Ironies of ironies. It seems that Spore has been downloaded, illegally, over an estimated 500,000 times on BitTorrent, which puts Spore on track as becoming the most illegally downloaded game in history...
thepiratebay.org, isohunt.com, there's a bunch of others. When companies like EA implement draconian DRM, the internet crowd will turn to the likes of piracy. $hit, who wants to be limited on the number of installs? I don't normally pirate games, but if I was interested in Spore, that's how I'd do it.
I know no one really likes EA but the devs have worked hard at this game and from a holistic point of view they have created something new and interesting. As a gamer, I for one would like to support and encourage that. By pirating, we seriously damage the devs income and their ability to provide us, the gamers, with new big exciting and innovative projects in the future. We like to bash EA but in the process we are also bashing the developers. I know this is a conflicting view point. I don't like DRM but I also am an advocate of supporting devs. Imagine if we pirated every Insomniac game? In the end I think that we'd be the ones to loose out.
They are like wiping their asses with 100 dollar bills... Despite all the piracy, it's selling a lot, at least I think I read that somewhere. I don't feel sorry for them at all, pirate the crap outta this game. I did, then I deleted it because its incredibly boring imo.
the devs already got paid and then thats it. they dont collect a monthy income from the game. so your tarded. and this is ea and spore was made by a few people brian eno is one of them so STFU about many people when it was about 5 guys and brian eno. and ea should get this they need to make games WORTH playing
Well even if you pirate it you still can't use It's online features, so people will still buy it.
Where there is a will, there is a way.
And it's called pirate bay. =]
When companies treat legitimate customers like criminals it provides an an opportunity for more piracy. They made this DRM to stop piracy only to cause normally legitimate customers to pirate more.
EA should know not many people like them. DRM is pushing pirates to come after the game. I doubt half of them even play the game. They are just doing it to piss on DRM and EA. As they should. NOONE wants DRM now make it go away.
I haven't pirated the game, but the whole point of pirating this game like crazy is to show that a) It doesn't even work b) If you pull off sh*t like this you'll lose sales c) That you screw over the people who actually pay for the game
im one of those 500k.
Wow your awesome, you openly admit to screwing over hard working people. If there was justice in this world you would get fined the 5grand or whatever it is and make that 50 dollars look like a bargain.
I am also one of these people =] maybe if they didnt have that lame DRM i would have brought it. Its mainly been downloaded as a statment and a protest to EA from many users. Aswell as the fact thats its a wel anticipated game =]
any way i would have never bought the game if i didnt get it from torrents, beside i dont buy PC games, sorry but i think if i will spend money for a game that should be a console game because there where the ultimate gaming experience is found, and EA sucks any way, they dont deserve any petty!
How is it lame? They do this so you jerks won't steal it...but obviously that didn't work. Even if there was NO DRM on it, you would all steal it. "You have no soul." - Dante
haven`t played it tho cant be assed
Yeah you Pirates are bad people, verwy verwy bad, now be good!. LOL Just relax, the game is selling well, Pirates only help spread the Love, Buyers help spread the money, so see It's a happy world after all. :)
I have to admit, that I was one of the people that "borrowed" the game of the internet.
*reported to the FBI and MI5*
And how was it?
and its crappy DX 9/10/11 pile of crap M$ code. M$ fault.
The game? It's fine. It's not my cup of tea though, I find the cell part pretty boring.
shame though everythings leaked and cracked before it hits stores
why DRM was put in the first place?
and thats why the PC gaming is dead. Now why would I say that? heres why, Developers get turned off on PCs because of that, which is why they move their game development onto consoles. Thats why Crytek is moving on consoles even though they still support the PC, but they know they are not going to make Jack S**t from it.
PC gaming isn't dead, but I do know that there are some developers that are of this very deranged opinion.
Hearing things like this is definitely discouraging.
if PC gaming isnt dead is on life support think about it lol 500,000 * 49.95 is almost 25m in loss, on 1 game!
I cant believe you are getting disagrees. Why would people spend so much money making games on PC if they are just going to be pirated by a HUGE amount of people.
If PC gaming were to die, then people would stop buying graphic cards. How quickly do you think graphical hardware would develop when a company like nVidia came out with some awesome new hardware, but nobody would buy it? The only place for high end graphic cards would be on the consoles. So hardware manufactures could try out a new card every 5 or 6 years, as it is now, they can try out a new card every 3 months. Which system produces more advancement in graphics? Anyways, PC gaming may die. If it does, better graphics, cheaper games, open platforms, superior controls, free mods and DLC, all of it will die with the PC. Also, don't expect new GPU's to be what they used to be, because there are no consumers and thus no reason to develop better graphic cards. Am I wrong? A lot of those pirates may have simply wanted to install the game on more than one computer, which the DRM wont allow. I wont pirate, but I was somewhat interested in this game and passed on it because of the DRM. EA was concerned about everybody except for their paying customers.
You may be right, but like people have said, where there is a will... As long as one or two companies continue to make a killing off of the platform, the platform itself cannot die. As long as Diablo 3 and Starcraft 2 look better on higher-specced systems, there is no way people will stop playing PC games and stop upgrading their PCs. OTOH, if Blizzard EVER decided to go console-only, THAT would kill PC gaming. But why would they do that? They know how to make money off of the PC users: MAKE GOOD GAMES. LOLPWNED. p.s. I didn't download Spore. But I admit, I feel like downloading it just to piss of EA (and I'm not even gonna play it). p.s.2. NOT buying a game doesn't get EA's attention. They'll just claim that the game itself was never that popular or appealing to begin with. And they may just never let Will Wright make another big-budget title. MASS PIRATING, however, WILL get their attention. They will know that the lack of legitimate sales had NOTHING to do with Mr. Wright's game, but rather that it was a direct result of their borderline shady business practice.
If anything, pirating of spore (again, I don't support it) shows that: 1) DRM does not stop pirating. 2) DRM can chase away legit customers. Sounds like loose loose to me.
Sure what i said sounds really Harsh, but its a fact. those pirated downloads had potential to become $$$ in EA's Wallet. Developers Hate it when their games get pirated like this, They lose money because of this, Making games is how they make money, and if pirates want to ruin their meal for the day (cause comon, Devs have to feed their kids), then developers are going to have to move to make Multi-platform games. The Only way PC gaming can live is if everything thru the PC goes Downloadable only. THis is were a service like steam comes out of Nowhere. Valve Makes sure that steam doesnt allow pirating. just attempt to do it and see what happens. thats were i give props to valve. Thats the reason why they believe PC gaming isnt dead for them, they are making money and Developers are making enough money to feed their kids. Blizzard is another example on why they think PC gaming isnt dead. They also make their money as well. WoW is a game were you have to pay to play, the only way to play the game is playing online, so they have restrictions on pirating right there. Not only that, games such as Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3 will sell via hype, not to mention the only way to experience these games the proper way is via the online experience. Either way until the whole Gaming industry agrees on moving PC gaming sales Via Downloads only, just forget about the PC for now.
IMO PC gaming is not dead but devs need to follow Valves route with steam. If you have an account , then you can get on it from any pc anywhere in the world. I love pc gaming, i thought i didn't anymore lol because of graphics card upgrades, now physics cards, cpus ; just the hassle of upgrading your computer. I got myself a macbookpro and a ps3 but now after a year, I miss modding my pc. Yes it's annoying to have to buy a graphics card every year or two because games don't stop evolving on the pc but I think it is also it's strength. Ps3 and xbox 360 have set pieces of hardware, after only just a year (ps3), games compared to pc games are terrible graphically . No game on ps3 can even compare to crysis (which I haven't played sadly ...). The online support u get on games is also impossible to match on the ps3. I'm talking mods, the community (in game and outside the game) , the third party applications (teamspeak, xfire or others) . And FPS games or RTS games are so much more fun on the pc !
it would cost me less money to buy a 360 and ps3 and install a mod chip on both than to build a high end pc capable of playing all these new games. the only thing protecting console gaming so far, is that most ppl aren't smart enough to use a soldering gun. but it doesn't take long to learn how to softmod so even soldering can be bypassed. and there are programs you can use on your puter to trick your console into thinking it's playing on a lan even though you're actually playing online. it's not much different than pc and it's a lot cheaper. not that i'm for or against modding and pirating, just pointing out that consoles aren't any safer from piracy. last generation, i knew very few ppl who had an unmodded ps2 or xbox by the end of it.
The shame is game developers blaming the fact that their attempts at making a product people are willing to pay for fails on piracy... DRM isn't exactly the most popular way to go, and there are game developers that basically say "We believe that if you make a good game, people will buy it", They are called Blizzard, and they have created more things than WoW...
but that won't stop people from downloading. there's no excuse. you don't like the DRM? you show EA by not buying the game. you don't do it by downloading and justifying the DRM
The problem with your statement is that Blizzard hasn't released anything recently that isn't protected. You can't exactly pirate WoW, and in this new age of a-holes feeling like that deserve everything free, you may see a different tune from them after starcraft 2 or D3. What, I don't understand is there wasn't this big of a backlash for Mass Effect's DRM.
That's what they deserve for putting crippling and intrusive DRM on a game. Screw over your legit customers and they'll find a way to get it easy and free.... a week before launch. BTW Spore is an amazingly epic failure. I can't believe how terrible it turned out.
DRM was such a terrible mistake by EA. To make Spore a more "enticing" buy, they should have thrown in some free merchandise to come along with the purchase.
Some of you are openly admitting to downloading it illegally?? Do you not realize the families that are effected by this because you arent willing to spend money on something that people have put their blood sweat and tears on it. The worst part of it is, that some of you are the same ones who lament over the fact that the PC gaming is dead.
First off I work in the industry, and my studio has worked on several high profile games over the years. Has piracy affected me? Simple answer is yes. Long answer is not as much as this draconian DRM does. You see I'm all for simplistic protection schemes, because as spore shows if you get to heavy handed about copy protection it will harm you more than help you. Your average consumer who spends money on a program typically is fine with entering a serial number, or having to put in a play cd. Those that don't even like that little of copy protection are typically going to pirate the software no matter what, but for the average consumer this is enough of a deterrent to stop casual piracy. (anyone remember Tribes???) What EA has done here is such a bad idea that despite my desire to try spore I simply won't purchase it out of protest. My personal take on those that feel compelled to download spore instead of buying it out of protest should buy the game in addition to downloading it. Why? Peoples issue is with the DRM, and the download should resolve future install issues; however, just downloading the game and playing it while not paying for it's development ultimately screws over people like myself who work hard to bring every one games like this. As for those of you who think people like me are obviously rich, I often make less than $30k per year, my Wife is currently unemployed, and my Daughter is in college.
The people who pirated kind of lucked out also. The whole fun of the game is being able to play and see other creatures made by other people. But when you pirate you are unable to go online. I have the rights to play this game and honestly the DRM hasnt effected me playing the game at all. I'm not a big fan of EA either but show some respect to these developers. People tend to love to make others fail and drink the news. Im just afraid pirateing will effect are quality of gaming in the future. Developers just wont have to money to make better games for us later down the road. It takes more money to make video games than music I believe. If you dont pirate video games stay that way because you can keep gaming advancing. PC gaming is going down the drain I dont care what so called reliable resources say. They need to work to improve future consoles copyright safety. I believe that should be a mandatory for all companies to be more developer friendly.
All you people saying "I would've bought it if it weren't for DRM" are talking sh!t. You never planned on buying it, you always download pirated games and Spore isn't any different. Screw you all, it's your fault DRM exists in the first place. I have never pirated a game, well, Doom back in high school. That was 13 years ago. I hope you pirates are happy.
i am :) by the way their just games.
@Silver: According to your logic the fact that a retail store locks the "games" behind plastic cages means Wal-Mart is being unfair and you should be entitled to just take the game, aka stealing... I agree EA was way off base with the 3 install limit thing, not going to even pretend to defend them for that, however I am also so tired of people saying because EA did something they don't like that excuses them to steal. Yes its just a game, but its still lame to steal. Its sad that stealing is becoming a fad and the fad doesn't just stay with pc games. EA may suck but they don't owe anyone anything. The logic of "they made me do it" is trite and stupid.
I also refuse to pirate it. I just simply won't play it until it allows me as many damn installs as I want. (I re-format pretty often). I don't like being treated like a criminal on things I purchase. -CadDad
My question is how are new games leaked so fast??? Is there a way to prevent this from happening in the future?
Short answer: No Long answer: The crack groups have contacts in the retail chain that will provide them with a pre-sale version to work on. Thats like drivers or the guys in the warehouses. Retail stores have to be stocked about week before release. Thats where you get the 1 week to few days warez release from.
Some people on this site are clearly missing the point about this DRM. I remember before the PS3 was due to launch a rumour spread that Sony were going to make it so each game you bought got locked to the PS3 thus ensuring you couldn't sell your game second hand. Naturally there was a mass revolt about it and much lighting of burning torches (and quite rightly so). Thankfully it turned out to be nothing but a scare mongering rumour. Now let's look at this DRM, it uses Securom a protection that has been widely cracked as to be next to useless to prevent piracy. The three install limit does not seem to me to have any value in preventing the game from being pirated. So what is the real goal of this 3 install LIFE TIME limit. It's simple EA want to stop this game being resold second hand. If you install it once and sell it, the person that buys it can only install it twice or less if the original seller installed it more than once. Remember you DON'T get your installs back when you uninstall the game. This DRM is not and never was about piracy it was an attempt by EA to kill off any second hand market and FORCE people to buy a copy for every person in the house. If they tried this in the console market console gamers would be up in arms. How would you like it if EA said you could only put the disc in your console three times then you have to buy a new copy ?. Let me put things into perspective I bought Crysis and it hasn't been out a year and I have already installed it 3 or 4 times. This is why I won't buy Spore, I install and uninstall games on a regular basis, so Spore with this protection is next to useless for me. This needs to be stopped, I am not against developers protecting their work. I wish they didn't have too but that is the kind of world we live in. However these limited installs (that you don't get back) HAVE NOTHING to do with protecting the game and more to do with extorting more money out of the gamer.
I agree but is there really a big second hand market for PC gaming these days with all the CD-Key stuff. Yeah, the second hand market is as much of a problem as piracy for developers and companies.
One they will address this issue in the courts. When you buy something physical you have the legal right to re-sell it. If the issue is pressed the courts will hopefully decide to extend the same right to software.
Proxy: Not in the US, you don't. The game states all over the Box that you are only buying a LICENSE to play the game. And Licenses can not be sold on without the consent of the one who grants the license. Luckily other countries abolished this cheap trick of ripping of customers of standard software and consider it a bought good, that , if not able to be resold is defective and allows you to return it at full price.
Pawn shops can resell video games though.
While I can understand that they went with the DRM to avoid something like this, it's still kinda funny... and WRONG.
LOL DRM or NOT, People still woulda downloaded the HELL out of spore.
...we're pretty much guaranteed to see Spore on every console. EA and Will Wright will want to make more money off of this game than the current situation allows.
Thank's God.. ps3 is the only gaming system can save us from piracy.... :)
Pc failed Wii Failed gamecube failed Xbox failed xbox360 failed ps2 failed psp failed ps one failed
u care....because? did u used to tattle-tell on your fellow classmates in preschool????? I bet u did...
Really, if you can only install 3 times, the game is a very big FAIL. i was looking foward to this game, but i think i will wait more and see how this is end... anyway, i would not have any other options than downloading it where i live though, what a pity... i sure hope EA change the conception of their customers, if they treated them (i am not a customer of EA) they would be willing to pay for their games...
I am tired of EA supporters, they keep talking out of their collective a**. I am sure EA knows this DRM is useless for stopping piracy. The only thing it achieves is stopping sales of second hand games. And that is totally unacceptable for a game sold at $50 per copy.
I dint know about 3 install limit. That's ridiculous and stupid in this day and age of PC upgrades, Virus, system crashes etc 3 installs will not be practical at all. So that means pirated copies will not require online authentication and thus can be installed unlimited times.
Spores Will make it's money EA's not worried about that you think about it... Downloaded: 500,000 @ 49.99(which is way to much for spores) = 24,995,000 Sales: Spore sales could hit 2 million units before October 2,000,000 @ 49.99 = $99,980,000 Come on do you think thats hurts EA.... "Spore sales could hit 2 million units before October" http://www.neoseeker.com/ne...
this surely hurts the PC gaming...and hurts a lot! but also gives a lesson to EA and other companies! i was the one that would have no problem to buy this game when it was released...but when ive heard that the game would only be installed 3 times i started downloading it...my friend bought the game when it was released and didnt heard about DRM now he knows that was a mistake for buying it! and the game simple dont live up the hype!
The more piracy means more price per game. OR most companies will go bankrupt--> less quality games. As gamers I think we have to support these dev. BUT I think the game prices are costly then it should be.
what? not me.....;)
the game has the craptastic DRM that ruins it for the legit people and it's the type of game that i think people will either love or hate. people want to know which category they fall in before they fork over $50 so they "rent" it through a torrent site. there's no way to rent PC games, so they are forced to use torrents. i've played it and think it's pretty bad. the best thing about it is the creature creator. i haven't made it to the last part of the game, so i guess that could be good, but so far, what i've played is boring and monotonous- no where near worth the $50 to buy. most likely won't finish playing it.