How Forza overtook Need for Speed to become the world's biggest racing IP

Playground and Turn10 directors discuss where the series goes from here.

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TGGJustin398d ago

Where do these sites come up with this stuff? Forza franchise is only like 30 million sold if that. Gran Turismo is over 70 Million. So how is Forza the "World's Biggest Racing Franchise" exactly?

SardoNumspa398d ago

And that is with the Turn 10 clowns crapping out an endless stream of their GT wannabe junk while GT has only a couple games max each gen.

Septic398d ago

Lmao! Sure...the wannabe that surpassed what it wanted to be...a long time ago

GTgamer398d ago

Too bad it can't surpass it's sales

mozzie398d ago

calling turn 10 clowns and forza junk. wow. seriously? n4g is junk with it's sony addicted ps4 junkies.

FITgamer398d ago

Objectively GT is the biggest racer. No other franchise even comes close in sales. It also has a higher average Metacritic rating than Forza Motorsport.

Kingthrash360398d ago

Forza is good, horizon is great...turn 10 are a great Dev team.
That said, forza isnt the world's biggest racing matter how you spin it. The game releases every's the only racing game that releases every year. So many times it releases without competition and hasn't sold that well.
GT is a true racing sim. Forza is a hybrid arcade sim...FH is pure arcade....
Yet it's not bigger than say mariokart
Or bigger than that release years apart.
I just dislike when people force achievements on themselves.

InTheLab398d ago

Forza Isa great franchise that milks it's fan base with frequent releases but it is far from junk. A high quality racer that's been consistently good minus a few missteps like Forza 5 launching with zero improvements over 4 and less cars, tracks, etc.

GT, on the other hand has made more mistakes last gen the excusable. You'd all be jumping down throats at Turn 10 if Forza launched with minimal tuning and zero customization.

So while GT is sales King, Forza has long surpassed it in quality .

JackStraw398d ago

Septic, just stop dude. It's not even funny at this point.

_-EDMIX-_398d ago

@Septic- yes...its so good, people don't buy it.

I remember when MS was happy about Forza's life time sales.....then GT5 released and LITERALLY SOLD MORE UNITS THEN THE ENTIRE FORZA SERIES! lol

Sure bud.

If the game is good, racing fans would migrate over, sorry but its not happening with this series. Bi yearly is hurting this game and clearly Turn 10 isn't THAT good.

So its going to take them, what 7 or 8 games to get this correct or?

rocketpanda398d ago

Yay, GT fans get to play a GT games once every 5 - 10 years. To hell with Turn 10 filling in the gap..

I still remember them charging for GT prologue, a glorified demo.

As much as I love the GT series, the diehard Sonyboys are just sad. You only think one racing game can exist.

Haurus398d ago


About as much as CoD surpassed Madden.

Forza = Arcade
GT = Sim

Simply having cars in both games does not make them comparable.

GT also still sells far more than Forza, which shows the majority of people still prefer GT.

darthv72398d ago

I think you guys are missing something. While GT may be the overall leader in terms of "biggest racer"... THIS particular piece is about current trends. As in there is currently no GT game on the market for the 8th gen and Forza being bigger than Need for Speed in THIS time frame.

Now when GT7 (or GT Sport) releases THEN things will change but until such time you can't deny that Forza is the bigger of the two between NFS and Forza

XXanderXX398d ago

Sad you call them Clowns but yet GT had no problem hiring one of those clowns to work on the car sounds of GT. Some talented clowns am guessing.

Unspoken398d ago

Gran Turismo fans can't give credit to Forza Motorsport or Horizon?

Septic398d ago


Lmao. Go check the review scores and come back to me. Forza schooled GT a long time ago. Gt Sport looks great however.

"So its going to take them, what 7 or 8 games to get this correct or?"

😂 get what correct? Its the king of racers atm.

The fact that the guy avove calls Forza GT wannabe junk proves how much Forza hurts ps fanboys in the gut. Keep at it 😂

Forza is King of racers and has been for some time now. If GT Sport surpasses it then fair play. But for now...Playstation Nation better recognise 😎

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feju398d ago (Edited 398d ago )

Funny. So all these GT clowns still mad trolling Forza articles based on GT lifetime sales figure without admitting that it's way more popular just because it was sold & played for more than a decade before Forza?

TheCommentator398d ago


Enjoy playing those sales figures then... I'll be playing a better driving game on my Xbox.

BigWan78398d ago

And Gran Turismo has gotten progressively worse with each iteration...
Need for Speed not too far behind...

Gran Turismo 3 A-Spec was the last great Gran Turismo game...

They sold well because there was nothing else like it at the time.

GT5 and GT6 paled in comparison to Forza 5 alone... i wont even mention Forza 6...

specialguest398d ago (Edited 398d ago )

GT is that old lion that thinks he still rule the land, still telling old tales of victories from 10-20yrs past. GT has not been relevant for many years. You were the champ a long time ago, but due to being out of the game for long periods at a time, other franchises have passed you.

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SideNote398d ago (Edited 398d ago )

No, forza was amazing. But went way to casual. I think forza 4 hit its peak (not counting the amazing horizon games). But I'm now itching to get back onto GT SPORT when that's released. That looks sweet.

mcstorm398d ago

I think 6 is better than 3 which i think was the best one until 6 came along but horizon 3 is just another level to all racing games

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YAO-BLING398d ago

i let me 4 year old pick out either forza or gt after i let him see a couple of youtube videos.. he chose GT.. says the engine sounds like what a man would drive .. and forza sounds like what mom would drive.

Jon61586398d ago

O_____O There's so much wrong with this comment I'm flabbergasted.

TheCommentator398d ago

Yet GT hired the guy doing the audio for the old Forza games because their cars sound like tubas having sex with vacuum cleaners, but yeah, the discerning pallete of a 4 year old is the nail on the coffin for Forza...

Seriously, Polyphony could record your 4 year old imitating car engines and it would still sound better than anything GT has come up with so far.

Goldby397d ago


i know. no proper ellipsis, no capitals for I, and worst of all, it sounds like Yao-Bing's wife is having an affair.
Notice how his kid said man would drive and not dad would drive.

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VideoGameLab398d ago

You should actually read the article, its pretty good!. Also its about current IP. Aint no GT out this gen.

ForeverTheGoat398d ago (Edited 398d ago )

GT is meh now. Hasn't been all that great since 4. Forza has taken over as being the best racer.

bluefox755398d ago

I feel the same about Forza...hasn't been great since 4.

ForeverTheGoat398d ago

Reviews would suggest otherwise lol.

XanderZane397d ago

Forza has been king since Forza Motorsport 3 and Forza Horizon 2. Still waiting for GT to recover and give me something fresh and new besides getting licenses and doing driving tests.

Nu398d ago

Raphael the red ninja turtle is that you?

thisismyaccount398d ago

Outdated comparison between the most-known racing franchises .. in 2015 Forza reached 20mill. Doubt they´ve sold 10 mill. since then but if some have up2date data please let me know :)

1º Need for Speed at 150mill. sold copies
2º Mario Kart at 100mill. sold copies
3º Gran Turismo at 75mill.
4º PGR? Metropolis Racer / Forza

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dumahim398d ago

"Yay, GT fans get to play a GT games once every 5 - 10 years. To hell with Turn 10 filling in the gap.."

Yeah, too bad FM is getting stale. The single player campaign has had horrible track variety for many games now, and it just keeps getting worse. It's like an afterthought for them at this point.

Kribwalker398d ago

I'd call those PlayStation 2 car models in both GT games last gen stale. And the sounds were terrible, it was like they weren't even trying yet people ate it up

XanderZane398d ago (Edited 398d ago )

Forza sales have never been huge. Their games have a fateful following and usually sells between 3-6 million worldwide in their lifetime. GT has always had a bigger following since its release on the PS1, which is why it usually has more sales. Forza Motorsport and Forza Horizon 3 have been the best racing games this gen however. Games like The Crew, DriveClub, Need For Speed, Project Cars, etc.. have all gotten lower ratings compared to the Forza's best titles this gen. So no, it probably hasn't always outsold the competition, but it still has been the best racing IP this gen so far.

There are racing games that have sold more then GT. Let me know what GT game sold more then 35 million copies for one system. That's pretty much double what GT's best selling game sold.

Mystogan398d ago (Edited 398d ago )

Forza is a newer franchise. GT Existed for much longer. And forza games have consistently been better than GT Games. While newer GT games have been getting very poor scores.

Whether you like it or not. Forza is the biggest IP right now. Only blind PS fanboys can't accept that.

Goldby397d ago

Im sorry man,

GT has been around longer than Forza. Age of franchise will add to its fame and notoriety.
as you stated Froza is a newer IP, but it is also a very different sort of game.

GT is sim, Forza is Sim/arcade and FH is arcade. 3 different types of racing games and the people who are after those simulation games follow GT more than Forza.

When i talk about GT im talking about the spirit of racing and cars in general. take forza motorsport 6's opening cinematics. you have kids playing on the playground, 2 guys fighting, a chicka nd guy make out and some skateboarders with scenes of a circuit race cut inbetween.
GT5 opening cinematics is the entire process for making not only gasoline, but also building a car.

Forza is about competition between players, GT is about Racing cars.

Bruh398d ago


The only viable comparison at this point is GT6 vs FM6 and FM6 is eons ahead of it in terms of realism. Not a fair comparison in anyway for sure, but Turn 10's engine is fantastic and aside from Force Feedback and over/under steer not being replicated accurately its very simulator like. GT and Forza are both Sim-cade in comparison to the likes of PC, iRacing etc.

Goldby397d ago

you cant exactly say simulator like when it has issues with understeeer and oversteer.

if the cars aren't simulated properly, its not a simulation. might as well call Mario Kart a sim racer as well at that point

Bruh397d ago


Missed the point, the issue isn't there aren't oversteer and understeer, its that overseer is way too easy to correct and same with understeer. The game mimics suspension physics just fine, it just simplifies handling understeer and oversteer.

Goldeneye007398d ago

How? Blissful ignorance, lol! Gran Turismo is the big dog in the racing IP fight.

rocketpanda398d ago

GT first came out in 1997, Forza in 2005, of course it will have more total sales. How about looking up the numbers from 2005 to the current day? You'll find [spoilers] has sold more in the same time.

Goldby397d ago

Sales Since 2005
Forza Motorsport - 1.05
Forza 2 - 4.05
Forza 3 - 5.49
Forza 4 - 4.57
Forza 5 - 2.28
Forza 6 - 1.98
Total - 19.42M copies avg 3.23 Million units sold per iteration

Sales since 2004 GT
GT4 - 11.66
GT 5 Prologue - 4.19
GT5 - 10.70
GT6 - ~2Million

So while convient that you chose to include all of Forza's life but only the last 10 years of GT, i hope you didn't mind that included 2004 in the sales. and while yes you are correct, all of Forza has sold 3 million more units than GT 5 Prologue through 6.

GT is still the buigger franchise, the better race and the more successful brand.

and before you shoot down the last comment with the numbers for GT6, that was a bad call to release just for ps3 when ps4 was already out

kevnb397d ago (Edited 397d ago )

not to mention need for speed is over 150 million, if we are talking sales.

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christocolus398d ago

Both Greenawalt and Hartman say the introduction of Playground has changed things entirely for Forza. It was Turn 10's idea to develop a Forza spin-off franchise, and they had clear ideas over what that might look like, but then Playground went off and delivered something altogether more unexpected.

And this relationship is different to how, say, the Call of Duty teams work together. Those studios report to Activision, whereas Playground report into Turn 10. As a result they share ideas, technology and even processes.

"It is not your typical publisher/developer relationship because Turn 10 is a developer as well," Raeburn says. "We speak the same language. We work with the same tech base."

Hartman then adds: "You wouldn't believe that these two teams are half a world apart."

Interesting article. Nice to see both teams work closely together on everything. FH3 is truly an amazing open world racing game. The fact that Playground Games reports to T10 and not MS is surprising and after seeing the beautiful open world created in FH3 It's no surprise to see them working on an open world game next. I can't wait to see what they have planned next for Forza Horizon and the new ip.

Septic398d ago

Absolutely. If we get something that manages to be better than FH3.....shieee....

christocolus398d ago (Edited 398d ago )

Damn. That would be something. Playground Games and T10 are super talented devs. Other MS studios could learn a few things from them.

LordoftheCritics398d ago

I don't know how they can top FH3 but if they do then dayuuuu...

mcstorm398d ago

For me you can see how forza has come on this gen in both ms and horizon. I'm a big racing fan and for any racing fan these to games are not to miss games and part of the reason i still don't have a ps4 as i love my racers and not to many to pick from on Sony's console at the moment. GT is looking promising though as i went off it at 5 and skipped 6 due to moving to next gen.

ThatGuyDart398d ago

Forza nor Need For Speed were never the world's largest racing ip. Gran Turismo has had that title for nearly two decades.

RememberThe357398d ago

Don't bring all those facts in here. This is a Forza circle jerk, damn it!

MecheSlays398d ago

Forza definitely is the best though. My opinion

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neoandrew398d ago

Well now NFS is by far the biggest with 150 mln sold.

XanderZane397d ago

Need For Speed is probably the biggest. It goes back to 1993. This database doesn't even show all the sales numbers for all the NFS games.

Mario Kart is most likely 2nd then.

neoandrew397d ago

Wiki says nfs 150 mln, GT ~ 70 mln, so it is about right i guess.

But nfs are now considered "crap games" so days of glory had passed.

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LordoftheCritics398d ago (Edited 398d ago )

Yup Forza is the best Racer. Motorsport and Horizon both take the top spot.

Nothing comes close.

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