Expeditions: Viking's expert mix of mysticism, exploration and authenticity leads to an engaging history lesson, and the combat and game mechanisms provide depth and replayability that we can see lasting an entire Summer. It’s a game worthy of the subject it hopes to teach us about.
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THQ Nordic has acquired the Expeditions intellectual property from Logic Artists, the company announced.
The acquisition deal comprises of Expeditions: Conquistador, Expeditions: Viking, and their respective downloadable contents. Furthermore, Logic Artists and THQ Nordic have agreed to begin development on a third game in the Expeditions universe.
we'll see, when I was a kid, anything they created was like disney creating anything. Best developer or was ever
Now acquire the WWE franchise back from 2K. 2K is making a mockery out of the franchise.
Expeditions: Viking has so far been confirmed only for the PC- and for a lot of developers, with a very specific development work flow or vision, it makes sense to stick with the PC, where the hardware is not fixed, and they can target higher end specifications.
Doesn't have to be GDDR. A PC with 8gb vram (GDDR) and 16+ system ram (DDR3/4) will still run rings around Scorpios 12gb (8 after OS) of (shared system AND vram) GDDR.
16 by performance standards is a bit too middle of the road for this type of discussion. But yes 16gb is amateur hour folks.
I know right? I got 128gig on my bigrig, anything less is gamer uncivilized /s
16gig is the status quo, quit being a snob
Total ram on my rig is 40gb of ram. The minimum gaming PC has at least 12gb of ram. Not going to make that much difference, if at all. Plus the Scorpio's CPU is going to hold it back.
Things that will be improved from Xbox One to Scorpio will be draw distance, resolution, FPS, lighting and shadows and most games will not have all the improvements at once especially if they go with true 4K resolution which is a resource hog, any honest PC gaming would tell you that the scorpio is a pricey upgrade that probably doesn't go far enough to compete with a mid range PC let alone an enthusiast gaming rig.
The Scorpio will be a great console just don't expect miracles.
Because its shared your vram is what will be increased not system ram. consoles are apus our pcs are not so systerm memory wont be as effected as vram i should know i got 780tis with three gb of vram because consoles decided to up vram allocation to 6gb. so basically scorpio having 12gb is going to increase vram from 4-6gb average to 8-10gb. before the newest consoles 3gb vram sli was fine for pc gaming on ultra consoles came out with 5.5-6gb vram and now 1080p games like gta 5/ shadow of mordor/ watchdogs etc on ultra are taking over 6gb of vram games. so to sum it up you need to be asking yourself what is my vram not system memorybecause that is what is going to increase on pc.
A high end PC game today at 4K can use about 6GB of video memory. Scorpio won't likely use any more, because even though it has 12GB only 8GB is available to developers. It has a lot reserved for the OS and multitasking naturally.
Developers still need to use some of that 8GB as system memory too, so it'll be limited to 5, maybe 6GB of memory tops as video memory.
In short as long as you have a graphics card with 6GB of video memory not much will change too soon because of Scorpio. Inevitably memory requirements will climb, but it is only when consoles take a huge step between generations and available RAM goes up tenfold do you see a sudden step in PC requirements.
In the meantime even midrange PC graphics cards now have at least 6GB of memory like the GTX1060. If you buy an RX480/580 then you should also be going for the 8GB versions which aren't hugely expensive. This should be a minimum for anyone serious about playing high end PC games.
some 1080p games on ultra with max AA already use close to 8gb of vram supersampling technique for 1080p isnt cheap on resorces. also if you havent noticed console games make pc ports lazy on most multiplats. so when it comes to consoles devs use as much vram as they can even if they dont need to, than they port to pc with the same lazy assets.the moment ps4 and xbone came out pc vram requirements magically jumped passed 3gb (man i got screwed on the 780ti classys, highly regret not going with 6gb titans. ) not guarenteeing it with scorpio but just saying be prepared even on 1080p to possibly see vram requirements to skyrocket once scorpio gains multiplat traction.
The same beast that MS have yet to announce a single game to take advantage of the hardware?
So you'll be able to play the existing Xbone library upscaled to a slightly better resolution, nice one. If you honestly had cared about tech at any point before this you would have built your own PC... Which y'know, can already play the majority of the Xbone library at a better resolution already.
Well Microsoft already gave us a screenshot of forza showing it on scorpio.
People who play on xbox already have a libary filled with games they purchased. So all of those games will be enhanced when they buy a scorpio from the start.
You would need to rebuy all those games on PC before even thinking about building a PC.
"People who play on xbox already have a library filled with games they purchased"
Oh, so they already own an existing console to play their existing game library. What a worthwhile purchase of a new system: to play the games they not already own but can already play on their existing console.
I don't know how old you are or how fiscally independent you are but that is probably the biggest waste of money I've ever heard. You can already play these games, you are literally justifying spending several hundred pounds/dollars/euros to make them slightly prettier.
At which point, takes my back to my original argument. If you had cared about graphics in the first place you would have gotten a PC. At least then you factor in additional benefits such as an extended game library, better digital software value and a far more multifunctional system.
@kionicwarlord
You think all the devs are going to release patches for Scorpio for all their old games? That's not gonna happen, sadly...
PS. the reason you just gave for Xbox One owners not going to PC is also the reason PC and PS4 owners have, to not switch to Scorpio 😉
Your excuse or argument is a bit ignorant seeing as how the same can be said about the ps4 pro...you assume that everyone wants or should get a PC that can do it all but there are consumers like myself that prefers to pop in a game and not fiddle with configurations of any kind. Moreso simply game on their tv...upgraded consoles are simply options for people that want something better to play in front of their TV. Plug and play convenience.
Another out of touch gamer. No you cant play the majority of Xbox One games on PC. Where did you get that info? Even going forward not all Xbox games will be on PC. Nice try tho...
And to those who wanna disagree, well prove me wrong. List every Xbox One game on PC.
And if they had built a PC, they could go spend hundreds to upgrade that PC just so they could run the games in their existing Steam library at higher settings. Same thing many of us have done for years.
You want to project your BS on those gamers, too? Why stop there?!? My new TV plays the same movies and shows that my last set did. Damn! Why did I waste money on this!
I like how many of these comments assume I own a PS4 Pro. Which I do not, I think that is equally a waste of money.
That being said, at the very least there's a large variety of exclusives on Sony systems you'll not be able to pick up on PC. Granted that warrants a purchase of a standard console and not the Pro variant, however with an Xbox a lot of these titles are already on PC.
If you honestly want better graphics and the majority of the Xbox library then it makes more sense as a consumer to just get a PC.
@$norts, I'm a Xbox gamer lets say i have PC. Ryzen 1700&RX480 New MB & Ram . Add up the cost.
If the Scorpio is cheaper by $150 and devs are going to target that specs directly, head on building from the top down. Trickle down developing? And this article is talking about Scorpio pushing pc gaming forward.
Why would anyone with an existing xbox library migrate to pc?
Snez,
"If you honestly had cared about tech at any point before this you would have built your own PC... "
- You couldn't be more wrong, I love tech, I gamed on pc for a few years but after awhile I slowly went back to consoles only. I guess cause I work on a PC, so pc gaming started to feel like work, with a console I don't fix settings from game to game, I got my big screen and everything just works out of the box, I know what I get with a console and millions like me think consoles are the best place to play as their is a unified community with the same hardware, same issues, same games. Not bragging but I could easily afford the latest pc in every room of my house, nope I don't want it. I got 4K Tv's now and I'm getting a Scorpio...I don't know why excitement for Scorpio seems to upset people who don't care about Scorpio so much???
@Snez,
I own an Xbox as well as a very capable gaming PC. Where can I get the majority of Xbox games to play on my PC. I would absolutely want access to my Xbox library on my PC if it were available.
Wow! Look at all the disagrees I got! I said something that wasn't glowing about Scorpio! And people say this site is riddled with only Sony fans, hilarious!
It's even more funny when what I said is true! Not ALL games will get a Scorpio patch, devs do not want to put time into that, if you believe they will you live in a fantasy world. The other part is about people not wanting to switch due to their existing library of games, well, if an Xbox owner doesn't want to give up their games library why on earth would anyone else want to do the same? They won't for the most part...
I can see people adding a Scorpio next to other consoles and PC but not as a complete replacement...
@Aenea,
People aren't disagreeing because they are biased, they are disagreeing because you don't understand how the hardware will improve games without patching games. It will work like PC where you upgrade your GPU and don't need patches to take advantage of it.
Maybe developers should learn about hardware optimisation and file compression instead of relying on better technology. Requirements and file sizes are already unnecessarily bloated for most AAA games.
Kind of hard to optimize for infinite combinations of hardware.
This is why "underpowered" consoles can put out better looking games.
There are plenty of studios that can and have made very highly optimised PC versions. Phantom Pain, GTA5 etc. Sadly by and large most just do lazy ars e ports
I do hope however with both the consoles being x86 based and both now having multiple hardware versions that this might improve, but I wont hold my breath
I didn't say it wasn't possible. Just that it was hard. Extremely hard compared to console.
We already do compress the shit out of everything we can that goes into a game in most cases. AAA games have thousands upon thousands of textures, animations, sound files, video files, compiled programs and other pre-computed data that all need to be accessed as quick as possible from disc or harddrive so most of this stuff can't be decompressed much at run-time.
30-60 GB is going to be pretty standard file size for most AAA games going forward while outliers will hit 100+ GB.
That's nonsense. Scorpio will be a niche console, comparatively at least. A console that sells a fraction of the original X1 is not going to influence anything. What's more, anyone who says consoles are holding back PCs, don't understand economics. PC gaming isn't being held back by consoles. That's like saying "Ferrari is being held back by Toyota."
Consoles are a product of consumer demand, not the other way around. Consoles are popular because they hit the sweet spot of what the average consumer wants when looking for a gaming platform. They want good hardware at a good price. Like it or not, "bleeding edge" PC hardware is a niche market. Most PC gamers have something comparable to consoles (not a coincidence, refer back to my "sweet spot" comment).
Many people seem to think that if consoles were to disappear tomorrow, that everyone who bought consoles would go out, spend 3 times as much, and buy a PC with a 1080 or a Titan. Of course this is nonsense, because it COMPLETELY discounts the fact that mainstream consumers care about price, value, and bang-for-buck more than they care about having "the best" hardware. Consoles are not holding back PC games, the value-mindedness of the average consumer is.
I doubt it, especially since the Scorpio is not the baseline. We already have mid range pcs with 8gb vram and 16gb+ system ram.
Regardless, 8GB of RAM has become a standard for years for PC gaming because most games recommend it(to some degree even 16GB). Scorpio will have 4GB partitioned so it wont make too much of a difference.
Most games rarely hit 6GB of VRAM at 1440p. I've seen games using less than 4GB with amazing texture quality and graphical effects. 16BGB of system ram with 8GB GPU should be more enough for the rest of the gen. Game would have to have no RAM optimization otherwise.
Can a 12GB of RAM magically create more exclusive(s) for Scorpio and developers would actually utilized it?
No but it certainly help with a ton of multiplat where top selling games are played.
90% of pcs can only dream of 4k
scorpio is bringing a sledgehammer to a straw party
Anyone with a 1070 or 1080 GPU can play at 4K. A couple 1080's in SLI approach 8K. My recent build has no issues with 4K gaming. The MB, ram, SSD's 7700K, GTX, PSU and water cooling system cost just under $2500 so I can't wait to see what Scorpio costs and how it compares. Granted you could put together a system with similar specs for about $1500, but I'm running my CPU at 5.2ghz stable which is pretty neat.
Steams hardware survey put the 970 as the most popular card. Roughly same power as ps4 pro. 1080 is 12th which would destroy either console
Such BS from the propaganda site that is Trollingbolt.
Won't effect PC at all, it's on another advanced level, already tweaking cards for 8K.
It's gaming engines it will effect, in simple terms companies like Ubisoft have zero excuses for providing older looking downgraded games.
Hopefully the only was its effected is positive with devs using better quality assets etc and upping their game... wont hold my breath tho
Not necessarily true. 5 years ago I bought an i5 2500k/MB/RAM/etc that I was using up until I got the upgrade bug a couple weeks ago. Build started with a mid tier card and then, a few years later, added a new GPU to the same core components. I could still very easily play 99% of all games maxed out at 1080p on that system. I really didn't need to upgrade yet but wanted a more travelable ITX setup (and, ya know, tech itch lol). But with consoles doing mid-gen upgrades now, it's not really all that much different.
I'm not throwing shade at any gaming platform (I like to game be it handheld, console, PC...even mobile), just saying you can plan out a solid build for a livable amount of money and really make it last.
You could upgrade every couple years if you felt the itch. I went close to 8 years before upgrading. It really depends on how much you invest initially and what your long term expectations are. I'll pick up a second 1080 to run in SLI and won't upgrade my new build for a very long time.
You have no clue whatsoever.
You build a base unit so case, board, cpu, ram, storage psu and gpu.
3 years later sell the gpu and upgrade, the rest if you've bought smartly will see you through 3 gpus.
There are people out there running clocked i5's/7's from 2011 that wouldn't bottleneck a 1080
And the games look better and care cheaper
Over that amount of time its both cheaper to game on PC and enjoy a abetter experience than console
Theres no talking to some people though
I bought an xbox one on day one.
The hardware, even though i paid day one price, is still cheaper than what you've just described.
It's a total myth PC gaming is cheaper. There are plenty of exclusives that the PC simply doesn't have aswell, it misses the very best games, and a chunk of cross platform games run like garbage on the PC due to the games not being developed properly.
Not to mention the fact that the online playerbase on blockbuster games are huge on consoles vs tiny on the PC.
Better consoles will undoubtedly impact PC's, by taking advantage of them better. This is a good thing.
I'll pop a couple sticks out and rerun pass mark when I get a chance. I suspect the difference between 16 and 32 gigs is negligible at best.
True about being negligible, but I like to kind of future proof it :D The time will come soon when 16GB will be recommended.
Nice to see the Scorpio getting a lot of RAM. May replace my gaming pc for FPS shooters to avoid hackers rampant on PC.
8gig video and 4 gig OS....Nothing to write a debate here...most mid range gpu these days have 8 gig video ram and pretty much every mid range pc have 16 for the OS...
Depends on what you call a midrange GPU. My MSI 1080GTX Gaming X has 8 gigs and cost $719. You can pick up the 1070 for a couple hundred less and still have 8 GB. Once you drop down in price from there you get half the RAM.
If Scorpio can come close to replicating a gaming PC with a 1070 for approx the cost of the GPU alone, I'd say you are getting a pretty good bargain.
The 8GB 480 is last years top of the line AMD card. I agree they are value priced, but AMD considers it "high end" with this years 590 being their best. Performance wise the 480 was pretty competitive with nvideas 970 which is second to the 980.
I have 16GB DDR4 and have yet to use more than 4GB of it for all the applications that I use although it is very easy to max out CPU, GPU, Memory, Storage I/O and Bus I/O if you run stress test tools.
Actually, there is not that much of a performance gain in overclocking memory and in some respects you may even get instabilities so you have to be very careful when setting up your RAM speeds. Of course overclocking your CPU (assuming you have an unlocked CPU) can have it's share of problems if you don't get your cooling and clock frequencies right.
I think there is a big misconception that more RAM benefits a game when in fact it just helps the console/PC do 2 to 4 things at once. CPU and GPU is the most important in this factor correct??
you simply just need enough for the game and running at higher res uses more vram. If you want to play new games at 4k and max settings you might want a gpu with 8 gb vram just to be on the safe side. I've come to find out that running even new games at 4k and medium settings actually works pretty decently on a gtx 970 which only has 4 gb vram, im guessing the scorpio will be doing something like this and sometimes lowering res to 1440p (or some non standard res just below 4k) with up scaling.
Pretty sure the dramatic improvement in GPU power will be more of a push towards higher system requirements.
12 GB shared between system and GPU. Most gaming PCs build in the last 3 years have 16GB or more of just system memory.
The only way PC requirements will increase is if devs abandon the X1.
And they might! I give it a 50/50 chance MS just calls Scorpio the "XBOX Two".
I'm guessing you don't game on PC. You can make one game and have it run on an almost infinite amount of PC's. I can run all the games I own on my new PC and my 8 year old PC without patches. The difference is in resolution/image quality and FPS/performance. My older PC needs to run at lower setting on newer games to maintain a playable frame rate. Xbox One games will have to do the same compared to Scorpio. We have already seen this throughout the gen with PS4 that runs at higher native res than Xbox One.