At the Nasdaq 35th Investor Program Conference in London, Electronic Arts Chief Financial Officer Blake Jorgensen talked about the mid-generation console refresh.
I thought that Sony said that they're still doing generations after the pro.
Generations with mid cycle upgrades, apparently.
Only way I'll be 100% behind this is if the new generation is a larger leap than the mid cycle. Like ps4 is 1 tf...pro is 4....so I need at least 8 or 9 for the ps5. I'm still on the limb about the scorpio being a mid gen when MS has stated that 1. There will be no more generations with xbox 2. Phil saying they are not making a xbox1.5 This points at the scorpio being a next gen console with BC..... But then they said the xbo will play all 1st party games.. (3rd party I'm not sure..I'm thought phil said something like 3rd party can make games exclusive to the scorpio/pc) so until I see more info that isn't clouded I can't say it's a mid gen or a full on new (they say there is no more gens but i cant see how thats possible without a pc style upgrading system..... Only time will tell..
@Kingthrash360 "But then they said the xbo will play all 1st party games.. (3rd party I'm not sure..I'm thought phil said something like 3rd party can make games exclusive to the scorpio/pc) so until I see more info that isn't clouded" you know why its clouded? because you purposely want to make it cloudy. he never said such things, lol.
@Kingtrash360 I found funny when you mention Phil for mixed messages about the Scorpio when you don't need any information at all. You seem to know more about the Scorpio than Spencer himself. I mean, how many times the man need to repeat the Scorpio is a mid gen upgrade? Thing is you're desperate. Some of you are too unsecure about the fact the Scorpio will be the most powerfull console come 2017. You're lying to yourself when you claim power doesn't matter. I though you will be happy with your Pro by now. Yet. Here you are
@Moldy- "he never said such things" except they actually did as in MS. http://www.dualshockers.com... If you going to say "never" ....look it up. That was legit like a 2 second google to find out
@Crotaaa "Last time I checked, a random executive from Microsoft named Shannon Loftis isn't a he, isn't Phil Spencer, and isn't head of the Xbox division." exactly, and she later corrected herself. phil never said such things. https://twitter.com/shannon... but of course _-EDMIX-_ did not want to give the whole story. once again trying to muddle and confuse scorpio purposely.
They are doing what Nintendo did with the New 3DS. I don't have a problem with it as long as MS and Sony stills support the OG models.
They are... This is just talking about mid gen upgrades. ie PS5 will come out, so will PS5 Pro, Slim etc.
I think whole generations are better to be quite honest.
It is better to have whole generations in my opinion too. But if we were to translate EA's mindset, it would be "great for their pocket book lined with profits."
You mean line Sony and MS pockets. If anything it will cost more for EA to make an extra version just for the upgraded hardware no matter how easy Sony has made it. Still extra effort regardless.
I agree... the mid cycle upgrades only is good for the companys wallet.
Only good for? What about consumers who want something more powerful mid gen? If it was ONLY good for that, it wouldn't be selling. For something to be good for a business in regards to making money, it must be good for the consumer to want to keep buying it.
edmix. the problem is the companys are banking on the consumer that throws money like they just dont care. ps4 pro really isnt that much of an improvement... hell, it doesnt even have an uhd blueray drive. the xbox one s is more of an improvement... and that is sad
Not if it means riding the same hardware for 8+ yrs. Some of yous need to get with the times.
Okay Tony Soprano
what good is the hardware when everything is programed for the old console and improvements only come in the form of a half assed patch?
I am very happy they don't do full generation upgrades. I hope the Xbox One controller is here to stay because Microsoft has perfected it in my opinion.
Its the best one out imo. And Im talking the regular models the Elites are top of the line.
When EA dislikes something, it was most likely because it was something good for consumers. Remember that this is one of the companys that love microstransactions, tons of dlc and killed off a ton of good game developers.
I actually agree with EA about something. I like the mid gen refresh. Keeps us up to date with tech and graphics. Also, during a gen I usually end up having to buy two consoles anyway due to one eventually breaking. Keep all games compatible at the refresh. Then start a new generation after 6 or so years.
Thats a long gen lol. may be 3 or 4 years at most, but 6 MORE years might be over kill. I know publishers would LOVE IT as they would have a MASSIVE install base, but developers would grow tired and demand more power to push certain concepts.
I should have clarified, I meant 6 total. Like this gen sony gave us pro after 3 years, give us PS5 after 3 more..
Oh ok, no problem. That's Fair
If this becomes a permanent thing, then it will be better to just get a PC. If you gonna have to fork over 400$ then 3 years later another 400$.
they told us a few years ago they wanted consoles to be like cellphones. problem is, its not good for us
Indeed. I bought my first "serious" gaming PC this July and find myself playing on it more and more now while my PS4 starts to collect dust. Better graphics, much smaller prices for many games. Yesterday I bought Batman Arkham Knight for just 6 bucks, even the dlc was included. With the money I save through cheap deals I have probably enough to buy a better graphic card and cpu /motherboard in 3 years and still save a bit.
I've always been a console guy. However I just built my gf a gaming rig with the help of her brothers. I'm definitely going to consider switching over and doing one myself.
I did the same thing!!! After hearing about the PRO and Scorpio I decided to go forward and build a gaming PC. I knew I wasnt interested in buying another console so shortly after launch. And i always wanted a gaming PC so I said eff it. Had a $1500 budget and havent had but one issue running a game (Fallout New Vegas - $6-9) My console has been pretty dusty THE LAST 6 months!! After 11 years I didnt renew my yearly sub and havent thought about renewing. There are pros and cons for sure...but the pros list is much longer in my short experience in PC gaming.
And....... got batman arkam for 5 bucks with all the dlc and own it. Your point? Not digital .
So much better to need a new $500 gpu every few years.. don't forget a complete Mobo/CPU/ram/PSU overhaul a year or two after that.. I don't see how you can claim PC to be the cheaper route with a straight face lol..
Nah man. If you do a 400-500$ GPU aka a top tier card, you will last 2 years at max settings minimum. And a complete rebuild at around 5 years. With minor upgrades like Ram in the middle which is so cheap. And you save a ton on games. Steam has like 75% off sales. They are crazy.
It's stupid to buy a 500 $ card. One class below for 350 is the best price to power ration which is a good investment every three years. Decent CPUs these days last around 5 years easily.
$500 every few years? If you do that it's 100% by choice, not because you need to. "I don't see how you can claim PC to be the cheaper route with a straight face lol.." Higher upfront cost offset by cheaper games through Cdkeys, G2A, Greenmangaming ect + no sub fees.
I'm Canadian.. even the 1070 is like 500 lol.. Never meant to say it's a bad choice or you wouldnt get more for your money etc.. simply that the $300 every 3 years is still less then you'll pay as a PC gamer.. not to mention the constant urge to upgrade, all the power to you if you can resist for years.. Didn't really factor in game prices as that's greatly dependant on the person but it's a valid point.. it may be cheaper over those 3 years if you buy enough games to offset the hardware costs.. Don't take me for a hater.. I miss PC gaming but I have...uhhh... Self control issues sometimes.. lol.. ends up costing me a small fortune
that's a lie.i still have an r9 290x lol and i can still do 60fps at 1440p high/medium.
You don't need a GTX 1070, that card is overkill for 1080p gaming. A 1060 is sub $300 Canadian and will run the vast majority of games at high-max settings at 60 fps 1080p no problem. If you have a urge to upgrade that's not the platforms fault nor is it a negative, it's a choice that's not necessary.
Tbh the combination PC and PlayStation has been unbeatable since decades already...now more than ever. I would never want to miss out on those amazing exclusives.
Absolutely agreed, and I will buy games like Tekken 7 next year on PS4 alone already because I know there will be a giant community for that game there while it won't be half as big on PC. But when it comes to single player multiplatform games as well as indies, it makes more fun and is cheaper on PC. The Xbox console is pretty obsolete now that almost all games are also on PC and Nintendo? Well..we have emulators for them.
@hoffman, Xbox obsolete, ok buddy. Last I checked not every game was playable on PC.
@Bizarro There are like 4 or 5 old exclusives which aren't playable on a PC (yet). Forza 5, Halo 5, Sunset Overdrive...I'm even struggeling to name them. From now on there won't be any XBox exclusives anymore.
Agreed. best combo bud! I usually always have PC, PS and Nintendo handheld. I've had this combo for YEARS and many generations and I don't see me stopping for a while. lol MS putting all their games on PC has pretty much confirmed I'm never buying a XB (unless something changes) Nintendo making their portable their new default device is also confirming this combo is staying intact.
You built your gf a gaming rig but not yourself? Maaaaaaaan...talk about some true love here!
Her brothers built it technically...I just paid for it ; )
Without all the arguments about cost, kbm, etc. We just can't play the games from ND, GG, and the others. Its about the games and ease of use the consoles give us.
I'll stick with my original ps4 and buy the ps5 to get the wow factor as a real upgrade. Until then i'm fine with the output of my ps4 and the games show good graphics with it that have released (Just got FF XV :D ) and with the upcoming games.
With all of the problems with HDR connection, input lag on HDR, etc, it's probably a good thing you'll be waiting until PS5 to upgrade anyway. Myself, I just bought a PS4-Pro but I had no PS4 before that so...
Yeah if you didn't buy a ps4 yet the pro is the way to go. As for tv's i wait until they're really cheap, like i only bought a 1080p tv this year because the prices were acceptable to me. So it'll be a long wait until i buy myself a 4k tv. Which I'm good with. I bought a ps4 mostly for the jrpg's. Exclusives like horizon zero dawn are just extra to me. I also wanted to play mass effect even though dragon age inquisition was a let down for me (not that i put a lot of hours into it, it just didn't grab me, I might go back to it someday)
Yeah, basically PS4 is the main JRPG box, and Sony has tons of exclusives to choose from. I wonder if Sakaguchi's(creator of FF) new game will be multiplatform or just Xbox like last-gen though. Hoping we get that game as well so I don't have to buy an Xbox lol
@omnislash I thought sakaguchi is making a mobile game now. So yeah :I I wish he was making a console game but I don't think that's what's going on.
Mistwalker is apparently doing a new console game. The art is very throwback FF-esque. I think the mobile is another project, Terra Battle. https://www.vg247.com/2016/...
Well that is good news :) thanks for the info omni
As long as you don't consider getting a PSVR or 4K TV that's an option.
Yeup I don't plan on a 4k tv for quite awhile to come, i want them cheap (150-300) and good quality which just isn't the market right now. As for PSVR i get slight motion sickness in video games sometimes from falling a great height so i can only imagine what it would do to me on psvr. If that wasn't enough, I don't have the room for a set up with psvr as my ps4 is in my bedroom.
I thought about doing that but right now I'm fighting that urge. I was able to control it when it was $339.
Well if you don't have a 4k tv that really makes it an easy choice imo.
I had a couple at one point but I will get one next year.
Of course it was bad for them.. depending on yearly releases is all well and good but it becomes very hard to constantly sell a new game on the same old hardware.. how much can you improve Fifa or Madden in 8 games with the same ol hardware? Gotta think by the 4th or 5th game, they have done all they can.. I
Looking forward to these short generation cycles
And these people complaining act like they have to pay full price. Sell your unit and buy the new one. I think I paid like $120 or so out of pocket. So not the expensive upgrade some are making it out to be.
It wasn't at all painful. I'd prefer a full on next gen update than an incremental one
Lets hope they dont get any ideas like releasing new versions of their sports game after they were released the first time the same year
Says EA. Of course new hardware is nice, but it's actually not great from both a development and consumer perspective. A.) you're now confusing the market, B.) you're introducing fragmentation, C.) you're now asking for larger cash flow and need to justify it, D.) developers have to decide if they are to support the micro consoles and work in forward and backwards support AKA you're never really able to fully utilize the new hardware and have to have multiple code paths.... This by far doesn't seem to promote "Great" anywhere on it.
Remember when it took 3-4 yrs into a consoles life before developers really got a grip of the hardware. Times have defenitely changed...
Being x86 and essentially using off the shelf amd hardware, those days are long gone..
Im okay if mid gen will be able to play next gen games. So the ps4 and xo will stop being supported but the pro and scorpio will continue to be supported throughout next gen.
I am not at all interested in mid-cycle upgrades unless they were cheap enough to be no brainers. Generational upgrades in hardware to provide things like shader techniques or even DX12 have more impressive impacts on graphics than simply greater resolution and frame rates. It is for the same reason I held on to my GTX670 till now for a GTX1080.
Mid generations don't seem to add a ton though... With the requirement of still running on the original ps4 /Xbox all the power can not be utilized the same way as when a new generation starts and doesn't have to play on an old console. It's great to have options... I just don't see this as a game changer