As we get closer to E3, it looks like Xbox is preparing to the reveal of the eagerly anticipated mid-gen console, code-named Xbox Scorpio. The console now appears on Microsoft's online store and it's description of Scorpio is interesting.
take this wack marketing out of here
The PR for the scorpio is on overdrive and it masks some other issues the xbone has that's not being attended to e.g not much stellar exclusives. I don't even have to mention that the Ps4 pro does that too so this statement is suspicious
Ha! We will see about that
What rubbish. There are a few native 4k games on the ps4 pro . Also the checkerboard 4k horizon zero dawn on ps4 pro looks better than the witcher 3 in 4k so i dont understand what saying "true 4k" is suppose to mean
Well not really. PS4 doesn't have most full native 4K games. So if Phil makes good on his promise, then his statement will hold true.
@GTR - true 4K means you can get rid of the insecurities of knowing someone somewhere has better specs than you. Doesn't matter if you can't actually see a difference
@Sunny_D How so? Saying a console is 4k means it is 4k capable, not that every game runs at native 4k (they won't on Scorpio either). Most Xbox One games don't run at 1080p, so should we stop calling it a 1080p console as well? So no, Phil's statement will not hold true, he's just using deceptive marketing tactics like they always do at MS>
What exactly do you understand, GTR? How do you not know what "true 4K" is? I know this is hard for people like you and Chrisx to understand, but let's see if you can figure it out! Which one of these is synonymous with True 4K: AAA games Upscaled to 4K AAA games Checkerboard 4K AAA games Native 4K Seriously, you guys are going to get trashed hard here at N4G when E3 comes and proves both of you wrong. Be prepared to move your goalposts.
If you know corporate business culture, PR never handles website and store front copy. Public...Relations...isn't really hard to cinceptualize what they do. Marketing, Legal and PR are 3 different department. Bold move from a combined marketing and legal team. Most copy don't with a marketing team has to be approved by legal. Your point lost validation.
In the UK the ad would not be allowed because it is dishonest - but in the US anything goes!
How about you stop and other sony fanboys stop posting bs and wait till e3 and let them show some scorpio and games there? New system is coming they have to hold some games for it.
Are you retarded? how can a checkerboard game look better than native 4k Witcher @gtr35olution. you dumb fuck. Unheard of. You are so dumb it's hilarious. Damn I'm heated
The PR out of your camp has been on overdrive and I dont see you guys taking a day off anytime soon. More and more salty Scorpio news will be coming from now til E3. Some devs already loving it. All you guys will brag about will be games pretty much. Lol... so enjoy the power difference that about to evaporate in a few months.
I play Elite Dangerous everyday on X1 with the homies, and when Scorpio comes out I'm gonna be playing it in tru 4k, because that's what I like, I don't care about all those single player narrative focused games. Xbox is perfect for me and many that have them. You don't hear a lot of xbox gamers complaining about nothing to play.
Scorpio is going to unleash beast mode. Bring on the monster so I can play it the best way possible on consoles. Combine this with Crackdown 3 and the cloud, and nothing will even touch this experience, but an extremely high end PC that will cost 3-4x more. Can't wait! I will let haters hate, and I will just enjoy the games.
This is typical Microsoft PR spinning. First, they didn't just say 'true 4k gaming' machine. There was an 'and' there. That 'and' means it will have high-fidelity virtual games as well. What does that mean? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. 'High-fidelity' is a meaningless term as it represents no exact figure and can be quantified however MS wants. And by adding that 'and' there, MS can shrug off the first part by saying they meant it would play some games in 4k or that it even does what the Pro does, just it does it better. Fact is, this is not a lie because they can spin it however they want. This is standard MS PR. Second, while the above remains true, MS really means to tell consumers that the Pro is a fake 4k machine and that theirs is not fake. It's misleading solely because anyone who reads the line 'true 4k gaming' is 99.99999999% of the time going to think that means that all games will run at a native 4k unlike the Pro. But, if that doesn't happen, what then? See above. So, in conclusion: The Good: They're not lying. The Bad: They aim to mislead. The annoying: Everyone does this, but Microsoft does it all the time and is one of the reasons I dislike Microsoft as a business. It's not their products. It's not their games. It's how they put out misleading statements all the time. They're the Comcast of the Tech world.
Agreed. I do not care for the suits who come up with this stuff but I do like the platform and the games.
I think the average consumer will not no the difference which leads to the question of what the average consumer believes is the better value for money machine. For example they will consider price, what they want it for (more games) and what their friends have (more than likely a PS4). So the PR imo means nothing unless the price is competitive and whether they bring the software.
Well then, if that's how you see things, that means XB1 is a 1080p machine just like PS4 is and they're no different from one another either. One of the dumber things you've said recently, considering that this whole generation has been arguing over either resoltuion or games support. Now you're going to try to spin it as MS propoganga? Lol. Also, love the, "and high fidelity virtual games" comment from you as well, like you expected VR in 4K from Scorpio... They aim to mislead? No, that's your agenda. MS has a machine capable of native 4K on AAA titles, but it's up to devs on how to use it. It's actually a pretty simple concept when you take the bias out of your comment. Let me explain with an analogy. A sports car advertised with a 3 second 60 time isn't spreading FUD because the driver doesn't accelerate like that every time they step on the gas. It's still a 3 second machine even when it gets groceries.
All the time! I too don't like it and stay clear of Xbox because of this. If you need to mislead your customer to get a sale you can't be trusted IMO
Musikguy, like Sony said Blu Ray was necessary for next gen gaming and claimed 360 wasn't next gen (even though 360 games looked better than PS3). Or how Sony said at the PS3 reveal that as long as there was a Playstation there would be backwards compatibility? Or how Sony misled people when they promoted PS3 as a linux-capable machine and then removed support for it? Or like PS Now helped sell Sony TV's and Blu Ray players that are losing their support... in spite of the fact that the service isn't being cancelled? Yet you trust Sony? Lol.
Yea, I really don't see the misleading here either and I think this is just another example of some people getting all riled up when a certain company does anything to sell a product. "4k gaming and high fidelity games", to me means exactly that. It will play games in a 4k resolution as well as games in a standard HD, since the term high fidelity does mean high-quality reproduction of sound or images. So yes it is a broad term but a term that anyone could and should understand. Are you really expecting them to give specific numbers to the public which many in any case just want to see something new and shiny? "MS really means to tell consumers that the Pro is a fake 4k machine and that theirs is not fake" I guess if you really want to think that deep about it. They could also be saying that their Xbox One S isn't capable of doing the things this new upgraded Xbox can do and that their users should really consider upgrading. I personally got out of this that MS was telling people that the planet Nibiru was real and that only the true power of the god Scorpio in 4k can save us...but then again I guess everyone interprets things differently. What's funny is Sony advertises their PS4 Pro as "Dynamic 4K Gaming & 4K Entertainment", that sounds to me that all the games for PS4 Pro are playing in 4k and so is the entertainment. But no one seems to have an issue with that, no one calls Sony sleazy, misleading and always doing this, no one freaks out. https://www.playstation.com... Of course there's a ton of '*' after each claim and when you scroll aaaaallll the way to the bottom the truth is revealed. I don't know, I find it funny how MS PR is always on trial on this site, when they made a couple of stealthy ads promoting Destiny and we got outrage and chaos but then Sony PR stealthy digs at Switch while promoting PS4 and it's fun, games and lulz and under the radar. I truly believe that MS just can't do anything without super harsh criticism. Some are actually warranted but most is over exaggeration and like you admitted every company does this, but only one company gets brutally shitted on for it.
***"4k gaming and high fidelity games", to me means exactly that. It will play games in a 4k resolution as well as games in a standard HD*** But it doesn't say that. It says "true 4k gaming". What does that mean? To most, that means native 4k, right?Well, what happens when all games aren't native 4k? Is it really a 'true 4k gaming' machine or is that just PR? We've already had confirmation that not all games will run in Native 4k. So, what is a 'true 4k gaming' machine then? It's just PR. That's all it is. Sorry, I know this isn't important stuff in the scheme of things. But, this is exactly the intent of marketing. Selling the hope for something without directly lying. My dislike of MS business isn't some 'big deal' except here, where we talk about all things gaming and not the important things in life. But, that's exactly what it is. ***then Sony PR stealthy digs at Switch while promoting PS4 and it's fun, games and lulz. *** Are you turning me into every person you are arguing against or do you have proof of me doing what you just said? I'm not going to argue you based on the worst of MS fanboys, I kind of ask you do the same with me and any other type of fanboy. If you reply to me, reply to me, not to the crowd of fanboys you want to argue against. ***Yet you trust Sony? Lol.*** Trust no one. My only issue is that MS does this very often. Every business does it, but MS does this a ton. Apple is up there as well.
***Some are actually warranted but most is over exaggeration and like you admitted every company does this, but only one company gets brutally shitted on for it.*** Uh, no, I shit on everyone for it. And, what was 'brutal' about what I did? Did I troll? Did I call them names? Or did I just explain my point? Where were you when I 'shit' on Sony for overpriced memory cards, PS Move idiocy, and more? Where are you when I shit on Sony for not allowing EA Access? Where are you when I shit on Sony for not having full mod support? Where are you when I shit on Nintendo for being Nintendo? Stop trying to write a history of me that suits your argument.
With that "and" in there, that already destroys half of the fanboys rants about PS4 Pro not being true 4k due to the fact not every game that comes out on it is 4k. I don't want to talk shit about the Scorpio, because that isn't the issue or topic, it's the PR spinning that irks me.
@mizuk... so you hold a grudge against the xbox system because they use misleading marketing? And it's not all the time but I'd say more often than not. Seriously if it was all the time then they would be getting hauled into court all the time and that isnt happening. sounds to me like a very petty thing to hold a grudge over. I don't like certain decisions made by the likes of Sega, Sony, nintendo and MS but I don't deny myself the pleasure of their platforms over it. Sometimes you just need thicker skin and the understanding that these companies are in the same business for the same reasons. to make money not friends. If you think they are your friend then brother.... you need to get out more.
@Christopher "But it doesn't say that. It says "true 4k gaming". What does that mean?" Sony has the same type of slogan on their website for the PS4 Pro that is just as broad and wide. And yet why are we here, confused about the same type of PR statement made for the Scorpio? This is my point, it's advertising for the masses, not a spec sheet of check marks for the tech nerds. "...where we talk about all things gaming and not the important things in life" Agreed, but there still seems to be a phenomenal amount of exaggeration or a higher level of expectation when speaking about MS in relation to (even you admit) what EVERY company does. "Are you turning me into every person you are arguing against or do you have proof of me doing what you just said?" Never said you did this, just pointing out examples on the levels of hatred MS PR seems to get in comparison to other companies. How an ad, tweets, PR or anything MS related is somehow viewed as sleazy, misleading or anything else while at the same time another company does this and it goes under the radar unnoticed or shrugged off. Not saying you do this, just a recent example that has to do with exactly what we are discussing right now. In closing, why is there such scrutiny for this company doing the exact same thing everyone else does?
***With that "and" in there, that already destroys half of the fanboys rants about PS4 Pro not being true 4k due to the fact not every game that comes out on it is 4k. *** PS4 Pro is less of a 4k machine than Scorpio. Checkerboard is not 4k. Reminds me of a twitter poll I posted recently: https://twitter.com/N4G/sta...
***Never said you did this, just pointing out examples on the levels of hatred MS PR seems to get in comparison to other companies.*** So, the equivalent of people complaining about bias when a game they like doesn't get reviewed 'fairly'? I don't see how that has anything to do with the subject at hand and instead just turns the conversation more into about fanboys than the news. Good job?
I don't like it simply for the fact that they are so caviler about misleading people. Its almost as though they think we are stupid and that is never a good look for PR of any kind.
@Christopher "Stop trying to write a history of me that suits your argument." You seem to be taking this a bit personal and making it exclusively about you. Are we not discussing the here and now in relation to MS PR? I never accused you of trolling or anything else, we are talking about how the ridicule for MS PR can be exaggerated. You made your claims, I disagreed with them and I also pointed out why just the same as you. I may have threw in examples but none of them were aimed to paint you as the culprit. Just examples of how one company always gets dealt with in a certain manner. "Where were you when I 'shit' on Sony for overpriced memory cards, PS Move idiocy, and more?" So because you gave me those examples that means a free pass should be awarded to you for also shitting on something so common and done by all?
***You seem to be taking this a bit personal and making it exclusively about you. Are we not discussing the here and now in relation to MS PR?*** What? You are replying to me, specifically, citing that only Microsoft gets 'shitted' on. If you want to argue what 'others' do, don't reply to me or turn my comment into some general statement towards others. And, no, you're not discussing PR, you're discussing your dislike that you perceive MS gets more complaints for PR. *** I never accused you of trolling or anything else, we are talking about how the ridicule for MS PR can be exaggerated.*** You said my statements were 'brutal'. *** You made your claims, I disagreed with them and I also pointed out why just the same as you.*** No, not the same. I made my own opinion without attachments to anything but my opinion. You made it about "... and I think this is just another example of some people getting all riled up when a certain company does anything to sell a product." ***I may have threw in examples but none of them were aimed to paint you as the culprit. Just examples of how one company always gets dealt with in a certain manner. *** "Some are actually warranted but most is over exaggeration and like you admitted every company does this, but only one company gets brutally shitted on for it." You certain that doesn't paint me as a culprit there? ***So because you gave me those examples that means a free pass should be awarded to you for also shitting on something so common and done by all?*** Again, you're not painting me as a culprit? And, where did I say it was common? That is your own word, used to attempt to make it look like it's the norm. I didn't say it was the norm, I said they all do it. I never said it was common or that they all do it as often. Sorry, but GTFO with that logic and go take your complaints about fanboys elsewhere. I have every right to complain about something without you attempting to label it as 'shitting on' just because this time it's a complaint about MS.
@Christopher "You are replying to me, specifically, citing that only Microsoft gets 'shitted' on." Seriously? I am citing that MS PR seems to get shitted on for something that every company does. Something that YOU even admitted. Why you seem to get so offended by that is hilarious. You're the one who left a comment about something EVERYONE does and how you hate MS for doing it. But me leaving other examples of the same type all of sudden gets you thrown into a powerful tizzy and all sorts of misplaced accusations. "..you're discussing your dislike that you perceive MS gets more complaints for PR." No I'm discussing how you perceive MS does this ALL the time even though everyone does this. How Sony has the exact same type of marketing slogan for PS4 Pro and no one was confused or said a peep and yet here we are discussing being mislead when that same PR is applied to Scorpio. But instead of acknowledging that you went full John McClane because you think I'm implying you're a fanboy or some junk. Now you were saying how you were there bashing Sony for EA Access, memory cards and the likes, do you have a link stating how Sony mislead you for PS4Pro? "You said my statements were 'brutal'." So, that automatically means I'm calling you a troll? "Again, you're not painting me as a culprit?" Wow, seriously? I think this has more to do with thin skin then anything else at this point. You are so worried about some false accusation of being called a fanboy that the discussion has now become something entirely different. "Sorry, but GTFO with that logic and go take your complaints about fanboys elsewhere...." Never said you couldn't complain about it, complain all you want for any company your heart desires. But when your complaints are bat shit stupid then expect someone to disagree. Now if all you have as a comeback is what you think I might have said or meant, being upset that you think you're in the same category as other lames I pointed out and then actually having to tell someone to GTFO because you think that someone might have called you a fanboy...well that kind of sums up just how stupid your complaint was in the first place.
***Seriously? I am citing that MS PR seems to get shitted on for something that every company does. Something that YOU even admitted.*** It's the quantity you ignore. I specifically cited it was how often they did it. You completely ignore that. ***No I'm discussing how you perceive MS does this ALL the time even though everyone does this.*** You do realize doing it all the time is different than having ever done it, right? It's the difference between that guy just lied to me and that guy lies to me all the time. ***How Sony has the exact same type of marketing slogan for PS4 Pro and no one was confused or said a peep and yet here we are discussing being mislead when that same PR is applied to Scorpio.*** But they didn't do the same thing... Their dynamic resolution statements are not saying it's a true 4k gaming machine. They've made similar stupid statements on other things but the Pro wasn't. It was up front about checkerboard and dynamic resolution. So, as an example, that one doesn't line up. ***Wow, seriously? I think this has more to do with thin skin then anything else at this point. You are so worried about some false accusation of being called a fanboy that the discussion has now become something entirely different. *** This is hilarious and stupid at the same time. First you moan about Microsoft getting more criticism just because, what, I make one critical note on something they do that I don't like? You call it 'shitting on' as if that's not a hyperbolic term to reference unfair criticism. Then you try to act like the comment as a reply to me and specifically citing me as 'shitting on' Microsoft over a single opinion isn't intended for you to deride my opinion and argue, once again, how unfair it is that so many people 'shit on' Microsoft. No one brought up this stuff in reply to me until you. I didn't say you are calling me a fanboy, I said you are making this about fanboys with that argument. But I call you out for making it about that and I'm the thin skinned one? Me, not you, the one defending Microsoft from all this unfair 'shitting on'? Seriously? I don't care that you disagree with me, I care that you have to make so much about what others say a fanboy comparison rather than just sharing your opinion. It takes the conversation away from the topic at hand and makes it about trying to devalue any legit opinion just by associating it with fanboyism.
@Chris Just stop, you're coming across extremely ignorant and some what idiotic. As much as Im sure gangsta's preference sits on the green side, I must say he is spot on and your attempts to conter are infantile at best.
Fml....you guys. Chill. I do agree with both of you actually 1) With Christopher re the sly nature of this ad and the wiggle room it affords MS to have their cake and eat it owing to the clever wordplay 2) With gangsta that it's prevalent in this industry and Microsoft seem to be called out for things others don't. But you could argue that it's MS who are to blame because all their failures with the X1 caused them to create this bed where everyone scrutinises them to such a degree. You two though lmao...I can actually sense the sexual tension.
How old are you, 12? You're just sad that it's true. MS has reiterated the point several times now, developers acknowledge how good it is compared to the Pro, and Cerny even modified the Pro GPU to HW accelerate checkerboarding because it's not capable of native 4K for most games. So the Pro was made for checkerboarding, and Scorpio is made for native 4K. So what? How can you not realize this considering the 6tf > 4.2tf alone? You sound like someone with a console inferiority complex trying desperately to ignore the situation. You can be ignorant and stick your head back in the sand, stay in the world of make.believe all you want, butit won't change the fact that Scorpio will run real AAA games in native 4K.
If it's true then the xbox one wasn't a " true" 1080p console. The pro has few native 4k games too which makes it obvious that they aim to mislead with this statement just like they did with few xbox one s adverts.
Lol, speak for yourself... talk about sticking your own head in the sand. Shit MS doesn't have anything to show and you talk like you already own a Scorpio and have been playing AAA games in 4k. You come back in 6 months after Scorpio is released and maybe then you can talk some bullshit, but until then stfu and gtfo because you got nothing but speculation. At least we got working hardware that we can actually show.
Trez, it was never marketed as one. Jack, There is evidence all over the place that says Scorpio will be native 4K. How am I sticking my head in the sand when I'm looking at the evidence objectively? The guy with his head in the sand is the one labelling Phil's statements as "wack marketing" because he doesnt agree with the plethora of evidence that contradicts his beliefs. FYI, I will rub it in your faces too, even though I don't care about graphics that much, both because people like you deserve it for the way you treat others, and because that's how N4G encourages people to post with the way the site is policed.
***Scorpio is made for native 4K*** How is that possible when MS has specifically stated multiple times that not every game will run in native 4k? It's made to get closer or hit 4k when it can, but no console at this time is 'made for native 4k'. The only thing made for that currently are PCs.
Christopher, nobody can say that every game will be rendered at native 4K unless they mandate to developers how to use the power, which MS has not done. No PC card is true 4K either because I can choose not to render at 4K in order to make other aspects of the game better, just like devs choose for us on consoles. We can all agree that there will be reasons for devs on Scorpio to choose lower resolutions, and they'll even decide to checkerboard if it suits their needs, but that's not what the issue is here. The issue is that developers of AAA games on Scorpio could ALSO choose to run at native 4K if they want. The same cannot be said of the Pro for its AAA content. So... simply put? Scorpio is a true 4K machine, while the Pro is not. Make sense? Don't worry if it doesn't because reality will set in when it gets shown off.
***The issue is that developers of AAA games on Scorpio could ALSO choose to run at native 4K if they want. The same cannot be said of the Pro for its AAA content.*** Uh, it absolutely could. But, developers are all about looking good. ***So... simply put? Scorpio is a true 4K machine, while the Pro is not. Make sense? Don't worry if it doesn't because reality will set in when it gets shown off.*** You just said a lot of nothing. Sounds like when people were trying to make Checkerboard = native 4k to me.
The sony fanboys in here are unreal. Stop giving the BS of "what does true 4k mean?" It means exactly as it sounds true 4k is uhd with hdr support, which is what they will have. Of course 4k will be up to the game developers but that is out of microsofts hands. Christ get over it that it's gonna have better resolution than ps4 pro; at least ps4 still has the games.
Developers are all about looking good? Okay. What if Scorpio games have user selectable options like, hint, Pro games already can... but ALSO include a 4K option? Then the user could choose. It's not that hard to imagine this to be the case, Christopher, but you always seem to pick out the worst possible scenario and exploit it to make your case. I just said a lot of nothing you can understand with your blinders on. Fixed. Here's reality: Scorpio designed for 4K AAA Pro designed for Checkerboard AAA MS will show off native 4K content from both 1st and 3rd Party AAA on Scorpio. 3rd party games that aren't capable of native 4k on Pro. Seriously though Christopher, name one AAA game that is native 4K on the Pro. And, no, ports of last gen AAA games don't count.
I think I will be okay with my XB1 S and PC for microsoft games.
gotta admit, its not as dumb as 'the cloud' ordeal....but at the same time not as fun :(
Sounds like they're already preparing for failure. Come on MS, stop being such arrogant jerks. Their PR alone makes me not want their console. I'm pretty sure that by the time Scorpio comes out they'll be cutting corners and doing things like checkerboard rendering too. Of course, they'll make an excuse for that by then
Thats partly the reason I stopped supporting Microsoft and Xbox after the 360. I just hate the way they spin tbings and treat their loyal customers. As a brand, I think it has turned into a terrible mess. The Scorpio does sound good on paper, but the 6 teraflops isn't enough to make me think anything other than it will offer more of the same....which going by the Xbox 1, isn't all too much in the way of games and support.
Deja vu anyone.
the only reason why i say this is wack is bc, look at this PR they are Chasing the graphics whore consumers and they believe it or not will get them to buy the console for the sole reason of 4k.. but they wont getme with that dry ass catalog of games
Playstation fanboys fear the beast. Its laughable the way they now claim 1080p checkboarding is the same as 4K native. Xbox fans where laughed at for 3 years over resolution, just stop with the bullshit you look like idiots now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!
except it isnt 1080P, its 1800P
Well its true.
I think MS is exaggerating the benefits even if we assume they are telling the whole truth when they say they are the only one with 4K. Digital Foundry already confirmed that you will not be able to tell the difference between Checkerboard and native 4K. The thing is that MS will keep telling people to basically wait, but the superiority of native will never arrive. At least not to the extent that would justify buying another console for $400+ especially when MS has failed to show that they are committed to console gaming and exclusives in the long term (even assuming you can Even call their "exclusives" exclusive.)
I'm soooo confused 😳 But resolution don't matter, that's what they were telling us this gen. Now it matters!?🤔 " first and only true 4K console "😂 Sure, can somebody tell them about PS4PRO. I would also bet all these devoted Microsoft fans don't even have 4K tvs. 😬 4K is so important to you guys yet you been playing 720p and 900p and that's just perfect for you guys. Maybe you have a few that actually do 1080p. So can we agree that the original PS4 is " the first and only true 1080p console " 🤗 Microsoft's PR is true BS.
Its not whack marketing, its a flat out lie. You know I was actually gonna give the benefit of the doubt to MS on this one. I figured it was just a headline going for clicks as usual and making MS out to be the bad guy because they really are an easy target. But then I realise the reason they are an easy target is because they bring it on themselves. "The first and only console to enable true 4K gaming" Well spin that how you want Xbox fans, but that is not true and therefor, a lie. By true I assume they are referring to native. We can all agree on that. Since the Pro has native 4k games, Scorpio (which isnt out yet) is neither the first, nor the only to have them. We can all agree on that. Since Pro has native 4k games can we all just agree that true 4k gaming has been enabled? And can we all agree MS is lying? Besides, who gives a damn. Im playing Horizon on my poor old Checkerboard 4k (which is not upscaling by the way) and I doubt very much MS will make a better looking game this gen. If fact Id bet money on it. And I hope Scorpio does use Checkerboard because its a much smarter technique. Why worry about native 4k when CB is half as stressful on the hardware and looks 95% as good? Its going to be up to devs where they spend their power. So hit Native and dial done effects and have a struggling framerate, or use CB and have it buttery smooth with balls to the wall graphics? I know which one I would prefer.
Microsoft never ceases to make themselves look like idiots. They better back up that bold claim with actual exclusives.
They don't mention anything about exclusives. Where are you reading that.
Nor will they.
They have lied before, and they need to say something...
It's a Septic article, but this is the same rhetoric echoed by Phil and it is very tired at this point. It's also pretty low brow, you don't see Sony continuously lowering themselves and taking backhanded shots at Microsoft. Wth does "true 4K console" even mean? I know that there are plenty of games that play in cb 4K and native 4k on Pro. Not every game on Scorpio will be native 4k either. Say what you will, but Horizon Zero Dawn in cb 4K with HDR is absolutely STUNNING and plenty good enough for me. I honestly think the super talented devs in Sony's stable will help bridge the specs gap between Pro and Scorpio. Scorpio may have higher specs, but Microsoft doesn't have a Naughty Dog, GG, or Sony Santa Monica. The Coalition and 343 just don't have the same chops. HZD, God of War, and Days Gone are shaping up as technical masterpieces. I wouldn't worry if you're a Sony fan, it's talented devs that make great games, not specs. Even Sucker Punch has some incredible technical prowess. After Second Son i can't wait to see what they do with Pro.
Of course that everybody knows since last E3 that Microsoft will sell the Scorpio as the only, real, first ever and so on 4k console on the market. With a couple of commercial stating that. What else can they say with a machine that is coming out on late 2017.
It's a lie, because PS4 has already done native 4k. They can't make this claim. They aren't first. Bottom line. http://www.eurogamer.net/ar... Now, while the list isn't huge, the fact that the PS4 Pro has already done this, even if it's one game, which it isn't, ;Stating they're the ONLY console capable of True 4k is complete bullshit and is false advertisement. Now if they move the Goal Posts and say "true 4k60fps" then, OK. Let's see it in action and lol.
@MyDietEqualsGames "It's a lie, because PS4 has already done native 4k. They can't make this claim. They aren't first. Bottom line." Agreed. I´m certain Greenberg has something to do it. Since Spencer already said that Native 4K is NOT MANDATORY, i can only wonder what the Xbox marketing team has been smoking -_-
Less than 1% of games available for the Pro in native 4k doesn't make it a true 4k console. It will remain to be seen if the Scorpio is going to render most of its games in native 4K though.
I'm so tired of the ignorance out there about PS4 Pro and native 4K. The PS4 Pro is a machine that is FULLY capable of outputting NATIVE 4K games and media. No it is not the most powerful games device out there (that would be PC) and has limited resoures. Thus, it is up to developers to decide if and how to implement native 4K or whatever resolution they want. But the PS4 Pro is a fully capable 4K gaming machine! With that said, hearing comments like Imalwaysright below about "less than 1% of games available for the Pro in native 4K..." is just wrong and ridiculous. Only 4 months out of launch, the list of native 4K PS4 Pro is actually 30+ ( http://www.neogaf.com/forum... and growing! That doesn't even include the 2160p Checkerboarding games like Horizon and Tomb Raider which look virtually identical to native 4K. Will most AAA games be native 4K on PS4 Pro? NO! Is is likely that Scorpio will have more native 4K games than PS4 Pro? Yes! That still doesn't take away the fact that PS4 Pro is capable of native 4K, has plenty of games in native 4K, and uses other intelligent approaches to deliver a very convincing image that is much higher quality than a standard 1080p output from a PS4/XB1.
@ idealty Yes it is wrong because if this list is accurate https://en.wikipedia.org/wi... it's actually 2.2% games available for it are that are Native 4k however I feel that my point still stands. Claiming that the Pro is a true 4k console when only 30 games out of 1350 are native 4K is imo ridiculous. Also no, by today's standards of graphical fidelity set by the PS4, the Pro is not a "fully capable 4K gaming machine" and checkerboarding isn't native 4k.
The Scorpio is about to eat the Playstation 4s lunch. Native 4k, 60fps is about to be a reality for one console only. Go talk to some PC gamers with rigs that are doing 4K. If a PC can hit 4K, 60fps with a little under 6TFlops you better believe a console built specifically for gaming will. I think its great that people are downplaying the Scorpio, by all means please continue.