It isn’t a mystery why 4k televisions have become a widespread "must have". Having four times as many pixels as a 1080p TV, the results are a much more detailed and richer image.
It's hard to beat a Samsung nowadays!
I agree. I have the KU6300 in both the living room and bedroom. They're both great. Nice picture and low input lag.
The Samsung KS8000 is even better. Still I would get the LG B6 OLED over anything if it were cheaper.
I do always do my research using rtings.com but you also have a nice article and some great choices listed.
Yes! I got the un65ks9000 and I'm LOVIN' it!!!! :O
My issue with the 6300 is its not a wide colour gamut. So the HDR isn't as good. But it's a great TV for the price.
extreme is Sony Z9D
Dead-on. The B6 looks great, but the B7 is right around the corner...
I got the new Samsung Q7 and its amazing. But might be too expensive for the casual
I got the LG B6. Best TV Ive ever owned. I dont ever want an LED with its grey "blacks" again.
OLED is still LED.
I have a crappy Vizio LED that has black blacks. Most low-end LEDs have been able to handle that fine for the last 3 or 4 years. What they lack compared to the higher end sets is color contrast.
I'd wait for the Q4 2017 linup It might have HDMI 2.1 which Is a huge +
People will wait for them to drop in price. 4K is good for now. 8K, 10k is years away.
I need one for my living room. Q4 2017 can't come soon enough
Most of the HDMI 2.1 specs are for stuff your screen is unlikely to support. 4K at 120fps, for example...it's unlikely that the bulk of TVs...even those offering HDMI 2.1... will move beyond a native refresh of 60Hz anytime soon, because there's just no demand for it. 10K? We're many years away from that being an actual thing on CE devices...nobody outside the professional world, working with MASSIVE displays, cares about it. Dynamic refresh could be nice and is probably the only meaningful near-term upgrade, but there's no mandate for an HDMI 2.1 set to actually support it. It just means that HDMI won't be the limiting factor.
People need to understand that just because a standard SUPPORTS something, does not mean that the TV leveraging it will take advantage of it. HDMI 2.1 TVs will still be 4K, not 10K, for example.
It will be interesting to see this unfold. I could see a scenario where many consumer TV manufacturers pretty much ignore the spec and stick to HDMI 2.0a. Computer monitors will surely offer it though. You could hook up your new Scorpio to one easy enough.
+frostypants HDMI 2.1 Is not just about the resolution + FPS, It's about the extra bandwidth to push for a higher output color format and detail (4K+ HDR 4:4:4) with dynamic metadata support + Freesync without requiring an extra module, all done on the protocol level.
HDMI 2.0 Is maxed out at the moment, and current Dolby Vision + HDR10 are limited to only YUV 420 @4K.
Btw the Freesync support from the Xbox Scorpio Isn't specific to the console, every device with HDMI 2.1 will have Variable Refresh Rate (VRR) support since It will be an HDMI 2.1 feature.
I could go on and on but you should get the picture here.
KS9000 65" here! Was worth it and will stay in this house until I get super rich one day! Might have some value in reselling it as well due to the 12-bit HDR and 4K and good input lag :)
Question to KS9000 users: what settings do you use on PS4 Pro? Do you use RGB and 2160p Full Range on both HDR games too? I read somewhere YUV with Limited Range should be the only way to see full 12-bit HDR. But this was most likely a PS4 Pro issue, not the TV set's.
I have the 65 inch KS9000 and I use RBG with full range.
The hell is a 12 bit panel? LOL
Thanks for the info! What kind of settings do you use? Do you just put the Game mode on? I think the HDR looks better on YUV and on limited range and colors set to auto instead of native (it messes up the HDR dynamic, I think the native tries to reproduce the HDR for non-HDR content, just like HDR+ or something).
I'm also experiencing huge brightness issues with games when using Dynamic Contrast. It's pretty painful in The Witcher 3 on RGB, but the black look so washed out on YUV so I put blacks to low on RGB and adjust the brightness on dark areas.
But overall the image looks brilliant. Upscaling is really good on the TV so 1080p games on PS4 Pro' 4K framebuffer look great on KS9000, despite the internal rendering resolution being lower than 2160p.
The panel has capability to do 12-bit range of HDR, which is a pretty significant improvement over the typical 8-bit range from previous "HDR" sets. Basically more shades and more vivid colors.
I have the ks9000. It's great. But it's not 12 bit hdr. It's 10. And the tv doesn't upscale anything when in game mode. I like your enthusiasm for this great tv. But please do your homework before singing it's praise.
On a different note: this whole article is so poorly written, it's a joke. They too should have done their homework
Thanks for your reply!
It has been said that technically KS9000 is capable of 12-bit HDR, even though it is not out there yet. It is considered a 10-bit panel as of now and you are right about that. I meant the 10-bit in games, and 12-bit in other applications (non-game mode) in the future, I communicated that poorly. According to Digital Foundry, at least the KS8000 is upscaling the image, however, they did not specify on which mode. (they probably meant only PS4 Pro on 1080p mode and that is from the menu as that is supposed to change the buffer too.
I checked out the AVforums and such globally and locally, and it seems that there is a lot of post processing and scaling going on with the tv all the time, but it is hard to say how much and when. For example when the frame buffer is 4K on the console, I guess the TV won't affect the internal resolution, which is what the scaling chip does in the console by using checkerboard or temporal scaling (like in Ratcher & Clank.)
To be honest, I'm not entirely satisfied with the KS9000, I'd like a much faster UI, better tuning options and a much better HDR indicators of when it is 8bit and when 10bit and how can I know it without physically measuring it (which I'm not too keen to do, not interested in calculating pixels).
Just to note, I'm not a technical person and am piecing stuff together just by myself. And as this is not a test, I don't think I need to do too much homework, just trying to awoke discussion. As of now, nobody has answered my question about the ideal settings either...
Got a 55UH9500 (55uh950V depending on where you are). Love it!
If anyone is having issues on which one to get I recommend Rtings.com if you want informative info .
Me I went with a Samsung KS9000 awesome .
What's the difference with the KS8000 and KS9000?
From the info provided the 8000 has a slight streak of flutter when things are thrown or moving quickly. Aside from that my main care was that it was right size ,had everything I need for gaming for when Scorpio release
I got the 55" Samsung KU6500 for my room. It's a very nice upgrade from 1080p, and games on XB1S are notably better. I'll be getting a 75"-85" top of the line around Black Friday to go with the Scorpio. Damn!!! I can't freaking wait!!
I have question. I don't have an Xbox One S, I have the original fat model. I have 49 inch LG 4K UH6030. I know that's nothing to brag about, but the picture on it is amazing. I decided one day to turn on the HDR feature and I noticed that my games look far superior whenever I use it. I don't experience any of the lag that I hear people describe either. I guess the tv set is a diamond in the ruff for its price. I thought only the Xbox One S could benefit from HDR, so why does it also help games look better on the original Xbox One? This is also why I decided to wait for the Scorpio.
I have a LG 49uh6500 and the games looks fantastic on it , especially if the HDR is on. I think the input lag is around 20 ms even in the HDR game mode.
Dude that tv has a great picture. People always say Samsung's budget 4k tv's are better but I don't think that's true at all. LGs budgets sets are great and outperform Samsung's line in picture quality, hdr is a draw and after the January update lg is pretty much even or better in input lag. But honestly almost any 4k set looks amazing
Picked up a Samsung ks8000 at the beginning of the year. I finally got to really test it with Ps4 pro and Horizon. It was simply amazing. I found myself toggling the hdr feature on/off to really see the difference. The hype is definitely real!
just picked one up today from costco... Sale on the 55 inch for 979.99!!
LG OLED #1
Samsung Quantum Dot #2
Anything else #3 and beyond
Btw stay far away from Sony TVs, they are pure trash. Google Sony red line or Sony vertical line, doesn't matter the year or tech these TVs are plagued with discolored lines. I was unaware of this until a coworker mentioned his 1 year old Sony TV had this and he's outside the warranty. I opened a can of worms trying to help him diagnose the issue.
I'm just waiting on improved input lag on the OLED screens. Sammy still has the lowest
As far as I know Samsung doesn't have OLED because their focus is on quantum Dot which is bologna lcd/led enhanced. One thing for certain is that a lot of people are highly misinformed on input lag and response time, so much that they look at a box that says 1ms and they think the box is describing what the naive customer thinks.
True, response time ain't exactly the input lag, but one usually follows the other.
From all the 4K TV I tried at the store personally so far (by bringing my own laptop to the store and trying a game), nothing beats a great PC monitor for gaming. I just can't stand any input lag at all. If only they were as fast as those old CRTs....
not sure why I have so many disagrees. I put out facts and I get those trolls that are disagree click happy and walk away without a reason.
Probably because, like myself, some people disagree with your assertion that Sonys tv range is that bad. Ive got LGs and Sonys at 4k and tbh both have been amazing for me. I didnt disagree but I can.see why, if someones own evidence doesnt match yours they might do.
Not saying you are wrong just that a happy consumer might do.
I personally know quite a few satisfied Vizio owners. For the average customer if the picture is clear, sound is satisfactory and TV is within their budget, that's enough for them.
I didn't disagree or agree..... but I'm pretty sure your disagrees are because of ....."they are pure trash"
sensationalism doesn't help your point even if you are dealing with facts.
I provided a clear reason. If people can't choose to follow through then that's on them.
Here's my clear reason, InTheZoneAC:
Sony's screens look better. Not brighter, not hallucinogenic, better. I want my TV to look like the real world around it looks, not "better" like Samsung thinks I want. Also, every piece of Samsung tech in my house is a complete piece of trash. From driver issues in the laptop, to audio sync issues in a receiver, to non-functional blu-ray drives in blu-ray players. Every Samsung phone I've ever had has essentially eaten itself with poor memory usage and buggy bloatware. So yeah, my personal experiences outweigh yours in my eyes, because I've had them. Also, if you want to talk about bad hardware, why don't we have a little discussion about Samsung's curved screens breaking and ending up with black bars?
You understand I'm talking TVs right? I specifically mentioned Quantum Dot because that is a fact it has a better display than any tv outside of OLED and plasma.
I don't care about other Samsung products so stay on topic. I also don't care what display enhancements are programmed from the factory as every tv needs 99% of those disabled by the user anyway.
As for curved tvs you should stay away from those anyway, they're a gimmick. Nothing in this world is curved towards you so why should your tv? And if you sit to the side it only makes it worse.
If samsung sucks that hard, why on earth did you buy so much of their shit?
That sounds like a really stupid move
Not upgrading until OLED comes down in price & gets better on the input lag issue.
I still have a good Panny plasma to use for at least a couple more years. I'm also not too keen on upgrading my AVR & Blu ray player at the moment so yeah, I'm waiting to upgrade because when the time is right, I'm upgrading several things at once. Now is not the right time for me. I can get a lot more mileage from my Panasonic, AVR & blu ray player.
I'm not settling for something I don't really want (LCD/LED) so whenever an OLED 65" hits a good price point, then I will start considering.
you can get a 65" oled for $2,000 and that's a great deal.
BTW you should do some research on input lag and what it really is and how you people have been fooled into thinking it's something else.
I have the LG OLED65B6P and input lag is a myth you'll never notice. SDR and HDR gaming has been nothing but amazing on this TV. LG also released a firmware upgrade for HDR Game mode which reduces input lag so there's no point of holding off if you were thinking of getting one.
How does 720p look on 4K? I'm assuming it will look like how 480p would look on a 1080p display
wii u games look perfectly normal. SNES games from the virtual console look perfectly normal as well.
4k upscaler makes them looks surprisingly good
I have the 65'' Samsung KS8000 4k HDR tv. Let me tell you it is the PERFECT tv for PS4 Pro and X Box Scorpio. I have a PS4 Pro, gaming PC, PS3 and PS2 slim connected with it (PS2 slim with HDMI adapter). They all look amazing. Horizon Zero Dawn for PS4 Pro hands down the best looking game this generation.
anyone else got the Sony XBR series? I've got the XBR800d
paired with the PS4 PRO Horizon seriously leaps out the screen at you
I upgraded from a 720p plasma and the difference is astounding
4K HDR is the future and if you haven't seen it with your own eyes youre in for such a treat!
I have one of those as my second TV. Really nice.
Pain if you play on PC though as it only supports 60hz at 1080/4k but only 30hz at any other resolution (you can force through some tricks and Nvidia centre though).
I use that TV with PS4 Pro as well, its fantastic. Plus It was one of the few TVs that came in the size I wanted and the price was a good deal, for people who on a budget and wanting to try 4k with HDR.
what size is it?
Article is a bit out of date now. It should be recommending the 7 series lineup from LG.
None of the have HDMI 2.1....So I will pass.
Nor will any probably until 2019.
Bought the Samsung KS7000 (8000 in the US). And it's great for 4K HDR gaming. But I already regret it as I will have to replace it most likely next year when TV's with hopefully AMD FreeSync and VRR (variable refresh rate) comes out with HDMI 2.1
Xbox Scorpio will have this support and most likely all AMD based consoles will. Meaning PlayStation. It's a big deal and worth waiting for.
I have been eyeing a 4k Samsung K9000 or K8000 but wasn't getting it till closer to Scorpio launch. What do you think the price range will be for a TV with Freesynch/VRR. I am looking for a 55 inch but prefer a 65 inch.
I have no idea. But I know that most gaming monitors with FreeSync are usually a bit cheaper then those with G-Sync. So the price shouldn't be that much higher.
But impossible for me to guess. I just hope enough TV manufacturers will actual add FreeSync at all...
FYI A TV having hdmi 2.1 does not equal having all the features.
Basically, anything Samsung KS8000 or newer or LG OLED. Some Sony sets are good but over all those are the two best choices.
Nothing beats the LG OLED's. Got the LG OLED65B6P and HDR gaming in 4K is just amazing. Horizon Zero Dawn really shines on this TV.
Samsung ks8000 55inch! Digging it!
Samsung 55"KU7000 Best for video game And very good 4k quality.
I can't recommend the Sony X900E enough. I picked up the 49" model and the nearly 900nit peak brightness, triluminous display for wide color gamut and full array local dimming for improve contrast and HDR performance are fantastic.
I just bought the Vizio M series. I never thought I would buy a Vizio but after doing my research I found that it is the best television for the money. It does full HDR and UHD and I got a 60 inch for 899. After having it for a few weeks I have to say I am very happy with it. The OS is a little clunky but the picture quality is top notch
Just got a Samsung KS7000 and very happy with it.