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How Forza overtook Need for Speed to become the world's biggest racing IP

Playground and Turn10 directors discuss where the series goes from here.

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TGGJustin272d ago

Where do these sites come up with this stuff? Forza franchise is only like 30 million sold if that. Gran Turismo is over 70 Million. So how is Forza the "World's Biggest Racing Franchise" exactly?

SardoNumspa272d ago

And that is with the Turn 10 clowns crapping out an endless stream of their GT wannabe junk while GT has only a couple games max each gen.

Septic272d ago

Lmao! Sure...the wannabe that surpassed what it wanted to be...a long time ago

GTgamer272d ago

@septic
Too bad it can't surpass it's sales

mozzie272d ago

calling turn 10 clowns and forza junk. wow. seriously? n4g is junk with it's sony addicted ps4 junkies.

FITgamer272d ago

Objectively GT is the biggest racer. No other franchise even comes close in sales. It also has a higher average Metacritic rating than Forza Motorsport.

Kingthrash360272d ago

Forza is good, horizon is great...turn 10 are a great Dev team.
That said, forza isnt the world's biggest racing ip...no matter how you spin it. The game releases every year...it's the only racing game that releases every year. So many times it releases without competition and hasn't sold that well.
GT is a true racing sim. Forza is a hybrid arcade sim...FH is pure arcade....
Yet it's not bigger than say mariokart
Or bigger than GT.....games that release years apart.
I just dislike when people force achievements on themselves.

InTheLab272d ago

Forza Isa great franchise that milks it's fan base with frequent releases but it is far from junk. A high quality racer that's been consistently good minus a few missteps like Forza 5 launching with zero improvements over 4 and less cars, tracks, etc.

GT, on the other hand has made more mistakes last gen the excusable. You'd all be jumping down throats at Turn 10 if Forza launched with minimal tuning and zero customization.

So while GT is sales King, Forza has long surpassed it in quality .

JackStraw272d ago

Septic, just stop dude. It's not even funny at this point.

_-EDMIX-_272d ago

@Septic- yes...its so good, people don't buy it.

I remember when MS was happy about Forza's life time sales.....then GT5 released and LITERALLY SOLD MORE UNITS THEN THE ENTIRE FORZA SERIES! lol

Sure bud.

If the game is good, racing fans would migrate over, sorry but its not happening with this series. Bi yearly is hurting this game and clearly Turn 10 isn't THAT good.

So its going to take them, what 7 or 8 games to get this correct or?

rocketpanda272d ago

Yay, GT fans get to play a GT games once every 5 - 10 years. To hell with Turn 10 filling in the gap..

I still remember them charging for GT prologue, a glorified demo.

As much as I love the GT series, the diehard Sonyboys are just sad. You only think one racing game can exist.

Haurus272d ago

@Septic:

About as much as CoD surpassed Madden.

Forza = Arcade
GT = Sim

Simply having cars in both games does not make them comparable.

GT also still sells far more than Forza, which shows the majority of people still prefer GT.

darthv72272d ago

I think you guys are missing something. While GT may be the overall leader in terms of "biggest racer"... THIS particular piece is about current trends. As in there is currently no GT game on the market for the 8th gen and Forza being bigger than Need for Speed in THIS time frame.

Now when GT7 (or GT Sport) releases THEN things will change but until such time you can't deny that Forza is the bigger of the two between NFS and Forza

XXanderXX272d ago

Sad you call them Clowns but yet GT had no problem hiring one of those clowns to work on the car sounds of GT. Some talented clowns am guessing.

Unspoken272d ago

Gran Turismo fans can't give credit to Forza Motorsport or Horizon?

Septic272d ago

@Edmix

Lmao. Go check the review scores and come back to me. Forza schooled GT a long time ago. Gt Sport looks great however.

"So its going to take them, what 7 or 8 games to get this correct or?"

😂 get what correct? Its the king of racers atm.

The fact that the guy avove calls Forza GT wannabe junk proves how much Forza hurts ps fanboys in the gut. Keep at it 😂

Forza is King of racers and has been for some time now. If GT Sport surpasses it then fair play. But for now...Playstation Nation better recognise 😎

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feju272d ago (Edited 272d ago )

Funny. So all these GT clowns still mad trolling Forza articles based on GT lifetime sales figure without admitting that it's way more popular just because it was sold & played for more than a decade before Forza?

TheCommentator272d ago

@GT

Enjoy playing those sales figures then... I'll be playing a better driving game on my Xbox.

BigWan78272d ago

And Gran Turismo has gotten progressively worse with each iteration...
Need for Speed not too far behind...

Gran Turismo 3 A-Spec was the last great Gran Turismo game...

They sold well because there was nothing else like it at the time.

GT5 and GT6 paled in comparison to Forza 5 alone... i wont even mention Forza 6...

specialguest272d ago (Edited 272d ago )

GT is that old lion that thinks he still rule the land, still telling old tales of victories from 10-20yrs past. GT has not been relevant for many years. You were the champ a long time ago, but due to being out of the game for long periods at a time, other franchises have passed you.

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SideNote272d ago (Edited 272d ago )

No, forza was amazing. But went way to casual. I think forza 4 hit its peak (not counting the amazing horizon games). But I'm now itching to get back onto GT SPORT when that's released. That looks sweet.

mcstorm272d ago

I think 6 is better than 3 which i think was the best one until 6 came along but horizon 3 is just another level to all racing games

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YAO-BLING272d ago

i let me 4 year old pick out either forza or gt after i let him see a couple of youtube videos.. he chose GT.. says the engine sounds like what a man would drive .. and forza sounds like what mom would drive.

Jon61586272d ago

O_____O There's so much wrong with this comment I'm flabbergasted.

TheCommentator272d ago

Yet GT hired the guy doing the audio for the old Forza games because their cars sound like tubas having sex with vacuum cleaners, but yeah, the discerning pallete of a 4 year old is the nail on the coffin for Forza...

Seriously, Polyphony could record your 4 year old imitating car engines and it would still sound better than anything GT has come up with so far.

Goldby272d ago

@Jon

i know. no proper ellipsis, no capitals for I, and worst of all, it sounds like Yao-Bing's wife is having an affair.
Notice how his kid said man would drive and not dad would drive.

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VideoGameLab272d ago

You should actually read the article, its pretty good!. Also its about current IP. Aint no GT out this gen.

ForeverTheGoat272d ago (Edited 272d ago )

GT is meh now. Hasn't been all that great since 4. Forza has taken over as being the best racer.

bluefox755272d ago

I feel the same about Forza...hasn't been great since 4.

ForeverTheGoat272d ago

Reviews would suggest otherwise lol.

XanderZane272d ago

Forza has been king since Forza Motorsport 3 and Forza Horizon 2. Still waiting for GT to recover and give me something fresh and new besides getting licenses and doing driving tests.

Nu272d ago

Raphael the red ninja turtle is that you?

thisismyaccount272d ago

Outdated comparison between the most-known racing franchises .. in 2015 Forza reached 20mill. Doubt they´ve sold 10 mill. since then but if some have up2date data please let me know :)

http://imgur.com/NMUNIxx

1º Need for Speed at 150mill. sold copies
2º Mario Kart at 100mill. sold copies
3º Gran Turismo at 75mill.
4º PGR? Metropolis Racer / Forza

XMessiah23x272d ago

one game every decade means its a franchise that will never be best in racing.

Goldby272d ago

Quantity doesn't equal Quality.

didn't your mother teach you anything when you were little?

dumahim272d ago

@rocketpanda
"Yay, GT fans get to play a GT games once every 5 - 10 years. To hell with Turn 10 filling in the gap.."

Yeah, too bad FM is getting stale. The single player campaign has had horrible track variety for many games now, and it just keeps getting worse. It's like an afterthought for them at this point.

Kribwalker272d ago

I'd call those PlayStation 2 car models in both GT games last gen stale. And the sounds were terrible, it was like they weren't even trying yet people ate it up

XanderZane272d ago (Edited 272d ago )

Forza sales have never been huge. Their games have a fateful following and usually sells between 3-6 million worldwide in their lifetime. GT has always had a bigger following since its release on the PS1, which is why it usually has more sales. Forza Motorsport and Forza Horizon 3 have been the best racing games this gen however. Games like The Crew, DriveClub, Need For Speed, Project Cars, etc.. have all gotten lower ratings compared to the Forza's best titles this gen. So no, it probably hasn't always outsold the competition, but it still has been the best racing IP this gen so far.

@FITgamer
There are racing games that have sold more then GT. Let me know what GT game sold more then 35 million copies for one system. That's pretty much double what GT's best selling game sold.

http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

Mystogan272d ago (Edited 272d ago )

Forza is a newer franchise. GT Existed for much longer. And forza games have consistently been better than GT Games. While newer GT games have been getting very poor scores.

Whether you like it or not. Forza is the biggest IP right now. Only blind PS fanboys can't accept that.

Goldby272d ago

Im sorry man,

GT has been around longer than Forza. Age of franchise will add to its fame and notoriety.
as you stated Froza is a newer IP, but it is also a very different sort of game.

GT is sim, Forza is Sim/arcade and FH is arcade. 3 different types of racing games and the people who are after those simulation games follow GT more than Forza.

When i talk about GT im talking about the spirit of racing and cars in general. take forza motorsport 6's opening cinematics. you have kids playing on the playground, 2 guys fighting, a chicka nd guy make out and some skateboarders with scenes of a circuit race cut inbetween.
GT5 opening cinematics is the entire process for making not only gasoline, but also building a car.

Forza is about competition between players, GT is about Racing cars.

Bruh272d ago

@kingtrash

The only viable comparison at this point is GT6 vs FM6 and FM6 is eons ahead of it in terms of realism. Not a fair comparison in anyway for sure, but Turn 10's engine is fantastic and aside from Force Feedback and over/under steer not being replicated accurately its very simulator like. GT and Forza are both Sim-cade in comparison to the likes of PC, iRacing etc.

Goldby272d ago

you cant exactly say simulator like when it has issues with understeeer and oversteer.

if the cars aren't simulated properly, its not a simulation. might as well call Mario Kart a sim racer as well at that point

Bruh271d ago

@Goldby

Missed the point, the issue isn't there aren't oversteer and understeer, its that overseer is way too easy to correct and same with understeer. The game mimics suspension physics just fine, it just simplifies handling understeer and oversteer.

Goldeneye007272d ago

How? Blissful ignorance, lol! Gran Turismo is the big dog in the racing IP fight.

rocketpanda272d ago

GT first came out in 1997, Forza in 2005, of course it will have more total sales. How about looking up the numbers from 2005 to the current day? You'll find [spoilers] has sold more in the same time.

Goldby272d ago

Sales Since 2005
Forza Motorsport - 1.05
Forza 2 - 4.05
Forza 3 - 5.49
Forza 4 - 4.57
Forza 5 - 2.28
Forza 6 - 1.98
Total - 19.42M copies avg 3.23 Million units sold per iteration

Sales since 2004 GT
GT4 - 11.66
GT 5 Prologue - 4.19
GT5 - 10.70
GT6 - ~2Million

So while convient that you chose to include all of Forza's life but only the last 10 years of GT, i hope you didn't mind that included 2004 in the sales. and while yes you are correct, all of Forza has sold 3 million more units than GT 5 Prologue through 6.

GT is still the buigger franchise, the better race and the more successful brand.

and before you shoot down the last comment with the numbers for GT6, that was a bad call to release just for ps3 when ps4 was already out

kevnb271d ago (Edited 271d ago )

not to mention need for speed is over 150 million, if we are talking sales.

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Ghost_of_Tsushima272d ago

"How Forza overtook Need for Speed to become the world's biggest racing IP"

Biggest racing IP? I'm pretty sure GT is by far the biggest.

Septic272d ago

In terms of sales....yes

Liqu1d272d ago

Sales are the only thing that determines what the biggest racing IP is genius. COD isn't the biggest shooter because of metacritic, it's because of sales.

I'm glad you can admit GT is the biggest racing IP.

Septic272d ago

Nice mature response there.

"I'm glad you can admit GT is the biggest racing IP."

Im glad it pleases you so much

GTgamer272d ago

@Septic um to be the biggest wouldn't it also have to have the highest sales or does logic always go over your head :/

darthv72272d ago

you seem offended by Septic's response. Want to talk about it?

neoandrew272d ago

Nope, NFS has 150 mln and is by far the biggest.

freshslicepizza272d ago

gt is still the bigger seller but then again the wii outsold the ps3 and xbox 360 last generation, just sayin'.

Liqu1d272d ago

@Septic The last thing you should be talking about is maturity but it's clear you had no counter.

@darthv72 I'm offended by his lack of common sense.

@moldybread Your point? I've never said the Wii wasn't the best selling last gen console. What an irrelevant comment.

freshslicepizza272d ago

the point is sales dont always depict quality

Liqu1d272d ago

@moldybread Quality is irrelevant, sales are the only thing that determines the biggest IPs. You don't think the Wii was a quality system but 100 million people still bought it whether you like it or not, it was the best selling last gen console.

IGiveHugs2NakedWomen271d ago

Gran Turismo is and has been the largest, most well known, and most followed racing franchise in console gaming. The author needs to change the title to; "How Forza surpassed Need for Speed as the number 1 racing game on Xbox platforms."

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moegooner88272d ago (Edited 272d ago )

GT worst selling main entry sold on par with Forza's best selling one. There is no discussion about which is the bigger IP.

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neoandrew272d ago

Yes, it is NFS, 150 mln sold.

Pancit_Canton272d ago (Edited 272d ago )

@Liqu1d

I think you just owned, rekt, B slapped Septic at the same time.lol

XanderZane271d ago (Edited 271d ago )

Since sales is the only thing that matter to Liqu1d and both Mario Kart and Need For Speed beat GT in sales by over 30 million, let's see how he responds?

Also, sales are not the only thing that matters. There are many niche games that don't even sell over 2 million copies, but are award winning games like Ori and the Blind Forest, Ni No Kuni, Valkyria Chronicles, etc.. So it's not just about sales.

@neoandrew
Actually it's Mario Kart, Need For Speed and then GT. No, sales aren't the only thing that matters. A games rating, quality and overall enjoyment is also extremely important. Forza has won in those categories this gen so far.

neoandrew272d ago

Nope, NFS is at 150 mln and is by far the biggest.

BlackTar187272d ago

So what metric we using? I see above sales then i see these comments and it's obvius sales can't be it yet you get disagrees.

So is it Sales? Is it Metacritic? Whatever it is Forza isn't the leader in either so i'm a bit confused.

neoandrew272d ago (Edited 272d ago )

According to liquid "Sales are the only thing that determines what the biggest racing IP is genius. "

And he is right i think.

But yes, forza is not the top either, its nfs and then GT.

Liqu1d272d ago

You're right, NFS has higher sales.

XanderZane271d ago (Edited 271d ago )

@Liqu1d, Septic, GTgamer

Actually Mario Kart has sold more copies then GT. Just one of their games have sold over 35 million on one platform. So when it comes to sales Nintendo's Mario Kart has GT beat by a large amount. You may want to do some research next time

http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

Gran Turismo is behind by about 30 million.

http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

Forza has been the biggest racing IP this generation in term of ratings and quality. That's just the facts. Fanboys will never agree because they are "fanboys" and don't like to lose. Polyphony will have a chance to redeem themselves when GT Sport is released. I hope it's better then GT6.

Even Need For Speeds franchise beat GT. - http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...