That Gaming Site has a interesting article up on how studio closures at Microsoft usually "coincide" Xbox 360 price drops, they see how the two might be connected and raise some very interesting points.
To Microsoft, profit comes before integrity
Almost all companies follow that model, not just Microsoft.
some more than others *cough*EA*cough*
Sorry, Elven, but that little stealth stab at Sony didn't do anything. Everyone knows of the grubby likes of Microsoft.
Killjoy: Simple Economics, Sony does "dirty deeds" as well, can I bring up the hype machine? Each has their own way, it dosen't have to be static.
No need to be so defensive, just because someone mentions that Microsoft isn't really any more guilty of something than other companies, doesn't mean that they are taking a jab at Sony. I do believe that Sony "cares" about people more than Microsoft, but in the end, it's a company, and its goal is to make money.
I doubt it but LMFAO regardless. I wonder if microsoft is making any actual money at these prices. They have been in for 3yrs i think its about time they maybe want to start making some money on their hardware. Like peter moore said they are just obsessed with beating sony
MS figures it is better to have members familiar with their particular franchises on board at MGS, rather than have developers spread around. Plus, alot of the studios that were closed didn't provide quality products. They are probably following the Nintendo model and having all their people inhouse and having a person (like Miyamoto) or persons to oversee multiple projects at once. So in other words... if you have 10 classrooms with 10 teachers. You can break it down to 1 large room with 3-4 teachers and not as many students. Getting more done with less people. Also if a particular area is having a problem... they can easily aquire information from another area easily who have probably faced the same problem previously! Yeah it looks ugly that they are closing studios... but like I said, alot of them didn't make great games! When I looked at the list of studios, it took me a minute to remember what any of those studios made! Teachers (supervisors/managers) Students (workers)
*Sound of burning spitfire*
Only on FlopBox
[[o_o Microsoft are going down]]
And since the amount of money they lost because of this problem is so massive, M$ started closing first party studios.
hahaha,what a Flop Strategy
Poor Xbots,stuck with Flop First Party Studios that can not Produce AAA Quality Games
soon to be closed down studios ^^
[[wow,sucks to be a microsoft developer]]
doesn't beat the PS3 this year with that huge price cut they are in huge trouble. This would mean Sony can counter the price cut and deliver a bigger blow while MS cannot go make any further price cuts.
agreed, the 360 will stay at this price for a while, since MS already loses profits with every 360 they sell, they can't afford to lower the price even more (any lower and they'll start competing with the DS in terms of price)
That I'm going to give Microsoft the benefit of the doubt here. I'm inclined to believe that this is just a coincidence. If this is true however, this is a bit disappointing.
Man I need to take a break from N4G I can't take all this negativity. *runs to Xbox Fanboy. com*
And I repeat IF This is sort of counter productive. I guess in the immediate future it works because the price cuts will offset the wages paid to employees of those closed studios. But the problem with that is in the future. MS has to share a lot of games with Sony. So not having your own studios means less exclusives to yourself. Which in turn will mean much less income. But hell, I'm no corporate dude so I can't say anything for sure. But that's just my opinion
this is a common practice. if you can't beat your competition with quality then beat them on price. the problem is if this doesn't work then the next step is to dump the product and start again like they did with the xbox 1. looks like history is repeating itself. Sony on the other hand is trying the studio development(lbp,kz2) and adding new features( ie. home) approach first before having to resort to a price drop that will happen as their cost come down in the future. notice that nintendo is staying pat
Microsoft while having some faults is a very calculating company. If they are closing studios they have a good reason to do so. Remember way back the rumors that EA would launch a console? And now Peter Moore is at EA still beating the MS drum... And the EA guy he replaced is now at MS... And now MS is shedding studios... And there are more and more talk of a new Xbox console... If you follow the bread crumbs I would think it possible that MS might do a partnership or joint venture with EA for the next console.
So the theory is Microsoft basically kill great developers for more console sales? Sounds incredibly possible. Explains why a lot of developers have got the heck away from MGS and found new publishers. Soylent Green is people!
That was exactly the point I was trying to make in my post above. If they are doing this, eventually it becomes counter productive because people won't buy a system with nothing to offer. Sure you'll get your sales at first. But when their audience starts to turn their backs on them and stop buying, you can bet your ass they'll miss those closed studios
Announcing that microsoft will close Ensemble studios immediately after Halo Wars is released, just makes it sound like the game is gonna flop
maybe ms is slowly cutting their losses and closing shop all together. makes me wonder
Is it just me or the jackass who wrote this article drunk most of the koolaid.
nope Microsoft are closing studios because the employees of those companies are moving to Microsoft game studio that's my opinion
These studios were Microsoft Game Studios. MGS is the same thing as Sony Worldwide Studios, it's an umbrella name for the development teams. Microsft Game Studios has never made a game per se, but the dev teams under it have.
Just what the f*ck is Microsoft doing? They are a bunch of idiots. That's all I have to say about that. 1. They close down first party studios. 2. They slashed prices here in the U.S and are slashing prices in Europe. 3. They barely have any exclusives for this year aside from multiplatform games, Last Remnant, Gears 2, Fable II, and Left 4 Dead. I don't see people buying 360's for games like this. This is the beginning of the end.
Perhaps the strategy for M$ is truly leave first party studios, and save that money for timed exclusive. Its the only logical thing to think, cos they are practically dropping studios one by one. If we assume they are not giving up that is
I don't see them giving up but their strategy baffles me.
This is a gamble.
No games to play is not good. 09 for 360 might be like 07 for PS3...
This is really bad news for us, but good for Microsoft really. I mean, the 360 really isn't known for its exclusives. Sure everyone loves Gears, and Halo, but for the most part its just the die hards that really care about them. I think Microsoft is counting alot on third party games to keep its system alive. Which is smart cause to me its really the third party games that sell the most.
While I don't think that is what MS is doing, it does make sense with how MS has handled some of its studios in the past few months, such as Bungie and Ensemble. I'm curious to see if, once Fable II is released, Lionhead is dropped too. If that happens, then I think there will be validity to this article. On a related note, I still think that Silicon Knights is the next to be let go by MS. Yet they will maintain the second party relationship MS seems to setup with its former holdings. But I don't think anything will be announced until the end of MS fiscal year.
I doubt Lionhead will be on the chopping block any time soon, Silicon Knights is not owned by anyone, they are independent.
they like screwing up things next will be lionhead and rare
I doubt Rare since they release a ton of games for Microsoft, usually all these titles sell a million at the original price point.
Turn 10 next. They've pretty much created a trilogy of racing games, job done according to MS. They probably own the IP so they can ship it to anyone else they see fit. Wam bam, thankyou mam. That's what I see with my hypothetical crystal ball. Lionhead and Rare will remain as they rake in the money and MS would seriously be fools to p**s Molyneux off as he would just come back bigger and better like what happened with Bullfrog and now. Rare fans would go insane if they get shutdown. Also, Rare own lots of IP too, which no doubt MS will own now too, so likewise, they also could arguably and controversially shut down Rare and just send out the IP, but I very much doubt that. But its Turn 10 next.
No not Turn 10 because they do more realism stuff like the Flight Sim guys at MGS.
if that happen ill be disappointing.....most company's are like that #1 is Profit..look how rich gamestop is and they like to give stores like 85 hours for 6 (repeating 6) employees for a week ....but i mean we need them just like we need Wal-mart like Microsoft - i mean they gave us computers with out them for the past 8 years of my life what would i have done... Sony - everyone OWNS at least 1 SONY product in every house hold in my theory's. OLED (freaking some crazy stuff i cant comprehend it lol) tv crazy stuff. BOTH INVENT STUFF FOR US...FOR THE WORLD...sh!t let them profit without them... man life would suck...and BOTH have the ups and downs (mistakes)
"Firing your game developers does not increase sales!"
since Bungie did not close down, they should not have even mentioned it in the article.........adding Bungie was like pulling strings in order to have a decent argument.
M$ still has Alan Wake to hype.
So, how is this gonna help the 360 in the long run if they no more exclusive devs to show off their console? Microsoft is an idiot. First Bungie and then who's next? Epic Games. If they have no more exclusive devs that means those devs that left can work on the PS3 and make better games. Imagine Halo 4 & Gears of War 3 on the PS3 in 1080P that would be awesome. Microsoft you may have a low price console but if you have no games to show off your console then your not gonna win the console war or any war for that matter. Why do people on the 360 put up w/ this crap? Seriously if Sony didn't deliver I'd switch to a better console but since that's not possible and that'll never happen Sony will always be my console brand of choice. 360 literally has no games for 2009 and nothing for 2010. How are they gonna compete against Sony in the long run or in future wars if they have no good devs to show off their consoles?
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