Gamers tend to oppose efforts to make video games more accessible to all.
I agree, it was.
Gamers hold back cause they are cheap and keep playing mobile and handhelds. Should focus buy strong hardware, vr, and higher resolution.
the article claims: ""The difference between Sony making their games available outside of their console and Microsoft doing the exact same thing is that gamers will mostly accept when Sony does it."". When did Sony take the majority of there AAA first party titles and make it availible on PC? Mobil? Thought now. Sony keeps us with a reason to buy the console.
@indysurfin Sony is making playstation now available on pc and adding ps4 games to its library. I own a ps4 and I don't care. If more people play the games. The more reasons developers would create unique and different games. I want Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo to join forces and release a single platform. I'll gladly play a premium for that console. But most mainstreamers won't. As they won't understand what that means. They would just think it's an expensive console. Smh
@indy Seems we accept that console makers tend to support their console in a way that sells their product. Been like this for decades, so not sure why we shouldn't accept it. Companies are under no obligation to release elsewhere, nor are they under obligation to keep it to their console. We accept this because it's a norm. I think we accept that MS is now releasing on PC, but many of us believe that it marginalizes the need for the console for some. PSNow is kind of a different thing IMO. It's meant to broaden their software base, but keep everything in the ecosystem of PSN. MS approach is different, but the same principal. The difference is though, that as far as I know, Sony isn't likely to have first run games on PSNow, nor is streaming really ideal for those that are looking for the best way to play said games. PSNow is more a casual service, or one that is good for certain situations. It's not a replacement for a full console or PC experience IMO, as it has it's limitations. MS making their games available on PC can in some cases give a better than console experience, and anyone serious enough to play games on PC would not require the console at all.
No it wasn't. This was an MS fanpiece if I've ever seen one. MS dictates the future of gaming because they introduced hard drives and online gaming? Really? Well who introduced CDs to consoles? Who introduced DVDs? How about Blu Ray? Why did the king of online gaming come out with a console that DIDN'T have wifi at first but their competition did? Where did Games With Gold come from if not as a direct response to Playstation + which itself was a response to Xbox Live Gold? The company in the lead dictates the trends save and except when the one lagging behind innovates in a previously unforeseen way. Frickin' fanboys.
Nintendo Is Trying To Hold The Future of Gaming Back. There fixed It for you.
The ability to take my games with me anywhere, is where I want games to go.
Yeah because a console you can take anywhere, id holding gaming back.... The idea of being able to stream stuff to another device ( the main point of the WiiU, is holding it back. Expanding the audience (what the wii did) is holding it back. Basically making the gamepad what we know it as today (with the help of SEGA) is holding it back....
+wheresmymonkey When your still stuck In the past, and still produce outdated hardware with the same 30+ year old games and your competitors + students have surpassed you, yes you are holding gaming back.
If anything sony is holding the industry back. Yea they have the games and like to do graphics, but they don't innovate. At least nintendo tries, I mean it usually sucks, but they try. Sony just makes a game console, and when they "innovate" they copy off other companies.
"Expanding the audience (what the wii did) is holding it back. " Actually it is. In the sense that the audience is expanded to casuals which caused the casualization of games and thus retarded the idea of challenge. That's why there is a whole new genre called Souls-like, in honour of the first game to actually be a challenge in a long time, Demon's Souls.
Agreed. Interesting article.
For those that want an all digital future, answer me this... With publishers having the monopoly and a complete lack of any competition or secondary market, how many years would releases remain at $60 and never dropping in price? Perhaps I'm being even too generous there. Do you think games would even stay at the $60 price and not go up?
Lets get one thing straight people am not here to see eye to eye with you , am not here for the gamers united mumbo jumbo of all for one junk am here to read articles & comment , voice my opinion. if by chance my opinions are not to your liking tough deal with it .
Intersting, although i must say that i am truly content with where gaming is at. I still like having physical media and im not much of an online player. Gaming will go wherever it goes, but until then i will enjoy it my way.
"Gamers Disagree With Me On The Direction The Industry Should Be Moving In"
Why is the author pretending that PSNow came after Microsoft's play anywhere? Also is he trying to say that Microsoft is the only one that others copy? There have also been many things MS have done that no one has copied that eventually died and there are many things that both Nintendo and Sony have done that Microsoft copied. What is the point of this article?
His main point is M.S routinely shapes the gaming culture but is rarely given credit for it.
That's because their hardware innovation (the thing people can visibly see and is tangible) consistently falls flat. - Original kinect - Xbox One Kinect - HD-DVD - Xbox One Graphical Power - Hololens (touted for gaming yet then backtracked) - Xbox 360 RROD They've continually shaped it in ways that do not fit well with the industry or the consumers.
Dude is just naming random stuff.
I don't think anyone denies that they have added to gaming but pretending they are the only ones doing it seems insane. They have also done far less than both Sony and Ninetendo. Also we shouldn't be thanking them for paying for online, Sony saw that they can get free money like MS and went for it because why not?
Except in the one area most gamers want which is a diverse library of quality exclusives. This is the area that both Sony and Nintendo bury MS.
So his point is off base....unless he means that MS has helped introduce more vitriol into the community by forcing it's fan base to be accepting of whatever they put out while taking the least amount of effort on their part to get by. In which case, yeah, I guess we can say that MS gamers are holding things back, because they don't really demand more. I could attribute this to Nintendo fans because they seem to love everything Nintendo does, but at least Nintendo does try new things with hardware, and does sometimes shape the course of the industry, and at the same time routinely puts out very high quality software, so I feel that's kind of a wash. Sony fans can sometimes be this way, but Sony puts out so many games, and pushes new experiences that way, that it's hard to say they're holding back gaming, because it's the games that matter. Plus Sony has pushed other technologies like motion control(albeit not to the same level as MS/Nintendo) and VR. In any case, gamers are going to like what they like regardless of what an individual or a company feels the direction of gaming should go. It's a free market, and the free market will decide what will be successful. It's not up to us, the gamers, to simply accept whatever new "innovation" that these companies put out as the new course in gaming because they deem it so. These companies have to make the case for why we should want their products if they want the industry to go a certain direction. If they do that, then the customer will buy it. We, as the consumer, are in no way obligated to bow to the forces of what corporations feel is best for them. It should always be what we want, and what is best for us. Author needs to get that point through his head. It's not about the industry, or these companies making money. It's about what we want, because it is our money we're spending. Guilt trips won't change that in the grand scheme of things.
I would say MS has done some things that has become an industry standard. Good & bad things. They also seem keen on following trends like implementing avatars & motion controls.
It's a rant by an MS fanboy.
The entire console has been altered to a PS4. MS has done nothing but copy Sony this gen
Let's not act like Sony hasn't copied anything this gen.
WiiU had external hard drive storage
@travest so true. All the things ms tried to do with xbone at the start of this gen was firmly rejected by everyone. Some people have been drinking far too much of ms kool aid lol.
Bad business practices < > Technological advancements.
So, this article is pretty much about: Xbox is king, Microsoft is the best. Sony and Nintendo copies MS and I want my games to be digital only so I can play them all over the place on my moble devices. Now that Xbox doesn't have exclusives, the other two consoles do not deserve exclusives either." Don't click the article guys. Not worth it.
Maybe gaming isn't for you. Try a sport instead. You'll feel better.
I get what he is saying, I think people do tend to forget how much MS has helped push the industry forward. Along with Nintendo and Sony but it's not just nintendo and sony, I think is his point.
They haven't done that in a while IMO. Cloud is probably the only thing they have on their plate which may be a big thing going forward, but it's results remain to be seen to give them high kudos for it. I'm all for giving credit where it was due, but the last major "innovation" that MS put out before anyone else for gaming was achievements tied to ones account. Their last product to change the way people played they put out was the original Kinect. Even that was just a different way to have something their competition actually brought to market well before them....so not really all that innovative, more reactive to capture a segment of the market their competition had already bleed dry. Nothing about X1 is innovative. Their games this gen are far from innovative. So, while MS can be given credit for some things, Online infrastucture, achievements, user accounts, and to a lesser extent hard drives and motion controls, it's not like they are doing much else to really deserve the kind of credit that this article is trying to give them. Cloud could be big, but it's not proven yet. If it is proven, then they'll get credit for it, because they're the only one's actually doing anything there right now.
sony fanboys have dementia. They always tend to see what they want to see. In fact, this article just says fact. It don't tell game title, but gaming tech.
Thas a very loose definition of 'fact' you have there.
Personally I think gaming could benefit from a giant step backwards. New technology is cool and all but I miss the days when it was just plug and play. Games were more affordable and accessible for the whole family to enjoy. I think Nintendo had the right idea with the Switch, but the execution was poor in my opinion. I think there's still room in the console market for a low price traditional console. Not the hybrid console/PCs everyone is accustomed too now, but a plain gaming console that doesn't need any updates or routine maintenance, no installations or DRM policies required to play, optional internet, hard drives, etc. I would like something new more along the lines of the Super Nintendo or Sega Genesis. I know that might sound crazy to some people especially if your a young gamer, but back in those days gaming was a much simpler hobby and more fun IMO. Just trading game cartiges with your friends alone used to be fun. Nowadays with all the rules, policies, and tech you would think that was never possible.
can only disagree with the cost... when was gaming cheaper? lol... i remember those cartridges being $50-60 when i was a kid
That's true but the consoles themselves were only around $100 bucks and most of the games averaged $39.99 at Funcoland ( old school gamestop lol )
Sony fanboys follow what they always criticize, eventually deteriorating Sony. Nevertheless, Sony has been praising it. This is a dementia patient.
Any article that's says gamers are the issue seems like flame bait
Damn, I wrote all this stuff about how games that try to please everybody were usually disasters before clicking the bait. What a horrible title. Should've been "Xbox is king and its competition copies it all the time for real! Can't wait till physical media dies."
I don't like publishers telling me what devices I can and can't play on with their crap DRM. I don't like needing an internet connection to sign into to ask permission to play a game. They assume that everyone has internet and that it is cap-less and super fast. That is not always true. I don't want to be at the mercy of publishers who can flip a switch and make my games not work. All of this "digital future" BS is just a way to convince you that owning content you pay for is not as good as letting them be the gatekeeper of your game library for you. They tell you that a license to use is better than buying and owning because you don't need to get up and change a disc. All of that digital stuff is fine as long as it is optional, but when it is the only option, no thanks.
Exactly! What's wrong with gaming now? What's so good about this future for us gamers? I know it would definitely be good for those companies. If xbox one was allowed to go ahead with digital only, DRM or whatever else, would they have more new Ip's/games now? I ask people to look back at that xbox one reveal and see how bad things could've been. If that's the future then I don't want part of it. The future of gaming has to be more new games, innovations etc..
Isn't Sony tying the new version of PS Now to the PS4 where MS is merging the Xbox brand to Windows?
This has been happening for years. A really big recent example was the Xbox One launch.
I'm sorry if as a consumer , I don't want to pay full price for digitial games. I live in a major Australian city and my internet speeds are shit, an outrageously expensive. I'm sorry if I don't want to make Sony and microsofts profit margins more. It's called price collision !
Nintendo try and push it forward. That's a typical statement why gaming is stuck in a rut, because most of you think fps, resolution, etc is the all that matters, obsessive graphics whores. Graphics don't always matter get a life.
Sounds like trying to push another pro Xbox article on us. Virtual reality is a way to the future and Sony pushes it. Nintendo switch. Accessibility? It's just fine. Consumers didn't by Microsoft. Get over it. They didn't like it so it's not held back. It's simply not liked.
A few things MS started Achievements- few years laters Sony gave us Trophies Indie Games with Xbox live Arcade Play any where Vs nothing Xbox insider, think Sony started beta testing last year The only thing that I think MS copied from Sony was the free games with Xbox live but please correct me if wrong. Now will Sony copy game pass. I have ignored PlayStation now as you need to be online to access it and I remember all the complaints about the xb1 needing to be always online when announced.
"Indie Games" MS did not invent indie games.
Trash article. Reads like an xbone fan wrote it. More like gamers are trying to hold back ms's vision thank god.
It's an Xbox fansite, all they do is praise MS.
what a coincidence to see a post talking talking about negativity towards gaming and not one specific console, but for the picture title they chose to post an xbox related device and game. im not shocked to see this brain washing crap on n4g. but it's sad to think that they don't believe that anyone knows what the purpose/agenda for this is. subliminal messaging of imprinting in the minds of the simple, that anything negative with gaming is somehow tied to the xbox and the microsoft brand. think im wrong or overthinking this thing??? just pay attention to the post for a week or 2 or just scroll back a week or 2 and you'll see it with your own eyes.
The post itself was very pro-xbox. I think the thumbnail is just because the author wants to make it seem like MS is doing something great with what they have to offer.
MS is the one player in the console industry that could go away tomorrow and I wouldn't miss them one bit. For all the "good" they've done for the industry, the one and most important thing they have failed to do is build an identifiably large portfolio of high quality, diverse exclusives. Above all, this is THE most important thing to me as a gamer. Not achievements, not play anywhere, not services, not apps, etc. While all those things are nice, they're just window dressing. For me it still boils down to this, what games does your system offer that I can't play anywhere else and are they of high quality? If the answer to this most basic question does not impress me, I won't be buying your console and it's why I game on PlayStation and Nintendo and not Xbox.
A Whole lot of nonsense, gaming like life will find it's way, just enjoy what you have, there is no future of gaming
Sony is shooting themselves in the foot if they allow anything other than old ps4 games on that shit service. Bad move Sony. Let's buy a Big mac at Burger King. Competition is good for innovation in everything, including gaming.
What this article touches on and what I and many others here have noticed and commented about is how MS gets routinely critized for practices that either every company has done or eventually down the road introduces. Almost every time we see a feature, design or some type of new practice come out of MS for Xbox it gets slammed, only to have that same plan get adopted by the competition and when that happens we barely hear a peep about it as gets swept under the rug.
That's because you people have a victim complex and constantly whine about "media bias" against MS when the truth is there is none. The Xbox Games Pass was widely praised and people have said it's what PS Now should have been, but I guess it was swept under the rug, right?
Really, Xbox fans complain about media bias? It's definitely more consistent to see Sony fans complaining about the media and playing the victim of some sort of bias. One harsh review about Uncharted 4 sent them into a fit, even going as far as to talk about banning review scores and starting a petition to remove one score. Claiming every website that reviews or speaks negative about Sony as 'Clickbait', claiming sites are bias against Sony exclusives when they reviewed NMS, The Order, The Last Guardian. To this day most of this fanbase thinks Polygon is paid by MS because of one low review for TLoU long ago. Kotaku, IGN, Forbs, are also supposedly against Sony. Seriously this fan base invented 'media bias' as they apply that term to anything that doesn't favor their company and product.
"Xbox fans" I wasn't talking about Xbox fans, only the extremists whine about media bias. You guys always seem to mix fanboys in with the fans, that's even reflected in your comment "It's definitely more consistent to see Sony fans" "Seriously this fan base". It really highlights how much you hate anyone who plays on PlayStation, and literally everything you said describes the Xbox extremists. You guys constantly embarrass everytime you claim "media bias".
"You guys always seem to mix fanboys in with the fans, that's even reflected in your comment " Even though you never specifically pointed that out and said fanboys right? Funny because you seem to do the same. Your very first reply to me you said... "That's because you people have a victim complex and constantly whine about "media bias"" What do you mean...you people? "It really highlights how much YOU hate anyone who plays on PlayStation," Ah yes, more assumptions, accusations and baseless claims, any actual proof that points to ME hating ANYONE who plays on Playstation? Or is this just bitterness and anger directed specifically at me? The only who is embarrassing is you because you are doing exactly what you're complaining xbox fanboys do. Blind to everything Sony does, blames MS and their fanbase for 'bias' and then accuses anyone who prefers Xbox as being an extremist.
Oh bullshit. You just see/read/believe what you want to see/read/believe. The fact that you are using an Xbox fanboy article to back your bullshit fanboy agenda proves that.
Of course, using an Xbox "fanboy" article...definitely disproves my observations with such a compelling argument.
Oh....so no Bias? Just you "observing"? LOL....bullshit.