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Warzone #15 - Playstation 3 Is The Most Powerful Console On The Market. Accept It And Move On!

Torrence Davis of The Bitbag writes, "On this episode we discuss the problems with the debate about which system is the most powerful. Everyone knows that the PS3 is the most powerful system. It's newer hardware than both the 360 and the Wii and has tons of untapped power. Does that mean people will stop buying 360's? Of course not. We take a look at last generation to prove our point. Also on the show:

- Why do we argue which system is better?
- What's happening at TGS?
- Pure VS Motorstorm 2
- Pain: Amusement Park
- Does anyone who lives in the US care about Europe and Japan sales?
- Darkpower returns as the Fanboy Of The Week for claiming that you have to have a Wifi adapter and a memory card to enjoy the FULL Xbox 360 experience."

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LightningPS33321d ago (Edited 3321d ago )

To me you have to have the best graphics to claim the most power. 360 games look really good like Gears of War 2 and Fable 2.

I just haven't seen anything graphically that looks head and shoulders above 360 games. Motorstorm maybe, and Heavy Rain possibly from what I saw on the trailer. And then of course there's Killzone 2.

But until those games prove themselves, it's all talk. I still haven't seen how PS3 is clearly the most powerful.

DavidMacDougall3321d ago

Bubbles for the non-fanboy and smart answer

Your right wait until the 2009 games come out and we will see

Rick Astley3321d ago (Edited 3321d ago )

How many 360 games come close to Heavy Rain?
How many 360 games come close to Killzone 2?
How many 360 games come close to Uncharted?
Gran Turismo 5?
Ratchet & Clank Future: TOD?
MGS4?
Hell even LittleBigPlanet looks fantastic with those life-like textures.

We've already seen that the PS3 is clearly superior. You'd have to blind to not see it. Most 360 exclusives run on the outdated trash known as Unreal Engine 3, an engine that was maxed out last year by games like BioShock and Mass Effect. Gears of War 2 doesn't look special at all. Shame on Epic for releasing constant bullshots. We know what the gameplay looks like already so they better stop publishing fake "in-game" screen shots. They did this with Unreal Tournament 3 and the original Gears of War as well.

Denial at its finest.

lwhatee3321d ago (Edited 3321d ago )

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

Uncharted and MGS4 look head and shoulders above any game on 360.
also PS3 has done lot of things which is technically impossible on x360 --1000 enemies on screen in heavenly sword, running games at full HD at 60 fps,256 player online, 8 player co-op and so on

You have to be a die hard x360 fanboy to even argue with the fact that x360 isnt way less powerful than ps3

plain rice3321d ago

Wow does GT5P not exist anymore? That game in my eyes is the best looking game on any console.

Montrealien3321d ago (Edited 3321d ago )

I'm not in denial at all, the PS3 is the better machine. Does it mean it will always have better games?

*looks at the Xbox 1*

Nope. Just Rogue Galaxy and Yakuza 2, which I where made the less powerful then the Xbox 1 PS2, proves this without a shadow of a doubt. But I know there will be amazing gaming experiences on the PS3, just like the 360.

I win.

Hububla3321d ago

Yes but you cant just say oh the games that are out now prove that they are equal... only now are we seeing developers that actually know how to program for the PS3 and even with these new games they are still just getting their grips on it.... with the 360 it programs pretty much like a computer so its easy and not hard to use all the 360s pottential. but you cant deny that there is still a whole wackload of power that developers havent even tapped into in the PS3 yet... thats why we say its more powerful not because of whats out now...

FantasyStar3321d ago

I couldn't agree more. The only game I can consider that can truly say its presentation-levels are above the competition is Killzone 2. I thought Uncharted looked good too, but I can't forget that most of it is all in "small" areas. If Killzone 2 proves itself, it's going to be a good day for me and my 360 friends.

gaffyh3321d ago

I own both a PS3 and 360 and I know that this is not really only about the graphics, it is really quite obvious that the PS3 is more powerful in raw power. It has something like 27Ghz worth of processing power or something ridiculous like that. 360 games look good, but they are mainly better looking because it's RAM can handle higher-res textures, and because it is so easy to develop for.

Now that it has been 2 years the newer PS3 exclusives look like they will look better (and some of the old ones look really good too i.e. MGS4, Ratchet & Clank, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, GT5P).

gokuss1220023321d ago

First of all, great show. (someone pm me the time listing for the podcast). Here are my issues though.

Yes,PS3 is better (off it's gaming merits alone, especially considering everything outside of gaming). I am not a fanboy, though I do have a little crush on Sony, as well as, a dislike for the MS. Let me tell you why though.

The main/most important reason for this is (concerning ps3 and 360), bluray. Minus the fact that it is the standard hd medium format, but the disc space allows for bigger and better games. And actually MS has held back "next gen" due using dvd. If MS had used anything but dvd, we (all gamers) would be experiencing a better gen (lazy devs play a huge part too).

Another thing is (desprite, devs implementations)motion sensing. Even if motion sensing was only going to used for steering, it still opens up so many possibilities. For instance, (devs get on the ball) if motion sensing was the standard steering in a game, it would free up the analog sticks for something else (can you say dual welding separate aiming driveby).

Another thing is, no charge to play online. MS are b**ches for charging xbots to have essentially the same online experience as psn gamers, considering most games have and will be multiplatform games, and especially since xbox live (despite the fee)has ads (that is a huge slap in the face). That like paying for cable and seeing a commercial during a movie you paid for.

I could keep going but my point is made.

The main thing is if we let bs, such as the dvd thing slide, we will never get true next gen gaming.

mfwahwah3321d ago

I'll prove it to you.

[email protected] requires power.

PS3 runs [email protected]

360 does not run [email protected]

Graphics don't denote power. Graphics are just one representation of how well a developer knows the hardware.

arika3321d ago (Edited 3321d ago )

you probably live in your own world and never get to go out that much, because you don't even know what you are talking about or are you on something, man or woman give me some of those....
there is nothing on the xbox 360 lineup that can match up with the visual quality and greatness of these ps3 games GRANTURISMO PROLOGUE, UNCHARTED DRAKES and MGS4.
if you say you do your delusional just take a look at your disagrees. you are getting slammed my friend.

pulsating-bile3321d ago

ps1's processor crunched 33 million peraflops of data a second. The ps2 did somewhere around 500-700 million peraflops of data a second. xbox 1 probably a little higher than that. xbox 360 tech being more than 1.5 years older than ps3 i could take a guess after what im about to tell you. The cell marked an astonishing 131 billion peraflops of data a second running folding at home on the first firmware. Newer firmware means better hardware performance. 360 being 5 cores shorter than the 8 cored "cell" is significantly lower. Now theres newer firmware, haven't ran [email protected] lately but my guess is that its more. Look at the psp. It eventually got the last firmware for performance unlocking the processors mhz to 333. Dont be silly Lightning.

snakeater33321d ago

usually your rant verges on the fanboyisma (new term i just coined up), but this comment reflects what every unbiased right minded gamer thinks about this gen. bubbles for you

marionz3320d ago

anyone else sick of this hip hop gamer BS, sorry but its pretty clear hes just another fanboy after hits.

anyway i agree that the ps3 had the potential to outshine in the graphics department, but it doesnt have the ram needed to fully show off what the cell can do, its pretty simple really, now if ps3 had a gig or so of ram and if blue ray discs were a bit faster to load then obviously ps3 would be leaps and bounds ahead, but i dont think you are going to see much on ps3 that cant be equaled on 360

IaMs123320d ago

Of course it is more powerful and should be it came out later, its newer! common sense really, if it wasnt would be pathetic... if the 360 came out later it would be in the same positiion as the ps3 is in now i bet...

Death24943320d ago

He said spec-wise you have to admit that the ps3 is a more powerful system. Fable doesn't look good to me. Gears of war2 on the other hand is great, but even the developer admitted that it's slightly an improvement over the previous version with just a larger color palette. What do you mean by prove themselves? Gametrailer "biased 360 website" gave Killzone 2 best graphics award of E3 08. how is that not proving yourself. Name me one game that's looks good on the 360 that doesn't use the Unreal Engine 3? Halo 3 didn't even come close to it's pre-rendered trailer.

power of Green 3320d ago (Edited 3320d ago )

Ps3 has an inferior GPU, Video Card and inferior Memory use. That is why all of it's games look like sh*t.

Uncharted is not a good game to use as an gage, games like Warhound, Far-cry 2,COD4/5 etc blow it out of the water. lol

KZ2 is on par with other top tier games.

tordavis/Hip-hop gamer team is becoming the SDF with skills.

These guys don't even know what they are talking about. In theory the PS3 could outpeform the 360 in physics based function if a dev goes out of his way to make a game that is more physics-sim than anything else.

PS3 is inferior, the KZ2 devs have made a great product that could be done better on the 360.

egm_hiphopgamer3320d ago

uncharted looks better than alot of 360 games, ratchet is the best graphics for any platformer to date, heavenly sword has some of the best graphics ever, Lair , motorstorm i mean best graphics out there now check this out i played killzone 2 and it looks better than gears, resistance, call of duty 4, i mean it's really detailed, so i mean ps3 is showing that not just graphics but scale and the bigness of there games are above what 360 has shown look at mass effect a huge game but it has tons of graphics hiccups, you see what i mean so ps3 to me is more powerful and heavy rain forget about that's on a whole new level and keep in mind 360 has been out for 3 years and the best exclusive graphical representation of that system is gears 2 gears 2 looks drop dead gorgeous man but at the same time killzone 2 surpasses that and after looking at resistance 2 from a graphical stand point it's kinda neck and neck to me but technical wise resistance is the biggest game with a huge scale to it i mean it's crazy so those are my reasons why ps3 is more powerful, but the 360 is very powerful too so don't sleep thanks for your comment though we should play some games soon
psnid hiphopgamer1 2 3 4 5 or 6
1luv and god bless peace

bobokadof3320d ago

saying that Gears looks as good as uncharted....are you blind? retarded? playing on a SD tv ? idk....something must be wrong with you.

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GiantEnemyCrab3321d ago

Great podcast! Downloading the show now. HHG+TD=Awesome!

LightningPS33321d ago (Edited 3321d ago )

Metal Gear Solid 4 was suppose to prove how PS3 was more powerful, that it couldn't be done on 360.

In my opinion it didn't, was a good game though.

The bottom line is PS3 and 360 are about the same thing, and if PS3 can't more or less match the prices of XBOX 360, it's going to be a tough going for them. That's just reality, no matter what fanboys say.

I can only go by what I see.

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Ju3321d ago

Lightning, I give you a bubble back. Just because your tone is somewhat different then I'm used to. Your arguments make sense, even though if I do not agree with them, you sound reasonable.

You might be right. If the PS3 games can't really put 360 games at a distance, its hard to argue about the price. That is, if you consider the games alone.

I however also consider the added value you get with the PS3, that is BD, WiFi, chargeable controllers and free online play.

Some people might not value these things primarily, and would simply go with the lower price. I agree.

In the long run, I however also think, we will see more good games coming for the PS3, also with a clearer distance to 360 games at some point. Ports/Launch games could keep up, which usually show only 50-80% what can be done over the lifetime. So, this is a pretty clear indicator, IMO.

INehalemEXI3321d ago (Edited 3321d ago )

Just the fact that FF13 will have to be chopped into 5 discs to = 1 BD should tell you something.

Just KZ2 pre alpha footage should tell you something.

Just the lack of a high failure rate should tell you something.

Just the specs should tell all thats really all you need know to discern which is ultimately more powerfull.

Just the games MGS4, HS, GT5P, Warhawk, Resistance and Uncharted should tell you something they all bring things that are unique to PS3.

Its not a huge difference in power shown to date but Its easily recognizable to me. I play the top games from each system and I notice PS3's greatest looks and plays more solid and smooth then that of the 360.

I was amazed that when I played NGS i was impressed by the graphics and smooth gameplay. When I played NG2 I noticed a Ryu with a lower polygon count then in sigma first off and graphics that where barely on par with sigma if that. I was impressed with the new elements of gameplay , higher level of gore , and the weapons , bosses etc. Technically and Graphically though I was surprised that Sigma impressed me more.

Time_Is_On_My_Side3321d ago

lol, what you're seeing must be on an SD (Standard Definition) TV. The PlayStation 3's price is still cheaper even if you buy the Arcade model ($199.99). Whether you buy the PlayStation 3 for game or just for movies you're getting a deal.

Ironic too because of your name and avatar people would assume you'd favour the PlayStation 3. The PlayStation 3 is like getting an H2 Hummer for $10,000.00 bran spanking new, lol.

BabyStomper50003321d ago

How is it cheaper when it costs twice as much? Just wondering if I missed something here.

mfwahwah3321d ago

"That's just reality, no matter what fanboys say.

I can only go by what I see."

I laughed at the irony at this xD. I hope you did this on purpose, otherwise, I'll throw in an extra LMAO later.

StephanieBBB3320d ago (Edited 3320d ago )

If you want to do everything that you can do on the PS3 as an Xbox owner you have to buy gold live membership. After that you need batteries for your controller and a recharger if you don't want to spend a multitude of money on cheap batteries. A HDD is also needed as the PS3 has one.

360 Arcade = 199$
Xbox goldmembership = 70$
Battery charger = 40$
High quality rechargable Batteries = 10$
A 120 HDD for the 360 arcade version = 150$

Now the arcade version suddenly has a price of 469$ and growing at 70$ every year.

Not so cheap anymore ey?

Scotracer3320d ago

Where the hell do you shop?
- Play & Charge kit is $19.99
- Why do you need a 120Gb HDD? What's wrong with the 20Gb? That's $99
- Xbox Live is $50
- 360 Arcade $199

REAL Total: $368.99

And if you NEED that stuff, just buy the Premium for $299. You guys must be really poor if that's how you shop :S

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tordavis3321d ago (Edited 3321d ago )

Before the fanboyz jump in, I just wanted to say that technically, the PS3 is more powerful. If you've listened to any of our past shows you would know that I've said we haven't seen the true power of the PS3 just yet. I'm just saying from a technical standpoint, it has more power than the 360. We will see all of that next year as my man LightningPS3 pointed out. KZ2 is the first game that really shows what this system can do. MGS4 looks great, but we've seen graphics on that level on the 360. Same with Uncharted.

Just getting a few words in to let people know why we made that statement.

Bubbles for Lightning.

lwhatee3321d ago

you seen x360 game of the level of Uncharted?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

can you show me an x360 game that comes close to it?

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agentace3321d ago

that is the most bull sh!t coment i`ve ever seen, uncharted is far better than Gears graphicly

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JOLLY13321d ago

because dang that guy is a luger!

HighDefinition3321d ago (Edited 3321d ago )

Graphically- Uncharted and Gears are even.

Animations- Uncharted wins by a LANDSLIDE and when I say LANDSLIDE, I mean LANDSLIDE.

Just thought I`d add that.

darkseid13321d ago

PS3 is obviously more powerful than the 360 but it really doesn't matter to me so much. After all, I've got both systems and I have to admit that the 360 is pretty amazing, but I prefer the PS3. I've always been a fan of Playstation since PS1. Anyway my point is that worrying about what system is more powerful is pretty stupid and childish, and I'm sure you can't explain it enough on this stupid site since these idiots just don't listen to a word you say becuase they aren't real gamers. I for one know that I'm gonna have a [email protected]@king incredible November (GEARS 2 & RESISTANCE 2).

tordavis3321d ago

Bubbles for Darkseid and all the other True Gamers here.

Oh and Iwhatee is at it again: http://www.thebitbag.com/Me...

Skadoosh3321d ago

HAHA, I wonder if he confused the word Negro with the other bad one. Good stuff. This site makes me laugh. :)

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Time_Is_On_My_Side3321d ago (Edited 3321d ago )

Gears of War is not on par with Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, it isn't even close. I have an XBOX 360 and a PlayStation 3 the Uncharted: Drake's Fortune game looks better graphically. When you go into caves the lighting is amazing, the water effects, just overall textures are a lot better. With Gears of War 2 that game looks to be closer to Uncharted: Drake's Fortune than the first game, but after playing Halo 3 I would have to play the game first.

P.S. Halo 3 looks ugly on an HD (High Definition) TV, but looks good in screen shots, lol. Ridge Racer 7 for the PlayStation 3 looks better than most XBOX 360 game and it was a launch title.

FantasyStar3321d ago

And they say that PS3 isn't the most powerful console.....yet.

VF34EJ253321d ago

Actually, from a Visual Standpoint one can argue that Gears of War looks just as good or better than Uncharted. But from a technical standpoint, Uncharted > Gears of War.

Drake is made up of about 30,000 polygons.
Fenix is about 15,000.

The enemies that Drake shoot at, is made up of 12,000-15,000 polygons.

And it shows. Look at all the different animations Drake can do. Then look at Fenix. Huge difference.

Gameplay wise, obviously is not the topic here.

Source: http://forum.beyond3d.com/s...

Ju3320d ago

Interesting comment about Lair, there:

Lair, PS3, 2007
Main dragon plus its rider - 150,000 polygons
16x16KM scene - 134M polygons (streamed into memory, not loaded at run time)

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DavidMacDougall3321d ago

Yeah but to be fair the 360 is a toaster

juuken3321d ago

The PS3 is a damn good system.

Been playing some Resistance and that game is AMAZING. Same thing with Uncharted. I can't wait for R2 and Uncharted 2! :3

Microsoft_Spokesman3321d ago

A toaster with a built in red light, noise and smoke generator, thank you very much! ;).

Stickguy2593321d ago (Edited 3321d ago )

The Xbox 360 is a damn good system.

Been playing some Gears and that game is AMAZING. Same thing with Mass Effect. I can't wait for GeOW 2 and ME 2!:3

juuken3321d ago

Good for you, but the PS3 is a true next gen console. :)

Stickguy2593321d ago (Edited 3321d ago )

That's cool, I'll be too busy playing Fable 2, Left 4 Dead and Dead Space to notice.

juuken3321d ago

And I'll be playing Little Big Planet, Valkyria Chronicles, Resistance 2, Motorstorm: Pacific, and Naruto: Ninja Storm. :)

ThatCanadianGuy3321d ago

Left 4 dead?? fable 2?? dead space?

Left 4 dead-PC
fable 2-PC
Dead space-Multiplatform

Don't need a 360 for any of those games :)

Pain3321d ago

they cant understand even if you draw them a picture.

AuToFiRE3321d ago

your ava looks like its got a hard on from blood intake

Stickguy2593321d ago (Edited 3321d ago )

I wasn't trying to point out console exclusives.

I was saying that I would have fun playing games on the 360 regardless of whether it was the most powerful system or not. You all once again show that it's mostly about the system for you, and not about the games.

But, I will gladly listen to you all if you tell me why the system you play the games on matters, when it comes to gameplay, the only real thing that matters in any video game.

ambientFLIER3321d ago

"Good for you, but the PS3 is a true next gen console. :)"

Juken the troll is hard at work again, spamming up articles as fast as she can type.

blackbeld3321d ago

DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF PS3 !!!!!!!!!!!!

juuken3320d ago (Edited 3320d ago )

And you're the resident member here?

You're the BIGGEST troll around here so I find it *laughable* that you call me a troll when you're a troll as well. I've been here since April of this year. How long you've been here...for a couple of weeks now?

FAIL.

The PS3 is here to stay.

GO CRY SOME MORE. =)

AngryTypingGuy3320d ago

It's almost Fall 2008 and the 360 is STILL graphically on-par with the 360, and 360 versions of multiplatform games STILL look and run as good if not a little better on the 360. Yet all you PS3tards still point to what the consoles look like on paper. You still point to games that aren't out yet. You still pretend the PS3 doesn't have those jaggies on games like Uncharted. And you're still oblivious to the fact that the 360 has more and higher rated games.

AngryBot3320d ago

purposely and deliberately closing their eyes on some of PS3s finest games.

Nothing on the 360 comes close to Uncharted, GT5 and MGS4.

You idiots are so delusional, I have seen people who still try to argue that 360 games look better than those I mentioned. They are retarded. They go to YouTube out of jealousy, watch some MGS4 cutscenes and then claim to have "no need for a PS3" because they PLAYED MGS4 through YouTube.

They are truly ridiculous and probably fking poor ass! And to make it even funnier, they then go on and on about how "MGS4 doesnt look impressive and how 360 games look better".

Yes, that qualifies as retardism.

InfiniteUnfloppery3320d ago

hahaha,this guy just Flopped himself

dukadork3320d ago (Edited 3320d ago )

yea, pretty good selfloppery, lol

now i'm not sure what he's talkin about with the 'jaggies' thing...
maybe the poor angry dude doesn't own an HDTV?

lol

ambientFLIER3320d ago (Edited 3320d ago )

Errrrr...I've been here for a good amount of time, definitely more than a couple of weeks. I just didn't come here for a while.

Anyway, look through your comment history and tell me seriously that you're not outright trolling 360 news...

Also, I don't hate the PS3, I don't mind it at all. I DO hate its controller because it's not a good choice for my favorite genre, FPS, and it is way too small and light. Feels like a toy. Doesn't even have real triggers. Maybe if Killzone 2 isn't a flop like the first, I'll start to like it.

juuken3320d ago

And 360 fanboys troll PS3 news.

YOUR POINT BEING?

ambientFLIER3320d ago (Edited 3320d ago )

Does that mean that you need to lower yourself to their level and troll as well? Just because someone else is doing it? That's real mature.

juuken3320d ago (Edited 3320d ago )

You know what's real immature?

When someone like you have the nerve to question me about that when I only comment on 360 news when I feel it's relevant. For the people who have a problem with me being there, they can always ignore me. I do believe that there is a such thing as the ignore button.

And me stooping to their level has nothing to do with what I just said. You can attack me for commenting on 360 news and yet you can't seem to do that for the 360 fanboys who do the same thing on PS3 news.

Please stop.

AngryTypingGuy3320d ago

Oops, I did say the 360 is still on par with the 360. I guess I did "self flub" a.k.a. make a typo, which everyone does. Dorks.

To the guy who says I don't own an HDTV, just so you know, I have a 40" Samsung 1080P LCD, and my 360 looks AMAZING on it.

The jaggies that I refer to on the PS3 come from their own displays in GameStop and other places. Go into any GameStop and turn on the Uncharted demo and tell me there aren't a bunch of jaggies. And the demo is on Sony's own HDTV. To be fair though, the demos that you see in GameStop and other stores are in 720P and not 1080P, which boggles my mind because you'd think that you'd want your presentation to be as crystal clear as possible to potential customers.

I will say that MGS4 looks extremely impressive, although I have yet to see it played on a PS3 in person. But you guys act like all PS3 games, including multplatform games, blow the 360's out of the water with graphics, when you know that's not true at all.

The most impressive graphics for both consoles are yet to come, and you'll see games more impressive looking than MGS4, such as RE5, on both consoles. If there is a time when the PS3 starts to pull away from the 360, it will be if MS decides to stop focusing on the 360 before Sony decides to stop focusing on the PS3.

-_-3320d ago (Edited 3320d ago )

[[we already have moved on.only xbox fans are in denial]]

dukadork3320d ago (Edited 3320d ago )

we're just flippin you sh!t cuz there are no jaggies in uncharted, if you know how to connect a ps3 to an hdtv.
now graphics wise, i'm afraid killzone2 is in a league of its own.
RE5 looks good but i don't like the game.

GameStop? why in hell would i ever go to this sh!t hole???