Project Scorpio isn't designed for everyone, but how many people is it meant for?
I'm predicting $599 but that's just me.
they are talking about sales, how many people will buy the project scorpio.
Depends on the price but I'm guessing not many. It doesn't have "exclusives". I see no selling point other than 4k.
If MS wants to compete they need to bring the games.
the target market is very small, the Pro was double the power of the PS4 but could only take 20-25% of PlayStation sales, the Scorpio is barley half stronger than the Pro so Scorpio sales could be even less than 10% of the market.
At launch I'd be surprised if does more 200K.
The Scorpios GPU alone is an entire PS4 more powerful then the pro, so it's not barely half more powerful, there's also 45% more ram, the CPU speed is also higher. There's a lot more power.
The best version of every multiplat and at a minimum 3 exclusive AAA games coming this year, not to mention forza, cuphead and a slough of others as well as any surprise announcements.
New Monday is correct
CPU and more ram doesn't matter since every game is gonna be on parity restriction. It only matters on exclusives which the Xbox has zero.
thanks for reminding me about the CPU, the Scorpio is barley 10% faster than the Pro, this will pull down the half extra power of the GPU, meaning the performance of the Scorpio wont be even 20% better.
after a full year late that just bad, very bad.
"The question of how Microsoft has managed to extract desktop GPU-like clock-speeds from a console SoC, and by extension, how the Xbox team has delivered six teraflops of GPU power, is now answered. The end result is a 43 per cent increase in raw compute compared to PS4 Pro, with a processor we estimate as being 12 to 16 per cent larger in terms of die area."
New monday is wrong on his last comment. CPU is still strong enough to not be a real bottleneck for the gpu. Let's say you put a $300 cpu instead in the Scorpio, you will at most get 5 more fps, if that.
IMO if MS manages to market this as not only a 4k console for 4k owners but a must own system for gamers in order to get the best console experience, while showing a lot of games getting upgrades for it and making the correct price (i really hope for it to be 399 but 449~499 is more realistic), then it could sell a pretty big amount of units. it's just a matter of marketing and price.
I don't see how they can get that market, that target audience is already with ps4 or pc
Really? How many people do you know that own a PC that plays game 4K @60fps with max settings. PS4 does not have an option 4 that setting either. There are PC's that can get you pass Scorpio performance with no problem, but they don't cost $500. Try $1500 plus. It is not just a GPU upgrade you need. You need the RAm, Mother board with the right chipset and bandwidth, CPU, hard drive and OS. Then you need a 4K monitor if you don't already have one, same for scorpio if you want 4K.
I consider myself an avid gamer with a fantastic income and I'm not really diving into 4K yet. Maybe this holiday if the boxing week deals are good but 4K is a niche market right now. Maybe 2018 holiday we will see Pro and Scorpio start being the bulk of the console sales.
Due to this I think it's really important for MS to make the price point proper (even if it means a loss) because anything too high will be all but forgotten by all except those who would buy anything MS is selling (like those still clinging to the Cloud dreams after 3 + years of promises).
The next part of that launch has to be games. I expect a big money hat third party deal at E3 to promote Scorpio at the holidays.
It's tough sledding for MS so price and games must be there to justify buying into this after we have had PS4, xbo, ps4slim, xbos, ps4pro, Switch all in the last 3+ years. The market could become saturated to an extent. We will see how it goes for them but it's always about price and games.
300k-500K on launch if its priced at $500. Anything below $500 and it could reach a 1M.
That's highly speculative.
Not many people have 4k tvs yet. Yes they're cheap but most people don't have them.
The system is going to be expensive.
We've yet to see any actual exclusives
All we know is 4k forza...which isn't very impressive.
We know only power. That's my going to sell the system. It NEEDS games.
You don't need a 4k tv to benefit from Scorpio.
Literally everything being said is speculative.
I dont think you know what Project Scorpio can do, go do some reading about it before commenting again about it.
I don't want Scorpio for 4k.
I want it for 1080p 60fps.
I think many will feel the same.
If the PS4 pro is a reference to go by I doubt it will sell in high volumes. Pro has boost mode as well it's no system selling feature the ROI is just not there if you don't have 4K.
Lol a mid gen upgrade system is gonna sell as much as when this gen started? I want whatever you're smoking
It's holiday sales. I speculate it will easily sell a couple of millions until end of the year. Even at maybe $500. But I also think it will drop off fast after. I would think a lot of people ("hard core" xbox gamers) are waiting for it. Not so much mass market but I think there is a huge market for it. I am not sure if a lot of PS4 player will switch, also the Pro isn't probably attracting the same crowd either. Scorpio has more a "Next Gen" feeling to it than the Pro, maybe also because the standard PS4 does/did quite well compared to the XBO. But of course it will all depend on price and what the marketing messaging will be by end of the year.
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Who really cares about the sales of an iterative console
Without knowing the price there isn't way to know. Just be patient, e3 is almost there.
That all depends on the price.
A few million units tops. I just don't see the typical Xbox gamers buying this.
Phil did say that the XB1 S is for the casual gamer and the Scorpio is for that hardcore gamer who wants the latest tech.
A good gauge to use at this point would be the elite controller...it sold and still is selling pretty well regardless the high price tag .
If people see a drastic difference in let's say the new SW BF, that's a game that needs to look great on Scorpio. If it looks that much better and shows the differences between the og PS4/ X1 and the pro while Sony advertises it, will push quite a few systems alone.
I would think of it sells 4m in the first year MS would be more than happy. The problem is a lot of those sales will be existing XBOne owners upgrading so it will not swell the userbase hugely.
I agree. Most of those early adopter will be current Xbox owners upgrading. But I could see a few cross over buyers who will not dump their old system, but want the performance of the Scorpio as their main place to play. Scopio could continue to attract some of the sales as more gamers move to 4K TV's and Sony waits to release another system.
Doubtful. Your suggesting that the Xbox which averages 8 million sales a year will sell 4 million Scorpios? A premium system will not sell 50% split between the vanilla S. No way will that happen. They would be lucky if it is indeed $500+ as a premium console if they get a million sales.
They could reach 20 million in 4 years, depending on price. I dont see it selling more until the price drops. Really, they have a jump on the next gen, but if a ps5 releases, the machine will be obsolete.
Not really. Unless Sony make a very expensive console, it will not be able to outperform the Scorpio by much. They need to wait for the tech to be more affordable before releasing PS5. Releasing now would likely cost too much, and will not do anything that the Scorpio isn't already doing.
ps5 wont release for another 2-3 years at best. what I am saying is the scorpio has a jump on the next gen for a while. but , if, and when the ps5 comes out, the scorpio will be obsolete.
So, are you admitting that the scorpio is MS's next gen console? If the PS5 won't do anything that the scorpio is already doing (your words) then that says a lot.
Around the WII U lifetime sales if it above $500, which will of course force Microsoft to immediately lower the cost then depending on how much they shave off the price, I'd say somewhere around 38 million to 45 million. And only if they keep it on the market a minimum of 5 to 6 years
No way a premium priced console will move that many units. By your projections the Scorpio would be averaging what the vanilla S units sells which is highly unlikely. Because you're suggesting the Scorpio will average 8+ million a year! The cheap vanilla S barely moves 8 million a year and you think the more pricey version will suddenly be able to pull that off? Rather unlikely as we have seen casual players are very price conscious.
I thought I'd be generous with the figures , but notice I said 5 to 6 year cycle and just by guesstimation if Scorpio doesn't start out the gate with a great impact I foresee Microsoft dropping the price fairly quickly! And because of that I actually can see it shifting more units over that course of time, it happen with all electronics when there's a mass reduction in price.
I foresee Microsoft dropping the price fairly quickly! And because of that I actually can see it shifting more units over that course of time, it happen with all electronics when there's a mass reduction in price."
No way will they drop the price like you suggest on a 'premium' product. It not only sends a bad message, it will show consumers a lack of confidence in your own product. Even when the Elite systems were released and did not sell all that well, we didn't see a price drop if any. In fact new Xbox Elite still are hovering at the same price. This won't be any different.
The Pro for example has not gone on sale often. The Scorpio is meant to be a premium product for the enthusiast so it won't see discounts. The only thing we will see is a game bundle possibly or free game with purchase promotion. The most we will see is the odd sale with maybe a $50 off. Just based on the nature of this console I don't see MS having much leeway for pricing.
There won't be a mass reduction in price. I have not seen 'mass reductions' in video game consoles space. Because of a few things. Unlike other electronic products there are only 3 options.
"I foresee Microsoft dropping the price fairly quickly! And because of that I actually can see it shifting more units over that course of time, it happen with all electronics when there's a mass reduction in price."
There won't be a mass reduction in price. I have not seen 'mass reductions' in video game consoles space. Because of a few things. Unlike other electronic products there are only 3 options PS, Xbox and Nintendo. These consoles are heavily price controlled and since there isn't free competition to drive prices down there won't be a price reduction. Where the 3 try to add value is they add a game into the bundle. That and during major sales around Christmas they will probably drop the price $50 and/or add more games to the bundles to increase the attractiveness of that option. That's all will happen. 8 years of selling games and working in a game store where I do all the marketing suggest that this will be the case.
The Xbox 1 saw 3 incremental price drops within the 1st year! The first masquerading as a strategic removal of kinects which should not cost $100 to begin with since truthfully how much better was it than the original kinects!? The second came on the heels of E3, supposedly for a limited time, but ended up becoming permanent. The 3rd happened in November right before Black Friday and once again it too became a permanent price drop.
This doesn't at all cover the retailers selling Xbox 1 at significantly reduced prices as low as $300 and bundled with 4 and 5 games. Some could say the Xbox 1 had a fire sale the majority of the time it's been on the market.
They did have a fire sale to get rid of their older units, but, all the other price drops for the S for example has been controlled step by step. They only reacted to their competitor so it was only matching that. They had NO choice, but, to follow Sonys lead. They never really dropped the price of the Elite though which was their other premium console. If this new premium console is a 'beast' so to speak the cost to make it will not allow for them to drop that price accordingly however.
All Sony has to do is announce a price drop for their Pro and the Slim and it would be a done deal. Sony has the luxury of having the Pro out a year ahead of the Scorpio and using older parts will allow them leeway to put pressure on MS by doing a price drop. I don't think MS will be able to respond by dropping prices however. If the price is $500+ then it will be really niche. All Sony will have to really do is drop their price $50. If the Scorpio is $450 then Sony with a $50 price drop would still be $100 cheaper. If they dropped the price $100 the Pro would be $150-200 cheaper. Sony has wiggle room so they were smart in their approach.
MS has to be careful with their messaging this time. I am quite interested to see E3 this year and how it will play out. This E3 has more intrigue than any other before it.
From launch until the next Xbox releases?
Assuming that's 3-4 years out (And that it costs at least $500), I would say 15-20 million. Microsoft seems to have a pretty clear vision with regard to who Scorpio caters to. It's for the console gamer with a potential PC budget and want all the bells and whistles. I can't say how many console gamers will go for it but, it's clearly meant to be a premium product. As such, I imagine it would make sense to lowball sales estimates. It all depends on pricing though. If you could get a machine with those specs for $400 or less, I would increase that projection considerably.
For everyone else, they will attempt to steer them towards the Xbox One S.
$499, is my prediction
10 million lifetime sales. Especially if it's $500+
5 in Japan. less than Pro in the US. So under 2 million.
it needs to be 399
correction, it needs to be 399 with a game
anything higher and its sales will be restricted to hardcore fans
they will make one million if there feeling conservative
they will make two million if there feeling confident
they will make three million if phil and his buddy's are drunk
they will make four million only if all communications are lost to the manufacture's and they don't speak english
$499 and it sells 20-30 mil lifetime
Less than Nintendo Switch. Somewhere around the figure of PS4 Pro.
Maybe the same as the Xbox Pro Controller.
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