A little more than a week before Prey's official release date, and some disappointingly expected news has arrived.
Who thinks the PC version of Prey, will be messed up at launch?
this is lame, but at least they gave us a demo this time around. For those who haven't played it yet (live everywhere tomorrow, on Austrailia PS Store now), just a warning it has long load times and you may want to lower music audio because it gets very loud
people freaked out about this with Doom last year...The release was surprisingly stable on all platforms, and was a strong GOTY contender across the board. I'm not interested in Prey specifically, but as a policy, I don't find anything wrong with it. Or at least I don't find it any reason for concern in the context of the released quality. Gaming media has had decades to get their shat together overall, and failed to do so. The argument of them being the gatekeepers between the consumer and business sides of the industry hasn't been true for a very long time. Subjective viewpoints layered into giant objective point systems is laughable. Most people can make up their mind on a purchase simply by seeing the game streamed on launch day (if they haven't determined it already)...early releases for media are more tailored to support a bloated 'part' of gaming that serves no real purpose.
but it won't have a PC demo, I don't think ...
@Kleptic There is nothing objective about the point system. In fact, making a value judgement, which the point system represents, is pretty much the core of subjectivity. While I agree that mainstream gaming media is questionable (like when Mitch Dyer gives a seemingly bloated review score for SW Battlefront, and now hes working for EA and writing for Battlefront 2) It doesn't mean everyone is on the take.
Some good points Kleptic. The games media can act like theyre entitled to early copies but the fact is many of their ethics are questionable at best and a games reputation can be made or broken before its even out. Seems anyone with an axe to grind can find one thing in a game and blow it out of proportion and the whole internet (gaming world) swallows it up, repeats it as gospel and just runs with it. You can get totally unsubstantiated claims and people will repeat them years later never stopping to check if it is indeed fact. Back in the day the only games media I had was the Australian Hyper Magazine. But I trusted it. I knew the writers taste and how well they lined up with my own. They didnt need clicked or top 10 lists spread over 11 pages. They just put out an informative, entertaining magazine. Now days I dont really trust anyones opinion. If I read or watch a review I will usually go off their enthusiasm to see if I believe them. But so much of it is shady now and so much is just ad revenue driven. Clickbait rules the day. I for one, would rather have a demo than a review. How refreshing. Play a game yourself not listen to someone whose more interested in his own pseudo celebrity. I dont like reviewers that get too wrapped up in thier own persona. A demo spells confidence in your product to me. If I play a game for an hour, that should tell me all I need to know about it on whether its a buy or not. I'll be trying this one.
OMG, Circle the Wagons!! We have to wait 2 extra days to read other people's opinions on a game!! Who effing cares?? I mean, really? You can't formulate your own opinion and make a decision on a game based on pre-release footage? I haven't waited for a review to help make my decision on a game in years. I simply don't care what they think. I know enough about what I like and what I don't like to figure it out myself.
I'm really hoping this pulls another DooM. PC Gamer played this as did a few other PC gaming sites, but none reported on the performance. That was troubling for me. At least the PS4 and Xbox One versions will get a demo, not so much the PC.
It's a 50/50 chance it will be a piss poor optimised game at launch considering the state of Dishonored 2 even now after 3 patches. It's a different engine but the same developer and publisher as Dishonored 2. All we can do is wait and hope it's a great game on PC as there's no demo for us to try unlike the console version.
the engine in Dishonored 2 is what it is, its not exactly spectacular on console either. One thing to keep in mind, pc benchmarks usually push everything to maximum settings and many times it just isnt worth the 2% increase in visual quality for the 40% hit in frame rate (rough estimate of high vs ultra in many games)
well it is made in cryengine so i still have some hope. but yea a good chance it will fail miserably
It'll probably be a Console port.
How many of these games that have had delayed reviews and embargoes ended up being average or worse? I'll wait until I see others react to playing it before I decide to buy.
They did the same for Doom and it was loved by most. This is just their new policy, they will do it for all their future titles, regardless of quality.
my new policy is to not preorder bethesda games
My policy has been to never preorder anything. I don't see the point in it.
Yep. I've been burned too many times. No more preorders for me. And I take particular interest when a company doesn't release early review copies. Maybe it's just me being cynical, but I always end up feeling like the company is hiding something.
I feel ya, unless I trust that I know exactly what I'm getting, I ain't doing pre-orders either. It's true, it does feel more of a company being insecure about the quality of their product, than them just saying "we simply don't want to".
While I can't comment on Bethesda as a whole, there is a strong correlation between a games quality and reviews being delayed. For instance, they did it for Destiny because of world population, though that stuff was pretty unimportant in the end product and we had a game that scored pretty low given the size/popularity. Sure, it's a good game, but things like the story, included content and so forth was underwhelming. I also believe CoD Black Ops Declassified was so far held back that even sites like GameSpot had to buy a copy on release to have a review. The Walking Dead Survival Instinct had a similar story. Likewise, generally if reviews release early, companies have a lot of faith in the product, like we saw with Horizon. There is no perfect system, obviously, as I've seen great games have launch day reviews and low scoring games like Yooka-Laylee get them a bit before release, but the general rule of thumb is the more they delay, the less faith they have.
Bethesda too stupid to have a working game at launch
Nothing to worry about these are the same guys that created the Dishonored series. Look how great those games turn out. Prey would be the same thing, with an even more open environment. This Prey looks more interesting than the last Prey. I got to be honest...I was bored halfway through the original Prey. This one has a lot of creativity.
Bethesda didn't create Dishonored, Arkane Studios did. Bethesda developed games are usually glitch ridden and unoptimised, so people have a very valid reason to be concerned.
I know that Arkane Studios develop the game. What I am saying is this game will be just as good or better than Dishonored.
And yet Bethesda is one of the best studios out there with games that people buy the shit out of
What the hell are you talking about? Why people should be concerned about Bethesda Game Studios glitchy reputation, when we are talking about Arkane Studios and Bethesda Softworks (publisher). Bethesda Game Studios don't have anything to do with this game.
Arkane Studios is part of Bethesda.
@slightlyr Because all comments above his are about Bethesda GS developed games, and hence the need to separate between Arkane Studios and Bethesda GSs. I was referring to the earlier comments. Arkane S non-PC ports have been ok so far.
i dont see where he said that Bethesda created Dishonored. He said this game is from the same people that did dishonored, which is true... Prey is from Arkhane too
I feel people often don't take into account that most of Bethesdas glitchy games are open world, the complexity of triggers and flags in open world games is many levels above linear zone based games. Small changes in one part of the world or one character bugging can have massive knock on effects on all the flags that are linked to that.
Dishonored 1 was a great game with amazing optimisation on PC Dishonored 2 not so much. Developers are only as good as their last game. Arkane are amazing level designers but with Dishonored 2 they were abysmal when it came to performance.
Thank goodness for the demo.
It's got me wondering if the demo isn't just a distraction of how the overall game really is...
Good to hear, if more studios did the same traditional games media will die out
Yeah, there really is no benefit to releasing copies to the current batch of reviewers. People look at scores instead of the game. They call it "anti-consumer" but that assumes that reviewers have the consumers interests at heart which is rarely the case. The demo will say more than anything they could tell me. I already bought it anyway.
Gamer Gate showed that the current games journalism is not fit anymore to talk about games and thus it needs to die out
You're supporting one of the most anti-consumer practices game publishers can enact b/c you dislike traditional games media? I don't think you've carefully considered this.
word of mouth still exist and I rather go see a either Game Grumps, Markiplier or PewDiePie play a game for an hour then by the game like I did with Dark Souls. Also throw in a demo and we'll be all good. Also it's not really anti consumer since you know people can choose to not buy the game right away and just wait for other people to play it and hear what they got to say or just buy games from publishers you trust cause seriously does anyone here actually read the reviews to games like anything Bethesda puts out or CoD or Rockstar Games? I'm sure with those games no one actually looks up reviews to help them decide to buy it
Sure, word of mouth & demos are still a thing; however, that doesn't somehow negative that reviews--another key method of consumer awareness--from traditional/non-traditional media have a role to play. "Also it's not really anti consumer since you know people can choose to not buy the game right away and just wait for other people to play it and hear what they got to say or just buy games from publishers you trust..." No, it is really/literally an anti-consumer policy. It's artificially cutting off a certain method of consumer communication upon the game's release, and has historically--though not consistently--been a surefire signal of the game being pretty terrible.
Game reviews play a very tiny fringe part in purchasing decisions with consumers that it's removal would not be felt by anyone. Also it still isn't anti consumer because that would imply that there is no other venue for people to inform themselves on games. People can still look up previews of the game or watch streamers play the game and purchase it then which people already do. More people buy games from streamers than reviewers. The current games media is corrupt and needs to die out so it can be rebuilt.
-Reviews may not be hugely influential compared to yesteryear, but that doesn't mean setting an anti-consumer precedent against them means it's totes okay to do this. -"Also it still isn't anti consumer because that would imply that there is no other venue for people to inform themselves on games." Incorrect. As I already highlighted, the LIMITING of pre-release information (in this case: reviews) for a consumer is...anti-consumer. You don't need to meet this amorphous threshold of shutting down ALL venues of information in order to be considered "anti-consumer." -"The current games media is corrupt and needs to die out so it can be rebuilt." What makes non-traditional games media any less inclined to said corruption? In fact, Bethesda's already been in a bit of trouble over this with the PC version of Skyrim: Special Edition (which was reported as broken at launch). YouTubers kind to Bethesda's games in the past would also be given exclusive pre-release access. https://www.youtube.com/wat... Also, why are you putting this in a context akin to "games media" being some kind of empire to be rebuilt? Can't they just...have better journalistic standards in the future and move on without crumbling to pieces? These sort of remarks come off as kinda cringy.
Yeah, no.... Will wait for the PC version reviews in case it is another botched port.
I have no interest in this game but for those of who want it do your research or wait few extra days for reviews to be published Bethesda doesn't have a clean history so they should be the last ones to hold back review copies(I know Bethesda isn't developing but they are publishing) Reviews should always be available atleast 24-48 hours before the game releases
I have a feeling this game is going to suck.
I could be wrong, but story is what will drive the sales here. The gameplay is only there to get more story. I see why many people are so excited. I see the cool new weapons and introducing new mechanics done here. I get it, but I see, IMO only the character development that is focuced on, which is leaving something else missing. I'm sorry.
Yeah I agree something seems off. Probably why the review embargo in place.
I don't think it will since a couple weeks back when gaming sites went hands on with it most were estactic about it plus them releasing a demo is pretty cool and makes it seem like their confident
Preordered the PC version. Hope the game is great and optimized.
oh well, I can wait.
I wonder if butthurt reviewers will score it lower because of this?
Good for them , they have ever right so no quarrels from me .
But does have a demo available at the moment....
good, no one should have the privilege to get one of them. my friend works for a gaming site and them ppl get so goddamn cocky. "requesting" or even demanding those review copies.
Played the demo, didn't enjoy it. But that's me, I'm sure others will.
I wonder if Rockstar or ND would ever do this? Nah, because when they release games, the reviewers just tell us what we already know: the game is great.
You do know gta 5 had an embargoe that didn't let up till 24 hours before launch
I hope it's good. Love how it feels like Bioshock
I'll wait for reviews until I even consider buying the game.
well from what i played so far. it was very interesting. i like how (minor spoilers) the mimics hiding as objects like prop hunt and it leads you to being more observant of your sorrundings. also i like how (spoilers) everything is a simulation so sometimes you need to think out side the box in order to advance.
My issue with Prey is the failure to continue on the story of the previous game. Since they are not doing that then they should have had the belief in their product to name it something else. That said, I am all for any move that cuts these mealy mouth little press parasites off at the knees. I have never used a review to determine a buy and I never will.
I guess I won't buy it until weeks after release then.
Their problem not mine. If the game was worthy of a 8+ in reviews or I at least heard some solid praise before launch I would have been more than happy to pay $60 on day one. If you think this game can do just as well without praise, great scores and impressions before launch to hype up the game before launch you are crazy. On the bright side, this is a great way to prevent preordering, so good job Bethesda you are doing a better job at convincing people to not preorder than the constant preaching done on the internet. I remember a while back Pete Hines on Kinda Funny talking about how they have such great quality control and week one does not matter I look forward to seeing how that plays out. This is not a Todd Howard project or Doom, Bethesda has made plenty of mediocre games over the years and quality is far from guaranteed. I believed he mentioned people will buy a Bethesda game based on the brand alone and I personally think he is wrong. I am all for being proven wrong and Prey kicking ass critically and commercially. EDIT: I just found out there is a demo so that is a pretty positive decision for potential buyers. I am all for a decent demo over early reviews.
I'll wait to purchase.. not a fan of pre-ordering anymore anyway. Been burned too many times.
No worries. I'm a very patient man
Not a big deal as there is a public playable demo for everyone and if there are still concerns after that just wait for the reviews to hit as there are plenty of games to play.
I trust Bethesda. One of the few good developers that are left. If I were given a list of developers and told to choose the one that I felt most consistently delivered adequate, quality, content and value. Bethesda is #1 IMO.
Delaying reviews is usually not a good sign but DOOM was great so this game could go either way. Odds at maby 50/50 this game runs good day 1.
Of course they won't send out early review copies. The game isn't even Prey, it's just using the name for a new IP like Resident Evil 7 did. It will be a trash game regardless of reviews and you can tell just from the previews that are already out there.
I'd rather have a demo to play and make up my own mind than reading opinions of others with no common point of reference. As long as they release something for the public to try out, I can't wait for the reviews.