Under the hood, an Xbox One X is a collection of PC hardware. We dig into current component prices to see if we can build a $500 system that matches (or beats) its performance.
This is really interesting. The vapor cooling system is missing from the list though. Wonder how much that piece costs.
The builds are also missing a WiFi card and that adds to the cost even more.
Another thing you have to consider you don't pay for online on PC that saves hundreds of dollars. You get great deals and mod support on PC. True native 4K 60fps on PC. It has more perks even though it's more expensive. PC actually have more exclusives than Xbox as well.
This topic is about specs for PC at the same price as the one x. The other stuff you talking about is irrelevant rn.
I think the XBO-X is a good piece of hardware for a console, but the reality is by the time it launches you will likely be able to get any of the following better values.
$199 PS4s / XBOs
$349 PS4 Pro
$500 Gaming PC with comparable specs to XBO-X
And all 4 are better values when it comes to price:performance.
The computer in this article is pretty much a PC Partpicker list, and that site while a good starting point is never the lowest price when stores like Newegg and Microcenter around. Come Black Friday all of those components will be cheaper especially last gen GPUs with Vega and Pascal coming out. So deals like a GTX 1060 6GB for $179 - $199 bundled with games is extremely likely. And that CPU / motherboard combo can be bought for less at Microcenter.
And there are components like a BluRay drive that are completely unnecessary for a PC where installs are king.
"Another thing you have to consider you don't pay for online on PC that saves hundreds of dollars."
People always mention you don't pay for online. But they forget you pay more for games. Due to the fact you need to buy digital and therefore can't buy used and sell used. In the end that makes you pay a LOT more for the same thing. You also can't borrow from friends or rent.
Just what I thought, it costs roughly double. The only thing here is it doesn't look like these computers were built and benchmarked. We know the XBOX can do 4K30 Gears 4 so we need people to start targeting that with the builds and see what happens.
"Due to the fact you need to buy digital and therefore can't buy used and sell used. In the end that makes you pay a LOT more for the same thing. You also can't borrow from friends or rent."
While i agree with you on not being able to buy used games or ever resell them. The rest isn't all too accurate. The fact that everything is digital actually helps games become cheaper faster than any digital store on the ps4 or xbox. And there are websites like G2A where you can get new games at a discounted price. Ive even gotten games pre-ordered on that site for 10 bucks off the day before its released.
Id also like to add that you are able to share games with friends on steam (to an extent of course). Its called family view and it allows your friends (after you authorize their computer and account) to play your games. Granted as long as you aren't playing a game online on steam.
As a PC gamer and a PS4 player, Its always been cheaper to game on my PC. This is my own opinion and experience.
Even when you get a new game for $10 online it is more than the price of buying and selling used games (discs). And that $10 price is not a normal situation as steam and gmg usually are much more in the first month of sale. In any given year you will save a lot of money buying and selling discs vs looking for digital sales. If you compare digital to digital of course you are right. But my comparison was not digital vs digital but digital vs used discs. Even when a game is under a month old you can save $10-$20 off of new price by buying used on amazon or eBay or local buy and sell. Then sell for the exact price you had paid. That cost of ownership can't be beat on pc.
"This topic is about specs for PC at the same price as the one x. The other stuff you talking about is irrelevant rn."
No it isn't. Do you buy a console and come home and sit it in the corner, never turning it on? No? Let me guess, you do not play multiplayer? Purchase of a PS4 or X1 must carry with it the consideration of monthly/yearly online costs for a minimum of 3 years. Longer if it is the beginning of the generation.
And also missing monitor, keyboard and mouse. add that too the cost as well
I'm waiting for the actual system breakdown when XBOX releases. Microsoft has a track record of being sneaky, and I still think most devs are going to target improvements other than resolution, because resolution isn't what gives a game most of its "wow" factor.
pc have a separate cpu and gpu so don't need vapor cooling to keep things cool even though some high-end gpus have them
One thing people forget is how the console is designed, most PC games actually just use one core on the CPU. The cores on game platforms are utilized a lot more efficiently. This means comparing each CPU is redundant. Games are getting better on the PC like Battlefield but as we move forward with Ryzen hopefully PC developers start utilzing the cores more.
Forget the specs. Get the PC running the games at the same performance for under $500 and I will skip the X1X and buy one instead.
CPU & Motherboard $110 http://www.microcenter.com/... FX 8320 + Asus M5A78L-M Plus
GPU $250: https://www.newegg.com/Prod... GTX 1060 6GB
HDD $40: https://www.newegg.com/Prod... Seagate 1 TB
Optical Drive: $15 (DVD) / $40 (Blu Ray) / $130 (4K BR same from article)
RAM $45: Same from the article
PSU $35: Same from the article
Case $35: Same from the article
OS $35: Same from the article
$565 / $590 / $680
For $565 you get a gaming PC right now that performs every bit as well if not better than the XBO-X, and come Black Friday while the XBO-X is launching at $500, those PC components will be even less.
1080p @ 4K performance (the beauty is if you want 60fps you can get it, you're not stuck at 4k @ 30fps)
Oh you mean the same way a i3 4130 and a gtx 750ti was outperforming the PS4 and X1 at alot of games early on for the longest time? Some of you people are such fools falling for anything your beloved corporate masters say. This $652 PC will already outperform a 1X in many games, WATCH! And you everybodies knows you can get Windows for free and you dont need the the bluray drive on the PC, its just a waste of money, so that saves another $75
AS:O is dynamic and CB 4k on both (so much for "true 4k", just another of MS's failed propaganda PR campaigns, like the cloud, DX12, ESRAM, etc). Metro Exodus wasnt even running on the 1X, GOW4, Crackdown & NFS are all just 30fps and so on, this thing is hardly more impressive than a Pro, only more expensive, a year later and less exclusives.
What on earrh are you talking about! thats some next level BS you're spouting. Show me one benchmark using a GTX1060 that can play Forza apex (basically Forza 6) at 4K 60fps Ultra locked?
you can't because there is none yet you're trying to convince others and mislead them into believing that what you're saying is fact. Not even a stock 1070 can keep a fully locked 60 at 4K Ultra on Forza Apex uless the card is overclocked with a good cooler but you're saying the 1060 will play Forza 7 in 4K, same graphical fidelity/settings as the 1X at a locked 60fps...? please STFU & GTFO obvious fruad
The 580 may be able to do it due to DX12/Vulcan, the newer AMD cards actully utilise the new API's fully at a hardware level unlike the nvidia cards that have to mostly brute force it and use softwer emulation to get the job done. This is why games that utilise these API's allow cards such as the 480 and 580 to punch above their weight when paired with a decent CPU and memory
Since you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about, and like Digital Foundry so much, here you go.
Yes an overclocked "GTX 970" (which performs on par with a standard clocked GTX 1060 or 980), is running Forza Horizon 3 in 4K @ 30fps locked High settings and Forza 6 APex 4K @ 60fps locked High settings.
Now an overclocked GTX 1060 is pushing into the same performance realm as a standard clocked GTX 1070 or 980 ti, which can run both games in 4K @ 30fps Ultra settings and 4K @ 60fps Ultra settings.
And as you also provided a RX 580 is also another option for that same PC.
HDMI 2.1 is missing too
I really recommend many to check out jermgaming, he built a $500 rig that can go toe to toe with the Pro and Xbox One X just fine and hit 4K with similar compromises on some games as these Mid-Gen upgraded Consoles do.
You'd be surprised.
The form factor on those things though are huge. Not putting that near my tv.
Havnt watched the full vid, but pretty sure he didnt include license fees for the os, as well as perfectly comperable hardware cpmpatibilities.
Despite the thumbs down, I'm not trying to pick on Consoles nor is jermgaming. We are perfectly fine with both markets, console and PC, being available to the consumer and coexisting. Tastes and preferences differ from us all. Now jermgaming just wants to show anyone who checks out his channel that for the price of a budget build in the $500 range can provide results similar to the console counterparts with either similar results or better. A thumbs down is a head scratcher to me for my last comment. I own Consoles, handhelds, and a good PC, I simply play games, not the devices themselves [nor do I worship them]. That's why I can't stand Death and a few others fanboys here, they know little about these devices outside of what their dumb console war means to them.
They dont want to know the truth, they rather believe their own s**t.
The vapor cooler, the UHD drive, the wifi card... this isn't a PC with the same specs as the One X. Nor does it include a keyboard/mouse or an Xbox controller. Put the Assassin's Creed game shown at E3 on this PC vs it running on an Xbox One X and the Xbox would blow it out of the water.
Oh boy. @tinynuggins I hope you're being sarcastic. "Vapor Cooling" has been around a lot longer for PC's than the Xbox One X...This is a joke right?
You'd be lucky to hit 1080p on AAA titles on a $500 PC.
No, no you wouldn't. People are big on using TFLOPS as a buzzword without actually knowing what it means right? The build they list used a RX 580 which has... 6.2. About the same as the Xbone. Course they could save ~40 dollars with a 1060 or a good 70 if they picked up a used 970, which have similar performance.
@Princ- ??? 😂😂😂.
Are you serious? You will literally just said the exact same thing I said and then you attacked me?
"No you wouldn't"
Is exactly what I said for the exact same response did you seriously not read the original poster was and you just randomly replied to me without knowing whom I was talking to?
"No, no you wouldn't. People are big on using TFLOPS as a buzzword without actually knowing what it means right?"
I'm literally agreeing with you and literally started my sentence the same way in agreeance that no it would not be "lucky" because it is not a rare occurrence yet you don't even understand that the post was agreeing?
Look you guys need to stop with the shotgun post and jumping to ridiculous conclusions without understanding the context of what's being stated.
Relax. I agree, as to why I literally just said the same thing you did.
"No you wouldn't"
1080p for $500 is doable.
With everything at low settings with a stuttering frame rate, sure.
AMD and Nvidia market the 1060 and 480/580 as 1080p cards. That's what they're for. With very few exceptions, they will do 1080p at 60FPS with either high or ultra settings (or a combination of high and ultra settings)
The FACT that his comment has way more upvotes then downvotes really goes to show how people here don't know actual PC hardware and performance. Let alone what you can get for the price.
1080p is doable at less than $300 lol.
$1200 laptop owner, 6months old with 16GB of dd44 can't run Forza at 1080p 60fps.
However I didn't build it so there's that too
It is, but like many are saying, clearly settings must be changed to run that smoothly or at great quality.
I mean...sure you can game on low settings,but I Think many mean 1080p, high settings, 60fps minimum etc
I think many on here need to be more clear on what they mean, as you wouldn't buy a PC from someone that ONLY told you "It plays games at 1080p"
ie WHAT GAMES? Minecraft? lol ONLY 1080p? At what settings? If you'd ask those, then clearly I feel we all need more info given when stating what is doable and how.
doable? more like VERY doable! where have you fanboys been all these times? RX480, GTX1060 and the newer RX580 easily ace that 1080p60fps category. these are $250 range cards.
Yeah, you don't get to use a Laptop for comparison. Laptop CPUs and GPUs are garbage for gaming. They basically have to be or they'll run into major heat problems in such a confined space (not to mention destroy their battery life.)
Saying your $1200 laptop can't do 1080p and using that as your comparison for PCs in general is like saying your $60,000 Bently cant do 200mph so neither can that $60,000 Corvette. Well obviously it can't, it's not really supposed to.
The Witcher 3
Just Cause 3
Tom Clancy's The Division
Assassin's Creed Unity
Sniper Elite 4
Rise of the Tomb Raider
Forza Horizon 3
They all run a 60 FPS somewhere betwen medium and ultra settings, with the most intense areas in the most intense games dropping the average no lower than 45 fps.
It's also worth noting, console versions of games almost never run at ultra settings, usually running somewhere between medium and high, which you can see in any number of comparison videos between the PC and console versions on youtube.
(video proof of those game running on that system)
Also, as a side note, yes that will play games at 4k/30. I think they'd look better at 1080p or `1440p with higher settings and I think they'd play better at 60 FPS so that's probably not what I'd want to do, but it can. Feel the same way about the PS4 Pro and Xbone X to be honest, too many compromises necessary to get things running at 4k. Just look at the difference in quality in the shadows and enviromental textures/models between the 4k/30 and 1080/30 versions of Tomb Raider on the PS4 Pro to see why.
I have a 9800GTX. It's a 7 year old card. It can do 1080p.
Maybe not with all the bells and whistles, but you can probably find one for $30-50 if they even still have them out in the wild. It was only recently that the minimum requirements for games surpassed this card, and many new games still have lower requirements.
While I don't game much, I don't really have frame rate problems on the games I do play.
Bullshit. I had a SINGLE 290X in my system for a while (which you can get used for ~$150) and it could do even 4K just fine! Maybe not all setting maxed at 60fps, mind you, but I know I played the like of The Division at 4K with a mix of medium (mainly shadows)/high/max settings and kept a very solid and playable 30fps V-Synced.
So yeah, 1080p for $500? Definitely. 1440p at $500? For sure. 4K at $500? Possible.
Hell, even the likes of the coming on 6 year old AMD 7970 still keeps up at 1080p no problem:
Those are even cheaper than the 290/290X. So yeah, 1080p is doable just fine at $500.
That's a lie 1070 can't even do 4k
Here is a 970 doing 4k/30 in GTA 5
Here is an RX 480 playing DOOM at 4k/30
That's just incorrect. You obviously don't game on PC. This PC build in the article will run basically every modern AAA game at 4k, most probably at just around 30-40fps, but the less demanding ones can go up to 60 or more.
No you wouldn't. You can run 1080p on lots of PC's with AAA games, simply not at great frames, but I think I know what you mean.
actually yeah, at 60 fps mostly, and typically at high/ultra settings.
@Princ-this was the specific comment I was replying to
"You'd be lucky to hit 1080p on AAA titles on a $500 PC"
My comment is specifically saying that lots of PC at that price point can basically play a game at 1080p especially if you're essentially ignoring every other setting. Like all. Because of how modular PC is it is very difficult to make blanket statements like somebody would be "lucky" to get 1080p because 1080p varies based on user settings.
Yeah, I don't believe you. I've seen your comments in other places, and think you're backpedaling because I posted proof.
@prin-??? What do you mean backpedaling? I'm agreeing with your point I'm telling the comment that I'm commenting on that you wouldn't to be "lucky to" that is a normal thing to be able to run 1080p. On such a setup.
My comment is saying no you would not be lucky because it is not a rare thing reread what I'm saying to understand what I mean.
I'm actually agreeing with you I was never in any way shape or form disagreeing that such a thing was not possible.
I mean literally my next statement is you could run 1080p on lots of Triple A games.....
I own a gaming PC.
I think you greatly misunderstood what I was actually saying and I think you need to look at the original posters comment to get what I'm trying to say.
I'm basically disagreeing with the Rarity of systems being able to run 1080p your list does nothing but agree and confirm that 1080p is not a rare occurrence. ie it's not lucky.
I'm not saying no you wouldn't be able to I'm saying no you wanted to be "lucky"
I mean my other comment even explains to you what I'm even referring to by that comment.
Why would I say it's not feasible to do such a thing at 1080p only to go on to state that multiple games do that at 1080p?
"No you wouldn't" is referring to it being lucky ie it's not, it is the norm.
Once again just to clarify I 100% agree with you.
Read the original posters comment to actually piece together what is being stated because I think you're greatly reading that comment out of context.
Again.... I own a gaming PC my steam ID is Edmix_the_Shogun.
There's no reason to be combative especially when you actually read my comments specifically stating that it is not a rare thing.
I think you guys jump the gun on here way too much 😂😂😂
32 console plebs, 12 gamers that know facts.
The clear answer is no, you have to double the spec on PC to hit the target. You can can not optimize random PC parts put together to get the same result. Consoles are twice as efficent to realize the power on paper than PC's. The minimum GPU is GTX 1070 you need to add to your list..not even close to fit the budget. Stop this discussion already. Compared to anything else, the X1X has the best value in miles to deliver native 4K.
I know this isn't exactly on topic, but I still can't believe I got a used PS4 Pro for 270 dollars. PC fanboys can go on and on about building your own system, used parts, etc, but you can never get the same value for money out of PC gaming. Yes, a 2000 dollar PC will be better than aby console, obviously. But I mean shouldn't it be?
Cool story bro.
Not sure why you'd mention a $2000 pc when we're talking budget, $400 could make a pc far better than a PS4, and as has been said many times over, free online play, cheaper games and so forth, pc gaming *is* value for money.
Here is the list of parts this guy used to get a PC comparable with the PS4 Pro.
i5 750 overclocked to 3.7 ghz
Asus P7H55 LGA 1156 motherboard
8GB DDR3 memory
Gigabyte GTX 1060 6GB G1 Gaming
320GB Samsung Spinpoint HDD
Cooler Master Wavemaster Case
Arctic Alpine 11 GT cpu cooler
EVGA 430 watt PSU
Logitech KB+M combo
Windows 10 64-bit
So how much would that cost added up?
The Xbox One X is even more powerful. To get a game like the new Metro running as well as it will on the PC or even the new Assassins Creed cannot be done for $500, that is a fact. Anthem will also be very demanding game. Right now we don't know the final settings the Xbox One X will be using on each title, that is where Digital Foundry and other sources will help.
Not so much no.
https://pcpartpicker.com/li... 522 USD.
If you don't think a 1060 can do 4k/30, Digital Foundry has a series called 4k on a budget that is them doing 4k/30 on a 970, which is basically the same in terms of performance.
1. Where is Blu-Ray player?
2. Where is OS?
3. Where is another 4GB of RAM?
4. You comparing this big and ugly case with an X1X design? a Joke.
5. Do you have 320Gbs memory bus or only half of that? GTX 1060 much slower than Scorpio's GPU.
6. So much randomness. No Hovis for maximum efficiency. No integrated DX12 for better optimization etc.
7. No HDR support on PC monitor. Only the very latest models (a few).
1. A blu ray player isn't needed when your content is all digital, wonder why your console disks are so expensive?
2. Most people already have a 64-bit version of windows, but if you have to buy one it still comes out as cheaper than buying online for a year on console..
3. The RAM in the XOX is 12GB full stop, 3 for background processes and 9 for gaming.. thus that particular build is missing just 1GB of RAM
4. The case in the build could be substituted in many ways if it's not to your liking, the very small form factor of the XOX looks good, but could cause issues common in consoles..
5. despite being slower (not by half) it operates at a higher clock speed, and can be overclocked if necessary, such is an advantage of pc gaming- though i'd recommend an RX480/580
6. randomness? you realise parts for pc's are made with compatibility in mind? DX12/Vulkan support as an API is standard- it doesn't have to be "integrated" as it is a GPU function.
7. Buzzword as far as gaming visuals go, i feel like you know very little about PC building.. you can use a regular tv as you would with your console you know?.
that pc is great. the G4560 is amazing value for what it is, but i cannot see it being of much use few years down the line. when the time comes to upgrade that 1060 that G4560 will be bottlenecking.
It will manage what the Xbone X can manage. The g4560 is usually capable of maxing out the 1060, and the 1060 is about the same in terms of power as the Xbone X, so it should be able to replicate or surpass the Xbone X performance/visual quality in everything.
1: Don't need one. Basically everything, both games and movies, on PC is digital. You can like or dislike that as a feature, but it's true anyways. Also, if you haven't noticed, when you buy blue rays they tend to come with a slip of paper in the case. That's a code to stream/download the movie.
2: Linux is free, and you can get windows for like 10 bucks on ebay if you don't already have a copy.
3: Don't need it. It's only 1 gb short of the Xbone X and both the video card and ram can be overclocked to make up the difference.
4: I'm not judging my gaming hardware based on how it looks. It could be hot pink with hello kitty being screwed by sonic on it, that wouldn't have any impact on it's ability to play games. Worst case I just put it behind the TV so I can't see it.
5: No, actually, it's not. See, TFLOPS is a poor measure of performance between architectures, so using that to compare AMD hardware to Nvidia hardware doesn't work. The Xbone is using current AMD architecture. The RX 480 and RX 580 have about 6 TFLOPS, and because it's the same architecture it is roughly comparable to the Xbone. Well, while performance varies by game the 1060 is the rough equivilant of the RX 480 and RX 580, and it can be overclocked to generally match or exceed their performance. It's memory bandwith is lower, yes, but as was said it's clock speed is much higher, the result being it moves smaller amounts of data at a greater frequency compared to moving large amounts of data less frequently. As long as the total amount moved is the same, the net performance is usually similar.
6: You don't know what those things mean, please stop talking. Nvidia cards aren't having trouble with running DX12 or Vulkan games. The primary difference is that AMDs cards aren't fully using their power in DX11 because their DX 11 drivers suck, but they're good at DX 12 because devs have more control over what the video card is doing. Nvidia is good at both, and while AMD cards often (though far from always) see minor performance advantages over stock nvidia rivals in DX 12 and Vulkan, the 1060 can be overclocked to make up the difference, or even surpass AMD hardware.
7: You do know you can plug a PC into a TV right? My PC is under my TV as I type this.
This is spot on. You were even fairly generous with the case. I think the 4560 will likely outperform the jag cores as well.
I was thinking the exact same thing. I was like "WTF IS THIS?"
You can also go with this option, barely breaks $430, capable of 4K30/1080p60.
https://pcpartpicker.com/li... Windows 10 is free btw, the unregistered copy just has a weird watermark in the corner. You can buy a key for $30...
https://www.kinguin.net/cat... So $460 with taxes and shipping not included, which should be cheap.
Knocks out any console currently.
P.S. Anyone on PC will tell you for years now we've only been buying our games digitally, no disc drive is even needed, and the games are much cheaper than the consoles (sales, gray websites, etc.) Plus there is no fee for online on PC, so many here need to factor that cost in when it comes to buying the Xbox One X and PS4 Pro If you want to game online.
How does it only have 9gb ram? Does your Windows PC not have overhead and background tasks? You need 12gb to compare. And if the point is building a similar pc, you can't simply ignore a big piece of it because you can get around not needing it to suit the argument.
You really don't.
For one, the Xbone X also has overhead, only 9 of the 12gb are available to developers to use iirc.
For 2, The total ram on the PC I listed is 11GB. 8 is System ram, 3 is video ram. It's only 1 gb short, and because you can overclock both the ram and the video card you can easily increase memory bandwidth enough to make up for that 1 lost gb. Or you could get an RX 480 with 4gb of ram for roughly the same price.
1. Optional, I use one a decent amount but that is only $20 or so.
2. Get it for cheap or free
3. The RAM is shared between the GPU and the console itself. The 1060 he picked is 3 gigs dedicated to video which is plenty.
4. Cases can be changed and that is far from ugly. That is a poor point.
5. Do you even know what the hell that means or what that can benefit? It seems you are relying on buzzwords. I bet the 1060 is roughly the same power as what is in the Xbox X thanks to a poor processor and since it is AMD, real game performance will be the same as a 1060 despite it having the same Tflops as a GTX 1070.
6.You are really relying on buzzwords in this, hell DX12 really benefits a PC if anything.
7. Same goes for TV's, only the latest models, and you can use a TV.
Only the cpu overhead, which is why the consoles are able to get away with horrible processors.
I highly doubt it is equal to a GTX 1070, just cause it is equal in terms of Tflops. AMD's Fury x is roughly 8.5 Tflops of power vs the 6.5 Tflops of a GTX 1070, yet the 1070 outperforms it in games almost every time. Since the GPU in the Xbox X is a AMD GPU, I figure it is going to be roughly RX 480 performance.