Rich at GameSpew: Look, I’d be blinkered if I didn’t acknowledge that Mass Effect: Andromeda has issues, but the animation isn’t something you should get hung up about.
I thought for something to have "haters" it had to be so good people hated it for being good. ME Andromeda is not that.
Lol from a hater's perspective.
There's really nothing to hate, the game is average it speaks for itself. Nothing to see here.
2pac, Have you played it? How do you know the game is average? Do you let other people make your decisions and opinions for you? Are you a sheep?
I actually played it on Origin Access, but lets just all ignore all the reviews because it's Mass Effect and blindly purchase the game and support the shitty developers. Maybe if EA took the time and hired experienced people instead of Cosplay's and racists then it would have been as good as the the original trilogy.
If you don't want to purchase the game then don't. Sure I'd like a 10 out of 10 score but of the criticisms I have read so far none of them deter me from playing the game. Might I be disappointed in some aspects? Maybe, but that is for me to find out.
Or a religious zealots perspective. Amirite EDMIX? That's what you called me yesterday. And a 'fanatic' because I like the older Mass Effect games. Here's what I can't reconcile in my head. You call me a religious zealot and fanatic because I like the older games, but here you are acting in the same way, about a game in the same damn series, which you haven't actually played. I have played it. It's not very good. Is it the worst thing ever? No, of course not, but honestly, if this is the game you are drawing a line in the sand for, it just makes you look a bit silly. And I don't know about you EDMIX, but I normally expect a big game like this to have some level of polish to it. This game has none. And that isn't hyperbole, it genuinely has no polish anywhere. This game was never ready to go gold and it is a prime example of how having enough time is vital in game development. But keep defending it, and then when the next EA published mess comes out, you'll only have yourself to blame.
Did you finish the game 2pacalypsenow? Follow what you herd! https://cdn.meme.am/cache/i...
@pin- that's nice.
Don't have to finish it to base an opinion.
@2pac- well I definitely agree with that statement simply because we don't really know what you were looking to play from the game. You might have seen enough features that you are excited about not returning to the game or not done properly in your opinion to make a decision and quite frankly that's fair and up to you.
Yeah, Zelda is a great game, not a perfect 10 but its a great game.
I know right. What's funny is that Zelda's in going to win 2017 GOTY but people still will be in denial and going to keep hating.
I think RDR2 may have something to say about that ShadowKnight. But it will be close. HZD, Nier, Nioh, Zelda, Torment, and soon Persona 5. What a great start to the year.
I would actually argue (based on the trial admittedly) that the combat in andromeda is the best in the series. From what I've seen of facial animations and characters so far it's a mixed bag but it leans towards being the worst in the series. Could be proven wrong though. I'll have to wait until I complete the full game.
The problem is "Having the best combat in the series" doesn't mean much when that's not what the series was famous for. The combat gameplay may be better; but it isn't better than MGS, Battlefield, Horizon, or Nier -> And those are the games it is competing with if that's all ME is anymore.
You thought wrong.
The internet and journalists made up their mind months ago. No gameplay footage thus it must be terrible. Turns out the gameplay trailers came out and looked great. Now we are moving on to facial animations as a basis for a good game. I mean.. the animations are terrible, but that can't ruin a whole game
Since when did haters need an excuse to hate!?😂
Bingo! If anything this game has gotten mountain loads of pitty points. I have seen numerous reviews where all they do say how terrible it is, and then they give it a 7 or 8. BS! Literally everything that made the Original Trilogy great is absent from this game. What's left is a mediocre action shooter-rpg with open-world elements, and some LIMITED story decisions. Horizon has better decision making components, and they don't even market that part of the game.
Anyone that says "Haters gon' hate" doesn't deserve to have their opinion respected. I'm sick of people using those words to discredit genuine opinions, it's childish.
It's ironic, obviously.
I think it used to be. Now it is just the easy way to dismiss anyone with criticism of something.
Wants to support opinions begins bashing other people's opinions 🤔🤔🤔
@ EDMIX Saying "haters gon' hate" is not an opinion, it's a statement, and a stupid one too. Anybody who uses these words in a sentence sounds like a moron.
Too bad. Fanboys do exist. Hate bandwagons do exist. I'm not going to pretend they don't just to avoid offending your delicate sensibilities. I'm not going to stop calling it out when I see it. None of the haters respect anybody else's opinion, so why should anybody respect theirs? Those that gave the game high scores are derided and anyone that says anything positive about the game are attacked. If it was really all about genuine disappointment then that's what we would see. Gamers would be expressing their personal likes and dislikes about the game but there would be mutual respect for the plurality of tastes and perspectives on the game. Instead we see one group trying to forcefully shove their opinions down everyone else's throat. Positive reviews are ignored or attacked and all kinds of ridiculous claims about those reviewers being bought off are thrown around. I'm not saying the game is perfect and doesn't deserve criticisms in certain areas. I'm certainly disappointed with some aspects of the game. I'm just opposed to this group think, overly negative attitude about the game, whereby the game is portrayed as completely terrible, insufferable garbage and anyone who likes it is a sheep or a shill.
Agreed and Agreed! Remember when the mob came out to bash Witcher 3 on their whole "downgrade gate" bs and you and I along with a small few where the only ones basically saying to calm down, its still a game? Folks, I get games can have issues, but some of the people on here I don't think ever had real plans to buy this game if the animations were enough to stop them from buying.
Yeah, I do remember that. I just don't understand why things tend to be so overblown in the gaming community. It seems a lot of people suffer from black-or-white thinking. Everything's either the greatest thing ever or it's worthless trash that nobody should play. And why is everything a damn competition? It's like people have to pick games to hate in order to like others. You see this all the time. They bring up Cyberpunk 2077, The Witcher 3 or Horizon and act like those games are the second coming, while Mass Effect Andromeda is painted as an utterly horrible game that nobody could possibly enjoy. I mean, I really like those games (or probably will, in the case of Cyberpunk 2077), but I don't need to hate MEA in order to enjoy them.
Especially since the game's hardly a critical disaster. It's got a 75 on metacritic, which seems fair considering the issues. People have this idea that anything below an 85 is some sort of disaster or something. Generally even a 60 is enjoyable, but flawed.
I completely agree Sega. I feel the same way. Reminds me of other times people have used a catchy saying to discredit the truth. "Fake news" comes to mind because it's used a lot these days, but there have been so many more over the years
You hate us cause you ain't us
Genuine opinion is not fact. Most here are taking it as such.
Good to hear
There are always people that enjoy bad games, just like there will always be people who don't like games that don't like games that receive universal acclaim.
Your words betray your bias. You act like it is objectively and factually a "bad game" and imply that anybody that likes it is some kind of oddball. The reality is that reviews are subjective. Tastes and opinions always vary on any game. On some games opinions vary more than on others. In the case of Mass Effect Andromeda there is nothing that we can reasonably call a "consensus". Opinions are all over the map, from mediocre to excellent. I recognize that some people had enough issues with the game that they didn't enjoy it very much. Will you recognize that some people like what the game offers and enjoy it a lot? Or are you and your ilk going to go on pretending that the majority of reviewers thought it was terrible and anybody that thinks otherwise is some kind of sheep or "Biodrone" that should be ostracized?
A story driven RPG that fails to have a good story and straight up isn't an RPG. Yeah. Objectively bad.
"There are always people that enjoy bad games" No, there will always be people that enjoy games that others think are bad games. If you enjoy it, it can't be a "bad game" based on.....well you enjoy it lol Star is correct. Bad is a matter of subject opinion.
You can sell your own beautifully painted sh!7 on a stick. Someone somewhere will buy it, and love how it makes their room look and smell. It is what it it is.
Here's the thing... you change too much of what made a game good and liked by many, this is usually the reception you'll get. Why they didn't just make a Mass Effect 4 is beyond me, but let this be a lesson for devs that want to take an established franchise and frankenstein it.
I hate you Gimme the game
Cyberpunk 2077 will crush this pathetic excuse of a game and CD will be the new king of RPGs. It's the end of an era for Bioware, and the start of a new one for CDPR. Nothing you can do about that, EA!!
Sure and Zelda is eating this game alive too Strangely enough some people want to play a space opera rpg/action game TPS though
And when exactly is Cyberpunk 2077 coming out? Probably Fall 2018 at the earliest.. in fact, the only thing we'll likely hear of it this year is an inevitable "Gaming no-shows of E3 2017" article. Let's reserve that excitement for a more realistic time frame.
Wasn't that announced like 4-5 years ago? And we STILL haven't seen anything about it? Until they announce details, I don't know why anyone would be calling it "The new king of RPGs."
Persona 5 pretty much over any game right now. Literally any game besides maybe Cyberpunk haha.
Looking forward to playing this game :)
Every year there 1 or 2 games that get hated on, or praised by everyone. That I completely disagree with. I have a feeling I'm going to love this mass effect.
I played the trial through ea access and I liked it. I found myself running around this games version of the citadel talking to everyone picking up all the side quests exploring every crevasse. Yea it's not as deep as the original trilogy or KotOR and the game looks like it needs more development time. But it's still fun
I hate that I have to save my money, but I shall!!
Something has to he hated for that to apply. This game has a 75 on Metacritic. That is something that is liked, cretin.
Mass Effect: 89 Mass Effect 2: 94 Mass Effect 3: 89 and... Mass Effect Andromeda: 75 It's not a terrible score, but it's also not living up to the standard set by previous entries. It's a big disappointment.
Well I'm not sure that Metacritic tells the whole story I'm actually quite surprised that the first and third Mass Effect share the same Metacritic I actually prefer the sequels to Mass Effect than the first one. I know lots of people hide lots of criticisms about the ending in Mass Effect 3 , i largely didn't really care I'm more so in there for the experience.
Me 1 was my favorite. It was more similar to KotOR with the rpg side of things. They gutted the skill tree in 2 and brought it back a little in 3
.......so? It is 75. Past games scoring higher than the 4th entry means nothing. The way those silly websites work is that anything ovee 59 = good. 75 is good.
Just means your standards are low.
The game is flawed but I am enjoyin it so far. Not going to buy it, I'm skint anyway, but going to rent it. This is the first Mass Effect I've got more than 2 or 3 hours into, I played the first about 6 years too late and couldn't get into it.
I don't 'hate' ME: A. I just don't think it's particularly good either, and for all of our communities bluster about punishing bad publishers and their antics, it is sad to see so many willing to buy something that is frankly subpar for a triple A game. It has no polish. None. But what do I know. It's much easier to dismiss legitimate criticism by saying I am hater. And all of the reviewers must be haters as well right. I mean it isn't like their criticisms are all lining up in perfect unison or anything. Buy Nier instead, that's a game that deserves your $60.
No, you're not a hater because there are aspects of the game you don't like or because you generally don't like what you've seen or played of the game. That's all fine. The problem arises because you guys are being intellectually dishonest and insist on stating your opinions as if they were universal facts. You make all kinds of extreme claims, such as the game has "no polish". I simply don't agree with that. I see aspects, like the facial animations, that lack polish, but I also see aspects like the combat that seem to be quite polished and much improved over the previous games. To say the game has no polish seems hyperbolic to the extreme. Games are comprised of thousands of aspects, how can you claim that not a single one of those things is done well? After that you ask whether all reviewers must be haters too. Which, again, is just you trying to pretend that all reviewers dislike the game. That's very far from the truth and you know it. And as for all the criticisms lining up? No, they don't. They absolutely don't. Some love the combat, some don't. Some say the voice acting is generally great and some are more critical of it. I could go on with plenty of other examples and if you force me to I could back it all up with quotes from the reviews, but what a waste of time. Why can't you guys be honest? I'd say that about the only criticism that there seems to be something approaching a consensus on are the facial animations. That's also one I happen to agree with. BUT how much weight is given to that factor is ultimately subjective and is going to vary from person to person. Thus the widely varying review scores. Lastly, you say that Nier is a game that deserves our $60. But that, too, is you pretending that your opinions are facts and that we all must think the same way. Nier isn't going to appeal to everyone. Not everyone is going to feel it's worth spending $60 on.
Look, I know you don't like it (I get it, I wanted this to be excellent) but the game is shoddy. About the only thing this game gets right is performance on a good gfx card (maintains 60fps pretty well). But when I am running around the threshold of a door and characters are vanishing and reappearing again then it is evident that there are massive issues. When the main characters armour textures and the textures of the cover I am behind have to be loaded in again after aiming down a scope it is evident there are massive issues. Hell, sometimes characters don't appear at all. Or sometimes they appear in each other. The amount of examples I can come up with after just playing for 9 hours is way over quadruple the amount of issues I had in 50 hours with HZD. It's very simple. Not a single one of the elements in this game feels like it has received any polish at all. You might think I am being hyperbolic but that is the way this game feels. It feels like it was just thrown out of the door the second it was kind of playable with a 'that'll do' attitude. And yes, maybe I went a bit ott with regards to the reviews, but we are talking about over 20 reviews here that all pick up on these problems. If you want me to be honest, it is the worst example of a so called 'AAA' game I have played recently (a close run thing with Mafia 3 which was also a mess on release) and I couldn't recommend to anyone I know. It doesn't feel finished. It feels like an October release that has come out in March to fill in the fact that EA has nothing on their slate for this early in the year. That time could have made this so much better, but alas, here we are. That had five years for this, and this is what they come out with. I don't know what else to say. In this day and age, ME:A sticks out as a game that was not ready to ship. If you enjoy it, good for you, but if we allow publishers to keep doing this, it is just going to get worse and worse and worse. And there you go, that is me being honest about the game based on 9 hours and a few minutes. Oh, and Nier is truly fresh and unique and I would encourage everyone that thinks of themselves as a gamer to try it out.
You're not really being called a hater because you don't wish to purchase it the problem comes from quotes like this "it is sad to see so many willing to buy something that is frankly subpar for a triple A game" If you don't like the game that's completely fine no one's forcing you to or putting a gun to your head or anything like that please stop demonizing that users that choose to purchase this game that is their choice just as much as it's your choice to not purchase. That's like me saying. "it is sad to see so many willing to not buy something that is frankly a classic triple A game" Do not understand the problem with such a statement? You're basically expressing how hurtful it is for you to hear somebody having their own free will. So basically you would be happy if I sided with you regardless of what I wanted? Consider I'm not asking you to do such a thing. You could have your opinion just as much as I could have mine but please let it remain at that , simply our opinions not trying to make it sound as if there's a right or wrong. You either buy it or you don't , but please stop trying to make it sound as if there's something wrong with either decision. There's nothing "sad" about free well, the only sad thing are those that wish such a thing to be restricted in favor of their own bias. "that's a game that deserves your $60" Smh. This is what I'm talking about , that decision relies solely on the consumer NOT YOU, you do not dictate that. You'll never find me telling consumers what they "deserve" to spend THEIR money on or what is "sad" in regards to free well you're never going to see me make those statements I'm sorry but you need to find a way to express your opinion without trying to force it upon users on this site as a right or wrong. There is no "sad" and no "deserves" what you're referring to is subjective , it is not an objective concept. I'm not sure who you think you are to be telling consumers what they "deserve" to be spending their money on that is technically they're right not yours. So you're telling me this entire time you were just salty that people were buying what they liked with their own money? Smh....
'I'm not sure who you think you are to be telling consumers what they "deserve" to be spending their money on that is technically they're right not yours.' True. But here is what I would say to that. For a decade now I have been watching this industry (there are obvious culprits that I am sure you are aware of) pound us repeatedly with broken games, broken promises, online passes, microtransactions, and straight up lies, and we just go with it. Buy something that is broken (I have made my feelings quite clear on MEA so I won't go further), and you have told the publisher 'that is fine, continue with that practice'. Money talks so to speak and the second they get yours, you are telling them that this is an acceptable state to release a game in. And we always talk about how we as a community want to punish developers who partake in bad practices, but when it comes down to it, no one seems to have the constitution to follow through. So whilst I would agree with your above statement, what the consumers in this industry buy, affects all of us, whether you like it or not. They propagate the issues we ALL have to deal with. I said this the other day, but the obvious flipside of this is that if people didn't buy Mass Effect at all, EA would stop making games like this so it is a double edged sword, but I don't apologise for trying to steer people away from something that I don't think is up to snuff. $60 isn't a trivial amount of money, despite what people seem to think. And I have played enough games at this point to know pretty definitively whether something doesn't feel finished or not. It is pretty cut and dry in this case. And you would rightfully call that my 'opinion'. So what I will do is paste some of my previous comment here. 'But when I am running around the threshold of a door and characters are vanishing and reappearing again then it is evident that there are massive issues. When the main characters armour textures and the textures of the cover I am behind have to be loaded in again after aiming down a scope it is evident there are massive issues. Hell, sometimes characters don't appear at all. Or sometimes they appear in each other'. Those aren't opinions EDMIX. They are demonstrable things that I have encountered in the game. Can you honestly say, that that seems acceptable to you? That you'd be happy spending your money on a supposedly finished 'AAA' product that has those kinds of issues. I am not even saying don't buy it at all, but I would wait until at least 1.05 as hopefully, by then, they will have fixed a lot of the issues. At this point though I am so tempted to buy it just so I can annoy you with more criticisms. :) I won't though. I am waiting until it is fixed so the issues don't affect my view of the game because at the moment every time I am starting to get into it (there are flashes of goodness in here) it throws more glitches at me. Some of which I have not encountered in a game before. I have for example, never seen npc's vanishing and appearing when I run around near a door. It seems some of the scripting needs some work.
The only opinion that matters about any game is your own. Those of you who will give me disagree votes for saying this need to seriously reevaluate your attitudes and priorities in life.
For me if the story is good I will be mostly good. That is really what I am after most games.
I hate the term 'hater.'
I've been enjoying it too.
There is a flip side to that coin
if your opinion is unfavourable, expressing it means "haters gon' hate"? what a moron
Well, I'm picking up my copy today and I'll go into it with an open mind. I'm anticipating a slow start over the first few hours but hopefully a much more robust game as I progress. I'll decide for myself whether the animation bugs really bother me as I won't encounter them until I play the game. Here's hoping it will still make for a solid entry in the series, and that a second patch won't be too far out.