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Warzone #15 - Playstation 3 Is The Most Powerful Console On The Market. Accept It And Move On!

Torrence Davis of The Bitbag writes, "On this episode we discuss the problems with the debate about which system is the most powerful. Everyone knows that the PS3 is the most powerful system. It's newer hardware than both the 360 and the Wii and has tons of untapped power. Does that mean people will stop buying 360's? Of course not. We take a look at last generation to prove our point. Also on the show:

- Why do we argue which system is better?
- What's happening at TGS?
- Pure VS Motorstorm 2
- Pain: Amusement Park
- Does anyone who lives in the US care about Europe and Japan sales?
- Darkpower returns as the Fanboy Of The Week for claiming that you have to have a Wifi adapter and a memory card to enjoy the FULL Xbox 360 experience."

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LightningPS33260d ago (Edited 3260d ago )

To me you have to have the best graphics to claim the most power. 360 games look really good like Gears of War 2 and Fable 2.

I just haven't seen anything graphically that looks head and shoulders above 360 games. Motorstorm maybe, and Heavy Rain possibly from what I saw on the trailer. And then of course there's Killzone 2.

But until those games prove themselves, it's all talk. I still haven't seen how PS3 is clearly the most powerful.

DavidMacDougall3260d ago

Bubbles for the non-fanboy and smart answer

Your right wait until the 2009 games come out and we will see

Rick Astley3260d ago (Edited 3260d ago )

How many 360 games come close to Heavy Rain?
How many 360 games come close to Killzone 2?
How many 360 games come close to Uncharted?
Gran Turismo 5?
Ratchet & Clank Future: TOD?
MGS4?
Hell even LittleBigPlanet looks fantastic with those life-like textures.

We've already seen that the PS3 is clearly superior. You'd have to blind to not see it. Most 360 exclusives run on the outdated trash known as Unreal Engine 3, an engine that was maxed out last year by games like BioShock and Mass Effect. Gears of War 2 doesn't look special at all. Shame on Epic for releasing constant bullshots. We know what the gameplay looks like already so they better stop publishing fake "in-game" screen shots. They did this with Unreal Tournament 3 and the original Gears of War as well.

Denial at its finest.

lwhatee3260d ago (Edited 3260d ago )

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

Uncharted and MGS4 look head and shoulders above any game on 360.
also PS3 has done lot of things which is technically impossible on x360 --1000 enemies on screen in heavenly sword, running games at full HD at 60 fps,256 player online, 8 player co-op and so on

You have to be a die hard x360 fanboy to even argue with the fact that x360 isnt way less powerful than ps3

plain rice3260d ago

Wow does GT5P not exist anymore? That game in my eyes is the best looking game on any console.

Montrealien3260d ago (Edited 3260d ago )

I'm not in denial at all, the PS3 is the better machine. Does it mean it will always have better games?

*looks at the Xbox 1*

Nope. Just Rogue Galaxy and Yakuza 2, which I where made the less powerful then the Xbox 1 PS2, proves this without a shadow of a doubt. But I know there will be amazing gaming experiences on the PS3, just like the 360.

I win.

Hububla3260d ago

Yes but you cant just say oh the games that are out now prove that they are equal... only now are we seeing developers that actually know how to program for the PS3 and even with these new games they are still just getting their grips on it.... with the 360 it programs pretty much like a computer so its easy and not hard to use all the 360s pottential. but you cant deny that there is still a whole wackload of power that developers havent even tapped into in the PS3 yet... thats why we say its more powerful not because of whats out now...

FantasyStar3260d ago

I couldn't agree more. The only game I can consider that can truly say its presentation-levels are above the competition is Killzone 2. I thought Uncharted looked good too, but I can't forget that most of it is all in "small" areas. If Killzone 2 proves itself, it's going to be a good day for me and my 360 friends.

gaffyh3260d ago

I own both a PS3 and 360 and I know that this is not really only about the graphics, it is really quite obvious that the PS3 is more powerful in raw power. It has something like 27Ghz worth of processing power or something ridiculous like that. 360 games look good, but they are mainly better looking because it's RAM can handle higher-res textures, and because it is so easy to develop for.

Now that it has been 2 years the newer PS3 exclusives look like they will look better (and some of the old ones look really good too i.e. MGS4, Ratchet & Clank, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, GT5P).

gokuss1220023260d ago

First of all, great show. (someone pm me the time listing for the podcast). Here are my issues though.

Yes,PS3 is better (off it's gaming merits alone, especially considering everything outside of gaming). I am not a fanboy, though I do have a little crush on Sony, as well as, a dislike for the MS. Let me tell you why though.

The main/most important reason for this is (concerning ps3 and 360), bluray. Minus the fact that it is the standard hd medium format, but the disc space allows for bigger and better games. And actually MS has held back "next gen" due using dvd. If MS had used anything but dvd, we (all gamers) would be experiencing a better gen (lazy devs play a huge part too).

Another thing is (desprite, devs implementations)motion sensing. Even if motion sensing was only going to used for steering, it still opens up so many possibilities. For instance, (devs get on the ball) if motion sensing was the standard steering in a game, it would free up the analog sticks for something else (can you say dual welding separate aiming driveby).

Another thing is, no charge to play online. MS are b**ches for charging xbots to have essentially the same online experience as psn gamers, considering most games have and will be multiplatform games, and especially since xbox live (despite the fee)has ads (that is a huge slap in the face). That like paying for cable and seeing a commercial during a movie you paid for.

I could keep going but my point is made.

The main thing is if we let bs, such as the dvd thing slide, we will never get true next gen gaming.

mfwahwah3260d ago

I'll prove it to you.

[email protected] requires power.

PS3 runs [email protected]

360 does not run [email protected]

Graphics don't denote power. Graphics are just one representation of how well a developer knows the hardware.

arika3259d ago (Edited 3259d ago )

you probably live in your own world and never get to go out that much, because you don't even know what you are talking about or are you on something, man or woman give me some of those....
there is nothing on the xbox 360 lineup that can match up with the visual quality and greatness of these ps3 games GRANTURISMO PROLOGUE, UNCHARTED DRAKES and MGS4.
if you say you do your delusional just take a look at your disagrees. you are getting slammed my friend.

pulsating-bile3259d ago

ps1's processor crunched 33 million peraflops of data a second. The ps2 did somewhere around 500-700 million peraflops of data a second. xbox 1 probably a little higher than that. xbox 360 tech being more than 1.5 years older than ps3 i could take a guess after what im about to tell you. The cell marked an astonishing 131 billion peraflops of data a second running folding at home on the first firmware. Newer firmware means better hardware performance. 360 being 5 cores shorter than the 8 cored "cell" is significantly lower. Now theres newer firmware, haven't ran folding@ lately but my guess is that its more. Look at the psp. It eventually got the last firmware for performance unlocking the processors mhz to 333. Dont be silly Lightning.

snakeater33259d ago

usually your rant verges on the fanboyisma (new term i just coined up), but this comment reflects what every unbiased right minded gamer thinks about this gen. bubbles for you

marionz3259d ago

anyone else sick of this hip hop gamer BS, sorry but its pretty clear hes just another fanboy after hits.

anyway i agree that the ps3 had the potential to outshine in the graphics department, but it doesnt have the ram needed to fully show off what the cell can do, its pretty simple really, now if ps3 had a gig or so of ram and if blue ray discs were a bit faster to load then obviously ps3 would be leaps and bounds ahead, but i dont think you are going to see much on ps3 that cant be equaled on 360

IaMs123259d ago

Of course it is more powerful and should be it came out later, its newer! common sense really, if it wasnt would be pathetic... if the 360 came out later it would be in the same positiion as the ps3 is in now i bet...

Death24943259d ago

He said spec-wise you have to admit that the ps3 is a more powerful system. Fable doesn't look good to me. Gears of war2 on the other hand is great, but even the developer admitted that it's slightly an improvement over the previous version with just a larger color palette. What do you mean by prove themselves? Gametrailer "biased 360 website" gave Killzone 2 best graphics award of E3 08. how is that not proving yourself. Name me one game that's looks good on the 360 that doesn't use the Unreal Engine 3? Halo 3 didn't even come close to it's pre-rendered trailer.

power of Green 3259d ago (Edited 3259d ago )

Ps3 has an inferior GPU, Video Card and inferior Memory use. That is why all of it's games look like sh*t.

Uncharted is not a good game to use as an gage, games like Warhound, Far-cry 2,COD4/5 etc blow it out of the water. lol

KZ2 is on par with other top tier games.

tordavis/Hip-hop gamer team is becoming the SDF with skills.

These guys don't even know what they are talking about. In theory the PS3 could outpeform the 360 in physics based function if a dev goes out of his way to make a game that is more physics-sim than anything else.

PS3 is inferior, the KZ2 devs have made a great product that could be done better on the 360.

egm_hiphopgamer3259d ago

uncharted looks better than alot of 360 games, ratchet is the best graphics for any platformer to date, heavenly sword has some of the best graphics ever, Lair , motorstorm i mean best graphics out there now check this out i played killzone 2 and it looks better than gears, resistance, call of duty 4, i mean it's really detailed, so i mean ps3 is showing that not just graphics but scale and the bigness of there games are above what 360 has shown look at mass effect a huge game but it has tons of graphics hiccups, you see what i mean so ps3 to me is more powerful and heavy rain forget about that's on a whole new level and keep in mind 360 has been out for 3 years and the best exclusive graphical representation of that system is gears 2 gears 2 looks drop dead gorgeous man but at the same time killzone 2 surpasses that and after looking at resistance 2 from a graphical stand point it's kinda neck and neck to me but technical wise resistance is the biggest game with a huge scale to it i mean it's crazy so those are my reasons why ps3 is more powerful, but the 360 is very powerful too so don't sleep thanks for your comment though we should play some games soon
psnid hiphopgamer1 2 3 4 5 or 6
1luv and god bless peace

bobokadof3259d ago

saying that Gears looks as good as uncharted....are you blind? retarded? playing on a SD tv ? idk....something must be wrong with you.

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GiantEnemyCrab3260d ago

Great podcast! Downloading the show now. HHG+TD=Awesome!

LightningPS33260d ago (Edited 3260d ago )

Metal Gear Solid 4 was suppose to prove how PS3 was more powerful, that it couldn't be done on 360.

In my opinion it didn't, was a good game though.

The bottom line is PS3 and 360 are about the same thing, and if PS3 can't more or less match the prices of XBOX 360, it's going to be a tough going for them. That's just reality, no matter what fanboys say.

I can only go by what I see.

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Ju3260d ago

Lightning, I give you a bubble back. Just because your tone is somewhat different then I'm used to. Your arguments make sense, even though if I do not agree with them, you sound reasonable.

You might be right. If the PS3 games can't really put 360 games at a distance, its hard to argue about the price. That is, if you consider the games alone.

I however also consider the added value you get with the PS3, that is BD, WiFi, chargeable controllers and free online play.

Some people might not value these things primarily, and would simply go with the lower price. I agree.

In the long run, I however also think, we will see more good games coming for the PS3, also with a clearer distance to 360 games at some point. Ports/Launch games could keep up, which usually show only 50-80% what can be done over the lifetime. So, this is a pretty clear indicator, IMO.

INehalemEXI3260d ago (Edited 3260d ago )

Just the fact that FF13 will have to be chopped into 5 discs to = 1 BD should tell you something.

Just KZ2 pre alpha footage should tell you something.

Just the lack of a high failure rate should tell you something.

Just the specs should tell all thats really all you need know to discern which is ultimately more powerfull.

Just the games MGS4, HS, GT5P, Warhawk, Resistance and Uncharted should tell you something they all bring things that are unique to PS3.

Its not a huge difference in power shown to date but Its easily recognizable to me. I play the top games from each system and I notice PS3's greatest looks and plays more solid and smooth then that of the 360.

I was amazed that when I played NGS i was impressed by the graphics and smooth gameplay. When I played NG2 I noticed a Ryu with a lower polygon count then in sigma first off and graphics that where barely on par with sigma if that. I was impressed with the new elements of gameplay , higher level of gore , and the weapons , bosses etc. Technically and Graphically though I was surprised that Sigma impressed me more.

Time_Is_On_My_Side3260d ago

lol, what you're seeing must be on an SD (Standard Definition) TV. The PlayStation 3's price is still cheaper even if you buy the Arcade model ($199.99). Whether you buy the PlayStation 3 for game or just for movies you're getting a deal.

Ironic too because of your name and avatar people would assume you'd favour the PlayStation 3. The PlayStation 3 is like getting an H2 Hummer for $10,000.00 bran spanking new, lol.

BabyStomper50003260d ago

How is it cheaper when it costs twice as much? Just wondering if I missed something here.

mfwahwah3260d ago

"That's just reality, no matter what fanboys say.

I can only go by what I see."

I laughed at the irony at this xD. I hope you did this on purpose, otherwise, I'll throw in an extra LMAO later.

StephanieBBB3259d ago (Edited 3259d ago )

If you want to do everything that you can do on the PS3 as an Xbox owner you have to buy gold live membership. After that you need batteries for your controller and a recharger if you don't want to spend a multitude of money on cheap batteries. A HDD is also needed as the PS3 has one.

360 Arcade = 199$
Xbox goldmembership = 70$
Battery charger = 40$
High quality rechargable Batteries = 10$
A 120 HDD for the 360 arcade version = 150$

Now the arcade version suddenly has a price of 469$ and growing at 70$ every year.

Not so cheap anymore ey?

Scotracer3259d ago

Where the hell do you shop?
- Play & Charge kit is $19.99
- Why do you need a 120Gb HDD? What's wrong with the 20Gb? That's $99
- Xbox Live is $50
- 360 Arcade $199

REAL Total: $368.99

And if you NEED that stuff, just buy the Premium for $299. You guys must be really poor if that's how you shop :S

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tordavis3260d ago (Edited 3260d ago )

Before the fanboyz jump in, I just wanted to say that technically, the PS3 is more powerful. If you've listened to any of our past shows you would know that I've said we haven't seen the true power of the PS3 just yet. I'm just saying from a technical standpoint, it has more power than the 360. We will see all of that next year as my man LightningPS3 pointed out. KZ2 is the first game that really shows what this system can do. MGS4 looks great, but we've seen graphics on that level on the 360. Same with Uncharted.

Just getting a few words in to let people know why we made that statement.

Bubbles for Lightning.

lwhatee3260d ago

you seen x360 game of the level of Uncharted?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

can you show me an x360 game that comes close to it?