"Unlike the Wii U, the Nintendo Switch actually entices me to buy third-party games on the console-handheld hybrid." -- PlayStation Enthusiast
I would argue that remote play still works wonderfully on the vita and therefore I could not make the argument as to which is more portable. That being said there are ninty exclusives I am interested in so that may push me towards a switch purchase. I still have my reasons about the switch and wont mind waiting until some of the issues I've seen many switch owners complaining about are resolved before really considering a purchase. I think ninty took the best route for them this generation is they couldn't or didn't want to compete in the same space as ps4 and Xbo.
@article i ill ask this .....what third party??? ..no AAA third party will come to Switch ...imagine DS 3 on Switch or Witcher or Nioh (its a nominee for Nintendo to steal the IP) ...no fing way , the games will look terrible or they wont play at all ...now if you consider Bindng of Isaac third party support , ok ..like many i mnot even bothering with such games
What are you on about? Have you seen the graphics of Fast rmx? Secondly, graphics alone don't make games great. The Switch in terms of power is between the Wii U and Xbox One. Developers can and will do something with that. Your argument is like saying PC games can't be put on PS4 or Xbox One because gaming PCs are vastly superior to consoles in terms of graphics.
The rumors are that Dark Souls may be close.
Hey! Nintendo switch will have great 3rd party support! It's getting major games like skyrim which came out 5 years ago and also getting 360/ps3 ports of fifa. What more could you want? Lol
@Bigboos I didn't know you could see the future.
Dark Souls III is running on Switch and looks fine. See Gamespot.
A true Playstation fan would want their third-party games to look the best possible, I'd think. They'd want the trophies. They'd want the party chat with friends. Why would a "true fan" give that up for a device that completely lacks everything a fan of a brand would want?
@Naruga "no AAA third party will come to Switch " STEEP says hi. https://www.youtube.com/wat...
The problem with utilizing the Vita like a Switch is you have to buy two devices (a PS4 and a Vita) that is more expensive than getting just the Switch. Another issue is that not all games support remote play. The Switch is what I thought the Vita would be, and I love it!
What games do not support remote play? I would even posit that many people that have purchased a Vita over the last six years so have access to this device so yes, though you may have to purchase a new device, many of us still have said device. I agree that the vita has let me down to some minor degree yet is still a viable contender as my go-to mobile Gaming device, hopefully the switch, given some time to build it's library and features will change that.
@thejigisup I skipped the vita and Wii U. It doesn't make sense for me to go with the Vita over the Switch when I have a PS4. Going by the numbers, Vita's sold maybe 1/4 of the PS4. I think more people are in line with my position. I'd love to use one for remote play, but I'm more inclined to use my Switch for 3rd party on the go and 1st party, while enjoying my PS4 at home.
People are just disagreeing with you just to be disagreeing.
I would argue that the word "wonderfully" is a pretty big exaggeration, compared to the native play of the Switch, no extra system or wifi streaming needed, with every title so far. Having said that, I see no reason not to get both a PS4 and a Switch, considering both are getting great exclusives.
Switch is more portable easily. You don't need to own multiple consoles, nor do you have to be connected via wi-fi or data. You don't need to deal with connection lag. You don't have to leave a secondary console turned on or in sleep mode in order to access the games. You don't have to make sure that the system you are playing has the game you want to play put it before you leave (not an issue if you purchase games digitally). Besides, Switch has a higher resolution, better controls (Dedicated L2/R2 and L3/R3 instead of the back touch screen), better audio quality, etc than the Vita. But yes, remote play still works well on the Vita.
It's not more portable...the vita doesn't need to get docked and in the process have the screen getting scratched. For someone that already owns multiple consoles from the dreamcast to ps4 a handheld device that works perfectly with my ps4 isn't an issue. I'm pretty much always connected to the internet whatever I go my isp has over 1.5 million hotspots in the NYC tri-state area. I also have a fantastic Wi-Fi connection at work and home with fairly substantial bandwidth in both locations, and as far as connection lag... I haven't had game breaking issues. I also always have my ps4 in rest mode, I call it ready mode bc it's always ready, is there a downside to rest mode? I'm not aware if there is so let me know. As far as purchasing games digitally lol this one gets me about the disc having to be in the system... My ps4 has waaayyyyy more storage than the switch for instance not only will I be playing mass effect Andromeda on my beautiful oled screen whilst at work I don't have to worry about whether it's in the system or not bc I started playing last night and I didn't remove the disc and put the system into ready mode before I went to bed, I also have some disc jam id love to play a few rounds of as well. Better controls is subjective, I've been using my Vita for years now and I'm quite comfortable with it. The audio quality is a moot point in your case for the switch as I personally feel that if you are using a mobile device in public use some headphones please, I love in NYC and unless your five years old and don't understand that sometimes other people don't want to hear your video games in a crowded area or want to struggle to hear your games in a crowded area get some damn headphones(i suggest the PlayStation platinum headset, the earcups move). And yes you're right remote play works well on the vita. Seriously though is there something wrong with rest mode on the ps4?
1. Remote play on vita is no good. There is latencey and the resolution is worst than Switch. Please stop acting like vita is still a great platform. Sony let that system die, it had potential. 2. "Graphics don't make a great game". That's besides the point. The thing is the game will play better and look better on PS4 Pro and PC. It's not for certain that the port will have issues other issues on Switch.. I think PS4 is typically the system that a game is developed on to first and then it gets ported everywhere else. 3. As a Switch owner I have no issues playing 2 games a year. That was my expectation.. Just to play Zelda and then Mario. Third party on Switch.. when my graphics processor alone in my PC is $765 lol
and to think, you just sopent half of that on a zelda dn mario game..... Some people just love wasting money. (in my opinion)
From a pc gamer perspective, every Indy game that comes to the Switch, I'll buy there. It's the perfect Indy machine imo.
Same. I'll repurchase Stardew Valley on day one after dropping hours upon hours on it for PC.
For sure. The Switch is a big reason I've held off from a lot of indie titles on PC (Stardew Valley included.) Most AAA titles I'd just buy on PC.
Agreed. Switch will replace Vita as my indie machine. Here's hoping they get banner saga on Switch, since I've been waiting for the Vita version, but they've been dragging their feet.
"I was going to get The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim on PS4, but why do that when I can get the Switch version, and have a huge open-world RPG in the palm of my hands, anywhere I go?" Cuz you don't even know if the NS will receive the updated remastered edition. The devs reluctance to confirm that it is the Special Edition from last year almost spells out that it's the last gen version
Not necessary, people thought that Skyrim wasn't coming at all because of how quite they were after the Switch announcement, won't know until it's closer to November or possibly E3.
Well if all gamers were that obsessed over gwafix, then I guess it wouldn't matter what the Switch got, now would it? I think we all know that, at the very minimum, it will still have a graphical upgrade to put it above the PS3 version, even if it doesn't reach the Max Settings of the Remastered version. Not that it'd matter anyways, considering Skyrim's art style is filled with so many muted/darker colors that aren't hard to replicate in the first place...
Oooh how impressive! A console that released in 2017 gets a port of a 5 year old game and gets a slight graphical upgrade over a console that came out in 2000 f*cking 6!! You couldn't make this shit up! Omg.
@bigboss When you can shove a PS4 into a fucking tablet with no consequences, then you'll have the right to make fun of the Switch's hardware. Until then, you're just acting like a hater, one who's forgotten that, historically, the majority of the time, it was the weaker systems that have won their gens and still managed to come out with fantastic games.
@Wonderful you always use that defense that it was the weaker console that wins, you forget to include one major aspect. Game support, and while yes Switch does has support, it will not get anywhere the amount of support that PS4 and x1 are getting, why because of how underpowered it is for todays standards of gaming. When Zelda, a game developed for an even weaker prior generation is having issues with AA causing frame rate drops you have to wonder how Mass effect would be handling it, cyberpunk. You need to have the support of 3rd parties, and while Nintendo does have some support. its no where near what is neeeded to win. as for ps4 in a fucking tablet (aggressive much?) i'm still waiting for when Nintendo is gonna release a their version of a ps4 in a tablet, all we have right now is a thinner Wiiu with detachable controllers
What if Skyrim Switch has Zelda themed stuff in game? That would be awesome.
mods are wonderful
Licensed by Nintendo.
I don't think that particularly matters. I can run Skyrim with graphics mods on my $450 laptop. Anyone with a PC that has a sixth gen I5 can already pick up Skyrim for like $5 . . . and with mods it'd look better than the remastered version does anyway. That didn't stop people from buying the remastered version for consoles. Personally I have no interest in purchasing Skyrim for Switch, but that doesn't mean the remastered version for other consoles will stop other people from buying it.
people bought the remaster for mods, and i highly doubt nintendo will have mo support for their version
Good luck starving on Third party support. I think the Switch would suffer the same fate as the Wii U. Their Multiplayers and community are not even close to PSN and Xbox Live, which majority of the Third Party developers thrive.
Yep, can not wait to play Skyrim on the NX at 720p with emphasis on the last 2 digits (fps).
Certain people on this forum need to educate themselves, unreal 4 can run on switch, capcom are more than likely working on resi engine. And certainly try fast rmx on switch and tell me it's not a capable system. I have a PS4 also but don't kid yourself thinking it's the be all and end all of video gaming. The switch is a fantastic little system.
The vast majority of games today don't run on Unreal 4 engine. If I said more then 95 percent AREN'T on Unreal 4, I'm probably under counting it by quite a bit. That isn't going to change. Unreal 4 engine just isn't Unreal 3. Unreal 3 was everywhere in 360/PS3 era. Unreal 4 is barely used. If few games are made with it, why are people holding out so much hope that it somehow changes everything regarding 3rd party? Many of the major devs create their own engines, or utilize one of the other major engines. They aren't 'switching' to Unreal for their games because of Switch. Because of this, ANY game that they want to create on Switch HAS to fit what they are doing (power wise not very likely), or the Switch has to sell enough to engender confidence in those companies to make a 'special' version for Switch like Wii would get. Most of the 3rd party games we've seen so far are Wii U/PS3/360/Vita ports. Also just because an engine can run on it, doesn't mean a game made on it will work on Switch. Not every Unreal 4 game can run on Switch. Not every game that possibly can be, will be seen as profitable to do so, or that the performance/quality is ultimately something they want to put out. No one is saying Switch isn't marvelous for the niche it's going after, but it is not capable of being a full fledged console outside of Nintendo 1st party support, and even with that they have to make major performance compromises to get their own games running on it with dated graphics. Artstyle can make graphics that are technically inferior seem to punch above their weight, but there is still obvious differences between what was possible years ago on other devices, where we are headed, and what Switch will never be able to do.
Well SMT is on UE4 and most Square games are on UE4 now and both are supporting Switch. Nintendo is uing UE4 and have said they mastered it.
Think of it this way, Switch in undocked mode is about 75x less power then a top end video card (like say the 1080ti at 2000mhz) and that's during Switch's LAUNCH year (14.2 TFlops compared to 0.193), where is it going to be 2-3-5 years from now? 1/250th the power of the top end? 1/350th? 3rd parties will have issues with Switch, and already do. Right now there are games where even a PS4 Pro doesn't quite cut it. If you want 60FPS or other things, even PS4 Pro isn't enough power already. Now if Switch sells well, and that's still to be determined, some will make games specifically for Switch, but other then that it's Nintendo 1st party, indies, and Japanese 3rd party. For some, that's all they need, and if it is, great for them. But that's not where the public at large is, nor where the average $$$ spending gamer is at. PS4/PS4 Pro/XB1/Scorpio/and the always advancing PC games that come out on it are pushing the boundaries that make them harder to run on Switch with every game cycle they complete. It's not an all or nothing thing where one device is this or that. Nintendo contributes to gaming as well, it's just they are a small part of a much larger industry that has in many ways passed them by... so much so that Nintendo's plan is to make their console games on a handheld. It's not just the technology improved for them to do that, but also because they have fallen so far behind. Switch simply can't access much of that industry, but may get some support if it sells well in its niche area. It is fantastic for that niche, but the industry itself will never be confined to Switch. There's reasons why devs have mostly stopped supporting PS3/360, and at this point are going to be targeting PS4 Pro/Scorpio/PC while simply trying to get it to work decently on PS4/XB1. Switch is still closer to last gen, then to the 2013 devices, which are now being supplemented by 2016/2017 devices, and PS4 Pro isn't even mid-range for 2016.
my phone can run unreal 4 games too, doesn't mean i want to experience them on it
no your phone use unreal for mobile, the switch use unreal for consoles, try harder next time to troll
i never said it uses unreal for consoles, just that it can run unreal 4.
You're not even going to see the same amount of third party games on NS like you do on PS4
Lol this a stone cold fact and Nintendo fanboys are disagreeing. F*cking hilarious.
Since basically no third party triple AAA games will ever come to the Switch, there's basically nothing to debate.
Hope you eat crow
Already have when I bought the Wii U.
There is nothing to debate. Switch isn't getting third party games. Even the few its getting are either greatly delayed (Yooka Layle, Lego Worlds), or greatly delayed and completely inferior (Dragon Quest Heroes, Skyrim).
According to Wikipedia it has 148 games coming to it.
there is really no point in buying 3rd party titles on Switch if you have either the PS4 or Xbox One.
Unless you want to play them using a portable and don't want to use RemotePlay.....
and play a grossly inferior version when I can use a system that's almost 6 times more powerful? no thank you.
I really didn't like handheld gaming until my vita, so I see where this guy is coming from. I was waiting for handhelds to get to console level as far as games.
If they performance good enough and not a completely watered down version then why not? When undocked it is in 720, so I think devs with experience could optimize 3rd party games to work well with the system as the resolution is much smaller. Those saying it will look horrible and play terrible are probably the same people that get annoyed when PC gamers call console gamers peasants with the whole PC master race jibe, how ironic!
realistically it's only powered by stock Tegra x1, not even a custom one. the only third party support it'll get are from indies and a old game like Skyrim from six years ago.
You're assuming that the Switch will see substantial 3rd party support.
90 percent of the time when I'm on the go I'm not in any kind of situation to be gaming. I game at home in comfort. I'll take the graphically superior experience any time.
I've been feeling the same way since I got the Switch. The ability to take it out of the dock and pack it with me to work and enjoy Zelda on break has been huge to keeping me gaming more. I don't really think its comparable to video streaming with Remote Play. I love my Vita, but even right in my own house remote play is fairly skippy and compressed enough visually that its not really a substitute for the immediacy of dedicated on-hardware rendering. The PS4 Pro supporting 802.11n helps reduce compression and improve quality, but in my opinion it still isn't quite good enough. As for getting third party games on switch - It all depends on which third party games actually get Switch ports, which as of right now seems to be very few for the foreseeable future...
What third party games ?
The headline made me laugh my balls off. A Nintendo console being the go to console for 3rd party games? LMAO! I'm having heart palpitations from laughing so hard! Which 3rd party games exactly? Skyrim 360 version or fifa 12? Hahah
Every Nintendo handheld has has great 3rd party support and according to Wikipedia has 148 games coming to it. 5 Nintendo exclusive.
Third party games have to exist first, and even if they did, why? When you play them on PS4, do you say to yourself: "Wow, I wish this game had a lower resolution, lower frame rate, no anti-aliasing, bare minimum graphic settings! What would really top it off though, is the ability to play on a tiny screen!" To each their own I guess, lol.
Hmmmm....let's see... For me, the Switch has the appeal of gaming on the go with major titles, but that is offset by having to play those games on a tiny screen in low fidelity, with a (for my hands) uncomfortable controller when gaming for long sessions. I prefer playing on a large screen with a ps4/xbox controller, with games in better fidelity in comfort on my couch. So the Switch loses out in the end to comfort and my larger screens. Also....it is yet to be seen just exactly what kind of 3rd party support the Switch will get....it simply isn't powerful enough to run many of the titles from publishers being released in 2017...it has trouble running some of the titles from those same publishers from 2011, so........
WTH!!!! This could only be 3 things! 1) A April fools joke that's a week and a half early!? 2) A Nintendo fan pretending he's a PlayStation fan in disquise!? Or 3) A Xbox fan who just want's to see PlayStation and Nintendo fans duke it out while their waiting on Scorpio!?
It's hilarious. I actually couldn't stop laughing at the headline. That's how dumb it is. I'm still wheezing from the laughter.
@solokingxrobert Yea, this article has been very medicinal to me. Laughter is always good for you. If anyone is depressed, reading this headline will cure you instantly! Lmao. 3rd party games on switch over ps4? Hahaha
Dont they dare put their violent games on our kiddie console!
Anyone that buys nin is buying for nins games not really 3rd party imo.they have borderlands etc running on shield and if nin puts some if those on its switch,cool.but ill get a switch for its own franchise of games
Either do or don't.