Tokyo 42 Dev: Xbox Scorpio May Not Necessarily Affect PC Gaming, 4K/60fps Not Out of The Question

Generally speaking, while the PC gaming market is always ahead technologically of gaming consoles, it does rely on consoles to make certain technology mainstream before that technology catches on on a wider basis within PC gaming as well. So of course, the impending release of the technologically super powerful Xbox Scorpio later this year raises the question of whether or not there will be any ripples felt in the PC gaming market as well.

[Gazondaily]

The BEAST won't really make ripples in the pc community at all but it's unmatched power will be felt in the console arena.

[Brave_Losers_Unite]

Please any Xbox fan explain this to me.

If I had a budget of around $500 to either buy a scorpio for say $499 or to buy a PC for the same price. Why should I buy a Scorpio over a PC if PC has access to steam which has well over 10,000 games in addition to almost all the games Scorpio already has?

Like who in their right mind would choose a more powerful system with no exclusives?

Its like having a BMW with no working AC, no wipers, no headlights, it just does some things like turning and driving with a powerful engine.

[Tko1111]

$500 will not get you an equivalent power of Scorpio on a pc. Pc is not optimized and even my 1080 has issues some times because of drivers etc. Last but not least Xbox playanywhere is the best thing since slice bread

[Gazondaily]

If you can get a gaming PC thats on par with Scorpio for that price AND you prefer gaming on PC then go for it.

Many people prefer gaming on consoles. What's so hard for you to get about that ?

[ShottyatLaw]

I'd encourage you to go buy that $500 PC and report back to us on what you learned.

[KingKionic]

You cant buy a budget PC that could play games at the same performance as Scorpio for $500

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Scorpio will offer a great price to performance ratio in comparison to PC.

[Kingthrash360]

Can't wait for E3.
Scorpio is a beast with no fangs.
It will be comedy if it launches for 599.99 beast console, beast price minimal games

[Liqu1d]

Lol Dealer Gaming automatically renders that youtube video invalid. He is a known fanboy that hangs around with the likes of CrapGamer and spreads misinformation and lies. Even the comments are debunking that overpriced build. Kionic proving he knows nothing about tech again.

[MegamanXXX]

@Tko111

That's interesting. I'm not having no issues with my gtx 1070. You're right most games is not optimize but that comes down to the developers. You said in a different article "As an Xbox gamer all I want is for more 1st party devs and for 343 to make new IPS"
You have a powerful GPU (GTX 1080) and PC has more exclusives than the Xbox one and you can play all your Xbox games even their new IPS on PC right? The steam library alone has more exclusive games than the Xbox one am I wrong?

@King
I have a friend that works for Microsoft Xbox division and he said the price will be $550. Remember I said this you can bookmark it as well. 500-550 is right around what most insiders have predicted. It's really not that bad considering what's inside the console itself. It's also not meant to be a system that everyone will purchase and Microsoft has said as much.

[Lennoxb63]

Lol. Yea a $500 graphics card will wipe the floor with the Scorpio. But an entire PC costing that much is a joke. Have fun playing games like Ori or Inside at medium settings.

"Like who in their right mind would choose a more powerful system with no exclusives?"

I would love to see you try to play Xbox's premier games on a $500 PC. lol

[freshslicepizza]

If anyone can prove they can play Forza Horizon 3 with at least medium settings in 4K at a decent frame rate (steady 30fps) on a $500 Windows PC show us.

...crickets

[LexHazard79]

I'd get a Scorpio because I play on consoles. Also games are usually better optimized(depends on devs)on consoles.

[MrDead]

@Brave_Losers_Unite

I find it funny that your question was about games and no one answered that question.

[freshslicepizza]

@MrDead
"I find it funny that your question was about games and no one answered that question."

You mean the question that started with a comparable $500 PC? There really was no need to answer such a ridiculous statement in the first place. A game console is a closed box that is much more efficient and cheaper than a comparable PC and the fact that so many people buy PC games on the PS4 kind of explains why many still prefer consoles.

The beauty in all of this is Microsoft is allowing its games to be offered on a cheaper Xbox One S, or a high end console (Scorpio) or the PC. When all console gamers convert to the PC and play all of their multiplat titles on it and just use those game consoles for its exclusives then you can come back and give us hypotheticals that actually have merit to it and why Scorpio is not needed.

[slate91]

Go build a $500 pc. You will be able to play games on low/medium settings. If you're a casual gamer, then it's right up your alley.

[bolimekurac]

but it does have exclusives since windows 10 and xbox one are essentially the samee eco system but keep trying to spin it, we love the lauughs

[Bigpappy]

Ok Brave. The answer is: you can't buy a PC for $400 that includes a video card capable of 4K output. That's what the fools who keep screaming "can't beat PC don't tell you.

Not every PC is a gaming PC. Gaming PC's aren't cheap!

[ziggurcat]

@brave: I personally don't game on PC, that's why I'd get the Scorpio.

[Bobafret]

Because a $500 gaming PC is a flat out lie?

[Nathan_Hale53]

Tko1111 you don't own a 1080 sorry. I really don't believe you at all. I have a 1070 and have not has a single driver issue in any way. The un-optimized PC BS is exactly that complete BS.

Brave_Loser, PC is superior for abit more. You get every Xbox game, Steam, and you can actually, you know, use it more for multi-tasking programs and such, but people are mainly fanboying over it the Scorpio. Another sad thing, MS made a weak initial console in the first place and it will hold back the Scorpio.

Plus gaming on Console and PC is the same thing once you pass the desktop. Except you get a choice with controller or Keyboard/mouse and you actually get good sales.

People can dislike all you want, but it is true. You can build a PC with the same power for a bit more ($550) but you get a lot more features, and honestly the only console not worth having is the Xbox after Microsoft screwed themselves making their main games on PC. I have very little issues with gaming on PC and have had roughly more issues on my PS4 in the shorter time I had it and I'd consider it extremely reliable.

[jonivtec]

Gtx 1070 equivalent gpu is alone 300$.....maybe 275 by the time the scorpio is out...im not sur about a cpu/mobo/ram for 200$ and be equivalent to what the scorpio is....anyway....im a pc gamer and i would pay 700 $ to get a solid pc instead of a 500 console anyday of the week.

[XanderZane]

Good luck trying to build a PC for $500 that will have the same power as the Scorpio. PC would never be as optimized as the Scorpio. The Scorpio/XB1 does have exclusives and more are coming. Can you play Halo 5, Sunset Overdrive, Crimson Dragon, D4, Forza Horizon 2 or Rare Replay on your PC? I didn't think so. Most PC games will be coming to the Scorpio or PS4 anyway. No need to spend $800+ on a gaming PC if you already own a PS4 & XB1.

[omegaheat]

Just give it a rest. You guys have been playing the same drum tune over and over. If you don't want an Xbox Scorpio, just move on. I can't see how people buying the Scorpio is any different than buying any other console. Were you as concerned about the PSVR? It cost more than a console, yet it can only work if you own the PS4 or PS4 Pro.

[rainslacker]

Go to Best Buys website and look up gaming PC's. Those $700-900 PC's with an equivalent GPU to Scorpio will be $500-700 on clearance come this holiday, if not that price on sale at some time before then. Their replacements will be $700-900 PC's with more powerful GPU's than Scorpio.

You'd be surprised what kind of prices you can get on ready built PC's if you are willing to wait it out, or shop around. Big box stores are rotating out their stock every 6-12 months as the manufactuerer comes out with new line of hardware.

No need to build one to save a few pennies here or there. Honestly, buying ready built can actually be cheaper if you aren't looking for specific hardware. Just have to be patient or be at the right price at the right time. To put it in perspective, I brought a laptop for $600 about 4 years ago which is faster than those $300 ready built general purpose computers you see now, because it was on clearance. But this happens with all ready built computers. If the big box stores don't sell them, you can find them even cheaper on ebay or warehouse deal type sites.

Not taking a side on if one should choose a PC or Scorpio in the overall discussion, just pointing out that the price of PC's drops pretty quick, and it is indeed possible to get comparable PC's at reasonable prices either when the consoles release, or very soon after.

[freshslicepizza]

@rainslacker
"Go to Best Buys website and look up gaming PC's. Those $700-900 PC's with an equivalent GPU to Scorpio will be $500-700 on clearance come this holiday, if not that price on sale at some time before then. Their replacements will be $700-900 PC's with more powerful GPU's than Scorpio."

Yeah sure, you learn that at tech school as well? It's hilarious seeing you guys trying to compare apples to apples here. We all know consoles run games much more efficiently. Like I said, not one person here can provide proof of Horizon 3 in 4K on a $500 Windows 10 PC. Not even on the low side of 30fps at medium settings which is likely what Scorpio will be running that game at the very least.

[LastCenturyRob]

As far as consoles go the Scorpio won't be a BMW..it will be a fully loaded Ferrari.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Why get a PS4?

[conanlifts]

Due to the optimisation that takes place on a console to be on a par or slightly ahead of scorpio you will require a gtx 1070. A very basic cpu and 1070 will cost the same as scorpio. So to answer your question the initial outlay is far cheaper on scorpio. The next advantage is that on pc while games are plentiful and often cheaper you can not resell them.Consoles allow people to resell their games, which is another big advantage.

[DAEMONIFEAR]

It will cost over $3000AUD to get close to Scorpio performance with unoptimised pc ports!!

I have NO idea where ignorance is learned to make people believe they can build a pc for $500 to get the same performance as scorpio! Lol

For $500 it would play maybe 720p medium settings at maybe 30fps LOL

*facepalms.....

[Cobra951]

Apples and oranges here. If you want a console, consider the Scorpio. If you want a gaming PC, the Scorpio won't do. Once you decide what you want, work out a budget. If you go the PC route, you can get surprisingly good performance between $600 and $800 US. If you want full-time 4K 60 fps, it will cost you more than that--today, that is, because PC performance-to-price ratio is always improving (and that right quick in recent times). The Scorpio may have the raw performance-for-money edge briefly when it launches, but don't be too sure about that. A lot can happen with tech by the end of the year. The big boys (Intel, Nvidia, AMD) are really trying to upstage each other right now.

DAEMONIFEAR, you need to go do some research and cure that ignorance.

[Cobra951]

Edit (addition) to previous comment (why the dumb new 15 minute rule?):

Lennoxb63, check out this $500 PC build. The target is 1080p 60 fps on modern 3D games (not 4K). If, like me, you have no interest in the waste of performance that is 4K, it will do you fine. Prices are always fluctuating too, so that CPU could go to an i5 and that GPU to a 1060 in a matter of months, within budget.
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[timotim]

Because a $500 PC won't play games anywhere near the level that Scorpio will. You would need at least an $800-1000 PC when you factor in the CPU, GPU, ram, power supply and coolant solution.

Then there's the fact Scorpio is a purposed built games machine so devs can design their games for and optimize them around Scorpio's spec since all Scorpios are the same.

[Eonjay]

Scorpio wont have enough time on top to really make a dent really. I mean it will be more powerful than the current offerings but for how long. Two years at most? Then what happens? Microsoft needs to use this time wisely to get their catalog up. And quite frankly, that is going to be their only saving grace when Sony eventually releases the PS5.

[Gazondaily]

When Sony release PS5 then Xbox could release an even more powerful console. Even 2 years is a decent amount of time. Potentially three years.

[bolimekurac]

and when sony releases the ps5 we will be waiting 2 to 3 years for the good ps5 exzclsuvies to come, its the same cycle over and over.

[its_JEFF]

This is what I really don't get... Why throw "power" around like that title won't switch hands?!?! If there are no longer any generations and these consoles are now on a 2/2.5 year cycle... why brag and flaunt around? I guess being able to do that for 2 years is fine? Then hide for a couple years till your "champion" is on top again, in terms of power... just sad.

It honestly makes me scratch my head to see grow ass adults acting like children. I kinda hope that the Switch makes a good dent in the market, so that people wake up and realize that it's always been about the games... and really, if you're that concerned about "power" go build a PC.

@Septic So when when Xbox releases a more powerful console than the PS5, what do you think Sony will do? maybe release a more powerful one? maybe?

[XanderZane]

Then the Scorpio 2 gets released when, 6-12 months later. Microsoft has already said they are working on the next XBox after Scorpio. I doubt they are worried about the PS5. I'm sure they will wait and see what the PS5 has in it before they do their final specs for the Scorpio 2. It's not going to matter much.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

And MS will drop scorpio 2.

[its_JEFF]

if MS drops Scorpio 2... what do you think Sony will do? just stop? geez you guys make ridiculous arguments. I don't think you guys realize it'll just go around in a cycle... and that's why I don't get why "gamers" are trying to throw it into other "gamers" faces. I know why, it's for petty reason, it's for bragging rights.

[Gunstar75]

It might make some ripples if MS bring PC excuslives over to Xbox, which I'm kind of expecting

[Seafort]

Console gamers need to understand Microsoft only have control over their own games no one elses. They'll be no PC exclusives going to Xbox from other developers or publishers without their consent.

The only games shared by PC and Xbox are ones that are published by Microsoft. There are games on the Windows Store but the dev/pubs wanted them on there.

Microsoft do NOT own the PC platform. They supply the OS and that's it. They don't profit from it or own it like they do Xbox unless they publish the game for PC.

[shiva1]

@ Seafort

"The only games shared by PC and Xbox are ones that are published by Microsoft. There are games on the Windows Store but the dev/pubs wanted them on there."

Resident Evil 7 published by Capcom on xbox/pc as play anywhere. Dont tell me that they wanted it there... And yeah its the beginning... You will get to see more of this.

[Gunstar75]

@seafort
I understand how this works. I Just think M&S and Phil Spencer might look to partnering some big PC developers to bring some content over to Xbox.
World of Warcraft anyone?

[Artemidorus]

A beast with no teeth.

[DrumBeat]

If games are teeth, I agree.

[Raiden]

@Seafort

MS just are it easier for PC dev's release games on the Scorpio, without requesting publication, Scorpio ♏ x1s and of x1 are all windows base consoles so it won't be hard to translate these games, also you are forgetting how much the PC dev's would love to have a full access to the console market, console gaming is far more profitable than the PC. So PC dev's would welcome the Scorpio with open arms, but let's see what happens at E3.

[B1uBurneR]

One thing for sure is we might as well get used to the Scorpio being a lot closer to the pc version.

[Mystogan]

actually the beast is probably more powerful than 70% of the steam community.

[starchild]

Perhaps. But what percentage of console gamers will own the Scorpio in the next couple years?

[demonicale]

Anyone who down votes is either a fanboy of some other console or an idiot.

[Skillz1215]

Lol omg you sound ridiculous lol and you say your no fan boy?!?!? Lolol

[Gazondaily]

You wish you were was amazing as me 😎😚

[maybelovehate]

Even though I will still be playing games mostly on PC, I do plan to get Scorpio. I prefer their online system over anything currently on the PC. Don't get me wrong, I love Steam and Battlenet is great too, but they aren't as good as Xbox Live overall.

[KingKionic]

Gamingbolt you gotta stick to relevant developers. This developer said the following :

“I’d say that anything is possible, but currently Tokyo 42 is CPU-bound, so any extra RAM wouldn’t necessarily enable us to increase the frame rate to 60fps. That said, it’s untested so let’s see,” Sean said.

Tokyo 42`s game

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Scorpio should have no problem running that game at 4K 60 FPS.

Its not something as a developer that you would even try to argue you dont know.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Looks like utter shit

[XiNatsuDragnel]

Most likely, but 4k/60fpsing every game is really skeptical right there.

[LexHazard79]

You guys make it seem as though MS are the ones saying all these games will do 4K/60fps. Have already said a million times its upto devs. The only gaurantee was on their games and that was just 4K.

[cellfluid]

True 4k 60fps UNCOMPROMISED lol
https://youtu.be/IHjMF8d5yO...

[cellfluid]

I didn't know the price was announced for the Xbox scorpio to be 500. Where are these people getting these prices from? Can it be make believe realm? Lol

[Seafort]

There is no price announced it's all speculation at this point from Xbox fanboys hoping it isn't too expensive. Microsoft have always said Scorpio is a premium console so it will have a premium price. I'm expecting $600+ at launch.

We shall see at E3.

[Kiwi66]

The price of scorpio isn't just speculation from xbox fanboys its also speculation from others who hope it will be expensive

[ocelot07]

For $500 it will be a stretch for 1080p/60fps gaming. 720p/60fps sure but 1080p/60fps will be hard not impossible but hard.

If you add raise that budget to $650 or around that. Then you can grab your self a RX 580 8GB (6.1 tflops) or a 1060 6GB. Ryzen 5 1500x, Motherboard, 8GB DDR4 RAM, 1TB hard drive, 500w PSU, Mouse & Keyboard and maybe a Windows 10 licence key.

That would enable 1080p 60fps. Maybe even 1440p 60fps. I personally rather pay $650/$700 and get my self a decent PC that can do 60fps. Plus have access to not only Microsoft games like Forza and Gears. But also PC games via steam. As well as many emulators for older consoles. Much better mods for many many different games, Free online mp, ability to upgrade at any time I want ect.

That is just me though.

[Nintendo4Lifex]

First off I'll pass on emulators. I'm not a pirate. Secondly Steam can suck one with it's drm and it's over priced games unless their on sale. Keep flooding them and, see how lousy the sales will continue to get. Third, you have to buy through Microsoft store for those exclusives and we all know how much you pc gamers hate it. Fourth, Mods have hit console and, guarantee only more to come. Fifth, I'm not building a computer and, maintaining it. Sixth,don't care about upgrading. Why so I can become keeping up with the Jones's? And build a super rig to run Indies and, console ports?

[ocelot07]

Good for you.

I think a good amount of PC gamers are smart enough not to buy games straight from STEAM unless it's a sale. Lots simply go to legal key resellers. Having to buy via the Microsoft store is not the only option and nether is it the cheaper option. Again simply go to key resellers for MS store credit or games.

Mods of hit consoles. They sure have how many games exactly about 4?. Pretty sure Unreal Tournament for the PS3 about 10 years ago supported mods. They sure are coming at a quick pace. Compare that to the thousands of PC games that support mods.

Why would you want to keep up with a guy named Jones? It's not a competition.

[Nintendo4Lifex]

I can tell you're a kid if you don't understand keep up the Jonas expression. O so I have to wait for a sale? Don't have the time or the patience. Or I could walk into disk replay and get almost brand new games for 25-30 Any day of the week and ya know own the game. Also take the chance of that game becoming worth something one-day unlike digital only pc. O go to legit key sites like what G2A which is harming the very insudusry I love! Yeah pass on that yet again. When you pc elitists get it through your head not everyone cares about pc. It's why you had to add our controller support and, hooking up to a tv. Still will pass. Can spend 2000 grand and still get lousy ports like Dishonored 2 and, Gears. And, why I see pc gamers begging for console ports and when they do come you guys hype that it sold 124,000 copies. The pc community is a toxic mess filled with pirates, trolls, cheaters and, modders. Can play online and, never know if it was a legit win. And, when the day comes consoles end like pc elitists say it will be hardware in general because will be in a streaming age. So be it when that doomsday hits. So say bye bye to pc's as well. My phone and, tablet will be able to run same games as a 3000 dollar pc because will all be streamed.

[conanlifts]

The specs you quoted are lower than scorpio for more money. Think of it this way. The closest equivelant to ps4 is the 7850 gpu. Now look at what the ps4 can do compared to that. This is why digital foundry stated its closest match is a 1070. Plus your comparison has less Ram.
But of course if you prefer a pc it is a wise choice. Pc is also a wise choice if you want a digital catalogue.

[ocelot07]

True but even though I personally have a 4K TV. The only reason I play in 4K at the moment is because I have a 1080 ti which has been able to play a 4K 60FPS with every game I have thrown at it. But if I didn't then I would simply go for the $650 PC. Not because I have an agenda against Microsoft or Xbox. But I rather go with better FPS with all games with a much wider library of games. That spec list more than likely is capable of 4K gaming but not at 60FPS. I remember playing Forza 6 Apex in 4K at 60fps with a RX 480 (lower settings of course). So it's not impossible to play in 4K on that build.

So yer the cons of that PC is: At the start it won't be plug and play like an Xbox, 4K gaming is not impossible but only if you like 30FPS.

Pros: No online fees, Hundreds of thousands of PC games to choose from, Better mods, Better FPS, Better multiplatform games, Use a keyboard and mouse or a xbox or a ps4 controller, The list goes on.

If people prefer to go with consoles over PC am absolutely fine with that. Am just giving an opinion really . Also to show that you don't need a billion pound/dollar PC to have a good gaming experience PC.

[conanlifts]

Thats fair enough, my comment certainly wasn't a dig at your choice. I own both pc and consoles and even with my 970 i can play older games ( skyrim, dishonered, bioshock) in 4k, but not newer releases. For me i am trying to decide between a new gpu or scorpio. I would love to just use pc but most of my friends use an xbox so to play against them i still need a console unfortunately.

[ocelot07]

Didn't take any of your comment as any offence. Am a console gamer at heart. But when it comes to Xbox games I just think investing into a half decent pc and having the best of xbox and pc games on one platform is better value.

[ocelot07]

@Nintendo4Lifex Different country , different slang. No I don't know what keeping up the keeping up with the Jones's expression means and no just because I don't know what something means does not mean am a kid. Sometimes I wish I was a kid again but sadly am not.

I think you can take some notes from @sd11 look at his reply. He didn't agree with me. He didn't need to guess if I was a kid or not. He didn't have to bring brand PC gamers as "toxic" to help his argument. He simply disagreed and told me why I he likes console gaming.

You on the other hand branded the PC community as toxic, filled with pirates, trolls, cheaters. Why? Because I simply gave my opinion why I would prefer a $500 PC than an Xbox? I like how you went straight to G2A. You do realise for a while now a lot of PC gamers have known not to shop with G2A. Because all they do is act like a middle man and allow stolen keys to be sold. There is a lot of LEGAL key sellers on the internet. Which sell keys for much cheaper than Steam/Origin/IUplay ect.

Also I get the feeling you are banding me as an "PC Elitist". Which is far from the truth am a console gamer mostly. I prefer the PS4 and the Switch to PC gaming. But I do own a very good PC I get single player multiplatform games for it and MP games I know my friends won't buy on PS4.

Now that I have opened up about my platform of choice. Going by your outburst because I simply preferred a $500 PC to an Xbox. You are going to tell me why PS4 gamers are Toxic as well as Nintendo fans.

[Gunstar75]

Not everyone is interested in the bragging rights of "exclusives". Some people are all grown up and stuff.... but.....

Sony doesn't have an answer to Forza Horizon, or halo wars, or any "exclusive" that has multiplayer experiences close to Halo 5 or Gears 4.

MS doesn't have single player, story driven games that compare to HZD, bloodborne or Unchartered.

I prefer the Xbox offerings in this regard. Shoot me!

Or downvote me without commenting which is how most of you "fanflamers" roll

Lolz

[TheColbertinator]

@Gunstar

Just one thing that stood out to me as to Sony having an answer to Halo Wars 2.

To be honest I dont think it did anything specific or unique for anybody to raise an eyebrow. Far superior games exist on PC and I couldn't enjoy HW2 using the controller despite Creative Assembly's effort

Sony wont have an answer because Halo Wars 2 provides no question relevant to RTS games.

[Gunstar75]

I love halo wars and don't have a gaming PC

[Nintendo4Lifex]

That was legit. On top of survival with upcoming state of decay two. Or hell co op overall. Crackdown 3 and Sea of Thieves both co op games.

[rainslacker]

OK. But PS has marketing rights to all the major online MP games. That's obviously going to have an effect.

What you prefer is rather moot to the point of the general market, and I hate to break it to you, but SP games still ultimately outsell MP games. Not everyone is into MP.

It has nothing to do with being grown up, the fact remains that Sony does have a lot of high profile exclusives, while MS only has a couple, which outside Forza, aren't even expected to launch with the system. Whereas Sony is going to be showing and releasing some of their bigger game franchises this year, or possibly next. Whether it's MP or SP doesn't matter when you have games with huge fan bases, that traditionally do shift console units, and other games to catch people's attention. Forza doesn't catch people's attention as much as some of Sony's currently announced games, nor does it shift hardware or software units like GOW or GT can. CD3 and SoT are not going to build that hype any more than it already has, and if people were looking forward to those, then they've had years to pick up an X1.

So, people will play what interests them, just like you will. But in the end, Sony has more to look forward to based on what we know. Those interested in what MS has to offer probably already have an X1, or will buy a Scorpio when it releases.

[Gunstar75]

I was talking about games I like to play, not hype or sales.

[TheColbertinator]

@gunstar

I understand . For RTS though,keyboard and mouse is what put the Strategy in Real Time.

[Gunstar75]

If I had a pc..... 😊

[OC_MurphysLaw]

I don't think it affects the PC market on the surface really either...just like I don't see PS4 Pro impacting PC out of the shoot either. Both consoles in reality are offering on a smaller scale what PC already has which is some choices when it comes to resolution and frame rate. What it does do though is bring that flexibility in a meaningful way form the first time for consoles while keeping the basic simplicity of consoles intact. Long term consoles giving more PC like options and being more economical at first glance upfront (I fully understand there is long term cost savings to PC vs console) it could mean we see consoles continuing to garner most of the gaming mindshare.

[iistuii]

I'm sure Scorpio is going to be great for us PC gamers personally. I love Gears 4 & Forza Horizon 3 on my PC at 1440/60fps at max settings. I think Scorpio will help because FH3 has been playing up in the surfers paradise since the Nov release on PC & their answer was always " it's a 30fps engine made for Xbox" but ever since the mention of Scorpio getting FH3 it has been miraculously fixed & runs perfect everywhere & im sure the fact they are getting it ready for Scorpio had something to do with it, meaning ported games will be more optimized for 60fps hopefully.

[jasonpugh]

Can people please quit calling the Scorpio "Beast". It sounds ridiculous.

[KingKionic]

"Its a Monster"

Better?

[jasonpugh]

No, it's still retarded. Something better will always come along so if it's a beast now what will the next thing be called? Just quit cause it all sounds dumb and so do you for buying into it.

[ThePresentIsAgift]

I was enjoying PC gaming, thinking it had turned the page, I am running a 4ghz i73770, 20GB DDR3 ram and an 8GB AMD RX 480 Nitro on Windows 10 64 bit, 1TB Western Digital Green. Smashing games at 1080p 60 ultra, 1440p and beyond, then I purchased Wolfenstein The New Order...JESUS what a wreck and given the games PC heritage I am truly gutted, fantastic game when it works which is not often. Texture pop in like nobodies business irrespective of settings used, no AA options, average textures at best even on ultra, V sync is game breaking, will not run at all outside of Win7 compat mode. I've seen it running flawlessly too with better graphics on the vanilla X1 as well WTF. Why is this still happening to PC games???!!!

[Kavorklestein]

Because raw "power" is only as good as the studios who are FORCED/ENTICED/WANT to do their best with that power.

In my opinion, MS and SONY will always offer the best bang for your buck when it comes to balancing cost, power, software libraries, and potential fun... Consoles are some of the best ways to play, and always will be.

If you ask me just about Any console is better than PC in regards to balance...if you are rich, or money Isn't a factor for you, then PC all the way... if wasting time trying to fix bugs or glitches with .dll files, .bat files, or editing lines of code is your thing, then great! Have fun with that! You also get to customize your GFX settings which is a huge plus, but hey, I'm really not here to bash, Nothing wrong with having a preference! Nothing wrong with having a bossin PC that has other advantages over console either! Like PC is great for work or school or misc. programs or music production, art etc...

For me tho, and just about every other group of basic humans with budgets and full time jobs... console
gaming is the Jack of all trades- best all around value for gaming... especially when you know it was DESIGNED by geniuses who WANT to squeeze as much library/value/performance out of your 250-500 bucks, and you only need to upgrade every couple-to-several years.

Now, in MY opinion, Xbox as a platform in particular is making strides, in being a great place to enjoy PAST games, and it's great because nostalgia and replayability adds to the legacy/history of the xbox brand and platform... it's more accessible now than ever, and in some cases more special experiences are being had AND remembered, as screenshots and game clips are built in via Backwards compatibility, and the size of that jackpot feeling is constantly growing... with free/10$ a month/live subscription games being offered each month. Play anywhere is awesome, Looking for group is fantastic and clubs are great too! Xbox deserves more credit than the naysayers say...

Scorpio is GOING to be the best console on the block for performance.
If what MS has said is true about upscaling/enhancing existing XB1 titles and BC titles, then it's a win-win-win-win... and the ONLY remaining struggle it will face is 1st/3rd party exclusives having Mass Market appeal... an Issue XB1 already has.. (in large part due to losers working OVERTIME to make everything MS does or tries to do, look like Satan raped their sister/mom and made them pay for the condoms)
To be honest if people could just let the games and systems speak for themselves, the discussions would be better and we would see ALOT more games and devs getting the attention they deserve.

Did I bash anyone's console or platform of preference?
Nope.
Just expressed MY preference and how I happen to feel about Xbox being great... and that I feel consoles are typically
a better all around value for gaming.. in MY opinion.
Game on!

Here's hoping MS gets more 1st and/or 3rd party AAA / Exclusives because they do actually struggle with that quite a bit... but,
Even still, XBOX all the way for this gamer.
No hate or shade meant on anyone else's stuff for reals.

[ThePresentIsAgift]

I had an X1 before and loved it, a change in my circumstances forced it's sale. By the time things changed again for the better I'd scraped together most of the pc and it was cheaper to just buy the last parts over an XB1. After wolfenstein and numerous other pc games issue's I'll probably now buy an XB1 S and take advantage of Microsoft's new game rental service.

[ThePresentIsAgift]

I just purchased Forza Horizon 3 and Gears of War 4 for PC and they run so well (DX12 seems to be good) that I am definitely not feeling my money was wasted on pc hardware now, The Division is pretty sweet too. The keys for the games were certainly cheaper on ebay then an Xbox1 and with free online play-so for now that plan (console) is on hold naturally I am playing them using an XB1 controller lol. I even found a way of bullying Wolfenstein TNO into mostly working like it should.

[Kavorklestein]

Good! I'm glad gears and forza run well for you.
Also good to hear you figured out a way to mostly get Wolfenstein working.
I remember a few years back I had an issue getting battlefield 3 to work right on my PC, I had to replace one of the default .dll files with a .dll file from a cracked Russian version of the game lol I basically had to use the Pirate Bay to make a game I purchased off of Steam work well on my computer and this was back when gtx 770's and 780's were some of the top cards out at the time. I had a gtx 760ti and never overclocked it, it usually worked pretty well on most games, but after having to wait for and implement a fix and basically wait a month till after I bought the game, it pretty much ruined my hopes for using PC as a main device.
I've had plenty of friends hit Roadblocks that are similar to mine with other hardware or different games.
I just simply moved on to a simpler, plug and play experience after that, and went back to console gaming.

I can see the value no matter what someone plays on.

Everyone has got their own circumstances and own perspective and levels of enjoyment and value.
How you liking Gears of War 4? I just picked it up like a week ago lol

[dcbronco]

I think some of those PC gamers that still play games at 720p on Steam might look at Scorpio as a viable option. With mouse and keyboard coming and the ease of UWP to push PC games to Xbox we should see some migration towards Xbox. If Microsoft is willing to go back to the old model of taking early loses and launches at $399 and announces a few big PC exclusives for Scorpio it would start some movement.

If you're still at 720p $400 GPUs isn't your thing. But if you can bump up to 4k/60 for $399 complete, many will bite. Microsoft should also sell a version with mouse and keyboard instead of a controller.

I'm expecting Microsoft to announce Play Anywhere will start going both ways at E3. One other thing to really push Scorpio would be adding an option for Office to Live. That would make Scorpio a 4K gaming machine with the ability to type out your homework too. It'll be less than $500 to make so they can make up the initial losses on volume sales. It will sell extremely well if it plays as advertised.

[XxINFERNUSxX]

Sorry I'm just way more interested in AMD's new Ryzen Thread ripper CPU's. 16c/32t. This affecting PC gaming, for myself does not even phase me :D But I will say this, yes it's the most powerful console ever so far.

[marquisray]

We all know if this was Sony talking about power 4k etc all the Sony fans would be rubbing this in xbox fans faces