Microsoft needs to stop saying and start doing for the sake of the Xbox brand.
Well Sony and Nintendo had much better presentations, so i agree
Ubisoft and Nintendo is more like it.
Sony definitly had a better showing than the smoke and mirror show at MS this year.
MS shows was nt bad in relation to what they showed , was bad in relation to the place they have now in sales and the appealing of Xone,. Xone fans were thirsty for games and their saliva for exclusives was drowning the the forums and sites .....if Sony and MS were changing places (MS 1st with its Xone and Sony 2nd with its PS4) ..Sony would have a rampage stampede of titles and the foor would be lava from hot exclusive titles in order to get the pole position again
You have to be SO detached from what gamers really want when you are the only console maker to show a new and highly awaited console and still be last for the show, these guys stopped caring long ago, they know they have theirs fans so they will just preach to the choir, zero extra effort
naruga, seriously? Most of those exclusives are indie games, not AAA
And even so Sony has more non-AAA games.
If they were in opposite positions I'd be jumping ship to Xbox. But they're not, so glad I jumped ship to PS4.
And I'd recommend that to anyone playing on 360/XB1 now that wants to upgrade- don't buy a XB1X, buy a PS4(Pro).
@Omnislash ...oh man .....*facepalm* we say the same thing ! ..i m bored to explain ....
There was no smoke and mirrors. You are making assumptions because you cannot handle the reality of MS slaughtering Sony this year. This was Sonys weakest E3 in 4-5 years. MS may not have had any exclusives but the exitement factor for the games they showed off was far greater than Sonys presentation, which consisted almost enitrely of VR titles and new trailers for games that were already shown at last years E3. The only thing of real worth that Sony showed this year was the HZD DLC. I literally almost fell asleep watching it.
Nintendo > Ubisoft > MS > Bethesda > Sony > EA. If it was not for the HZD DLC, even EA would have beat them.
@rpgsama, is it them though? (by them I'm assuming you mean Spencer and co. at xbox) I'm thinking it's more MS big wigs that don't see the profits they're used to coming from xbox so they want to shape xbox into a division that focuses on what has been proven to highest possible profit margin.
I mean making new games is risky, so depends on 3rd party
NA and UK buy out console the most, focus on them.
Halo/Forza/Gears sell well, keep pumping them out.
So I don't think Spencer and his team are as much to blame as people think.
*sigh* I just miss the xbox of 10-15 years ago. KOTOR, jade empire, Shenmue 2, alan wake, lost odyssey... I want to love xbox again, but MS just keeps pushing me away.
O no, darthv72 you as an Xboxfanboy you are deflecting and just cant exept that the PS conference was better than the Microsoft conference.
Everybody looks right trough you....
Sorry RA... i personally rank the shows like this. Nintendo, Ubisoft, Microsoft, Sony with EA last.
Sony was better at showing more of the same while MS was better at new stuff but Ubi and Nintendo outdid both.
Seems you cant handle difference of opinion. Everybody looks right through you too.
Besides the reveal of the XBOX and Anthem E3 was pretty underwhelming all around
I think it's obvious Phil Spencer is not a gamer and that's exactly the reason that he is way out of touch with what gamers actually want.
His arrogance in believing a powerful console would solve MS problems only fucked MS for the rest of this gen.
It's to late for new exclusive deals for games this gen, they will have to be for the next gen.
Just to bad MS fucked over all you loyal xbox fanboys. Hey... maybe MS will deliver next gen.
$500 and not true 4K doomed MS this E3. so many post-conference backpedaling, clarifications, excuses and justifications needed to be made
"His arrogance in believing a powerful console would solve MS problems"
That isn't what happened. Xbox fans asked for a powerful console, and he delivered. Good on Microsoft.
Show me anything before the rumors of Scorpio that anyone was asking for a new more powerful console. Especially a more powerful current gen console.
If Phil was a gamer and had gamers interest in mind, then he never would have canceled any new games.
MS still came last regardless.
None of them were that great IMO, Sony certainly didn't do as well as last year, so MS had a huge opportunity to come out swinging...but they didn't. Sony didn't really offer any surprises, but they brought great looking games, with real gameplay footage instead of sizzle reels. Whereas with MS, it seemed like they were trying to be deceptive, using clever wording to pass off games as "exclusive" when they really aren't. By far the biggest reaction they got from the crowd was for the ability to play 15 year old games. I would have thought they would have wanted an upcoming game to steal the show.
And the crazy thing is that I think Sony held back, Microsoft made the mistake of changing their conference to the day before, allowing Sony to have enough time to strategize, you know Sony didn't show everything when it's show was barely more than 60 minutes, they saved games for TGS, Paris Games Week and PSX.
Microsoft's was way better this time though.
In the words of Tenacious D:
"Yeah, that was awesome, compared to bullshit"
Lol "much better"? Nintendo sure but Sony's was just as bad honestly. Really everyone who presented at E3(except ubi and Nintendo) were the biggest losers this year.
Correct. Fanboys won't agree with you, but neutral unbiased gamers agree 100%.
It's crazy how much fanboys on this site worship these companies.
I don't agree. And I'm not a fanboy.
You opinionated people are worse than the fanboys.
If MS had the show to end all shows you would still agree.
Ubisoft and Nintendo had better conferences. Sony's conference was about the same as Microsoft. Pretty lackluster and not much content. Microsoft actually showed more games then Sony did and had a longer conference. Ubisoft was E3 in the end with Nintendo in 2nd. Both EA and Bethesda were the clear losers at E3 2017. Not sure what shows keengamer.com were watching. They are complete clueless if they think MS' conference was worse then EA or Bethesda's.
M$ did not slaughter Sony. Both conference were bad. Sony's seemed to be more boring from watching the huge crowd of fanboys who weren't clapping at anything they saw on the screen. Microsoft's conference lacked true exclusives and showed some timed exclusive Indies. The Xbox One X hardware was still the most talked about at the E3. Sony lost in that regard, but they probably still had more gamers at their booth playing their games. That's were M$ failed.
EXCLUSIIIIIVE! Oh wait, MS left out the key part of most of them being TIMED exclusives :D Typical subliminal messaging led by flip flop Phil.
According to you and the fanboys here yeah. But certain surveys had Xbox ahead of Sony for E3.
Yeah just like certain surveys had Sony ahead so whats your point
Games announced by Sony: 2.
A remaster and a multiplat.
The only thing the Xbox brand is good for me is Rare Replay
These 'journalists' need to make up their mind!
As I've said before, no one can actually 'win E3', it's all subjective.
I generally watch how the crowd reacts to the previews during that show. Sonys applause was very quiet for most of show and their was also two idiots bowing down to Sony the whole show.
Not true: http://www.dualshockers.com...
Umm You DO know that MS's audience are Microsoft employees right?? They are basically watching their boss give a speech. The show cant even be said to be live.
Sony's audience are majority journalists. They are there to take notes.
You got Sony mixed up with Microsoft again.
Sony had a big theater showing while MS had something smaller with the crowd closer.
This audience was weird tbh. Any gamer would be more excited than these looking like they were seeing Trump on stage.
@HarryPuttaar, You mean fans? Sony had fans in their conference too
Watch the WHOLE SHOW. The only 2 games the Sony crowd got excited about was God of War and Spiderman. That was it. They were all falling asleep during the PSVR game presentation. At the end of the show, no one got up immediately, as they were all waiting for some BIG Megaton surprise, which never came. I've been to Sony's E3 conferences about 8 times and this had to be one of their worse. Last year was better. Their PS Experience was better then both E3's.
Watch the crowd reaction when it's over - https://youtu.be/_fkdF7_mRU...
Have you ever been to an E3 or any of these conferences? You have no idea what you are talking about. There are journalist, social media, retailers, press, developers, publishers and business personal from all over the world at these conferences. I know, because I've been to a ton of them. I still have some of my badges. Don't speak of things you know nothing about.
I agree 100% Sony fans are delusional. I Watched both and the only thing Im interested in is gow
Edit: I am agreeing with you as I know what you meant by 'journalists'. Just agreeing.
I hate the whole winning thing, like you say, it's all subjective.
In my opinion, every conference was pretty dull because none of them had anything i really loved.
I think E3 has been pretty average for all companies this year, it's not surprising after though, this is the first average E3 we have had for a while now. I expect next year to be better.
I don't mind it. If that's what everyone wants to debate after the conferences it makes them bring their A game to the conferences. I guess I agree with you on the premise of it being subjective, it's maybe even a bit immature, but man I love the results of it, getting those big "HOLY COW!" announcements are worth it to me.
Not THESE JOURNALISTS... This is from the Sony side
Game of show was Mario Odyssey and Xbox presented best hardware and will get more of my money than the other 2 companies combined. Say what you want about the shows just how it worked out for me.
You're right. The XboxoneX with a game will cost you the same as a PS4 and a Switch combined I think. Throw in the potential of a price cut for PS4 slim and it could be cheaper 👍😁
Game of the show was a tie between Mario Odyssey and Ashen in my opinion
When you don't have exclusives, you lose. No incentive to buy. Simple as that.
Strange yet people STILL are buying....hmm
Fools are easily parted with their money I guess
@Discobastrd As a guy who more likely Paid $499 or $599 for a PS3 at Launch
For you maybe thank the gods that people have abilities to think for themselves and not heed the word of anyone individual.
agreed. The only thing that counts is the games you want to play and all the PR thing or press push is irrelevant.
You mean the WINNER.
Exactly. The winner at being the loser.
I dont get how people think ms had the worst e3. I think they showed the most new games AND a new console, with good presentation (people coming out to explain the game/talk about it a little). Majority of Sonys games that they showed were all shown last year, one of which was dlc for an already released game. And their presentation of their games seemed really bland to me, literally just a reel of game trailers. I never saw much of the other conferences so I cant really comment on them, but c'mon youd have to be blind to think ms had the worst of the big 3.
Because the games Sony showed looked amazing.
Ehh the only amazing one was god of war.
Sony showed alot of their own awesome games. Ms show mainly consisted of advertising games you can also play on ps4.
Microsoft's conference was mad bloated they should have cut it down by at least 15 minutes they showed way too much of assassin creed,sea of thieves and shadow of war. They tried to sell you a car mid conference and showed way too many indies for a e3 show oh and the 1x is cool but they talked about it too much with irrelevant information like what cooling it uses
Sony did great , and their AAA true exclusives looked hot!
- Uncharted The Lost Legacy
- Days Gone
- God of War
- Detroit Become Human
- Gran Turismo Sport
- Knack II
- Everybody's Golf
- Patapon Remastered
- Shadow of the Colossus
- Horizon Zero Dawn The Frozen Wilds - (DLC for one of the best games this year)
- The Inpatient - (Until Dawn devs)
- Bravo Team - (Until Dawn devs)
- 5 Playlink games - That's You, Hidden Agenda, Frantics , Singstar Celebration , Knowledge is Power
- Loco Roco 2 Remastered
And when you figure just how many games Microsoft showed that was coming to PS4 day and date or later , combined with all of PS4's 3rd party support that seems unlikely to make it to Xbone like Yakuza Kiwami , Ni No Kuni II , Yakuza 6 , etc ... it really puts things into perspective on the the 3rd party side of things.
And Microsoft s actual exclusives:
State of Decay 2
Sea of Thieves
Super Lucky’s Tale
Ori and the Will of the Whisps
That is NOT going to make me drop 500 on a new machine unfortunately
Off that list off play these:
Sea of Thieves
Ori and the Will of the Whisps
But none of them are so amazing that im excited for them
MS's was the most yawn inducing presentation in recent years
In disagree. I think they did good, it's just that they needed to do great. The big losers for me were EA and Bethesda. Bethesda primarily because of going for paid mods. I mean gtfo with that rubbish. EA, well, they did about as well as they normally do and that's just lackluster compared to everyone else.
Sony's was just as bad. Only 2 games excited their crowd. No one even seemed to care about the PSVR games.
Watch the PSVR presentation. Then watch the crowd's reaction after the PSVR stuff was shown. lol!!
You cant win here man, The people above will say it was weak because not all the game are not 100% exclusive the Xbox. But even if they were 100% exclusive, never before seen, blockbusters, the comments would be, "not my style". They are disappointed they dont have the most powerful console, and the fact they cant play sales.