Sony and Anti Consumerism?

Has Sony shot itself in the foot with blocking Cross Platform play? Are they being purposefully Anti-Consumer? We give our thoughts on the matter!

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shinoff2183279d ago

Wasnt sony at one time open to this and MS turned them down?

darthv72279d ago

I do believe so, and MS were fools then while Sony are fools now.

yeahokwhatever279d ago

MS saved 360 sales like Sony is saving some PS4 sales. Neither were foolish. Grow up.

dilbig5279d ago

They almost neck and neck when the talk was actually in the open. Neither would lose anything then but only one would lose now. Literally no reason other the fan service to start it this late in the gen.

Cupid_Viper_3279d ago (Edited 279d ago )

Lol, How dare Sony not support Microsoft's attempt at ruling the 'living room'!?!?!?

"We shipped at the same time and we’re in direct competition with the PS4. I’m not going to duck that. I want to win. I want to win this generation" August 2014
Phil Spencer: "Gaming Is Not a Race Between Two Consoles;" February 2017

What changed?!!?!

bradfh279d ago

not fools just business

S2Killinit279d ago (Edited 279d ago )

Why should Sony give up its instal base advantage by allowing MS to bully them into openning their doors? It wouldnt make business sense.

vickers500279d ago (Edited 279d ago )


Like selling cut content, online passes and microtransactions right? Those are just business too. Lets start defending those practices too, because BUSINESS.

Septic279d ago

Lmao. Reading the comments here, people are more for the investors rather than players.

"Giving up their install base"

Oh man...

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trooper_279d ago


Now when Sony turns them down, it's 'rawr rawr, Sony's anti consumer!'

Another article that reeks of idiocy.

gangsta_red279d ago

It was 'rawr rawr' back then as most rallied against MS and then lifted sony up on their shoulders and celebrated their 'it only does everything' slogan.

Now all of a sudden it doesn't matter, Sony doesn't need to do this, no one cares....what changed?

trooper_279d ago

I don't think it matters who was in charge. The fact remains that Microsoft turned it down before.

Manic2014279d ago

I think the difference this time is, Microsoft are actually doing something about cross play and are making moves with Minecraft and Rocket League.

gangsta_red279d ago


Perfect response.

"The fact remains that Microsoft turned it down before."

No, the fact is that sony isnt doing it now. MS is actually doing something that sony said they would be all for...what changed?

trooper_279d ago (Edited 279d ago )

I said 'what' because I couldn't understand a single thing you were babbling about.

As usual.

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I recall final fantasy 11 being cross play last gen. What games did MS turn down for cross play? I'm curious to know.

I-Hate-usernames279d ago

Final Fantasy XIV. That's why it's not released on xbox.

OtakuDJK1NG-Rory279d ago (Edited 279d ago )

Yes that was when Phil was not the Head of Xbox. Since Phil became the head of Xbox he has been open to change Xbox for the better and putting gamers and consumers first.

Rude-ro279d ago

Phil took over and they closed more studios, canceled more games, has offered less software, and is creating a rift between Xbox one and x just to say they have the most powerful.
He also said "more in house games" yet at e3 showed 5x the amount of third party games with deals and then says we do not want to keep content off of anther consoles.
Or his cloud talk?
Microsofts is trying to figure out a pr spin to get rid of the stigma of their monopolizing. That is it.

OtakuDJK1NG-Rory279d ago (Edited 279d ago )

And? Don't act like Sony didn't close numerous studios, cancelled games and creating a rift as well with PS4 and PS4 Pro.

No company is perfect. He human. Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft are bound to make mistake and do stupid thing.

something you people need to understand.

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JackStraw279d ago

Most of the people that are pretending to care about this don't even play Minecraft. It's funny.

gangsta_red279d ago

Really, you have these certain folks personal info? Do share.

trooper_279d ago (Edited 279d ago )

gangsta, do you play Minecraft?

rainslacker278d ago

I play MC from time to time. I don't care that much about cross play. Couldn't hurt I suppose, but game isn't ruined by not having it. My friends know how to get in touch with me if they want to talk. I've met new friends on systems that aren't cross play, and my friends IRL are still my friends. For the most part, despite not being a big MP gamer, I've never really had an issue that affected me in terms of how I play games, and I doubt this feature being available would change much for me.

Swiftfox279d ago

And if Microsoft or Nintendo took the lead from Sony their policy would switch again. From a business stand point it doesn't benefit Sony to open their doors to the other competitors with the lead they have. Opening their network would benefit Microsoft and Nintendo far more.

Sony want people to buy a Playstation. The don't want potential customers saying to themselves, "I can just get it on the Switch because I can still play with my friends no matter what." They want people to think, "If I want to play it with my friends, I have to buy it on Playstation."

It's more a consequence of Sony's lead than anything. Microsoft had the lead for a long time last gen and shared the stance Sony has now. You think it's a simple change of heart now they are down 2:1 in install base?

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CP_Company279d ago (Edited 279d ago )

oh,so when Sony tried many times to do a cross play and every time x$hit decline that,so it was ok :) but when Sony is doing that,then it is anti consumer? :) paid journalist trying to spin all the lies of m$ so hard :)

+,anti consumer is when you lie all your show,then after the show you "attack" sony with even more lies.
true 4k my asss,most of the games were dynamic or used checkerboard to do 4k,fecking 4k :)

AOXSquare279d ago

FYI... we're not paid. It's our opinion and a truthful one.

sactownlawyer916279d ago (Edited 279d ago )

So why don't you report that PS4 has far more crossplay games than Xbox does or will ever have? Including the second biggest mmo behind WOW, FFXIV. Why don't you report the reason sin ffxiv isn't on Xbox is because they wanted their own server and square said no? Because that doesn't fit your narrative right. Doesn't get you clicks?

moegooner88279d ago (Edited 279d ago )

" truthful " loooooool. Thanks, needed the laugh

one2thr279d ago

It happened with "Defiance", as well.

Microsoft won't let Sony players play against them," Rodberg said- Kotaku

From a MS spokesmen

"Xbox Live delivers the best entertainment experience unmatched by anyone else, with 35 million actively engaged members. We have a high level of expectation for our game developers to ensure that all Live experiences remain top notch. Because we can't guarantee this level of quality, or control the player experience on other consoles or gaming networks, we currently do not open our network to games that allow this cross-over capability"

That article was published in 2011.

Engadget stating same thing.

Zabatsu279d ago

'FakeGamingReviews' would suit you better.

AcidDvl279d ago (Edited 279d ago )

How arrogante does one need to be to claim that their opinion is the factual truth?

This is kindergarten level of debate skills.

Z501279d ago

What sactownlawyer916 said.

XabiDaChosenOne279d ago

The truth is not subjective unlike an opinion. Its either the truth or an opinion. Can't be both.

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OmnislashVer36279d ago

Yeah but S-E is not Sony. Sony said nothing on crossplay​ during gen 7.

I think both sides have been dumb but MS/Ninty deserve some credit for opening it up finally.

shinoff2183278d ago

MS are the ones who originally turned it down, they deserve nothing. They are only open to it now cause they are getting their asses handed to them. Same thing as to why they dont believe in the console wars now.

rainslacker278d ago

Sony allowed it in gen 7. What do they need to say? There was never a cross console play implementation, but that was likely because no one really pushed for it. Sony did however write an API to allow cross play with the PC. So they did do something.

TXIDarkAvenger279d ago

No one said it was ok then either.

Sharky231279d ago

I'm willing to bet that it all came down to a subscription to Xbox live. They didn't want people to have to pay Xbox for the service. Nobody will say but that what it was. Little things like that always happen in business. I don't think either is against it. They just couldn't come to an agreement.

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Sevir279d ago (Edited 279d ago )

Who really cares? Cross platform play is available on both platforms... Sony has done PC to PS4 cross platform play with SF5 and Rocket Leauge and the feature was NOT a game changer! You honestly didn't tell the difference between who was on PCc versus PS4. So this ruckus being called over minecraft is really the silliest thing ever. It's a novelty and not a damn thing to brag about. Your gaming experience is STILL the same online!

Anti consumerism? You opinionated elitists are reaching! 😂

vickers500279d ago

"Who really cares?"

Anybody who cares about online games should care.

It's not about Minecraft or Rocket League, it's about taking steps to eventually unify player pools, so that friends can play with each other regardless of what console they have. It's about extending the life of online games so they don't die out.

It's not a novelty feature when it can literally save an online games life. It's one of those features that when/if it ever gets implemented, it will become a necessary feature, similar to online play itself.

There is absolutely no reason to defend this, and anyone doing so is downright pathetic. The same type of people that defend cut content and microtransactions.

"But but what about microsoft, they did it back then and no one said anything"

Oh yes they did. People here gave them as much shit back then as Sony is receiving now, and rightfully so. But it's not about then, it's about NOW. And right NOW, Sony are the ones holding back gaming.

And it's not even for a good reason. It's because of the "stakeholders", as Jim Ryan admitted.

"For the players" my ASS. "ForTheStakeHolders" is more like it.

sactownlawyer916279d ago

So I guess you don't know as I have posted twice already, PlayStation has far more crossplay games than Xbox does or will ever have. Heck even obscure games like Poxnora have crossplay on PlayStation with PC. PlayStation is far more open to crossplay than Xbox. But that doesn't fit your narrative huh?

vickers500279d ago

"But thay doesn't fit your narrative huh?"

Okay, I'm just going to get this out of the way real quick: I'm not like the rest of the children on this website who argue about which console/company is better. I grew out of that immature crap. Even though I have historically been a playstation fan (I bought a ps3 day one, stuck through the ps3 hard times and don't regret it), I could give a crap about which is better, so don't get the idea that I'm some microsoft fan trying to paint playstation in a bad light.

So they have some crossplay titles with pc, so what? Microsoft does or will soon in the future too.

It's not a freaking contest, it doesn't matter who has more, nobody's keeping score.

The ball is in Sonys court right now. They're the ones currently in a situation to put an end to this petty rivalristic bs. They're the ones currently that could be the company to change gaming history and allow cross play. But because they're on top now, they've grown arrogant yet again (as all companies do, not just sony).

The difference is that before, I truly believed that if anyone were to break the cycle and move gaming forward a massive step, I thought that would be Sony. But no. They've proven they're every bit as bad as the MS of old. I really wish we had Jack Tretton back instead of this suit Shawn Layden. Jack actually cared about gaming and gamers.

But go ahead and continue to defend this completely stupid and indefensible decision. Go ahead with your "at least theyre not as bad as (x/y)" argument. That'll really help things.

I am so fcking sick of "sides" and "teams" these days. No matter sports, politics, ideas, cars, whatever, nobody is willing to criticize their own damn side for anything because they might somehow lose something.

You know it's okay to call out the shitty things your side might be doing and still remain on the team, right? I still consider myself on Sonys side, but that doesn't mean I can't or shouldn't call them out whenever they pull some bullcrap.

Sevir279d ago

And my comment is exactly about you and your enlist crap. This cross play thing is a NOVELTY and hardly game changing and it makes ZERO DIFFERENCE in the grand scheme of everything a company has a right to block a feature for what ever reason it feels is legitimate. I guarantee you playing minecraft with PC players or Switch will not impact your gameplay experience online. Console networks for games are unified on the platform they are released.

The only ones making a fuss are you whining twits on the internet who have nothing better to do with yourselves. It's foolish immature and hardly worth the effort! I guarantee not a single soul on PS4 is complaining they can't play minecraft or any other game online with another console. Non freaking issue

_-EDMIX-_279d ago


This is a non-issue.

They are free to not have a game run on their infrastructure if they feel something is off. Thats still their network.

trooper_279d ago (Edited 279d ago )

Sevir, you know common sense isn't allowed here!

Maxor279d ago

The huge irony of the gaming landscape is how MS and Sony flipped in terms of consumer policy. MS now have the most gamers friendly policies. Everything from mod support, multiplat crossplay and backward compat is now better on the MS side.

sactownlawyer916279d ago

And the games are still better on PlayStation which is the number 1 reason people buy consoles. You do know that PlayStation has far more crossplay games than Xbox right?

aconnellan279d ago

If they have so many than why is it an issue for them to do it with MS?

Microsoft and Sony both have crossplay games with PC, but only MS is crossplaying eith Nintendo, and when approached to do the same, Sony's saying no. That's all there is to it

rainslacker278d ago

Those are features, or in a broader sense of the topic, services. Having them or not is not pro or anti-consumer respectfully, and being consumer unfriendly isn't the same as simply not offering features or services that some people want.

You see, Sony is in no way obligated to offer these things, and as such, just because people want them, or in some cases feel entitled to them it means they aren't anti-consumer or unfriendly. Sony isn't stripping away your consumer rights. They aren't removing your rightfully purchased content from you. They aren't preventing you from playing exactly what you pay for. Argue with me on each of those points, and I'll tell you why your wrong.

It's not that Sony couldn't maybe do some more to give some love to the consumer by offering said features, but nowadays people greatly misrepresent what is considered anti-consumer or the new term-du-jour consumer unfriendly.

jairusmonillas279d ago

Another PaidGamingReviews.

Let's pretend PS4 doesn't allow crossplay with PC especially with tittles like SF5, FF14, etc.

aconnellan279d ago

Everyone knows they have it with PC - the issue is that, while Microsoft and Nintendo set it up between their systems, Sony says shit like "we have to check with our stakeholders" or "we have a duty to not expose the young players in PSN to other platforms"

What a load of shit

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