New Microsoft IP’s Need Good Sales And Room To Expand To Get Sequels Says Phil Spencer

ThisGenGaming says "In the final bunch of tweets that Phil Spencer replied to on Twitter today, he explained what is needed from new IP's to get sequels. Xbox fans have not been pleased with the lack of sequels from Xbox One's new IP's, and questioned why the should invest in the characters for future IP's if a sequel isn't going to happen."

[Lennoxb63]

I'm a big fan of their IPs but I think the main 3 (Forza, Halo, Gears) should go on a hiatus until the next gen. Let some new IPs get some shine and then bring them back later.

[DiceAndRice]

Agreed. 2017 could be that year with State Of Decay getting a sequel which is one of the few newer Microsoft IP's to get a sequel in some time, and there's the new IP's. It looks like there will always be a Halo, Gears, Forza title per year though.

[lastking95]

Halo is a 3 year cycle, and gears isnt yearly either. More uncharted games have release quicker than the main halo games.

[ABizzel1]

MS has tried to make several new IP's this gen, the problem is they've all been underwhelming whether sales wise, or just an underwhelming game in general.

I think the problem with MS is that they simply don't have enough teams to make New IP's with the same quality as Sony. I hate to use PS as an example for fanboy complaints, but it is what it is.

PlayStation developers generally have 2 teams, or at least their main team and smaller studio(s) within that team so they can work on 2 projects at once.

For example Naught Dog has Uncharted and The Last of Us. The main team works on finishing up Uncharted, while the other team starts development on TLoU, allowing them to deal with 2 IP's in the same generation providing variety.

Guerilla Games has two teams, and they were able to make Killzone Shadow Fall, Killzone Mercenaries, and soon Horizon. And more than likely Guerilla Cambridge is working on a new Killzone or FPS for PS4.

Sony Santa Monica is working on God of War, and they help plenty of other developers make their games as well (especially indie devs). The same with Sony Japan.

Insomniac made Ratchet and Clank, and now they're working on Spiderman.

This is how Sony gets away with having a constant release of games especially after you factor in 2nd party and 3rd party support.

MS doesn't have this, and unfortunately they're best developers are stuck making the same games over and over again (Halo, Forza, Gears), and they leave their New IP's to their lesser 1st and 2nd party teams.

[BizarroUltraman]

@Abizzle,
I agreed but Insomniac is not a Sony developer studio. Just independent that works with Sony more than any other console maker.

[darthv72]

There is a stigma surrounding the xbox platform that needs to be addressed. If MS can figure out that then they can work harder to build up the platform to the point where consumers feel confident in having both to provide them with entertainment in varied and diverse ways.

Then games like Ryse and Sunset OD and others would get the sales needed to secure sequels and continue their respected narratives.

Kind of like in network TV. A network that has a history of canceling new shows before they are really given a chance is not going to have the viewership that is needed to keep a show from being canceled. But to keep a show from being canceled.... they need to keep the show on long enough to build viewership. MS needs to have the confidence in their product even when consumers are 'iffy' on it. By showing they support the product and providing it with content then consumers on the fence begin to take notice. the whole... "if you build it, they will come" idea.

MS needs to invest $$ into these new games and not be afraid that they won't make huge $$ right from the start and then pull the plug on any possible follow-up. doing that routine is how they get into the situation they are in. And as long as they keep doing that then consumers are going to keep seeing things the same way. Why buy an xbox when they know a game they may like wont get support because MS is just more concerned with making a $ instead of keeping customers happy.

[trouble_bubble]

Lastking, son, it was FIVE YEARS between Uncharted 3 --2011-- and Uncharted 4 --2016--

Halo 4 was 2012, Halo 5 was 2015. That's THREE. You can't count.

Don't act like Reach wasn't a full blown AAA Halo game either. It outsold and outscored both 4 and 5.

[Yohshida]

You mean like Sea of Thieves and Scalebound plus sequels to older games like crackdown, state of decay and Halo Wars?

[Gazondaily]

Ssssh don't mention those games!

[Kaneki-Ken]

You saying PlayStation is milking their franchise more but explain to me how many games does forza have right now since I am pretty sure that franchise it's getting more Milked that any PlayStation game.

[UltraNova]

Yeah MS's 2017 lineup is a breath of fresh air for the xbox camp + Scorpio will be released with a new launch IP, hopefully.

That said, Phil needs to make sure they provide new quality IPs in order to promote the idea that xbox is not just halo, gears and forza; break the mold if you like, only then will people bite.

And for God's sake Phil take it easy...DO more - talk less!

Edit - septic

Every little helps😉

[Gazondaily]

"And for God's sake Phil take it easy...DO more - talk less!"

Ah yes...those two line tweets take SO much time!

[trooper_]

And Halo Wars is yet...

Another Halo game!

[DarXyde]

Okay, I don't have any particular problems with Xbox. I own one specifically for exclusives that catch my eye, but I think you can do better than two games that are still off, one of which was announced quite some time ago

As for those sequels, Halo Wars is, in fact, still a Halo game. Crackdown is more about using a familiar franchise to demo their cloud technology. I don't recall those games being lucrative successes (I could be wrong, I didn't bother to validate that) but it's a good way to show off new tech: by using a game people recognize at least partly in name and showing what it can do.

I have nothing to say about State of Decay. All things considered, Microsoft can definitely be doing more. They mentioned investing in their own studios, which is a great idea. They just need something to show for it. Of the first party studios, I think most gamers would identify their offerings as the weakest unquestionably.

[Yohshida]

So Halo Wars is just another Halo game? Tell me what other Sony IP is an rts? You could just aswell say last of us is another Uncharted

[Relientk77]

They need to stop relying on the same 3 games all the time. Especially when Forza is every year and we get some Halo game every year as well I.e. Halo Collection, Halo 5 and next year is Halo Wars 2

[Kribwalker]

Didn't know we got a new halo game this year, can you send me a link so I might purchase it

[BizarroUltraman]

Last I checked Halo is a fps and Halo Wars is a rts. Same game hardly!

[Chevalier]

@Last King

" Halo is a 3 year cycle, and gears isnt yearly either. More uncharted games have release quicker than the main halo games."

Wtf?! Uncharted 3 was a 2011 release and Uncharted 4 was released 2016. That's a 5 year gap between entries. Since 2011 there has been 2 Halo Games, 2 Remasters and 2 mobile games. So get your facts straight. Uncharted has not released quicker as you suggest.

[Kribwalker]

Since 2001 halo has released
Halo
Halo 2
Halo 3
Halo reach
Halo anniversary remaster
Halo 4
Halo master chief collection
Halo 5

Since 2007 uncharted has
Uncharted
Uncharted 2
Uncharted 3
Uncharted Nathan drake collection
Uncharted 4

Which puts them at an almost identical (halo 1.85years per release vs 1.8years for uncharted)

Now if you want to count spinoff/mobile games

Halo spartan assault
Halo spartan strike
And halo wars

Vs
Fight for fortune
And golden abyss

Which then drops uncharted to 1.28years per game vs halo 1.36 years

So in reality they are both milked, a lot.

[Chevalier]

@Krib

You forgot ODST
Halo Wars

Main entries that's actually 10 Halo Games over 15 years so it's actually 1.5 years per game. Nice omissions to try to plead your case, but, your wrong as usual.

So it's 1.5 for Halo and 1.8 for Uncharted.

Uncharted didn't exist in 2001 when Halo was made.

Since 2007 if you line up releases:

Halo 3
Halo Reach
Halo ODST
Halo Wars
Halo Anniversary
Halo 4
Halo Masterchief collection
Halo 5

So over 9 years that's 8 main series entries. 1.125 Years per game /remaster average.

Versus
4 Uncharted games and Uncharted collection
1.8 Years

Interesting that you had to go back to Halo 1 to skew your argument.

Just the last 2 generations there clearly has been almost yearly Halo releases.

[Kribwalker]

Halo wars was not a main entry, it's a spinoff from a FPS to a RTS. Not even close to the same. Odst sure, most halo fans look at odst as a expansion and not a stand alone game, but golden abyss should be counted as a main entry then as well, as it is the same game just a portable version.

So

Main games since 2007

Uncharted 1
Uncharted 2
Uncharted 3
Golden abyss
Nathan drake collection
Uncharted 4

Halo 3
Halo 3 odst
Halo reach
Halo anniversary
Halo 4
MCC
Halo 5

Because if I'm "skewing" the list by going back to the beginning of the franchise, you are trying to skew the list by adding 2 mobile top down twin stick shooters and a RTS that has nothing to do with the FPS series other then a name but it's completely different from halo.

So since 2007 there has been 1 more game released for halo then uncharted, and it was an expansion

[Yohshida]

Dont worry guys, I got you covered with all the facts

Halo
https://twitter.com/VideoGa...

Uncharted
https://twitter.com/VideoGa...

Sony should really stop milking Uncharted

[Kribwalker]

@videogamelab

Quit proving points. Chevalier and friends don't take to kindly to that

[BizarroUltraman]

I agree aswell. With those games especially, you can continue to give new content to keep it fresh. Instead of new one every year. And work on something new or rehash some of Xbox older Ips and give them next gen treatment.

[Kribwalker]

@city

It was 9 over 15 years (odst wasn't included because it's viewed as a expansion much like infamous first light, but chevalier was complaining so I included it for him) but I also don't count a RTS and top down twin stick shooters which would then make it 8 in 15 years with 2 remastered (10 total)

I agree with you tho, people here say MS just rehashes games, while the frequency of games like halo and uncharted and infamous etc are almost the same

[gamer7804]

i'd say keep these three going strong, but invest in new studies and diversify game times, i really would like to see some traditional RPG's from MS, rpg/fantasy has been lacking now that lion head closed down.

[jznrpg]

Fable was never very good to begin with

[conanlifts]

No i disagree. I want more gears not less. 1 new gears installment since the xbox one has released is certainly not over working the franchise.

Plus they have released some good ( but not amazing) new ips. Maybe ms should just expand on those. A quantum break that focuses on fixing the things people disliked about the first would be great.

Plus halo wars 2 is a sequel to a new ip in the halo universe.

In addition sea of thieves is a new ip from one of their main studios. They also own scalebound ip.

[chadwarden]

That's like asking nintendo to put Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon on hiatus.....

[MRMagoo123]

they should do that imo ........but Nintendo also have a lot of other exclusives .....nearly every game they have is exclusive.

[chadwarden]

They don't have any other big name exclusives.

[FallenAngel1984]

Microsoft have yet to release a new IP this generation that becomes a big hit so far

[ThePope]

Is that so? Based on what? Sales numbers? Could you please provide me with those numbers, you wouldn't make the argument based on sales if you didn't have the numbers.

Or based on popularity? Halo 5 is as of writing is in the top 10 on twitch.

Perhaps you're referring to Metacritic? The only people that care about that aren't real gamers.

[DiceAndRice]

Halo 5 or should I say "Halo" is not a new IP.

[trouble_bubble]

Publishers pay bonuses based on metacritic, not twitch streaming.

The only certainty about twitch is people watching the streams aren't playing the game themselves.

[Gaming_Cousin]

Currently looking up Halo 5 on twitch. It is currently 80th most watched game. You liar. I watch twitch plenty and there is no way it reaches top 10 unless there is a tournament.

[Miss_Weeboo]

You realized what you are saying is really... really...
new IP
NEW: like in "non existent before"
Halo: a series since 2001

[Razzer]

His statement is pretty straight forward. Why don't you just respond and tell him why he is wrong?

Halo 5....smh.

[guyman]

Thepope

Bloodborne

[Markusb33]

I think he wrote New Ip not established ip's

[Muzikguy]

Halo 5 isn't a new IP!! Also, why are you defending this so hard when Microsoft themselves are saying the same thing!! Can we say delusional??

[DigitalRaptor]

Dude - you must know what he's talking about.

Halo: Combat Evolved was a new IP that had a HUGE impact and defined the Xbox.

Gears of War was a new IP that had a HUGE impact and defined the Xbox 360.

Xbox One has had nothing even remotely close to a "NEW IP" at that level.

[Why o why]

until dawn

[FallenAngel1984]

Based on common sense. 🙄 Just look at Microsoft's first party lineup so far in the 8th gen. No new IP they released has become a huge hit like Halo and Gears of War did when they first released.

http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

The highest selling XO exclusive that's a new IP this far is Ryse: Son of Rome, and Microsoft doesn't even own that IP. The second highest selling XO exclusive new IP is Sunset Overdrive, and that game didn't even sell well when released and it too isn't even an IP owned by Microsoft. The highest selling XO exclusive new IP this generation that Microsoft does own is Quantum Break and that game hasn't even sold pass 1 million.

I can't believe you bring up Halo 5 in a discussion about new IPs 🤣

[andrewsquall]

Its not even that they don't own it either but Crytek are literally in the process of closing down right now.

[yeahright2]

Well to be fair, I don't know anyone who expected sunset overdrive to do well as an xbox exclusive. Everything about that game screamed "I belong on playstation".

[darthv72]

That's a real shame about Ryse and Sunset OD. Both of those games are a blast to play and certainly deserve more sales than they received. Then again most one sided gamers wouldn't know a good game on a competing platform if it bit them in the ass.

[BizarroUltraman]

Everytime I wanna say something but I keep forgetting you're talking about "new ip sales" which I do agree.

[DigitalRaptor]

Xbox - Halo came along and was massive.
Xbox 360 - Gears of War came along and was massive.
Xbox One - ???

Microsoft REALLY needs that brand new hit IP that will define their brand and make a difference. It's part of the reason they're trailing this gen. They ain't getting it cause it doesn't look like they are trying to deliver one. Who ever had confidence to believe Ryse or Sunset Overdrive would be hits? Their new IPs this gen have all failed in one way or another to prevent that from happening.

Try harder Phil. Green-light something of the quality and ambition of the likes of Horizon Zero Dawn or Uncharted. Or find the talent to do so, because I really don't think any MS studio or associate has the capability right now. I don't even think MS has the capability to foster another huge, industry-leading first-party franchise like they did with their first 2 consoles.

[Summons75]

Well sadly we live in an age where people demand something new then cry and don't try the new when it's given to them and they demand a sequel. "Why doesn't (place company name here) make any new games!!!!" then when shown a new game "This suckz, why no Halo276, God Of War 42, or Mario 972?"

I buy new games if they interest me. Loved Sunset Overdrive and Quantum Break. Sadly some new IPS like Recore and Knack didn't do that well for good reasons like poor gameplay, Knack at least is getting a second chance and I hope it does well since the first had a great concept poor on the follow through. Sea of Theives looks interesting but MS needs to give a better demo than that godawful E3 demo with the very loud obnoxious youtubers doing very scripted acting.

[jaymacx]

I agree but its not always that. Maybe the games just aren't that good? Also Just because its "new IP" it doesn't mean NEW. Why? If it plays the same as other games and just has different characters but the same game-play and similar type story it doesn't feel new. I think VR has opened up a door for great innovation. Its innovation that will spark people's excitement. That's why they need New Ips that aren't shooters. Maybe make some new RPG or Flight game. Variety is the spice of life. Who knows.... make a Really good sports arcade type game that screams fun.

EDIT: Just thought of this.... They have RARE! So its their fault for the poor success of Perfect Dark. Just Make a good solid game and people will take notice. Zero was awful compared to the N64 classic ... you also saw the response to Yooka Laylee. Banjo Kazooie needs to have a great platformer.

[Ravenor]

@jaymacX could people get that Perfect Dark and Goldeneye are only considered good because of the platform they were on, compared to their contemporaries on the PC they were garbage fires that ran at 10fps. Response to Yooka Laylee doesn't translate to success and I'm a little shocked anyone is sitting around like "You know what we need? More games where you collect crap!"

[mcstorm]

I agree with FallenAngel but what new PS4 IP has been a hit? its the same on both consoles tbh. The issues with gaming today is we live in a world of the same as and hype. Look at phones its the same 2 that sell Yoy games are the same. Every year the top 10 has COD, BF, AC, FIFA, GTA and a few others in it so its hard for new IP's to break into the market. Its not just Microsoft that have the issue Sony do to. Nintendo have really only had a big success with a new IP and that was Splatoon.

[MasterCornholio]

The nice thing about Sony is that they are capable of giving new IPs a second chance. And they can support the development of a new IP for over 10 years.

@Zekk

It did well but it's not really a 1st party new IP. The game was developed by From Software in collaboration with Sonys Japan Studios.

[zekk]

Didn't Bloodborne do well for a.new IP. I mean PC and Xbox owners were pretty upset it wasn't released for them. Also there are new IPS like Detroit and horizon zero dawn coming out that look promising.

[freshslicepizza]

ori and the blind forest is probably the closest thing so far but its not a full $60 aaa game. many enjoy sunset overdrive but its not their game and i dont think sales were all that great.

it is very hard to create new hits, ubisoft and many others also struggle. what new ip's have sony made that were hits? the order failed, driveclub and the team dismantled, knack is getting a sequel but the first didnt get good reviews and probably didn't sell that well but its mark cerny's pet project so they gave it another green light. bloodborne doesn't really count as its just another souls clone from the same team. the tomorrow children is a big flop. so as you can see they too are not immune.

nintendo did good with splatoon but again very few new ip's that did well.

i wish microsoft wouldn't rely so much on games doing well to continue. hopefully a new phantom dust comes out to show they too can support games that may not have been a commercial success. games are very expensive to make and they all want hits but at least sony will push forward with games like detroit and days gone and horizon pushing new ip's. sea of thieves looks awesome so there is that and cuphead seems to be getting a lot of attention on the indie front.

[MecheSlays]

Facts

[BizarroUltraman]

You obviously mean sales wise, because theyve got games that I would consider hits for the Xbox fanbase which is what matters. Yeah compared to exclusive games on Playstation their not selling a ton. But their selling enough to keep the chains moving.

I will leave this lil side bit behind tho. I like Xbox, and play all their games. But the fans, they do disappoint me at times because they dont support their games and then complain after. And Im not out of line, the facts are there...

[Ravenor]

I didn't like Sunset Overdrive, I didn't like Halo Wars 2, I don't like Dead Rising (Never have), Quantum Break was fine....but just like The Order on the PS4 once you beat the game what do you do with it? As an Xbox owner what else am I supposed to do? I already bought SD, but I'm sure as hell not going to buy DLC or continue to support a game I thought played kinda poorly.

For the most part, the first party efforts from MS have been kind of weak. It's just being reflected in the sales and general attitude towards the brand.

[conanlifts]

That's the problem i guess. They have released some very good new ips. But nothing to the scale of halo, gears uncharted etc. Unfortunately these new ip are overlooked as they are good but not amazing. Maybe sea of thieves ( really not sure about this yet) or scalebound can alter this for them.

[NeoGamer232]

Ummm how many new IPs have come from the big 3 (Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony) and become a big hit so far?

Bloodborne and Splatoon.

Sony = 1, Nintendo = 1, and Microsoft =0.

It is not like there is a runaway difference in volumes of new IPs that are hits from the big three.

[-Foxtrot]

Room to expand? Really?

It's like when Hollywood plans a film but they think too much about a trilogy rather then focusing on the film they are making

Only big sales and games you can milk made from the ground up for a franchise. Wow Phil...good leadership /s

[freshslicepizza]

good reading skills. he said it's about balance. sales are only part of it. they are after all funding scalebound and sea of thieves and have funded recore, ryse, quantum break, sunset overdrive and others as well. sony has shut down studios and cancelled ip's as well. nintendo doesn't offer too many new ip's.

it's a profit driven business, you know this. at least i hope you do but then again you seem to lack common sense in why games get dlc, seasons passes and other microtransactions when production costs to make games costs more and more but you want games to cost the same.

[trooper_]

And how many studios Sony shut down as compared with the ones they have now?

They're still pumping out new IPs. Stop making excuses for Microsoft.

[Gazondaily]

What's wrong with what he said? An IP needs the room/team to expand it.

What exactly did he say wrong there??

[Eonjay]

Its about risk and brand building. So in the past Phil has applauded Sony for taking risks on new IP and their IP in general. Microsoft is, inherently, more conservative. This minimizes risk but it also leaves their lineup looking a lot more stale than their competition's. So there is nothing 'wrong' with it but at the same time there obviously is. So what if the first iteration of your new IP doesn't sell gangbusters? Build on it and find opportunities to build on those IP. A lot of new IP doesn't really come into its own until the sequel.

[Razzer]

Why are you guys just buying into any excuse Spencers gives for the lack of new games? It is baffling.

@septic - Pretty sure MS has the resources to do just about whatever the hell they want with new games. They are simply choosing not to. Believe what you want tho.

@Ravenor Are you a stockholder or a gamer? And yes, Sony's exclusives are a huge part of why they are on top. Are the lack of interesting games the reason Xbox isn't on top? Yes...of course. It is all about the games. I'm sticking with the company that continues to provide the games. When Microsoft beats them at that....I'll jump the fence. I'm not loyal to Sony. Only the games.

[Gazondaily]

"So there is nothing 'wrong' with it but at the same time there obviously is. So what if the first iteration of your new IP doesn't sell gangbusters? Build on it and find opportunities to build on those IP. "

You can't build on it without the requisite team OR the room to build on it. Phil references that in his tweet. Expanding for the sake of it doesn't help. Phantom Dust is an example of a game that is being built on regardless of its obscure status worldwide.

I don't see the reason for the hate.

@Razzer- read the article and our comments and come back to us.

[Eonjay]

I'm not sure that there is hate... well not coming from this end like I stated there are real financial realities that come along with new development and that is where the concept of risk comes in.

[Ravenor]

@Razzer

MS can have all the money in the world, it doesn't mean MS Games Publishing or Phil have the ability to just throw money at anything and everything. Let me ask you guys this, do you really think Sony first party titles are the reason they're on top? I don't.

[TKCMuzzer]

@Eonjay is correct.
It's all about risk and reward. When Uncharted released it was a good game but did not fly off the shelves. Even so, Sony backed this up by allowing ND to create Uncharted 2. This built on everything from the first game and ended up being one of the best games of the generation. The knock on effect was, more people then when out and purchased the original Uncharted. Sony then allowed ND to create a new IP which would have been a risk as it was so far away from Uncharted ( The Last Of Us).
Franchises don't become successful over night, it's something you have to be in the long haul for and that is not Microsoft's game, their deals for Rise Of The Tomb Raider are a quick fix instead of investing.
Quantum Break may not have been a high seller but they should support a second game allowing the devs to build up on the original, trusting them to make a better, more appealing game.
If you want a user base and a dedicated one at that you have to be committed to the cause, you have to invest in variety as well as franchised projects.It works both ways, gamers must also get behind that philosophy but at present MS don't give the confidence of that direction were as Sony have already laid the ground with the PS brand. PS owners already know they will get variety, from established franchises, to reboots, to completely new IP's and also one off unique games.
So we sit here, Sony has a stellar line up confirmed going forward, we see footage of games to come and yet MS keep going on about Scoppio, article after article and there lies my worry, another quick fix. When they should be pushing unique and new games to sell the Xbox One, they are just trying to get quick sales by going on about power.
At some point Microsoft's needs to understand that power is not the issue, their philosophy to the gaming market and their user base is.

(People won't agree but ask yourselves, why are so many Xbox One owners so exited about the Scorpio 12 months out? So excited, that a lot of them on here say they can't wait, it's too long. The answer is obvious you just have to want to say it?)

[Why o why]

Bang on TKCMuzzer

I was going to use the first uncharted as an example but you've laid it out neatly. Microsoft got scared out of continuing a concerted focus on new ips from the not so great sales/reception of the projects they released prior. Games cant all hit halo numbers. Microsoft prefer others take the risks and that has been their mantra for long enough for many to notice and turn off. The worst thing is ms have an infinite cash cheat (according to some on n4g) so they should easily be able to buy and retain talent .......... In reality the infinite cash hasn't done this which means there's issues elsewhere no?

[Gazondaily]

How did Microsoft get scared of releasing new ips or sequels to not so big titles when that's what they are in fact doing? More now than before?

Sunset Overdrive
D4
Quantum Break
Recore
Scalebound
Crackdown sequel
Sea of Thieves
Halo wars 2
Phantom Dust

You guys speak in generalities but all this talk about diversity and you're getting from MS next year more so than you do usually.

[ONESHOTV2]

just give me state of decay on steam so we can mod it everything else you can keep on the windows store

[Legion21]

Wait, it is on steam already

[ONESHOTV2]

no i mean state of decay 2 and yes i already have part 1 on steam fully modded

[andrewsquall]

So no to Sunset Overdrive, Recore, Kinect Sports Rivals (lol) sequels. Yay to Forza, Forza Horizon and Gears of War sequels.

[Yohshida]

Recore did really well and will for sure get a sequel. Phil himself put over 60h into the game alone and really likes it.
Aside from that, we dont know about any Sale figures and cant judge if it did well or not. Most people here claim fh3 didnt do well, but is in the Top 3 most played games on Xboxone.

[MasterCornholio]

Recore did really well?

Are you talking about the reviews?

We don't know sales for Recore which is why I know your not talking about that.

@Gib

Well the only thing I can guess is that to him the game did well because Phil Spencer enjoyed it.

@Video

"When asked on Twitter, Major nelson confirmed that Recore did really well. "

Well he isn't going to tell people that it sold badly or anything.

"Also alot of sales would be digital because of PC and play anywhere."

Well that's just an assumption your making. Most of the time we don't have data on digital sales so it's extremely difficult to calculate total sales with digital sales included.

Edit:

"Last year they announced that every exclusive they had sold well over a million. Now with more consoles out plus PC sales you guys are telling me they sold less?????? ?? Give me a break"

And what proof do you have that Recore sold over a million copies?

Just to quote your source.

https://www.ticgn.com/all-m...

"Every title in our exclusive 2015 holiday games line-up – Halo 5: Guardians, Rise of the Tomb Raider, Forza Motorsport 6 and Gears of War: Ultimate Edition – sold over 1 million units"

The issue I have is that they only mentioned established Microsoft AAA franchises achieving those sales (minus Tomb Raider) so that doesn't mean it's true for a 40$ B budget title that's a new IP that wasn't critically acclaimed.

[Gibreel87]

Wait, what?
Recore did well?
In what universe?
We know for sure it sold less than 50k in US according to NPD in it's first month. Add the mixed reviews and you have an IP that will probably be forgotten for a long time.

[Yohshida]

When asked on Twitter, Major nelson confirmed that Recore did really well.

50k retail in the us plus World wide sales plus digital plus PC sales plus great deals on Black friday = good sales for a game that didnt cost too much.

Also alot of sales would be digital because of PC and play anywhere.

But hey, lets pretend noone bought it.

[Doabarrelroll]

You really are going to take the words of major Nelson on recore. You know what else he claimed did really well? QB
Guess what still has even reached a million. So know recore hasn't done really well stop being delusional.

I don't know if it's because the amount of Xbox gamers are small this gen compared to last, but apart from halo 5 no exclusive on Xbox has done ground breaking numbers. On sonys side most games have at least reached 1-2mil WITHOUT being on PC

Xbox exclusives sell as well as an average Japanese game on PS4 that isn't good at all, it's without a doubt one of the reasons MS is bringing their games to PC and if think that's a lie your delusional.

[Razzer]

No....it didn't sell well at all. And that was at a $40 price tag. Not saying it won't have a sequel (anything is possible), but don't delude yourself in saying it sold well.

[trooper_]

Uh, Recore didn't do well, lol.

[Yohshida]

Last year they announced that every exclusive they had sold well over a million. Now with more consoles out plus PC sales you guys are telling me they sold less?????? ?? Give me a break

I rather take the words of a guy who actually knows the sales over vgfartz any day.

[Razzer]

@VideoGameLab

Are you serious? So you are saying Recore rose to the level of Halo 5: Guardians, Rise of the Tomb Raider, Forza Motorsport 6 and Gears of War: Ultimate Edition. LOL. No fucking way Recore sold over a million. Not even close. If Recore had sold that many copies, you know damn well Greenberg and Spencer would be screaming it to the heavens. You are just deluding yourself, pal.

[DigitalRaptor]

God damn. Seems like you're pretty gullible in your support of this corporation.

Major Nelson claimed that MGSV was an XB1 exclusive. He claimed that the original XB1 would support 4K gaming. He openly confirmed just days ago that he has no problem with misleading consumers in the name of marketing their products. Damn, you actually think this man has credibility....

Practically all new IPs on XB1 have flopped, and you're here pretending otherwise.

[Emme]

They need more in the vein of Alan Wake and Quantum Break, something unique with character, depth, twists. I am not interested in Sunset Overdrive for examples, but I like Quantum Break and love the buddy feels ng in Gears.Xbox needs some fresh ideas.Also need to polish stuff, compare Sony exclusives with stuff like Quantum Break.Miles apart. I don't even know if The Order and Ryse Look equally great.

[Youngindy21]

I've played both and both are great games, but Sunset Overdrive is better than Quantum Break. SO is one of if not my favorite game of this gen.

[Emme]

In the end Sony realised that they dont sell Hardware, but platforms for Games, and what sells the PS4 is stuff like GTA, TLOU or Horizon. MS needs to get Back on track.

[KillBill]

How does GTA sell platforms when it is multi-platform? Isn't the point of a game selling a platform being that it is exclusive to that platform?

Edit: @Emme - that has absolutely nothing to do with a game selling a platform. If you can buy a game on either platform than the deciding point IS NOT the game but the platform itself. Which is what you pointed out even n your reply.

[Emme]

Well, if You think about it, people probably bought a PS4 to play GTA, as its the visually best console version, so if You want to play GTA on console, PS4 is the one You need. A PS4 GTA bundle surely sells great, probably better than an Xbox bundle, so the exclusive part comes from beeing the console with the best graphics.Its multiplat but doesnt look equal on both consoles.

[Miss_Weeboo]

Well... first of all, I think, for new IP's to get expand and sequels, you need to try with... new IP's. I mean you can't release a Forza game every 6 months and then expect a new IP will magically grow out of that... you also need the new IP to be actually good, fresh and original to really be considered new.

[jaymacx]

You are saying basically what I said but you said it so much better. They have great IPS already they just need to get some cutting edge developers and make hits for them. Rocksteady making batman was one of the best successes last gen using an ip to its potential. Insomniac making Spider-msn is huge for sony.

[NextGenCeo]

When someone saying NEW IP in gaming market my brain just calling me Sony and Playstation. This is happening with reflex that's all.
(ESL guy here so sorry for English)

[trouble_bubble]

If Crackdown 3 launches beside Project: scorponok, I think it's all but guaranteed to be a big seller. They need to roll a good game out with the Scorponok. By any means necessary. New console, new game, new bundle. New money.

[Retroman]

Tell you like IT is...... if MS stop making same game Over and Over and Over Halo,Gears,Forza maybe sales would Grow. Shit, if i own XS only 3 FKing games i'll be Bitchen too. more ip's need to come.

[Emme]

Lets see how Sea of Thieves turns out. Still Not Sure about the metagame of that.

[Sciurus_vulgaris]

Ori should be getting a sequel.

[KillBill]

I think new IPs of Scalebound and Sea of Thieves are a good start coming up for MS. But what I would really like to see alongside some new IPs are some older IPs that I think if done well could be revived to see some good sales numbers.

IPs I have in mind for what I call a revive would be:

MechAssault
MechWarrior
Crimson Skies
Blood Wake
Tao Feng
And of course Lost Odyssey needs to become a series to compete with FF titles.

And though a strained relationship between developer and Microsoft at the time occurred, I would like to see 'True Fantasy Live Online' revived from its cancellation and actually made. The game looked promising. MS could easily buy this up and make it for this Gen system.

I think all titles are something different enough from current offerings but having a level of variety for Microsoft. (likely some titles not actually owned by them but could be bought or contracted)

[Emme]

Indeed !! Mechwarrior and a great JRPG would be good moves ! Also, why not cooperate with EA and Obsidian to bring a new KOTOR or even TOR MMO to xbox exclusively ? Funny enough, no one can challenge Mario Kart , despite the fact that Skylanders had a pretty good clone of it...it takes ONE game of Mario Kart appeal, just ONE to break Nintendos dominance...

[KillBill]

KOTOR revival would be an excellent choice in my opinion but pretty sure that if made it would likely be a multi-platform title.

[Doabarrelroll]

Okay Let's compare New IP between Sony and MS, I'm including fresh games so sequels DO NOT COUNT if theres a two at the end of the name it doesn't count as New IP. I'll be including third party and only big games no indie games.

MS
Ryse
Sunset Overdrive
Quantum break
Scalebound
Sea of thieves
Recore

Sony
Driveclub
Knack
Horizon
Detroit become human
Days gone
Death stranding
The order 1886
Bloodborne
The last guardian
Nioh

In terms of new IP Sony and MS aren't really that far apart. Of course there's a chance this difference can increase depending on how long this Gen lasts. So to say MS has released no new IP is a lie and ridiculous, but to act like they've taken a lot of chance and brought new stuff as much as Sony is also ridiculous. It's clear Sony brings the most new games and is willing to take chances knack 2 a sequel to game that's mostly the butt of most people's jokes is proof right there of that.

My opinion if this E3 coming MS doesn't announce at least two new IP then people should really start complaining. We already know E3 for Xbox is going to include scropio, Forza 7, state of decay 2, third party deals, and indie games so the chance of new IP being releaved depends on how many of the games we already know about release between now and E3, and going by MS track record the last three years it doesn't look very good.

[mkis007]

A big problem is MS doesn't own Sunset OD(insomniac)...so they have no control over future titles....They need to invest in creative teams in house and stop forcing one studio to make a series without moving on to a new ip.

[Automatic79]

@Doabarrellroll

The problem with your list is that you are giving Sony credit for third party titles that are releasing exclusively on PS4. If you really factor in what Sony has funded and published with regards to to New IP's, the lineup is shorter. Also why are you excluding smaller titles on Xbox. New IP has no preference and Bias. Scroll down to my comments on this thread and you will see a bigger lineup of titles.

[Doabarrelroll]

Dude your the last person that should be coming to me on bias. There is no problem with my list, I even gave credit to MS but apparently there's still a problem in your eyes cause you believe there's no issue with MS or Xbox

I SPECIFCALLY said I included third party games notice how Ryse, Sunset overdrive recore on the list for MS. So no there is now bias, stop acting like MS funded those games.

really kid I'm talking big games not shovelware that you included in your list people want BIG AAA games when it comes to new IP not indies

[Chevalier]

@MichaelLito

Uhh.... you mean 3rd party like I don't know Dead Rising 3, Dead Rising 4, Scalebound, Ryse, Recore, Fantasia etc.? Seems you guys count those 3rd party games to stretch your list so why wouldn't 3rd party games count? You do know Capcom, Platinum games etc. are 3rd party developers right?

An exclusive is an exclusive and PS4 has more 1st, 2nd and 3rd party exclusives. Fact.

[lastking95]

You forgot quite a few for ms

[Automatic79]

@Doabarrellroll

No one is accusing you of bias, I am simply telling you that the list you keep giving Sony credit for belong to third party publishers. They are exclusive to PS4 but they are not Sony funded titles.

Further, MS has funded RYSE, Sunset Overdrive, Recore and Quantum Break.

Than you mention people want Triple AAA funded games, look up and down the comment thread, gamers are repeating the same thing. New IP doesn't sell good all the time. That's why you need a balance. Phil has gone on record stating that finding a good Developer is hard or that lack of good developers is difficult to find. So no matter how many times you ask for a New IP It's not about just asking but supporting New IP for more growth.

Personally, I want Recore, Quantum Break, Sunset Overdrive and RYSE to have sequels, i also want Alan Wake, however there is no guarantee that they will sell, do good, players who ask for games should go out and buy them.

[Doabarrelroll]

Okay but your still wrong.
First MS doesn't own Ryse it belongs to cryteck there are people who want MS to buy the IP for a sequel but MS doesn't own the IP. MS also doesn't own Sunset Overdrive that belongs to insomiac, MS only owns recore, Sea of thieves and Quantum break.

Sony however owns bloodborne, they own the order 1886 IP, ready at dawn stated it's up to Sony is they make a sequel or not. Sony owns Driveclub as stated by evolution studios, Sony owns knack as they are making a sequel. Days Gone is first party, horizon first party, Detroit become human Sony is helping, death stranded Sony funded the studio that making the game, the last guardian Sony helped, so yes my list and argumen still stand. The only game I can see your argument point at is Nioh

As for money that's not our problem. New IP takes risks and your gonna have too if you wanna make fans, I always hear from xbox guys that MS has BILLIONS of dollars and can buy out anything if they wanted. So how about MS invest that cash. Make studios hire people and make games. It looks bad when a company like Sony who's apparently broke and not financial strong takes more risks and does more than a company that supposedly has endless money

[trooper_]

New IPs is what keeps a console fresh and relevant. If Microsoft can't deliver that, then it's only a matter of time before their console fails.

[MonsterChef]

You forgot that spider man game that's coming exclusively to PlayStation.. You know the one developed by insomniac a Sony 2nd party studio..

[mochachino]

The best games are designed to be best they can be with no expectation that there will be a sequel, discover people love the game, THEN, adapt the story to a sequel.

The worst games are designed for a trilogy from the start. Each game feels unfinished and the devs rely on their presumed success instead of making an amazing game that has only one shot to be a hit.

[ChiefofLoliPolice]

As much as I like Xbox this is one of the main reasons why I am a bigger PS fan then Xbox. Sony has variety (and quantity) in their exclusives and cover just about every corner of gaming. MS needs to step up in new IPs. Sony has been killing them in that department last gen and this one too.

[Donnie81]

I think ms has done a lot better under Phil on trying some new ideas and the good news is we are just now seeing his efforts come to fruition. That being said I think ms has had a few ips early this gen that have did ok but have potential. Sometimes you gotta take chances and build on what could have been, like ryse son of rome. Buy the ip add some variety to the combat and weapons put it in a less linear environment and build on the things the first one did right like the awesome setting and decent story. Oh and stop being cheap and give recore a full aaa budget and let those guys do their thing, the only things wrong with that game could be fixed with a bigger budget and 6 extra months. Take some chances with existing ips to, I always wanted to play a rpg based in the halo universe could be awesome. A little variety goes a long way

[Saijahn]

This has been my issue with MS this gen. They aren't doing anything spectacular with new IP, and exclusives. They still think Gears is enough to carry their platforms, whilethe competition is throwing haymaker after haymaker with their new IP's and exclusives.

Sony - hey here's the new God of war, horizon zero dawn, uncharted

MS - uh here's recore..

-_-

[Gazondaily]

"Sony - hey here's the new God of war, horizon zero dawn, uncharted "

Two of those aren't even new ips lol. They are sequels.

"MS - uh here's recore.. "

And crackdown, Sea of Thieves, Scalebound....no?

Looks like you're not aware of what Ms are doing at all this gen.

[Saijahn]

My point is they don't offer the kind of IP I'm into.

I loved Quantum Break, sold terrible and a sequel probably won't be made. Got gears 4, halo 5 and every other pseudo-exclusive they have that held my interest. Recore doesn't, crackdown doesn't and so forth.

They not pushing anything that's a must buy imo. Can't say the same for Sony. I'm fully aware of what both platforms are doing, just see think MS, my platform of choice by the way, is lacking.

If you're into those other games that's fine, does that make you clueless about what Sony is doing? Nah didn't think so, just jumping the gun as usual.

[SquidBuck]

what about days gone, detroit, Nioh, Neir, Spiderman, Persona 5, the Yakuza games. Bruh, MS is slacking hard.

[butchertroll]

New God Of War is a completely different game now. Basically it's not the same game like previous ones.

Quote :

And crackdown, Sea of Thieves, Scalebound....no?....

And that's it. LOL

Looks like you're not aware of what Sony are doing at all this gen.

[Christopher]

Existing: Sunset Overdrive, Quantum Break, Ryse: Son of Rome, ReCore.

Upcoming: Scalebound, Sea of Thieves

And that doesn't include Indies/digital only titles or existing IPs (Septic, I didn't include Crackdown for that sole reason). Look, I get people may not like the games or prefer what Sony offers, but we really need to stop saying XBO doesn't have new IPs or games at all. It's annoying when fanboys on either say try this tactic of saying neither has something to offer. They both have stuff to offer, it just may not be for everyone.

Edit: And, before you past the list for Sony, note this isn't about who offers more. This is about offering your games something they can't get elsewhere. And MS has been doing that.

[MRMagoo123]

unless you own a pc then they aren't doing that

[Ceaser9857361]

Did someone say Sony milks their franchises?? Lmao! Either you have no clue what milking is or you're a hater.. Ubi , Activision will explain it to you what's milking and define it to you every year.. Same with Forza . ..

[sreevenkat]

what could be the launch title for "SCORPIO"?

[Automatic79]

It all comes down to support,

I keep hearing comments like MS needs new IP's and it's mostly coming from the camp that does not own an Xbox One, why would people that don't own a product give an opinion on it. Smh

For the misinformed here is a rundown of all the New IP's so far

Power Star Golf
Kinectimals
Halo Spartan Assault
Max and Cursed Brotherhood
Lococycle
Crimson Dragon
RYSE
D4
Cobalt
Sunset Overdrive
Project Spark
ScreamRide
Ori and Blind Forest
Quantum Break
Recore

NEXT YEAR
Sea of Thieves
Scalebound
Cuphead
Tacoma

MS has offered plenty of New IP's

Phil is right its a balance of both New and Existing. However, in my opinion, it's up to us to start supporting more titles. Stop complaining and more support.

One last thing if you want fresh and exciting games you should give Indies the credit and go purchase the games. I have enjoyed plenty of new experiences. Has anyone played Ark, Elite Dangerous, Blues and Bullets, We happy few. That's were your hunger for new will be satisfied.

[Emme]

Elite is not a new IP, Max is not a new IP...

[butchertroll]

You counted indies? Indies matter now? Even with indies, list is goddamn small. Btw. Screamride and Kinectimals ARE DEAD games because Kinect IS DEAD!!!

[MonsterChef]

He mentioned Kinectimals .... Lmao are you serious

[FallenAngel1984]

Do I see a Halo game on that list of new IPs 🤣

[XXanderXX]

Ryse is a great IP , needs a new home and is a story that can be expanded with a Sequel . So how about you go get it

[MilkMan]

We need NEW IP's man!
As some have stated here, STOP MAKING SEQUELS and just roll out new stuff, see what sticks. I'm sorry development takes money and time and effort, but guess what you're in the game business. Can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs.
So stop resurrecting old IP and making sequel after sequel and get busy using your frontal lobes and creative thinking and give us what we never knew we wanted.
I'm like literally bored to death with this generation. I keep playing my 360 and PS3 and Wii and all that. It's a sea of same games, with the same crap.
Heaven forbid if someone makes something good cause then they plug that into every game, whether it makes sense or not. Mechanics like Minecraft and Souls games.
So, please stop it.

[corroios]

The only path for microsoft is to buy games from other studios that gamers want and buy them. Every single game beside halo or gears or forza was a huge flop in sales and it wasnt a system seller.

Microsoft needs system seller, games that sale millions. They can bring a mega monster 8k machine, but without amazing games that can only played in their machine they willl never be number one in the world.

[Kizwiz6]

I just don't get what's happened to the gaming industry? Why are we seeing so many closures of studios and such a lack in diversity of games nowadays? Surely we don't all care for just "realistic FPS games"? Microsoft have plenty of money to invest in top studios.

[Artemidorus]

Phil is wrong, I am sick to death of Halo Forza Gears.

Get companies like rare to make more new fresh ideas and apply them. Ignore the clueless money throwing millenials who want cancerous repeats.

[Officialxandr]

That's the thing with Microsoft. They don't support IPS if it doesn't sell well. PlayStation and Nintendo do. The Order 1886 is a perfect example of a game Microsoft would not support a sequel for.

[XXanderXX]

Neither is Sony , seeing how RAD are busy creating a multi-platform game .

@MasterCornholio isn't knack by that cerny dude , so how does compensate for 1886

[Officialxandr]

Most of their latest releases are new IPs. They took a HUGE chance on Until Dawn...

[MasterCornholio]

We are getting a Knack 2 though.

http://m.ign.com/articles/2...

@Alex

They even made an Until Dawn VR game.

[Auron]

Man I really want a recore sequel....

[Donnie81]

I agree the game was tons of fun and has lots of potential. I'd say we will see one because the game didn't have a huge budget and I bet its made a decent profit. The only things wrong with recore could be fixed with a bigger budget and a little more time.

[sinspirit]

Maybe. Just maybe.. If they would make engaging games that don't get dull and rinse/repeat quickly with properly written and adequate story telling then they would get these sales. They seem like they just fell off a production line with only thought for money rather than the passion to make something that others will love. Instead they just want to bank on celebrity involvements and milking established franchises. I don't care about Steven Spielberg being involved with a Halo series. I don't want multiple rookie authors of successful sci-fi books to write multiple stories for Halo either, because it's making it very convoluted and distraught of real substance.

[maybelovehate]

That tweet regarding Scalebound is so silly. Who cares if there is a sequel to an unreleased game.

[jznrpg]

Thats the pro lem MS , not all games gave great sales but bring peoole to your platform. Ico, SoTC , Last Guardian are great examples. They didnt have commercial success but they do have a following and when you have many of these tyes of games with the big ones you get a worldwide audience like PS. MS will not be any more succesful in game because of their lack of vision

[Donnie81]

I think xbox has plenty of games in development they haven't shown yet. They don't need to show games barely in the concept stage to justify selling to tickets to a yearly event. People on here act like Sony just pumps out aaa exclusive titles. We probably saw more than one ps5 game at psx. Phil has been investing in new ips and looking to ad some diversity to their portfolio. He's only been in charge for like three years now I got a feeling they are gonna have some cool stuff to show this coming year.