J Station X: The games industry still struggles with the gender wage gap, and its lack of diversity is still a huge problem suggests a new survey.
We should just hire people if they are good...not to make up diversity numbers If more good gaming individuals are white or men...then sorry but it is what it is.
Colin Moriarty Twitter - 'The 79¢-per-dollar pay gap is one of the most persistent lies I've ever seen circulated in America. You'd think Trump said it. #EqualPayDay'
wrong comment i didnt read the article first
Though as, if not more, of an issue is that devs from indie to AAA treat basic coders as a slave workforce.
Diversity only matters when its against Whites or men. Plenty exclusive areas where women or other ethnicities dominate and there is no issue.
I bet they're all funded by the very same White men the women and other ethnicities have something against.
Well I actually think they're still looking for people who are good in the first place...
I have a degree in Computer Science. Classes all had like a 15:1 ratio of men to women, so of course there isn't going to be equal representation of jobs in this fields. Unless the think women should just be handed the jobs without putting in the work
That's exactly what women and feminists want. Handouts.
I think it is rude for men to assume women can do all of their jobs. If women are working like men, then who will take care of the children and households? Can someone please tell me, who would like his loving mother to be working out like his father and not see her for most of the day? And not have somebody to take care of the house? these maniacs who promote equality in every aspect of life between men and women are basically got hit in the head and lost the purpose and meaning of existence. They mixed roles and end up as maniacs. Also, these people totally ignore the psychology and mindset of women. women don't tend to like heavy engineering jobs. That's their nature. They excel more in other jobs like education and childcare. They also have other talents in business and communication. But to force them to work like men is bullcrap. Those who promotes equality in jobs with women, why don't they say women should work as street cleaners? or building workers? because I am sure those sections lack female workforce too. when a man loses the reason why he exists in the first place, he starts to lose many instinctive things and be misguided. . . . I wouldn't be surprised to see the men who are behind "equality in everything" slogans are doing it because they can't socialize and get women in their lives. They want women to be near their workplace so they can hang out and go to parties after work. I'm not saying all men like that but many are, even if they don't admit it. So I really question their motives behind this EQUALITY thing. . . . On judgment day, we will see everything we did. nothing we do goes without being recorded whether good or bad for you. That day, we will wish to come back to life so we do good deeds, to save ourselves from hellfire.
What a dumb, petty and useless article. Pussy has nothing to do with talent, get over this fact and move on. Ohhh...and the wage gap doesnt exist....not in the way some people would like it to.
It is definitely a social issue. I've definitely say it is only an issue within the game in history if Publishers are in charge of the specific demographics put out in games. If game designers are all being given the free chance to have their characters unaltered in exactly the way they've always intended them to be upon release then I actually don't think it's something that is magically going to be fixed in the industry, it is up for those people that are fighting for it to actually do something themselves. I cannot sit here and tell you that there's not enough diversity in a specific medium yet also fail to contribute to that. I'm not saying it doesn't exist so calm down social justice Warriors I'm simply saying I understand your struggle, I understand you want that diversity , what you need to do something first you actually need to do it yourself and create that game that you're saying you want to see. It is not up for someone else to force a concept in a game. I think this boils down to their are Publishers that still sensor and older games to sell to the majority so there very well could be an artist that has created diverse characters that have always had to alter them for the Publishers lighting for the sake of sales. If you guys believe Publishers are going to cut content to make more money you should also probably understand that they're going to try to make their game as centered towards the majority regardless of how much it probably conflix with the main concept. Consider that before life is strange was going to be made under square another publisher literally turned that team down because the team would not change the character to a boy... So the people who are saying they really want this enter the game industry in do what the team that created life is strange did and stick to your morals create a game in only accept a publisher that will accept your game the way it is as opposed to trying to force your hand and make the character completely different for the sake of sales. It's a problem if developers are not being given the freedom to do this. But it is also a problem if the people who are asking for this are also not willing to go into the game industry and deliver it themselves.
Why does there need to be diversity in games?
Better question: why are White heterosexual men being asked to include everyone else in whatever they do?
Why not ? Diversity makes things more interesting, diversity means more people can play and like these games, diversity means more entertainment for more people. Again, forced diversity is silly, but diversity is still a good thing, especially in terms of bringing more people into gaming.
There already is diversity in games. In fact, there always has been. Now could there be more? Sure there could be more, but we need to do that by finding people who are interested and have a passion for the industry. Not just fill some quotas.
So the medium could actually be taken seriously as an art form. There is this idea that it's basically taken hostage by a group of Marketing Executives all trying to make their games look the same to make a quick buck and when you're able to see games like life is strange or the last of us or Horizon zero Dawn it shows that there is still open creativity within the medium and not all Publishers are simply out there to make stereotypical cookie-cutter games. But all of this is just from the hypothetical that the majority of those games made with male characters were made specifically because of a marketing decision to appeal to the widest audience. I'm not saying I want it forced in every game I'm actually simply saying the industry in regards to the community at least wants to know that their games are not being forced in turns of censorship and changed to make a quick buck. As we've seen with titles like life is strange it is very clear that they are Publishers out there that will alter games to fit a specific stereotype. This is just terrible because it actually means there's a bunch of artists work that have been compromised for the sake of trying to Garner sales. So if anything I would say we need more Publishers like Square Enix and like Sony that are actually giving their developers the creative freedom to include whatever they feel like it without feeling like they're making the game with specific bullet points that the publisher wants just sell units. This has more to do with the actual developers having the freedom to create the game the intended as opposed to Marketing Executives chopping up there games.
I would also like to add there's nothing stopping these developers from Simply going independent and kick-starting their game. The biggest problem I have with the people who are demanding stuff like this is they basically want the industry the hold their hand while also forgetting that they have free will. Of course it's going to be difficult to get a job at somewhere at like Electronic Arts or Activision or any of these big publishers if indeed something like this is going on in terms of lack of hiring in regards to diversity but even if such a thing is going on which I actually firmly believe probably is , it does not actually mean somebody could not get into the game industry , it simply means it might be harder ,but that doesn't actually stop somebody from going independent themselves. Look at life is strange you're talking about a development team that created a game where a publisher literally told them to change the main character to a boy so they could sell more units and they turned down this publisher in favor for Square Enix which allowed them to maintain the Integrity of their game. So yes you're going to have specific Publishers trying to play the numbers game. They're going to censor anything they have to in change anything they have to to sell the most units. That doesn't actually mean the only way somebody could really say game is by bending to their will go on Kickstarter or find a publisher that is willing to publish your work in its entirety. http://kotaku.com/publisher... That developer had a choice and they clearly chose to stick with their integrity and maintain the concept of their game. Anybody that wants diversity in gaming needs to be willing to jump into the development team learn something about gaming in the industry and actually do it themselves. I'd argue even if you're at a big publisher that has basically been chopping up your game for their own narrative you could simply form your own smaller team and leave them and go on Kickstarter. Forcing it is not the answer.
Wage gap is a myth. If this were true, only women would be CEOs, and companies would hire mostly women. Money maters most. All companies would LOVE to pay you gals less.
It is a myth, because women seldom work the same jobs as men let alone work like men.
Yeah, the commonly cited wage gap figure doesn't even take into account hours worked. Full time working men tend to work more hours than full time working women. Also, young single women without children in urban areas make more, on average, than men do.
It's mind boggling that people still try and perpetuate the infinitely debunked "wage gap" myth. Like, literally, if they took 30 seconds to do a google search, they would find that it has no factual basis.
And once again, White heterosexual men are being asked to hold everyone else's hand.
You mean women aren't lining up in droves to be game developers? Wow, who would have thought... Instead of blaming the industry then maybe you should try to focus on getting more females into stem studies. The wage gap is largely a myth, it's due to many things such as experience. I would imagine that amy hennig makes waaay more than the average developer.
Why try to get more women in stem if they don't want to, though? I mean,I agree that it should be presented to the as an option and any barriers to them entering the fields should be reduced, but if women don't want to enter those fields we shouldn't force them to.
I mean instead of attacking the industry you might as well attack the real "problem". The shit intellect of the radical egalitarian drives me nuts. Everything must be split right down the middle, whether it makes sense or not. They don't do this anywhere else, I'm a mechanic and the field is 99.9% male. They aren't outside my shop demanding equal representation. Same with construction, they don't give a fuck. Only games and stem fields get this kind of slanderous garbage.
I'm in nursing and the field is predominately female . . . And even though hospitals are scrambling to scoop up male nurses as soon as they're out of school, there's no push to try to get more men in nursing for "equal representation". The whole thing is just a farce. Break down barriers and then let people choose whatever fields they want to. I have a brother going to Michigan Tech, where they push to recruit more women , but the male-female ratio is still like 7/1. It's just sad.
Just because there is inequality of outcome doesn't mean there in inequity.
Exactly. It seems that the author and people like him/her much rather everybody suffer equally than some benefiting more than others.
There is no such thing as the wage gap. In the US it's illegal to pay women less than men for the same work. What there is, is an EARNINGS gap, and that exists because, in general, women CHOOSE to work less hours than men and choose lower paying jobs. It's also because, in general, women take less risks in the workplace, so they tend not to get noticed (for big successes and big failures) as often as male coworkers. Stop pretending women are in any way oppressed in the western world. They aren't. In fact, they have more legal rights and social advantages than men do.
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