This enticing piece of news might spur on the current debate over the correct format for the Next Gen Consoles. Recently Hideo Kojima said that "Blu-Ray is too small for Metal Gear Solid 4."
4.5 gigs of game.>: ) http://www.funnyjunk.com/pa...
that video was very funny hehe. The games are difinatly not all about the cutscenes, even though there was a fair amount of them in MGS2- the moast disapointing one of the 3 games too.
For MGS4, can`t wait to see what Kojima somes up with, i`m sure he can fill thoses gigs with a great game.
MGS2 was way better than Snake Eater. The end of Sons of liberty was magnificent. I wish Snake Eater had a story that strong. Plus the controls and camera are [email protected]
I think MGS3 was better, because it was about Snake`s father and not Raiden. It had a better story and made good additions to the gameplay in the new CQC and camo systems, which felt a bit strange at first, but nothing hard to get after some play. The Subsistance version has a better camera system ( havn`t tryed it myself though)
And the ending of MGS3 is one of the best I`ve seen and was a lot better than the one in MGS2.
MGS cutscenes use the ingame engine so it doesn't eat that much space. CGI do.
And AFAIK he never said that he wanted 50GB BRD for his game, he just said that a 20GB can be filled fast enough. I think he was just answering a question about new storage media.
i don't recall seeing your posts come up as spam/offensive.
I noticed it a long time ago and I still wonder why lol
MGS4 will use Blu Ray's storage and if its over 30 GBs then its not coming to the 360. ONLY on, the PLAYSTATION 3!
well. kojima the boss has spoken.His cut scenes are like movies.so sick
Yes i'll be open minded Halo sucks, so 4 all the MGS haters, i don't think Halo is 2 great either, at least MGS 4 is a much rarer game than Halo, halo has been done better by let's see many of the games that appeared after it.
that's the point. the assumption is everyone that owns an xbox thinks halo is the greatest thing to grace the face of the earth. my favorite xbox game is splinter cell: chaos theory. halo is fun, but to me it's not the end all be all. i'm looking forward to mass effect, bioshock, graw 2, splinter cell 5, alan wake, and many others besides halo 3. i don't like metal gear, you do. it's good we all don't like the same things, otherwise there would only be 1 game with a million sequals. generic 1, generic 2, generic 3, and so on. i don't care if you like mgs, enjoy it. doesn't mean i have to like it.
Are you also german like Achira and Juevani? If so "german" is european for retard...
Im not to keen on Halo myself-
played it. Was...good...but it didnt have a 'wow' factor to me.
I personally think MGS is the best thing to ever happen to games, but like the above poster said, we all have different views.
However, I thought MGS2 and MGS3 were the two best games I ever played. 50GB = A whole lot of more MGS action
Your opinion on Halo is worth SH!T!!! The Halo franchise is now the hottest selling franchise in all videogames because MILLIONS of gamers agree that it's the best thing since sliced bread! The videogame journalist also agree so... guess you're player hating opinion is worthless.
Don't be mad that the best thing Sony has to counter MicroSoft is the extremely tired Metal Gear Franchise.
Well, your opinion is worth 'SH!T' to me too.
1.My opinion is just as valid as is yours-
I am free to redicule it, and am free to agree with it. Stop acting like a idiot.
2."The Video Game Journalist..." o rly ?
For goodness sake, atleast give me a better arguement than a single journalist agreeing. Also, give me evidence of him agreeing.
3. Your opinion on hating is worthless too then, just as is mine.
LOL ! I am so sure you have never played any of the MGS franchise, I would be willing to be money on it. If anything, IMO the franchise is only begining. Its a pity its stopping at MGS4. I can think of many other games which have been around for much longer and could do with being finished.
5.What are you-
10 years old ?
FFS, I didnt even call Halo "SH!T", "[email protected] You see people ? This is the IQ of the average Xbox fanboy which constantly flames you on these forums.
And even if I did call Halo "SH!T", im entitled to do so.
Considering how I had both the PS and PS2 I did pick upMetal Gear because of all the Hype. The first one sucked with all those VR missions and the second one was just lame with all that dumb hiding stuff.
As for the video game journalist; I'm talking about the whole industry. Even the Japanese videogame magazine Fugiste (or whatever it's called) gave Halo a 9 out of 10.
I'm sorry but why does he need more than 20GB of storage, will this really be full oif gameplay or is it just CGI and a hell of alot of cutscences.
Kojima already said he wasn't concered about 1080p graphics that would eat up too much memory. Now I expect there to be plenty of cutscenes, but if he wants more space I'm sure there's more gameplay to go with it. I'm looking forward to this.
Do not, I repeat, do NOT think for one second that he needs a 50GB Blu-ray disc for Pre-rendered cutscenes. Hideo Kojima has never used CG, and never will, including this project. He prefers to keep everything in-game quality in order to fully immerse his players.
Animation, Sound (voice acting, fx, music), 3D models, textures (color, reflection, specular, normal, etc), and scripting are going to take up the bulk of that space. He seems very concerned about creating an immersive world where anything can happen, and it's a good thing that Sony adopted Blu-ray for this platform, otherwise developers like Kojima would've been held back quite a bit.
This game would just not fit onto a DVD. It just wouldnt happen-
Blu-Ray is already showing its benefits !
Also, I notice people are throwing the word MGS like its just another game. Its more than a game,
its more of a experience.
Some of the people here use MGS like its just another Gundam or just another Burnout. I assure, its far more than any of those games will ever be. The MGS series of games are perfection.
I'm just still not conviced at why he thinks that 20GB is not enough and can't he use something called compression to make the files smaller while attaining the same quality of sound, gameplay etc.
The game wont have 50gb of gameplay. If you think the game wouldnt fit on a dvd9 you're an idiot.
Having a console that doesnt have a hardware resolution scaler means, they will need alot more space to have the video's at different resolutions.
What everyone should be asking. If the graphics are so great, why dont they just render the cutscenes?
Compression? With the limited RAM of the ps3 it will be alot harder to decompress on the fly. I just hope they take the time to do away with loading screens on it, but sadly on the ps3, its not something that the console is able to easily perform.
PS3: 256 MB of GDDR3 RAM @ 700Mhz.
256 MB of XDR RAM @ 3.2Ghz
Each memory pool is on a dedicated bandwidth line of 22~24 GB/s (46GB/s total) in addition to 35GB/s of bandwidth between the CPU and GPU. Doesn't look very limited to me, especially since it's twice the memory bandwidth of the 360.
Sure this game could fit on a DVD-9, but it wouldn't be the same game. It'd be smaller, have edges cut off, compromises to quality, etc. I seriously can't imagine Resistance being cut down by 50% just to fit on a DVD, let alone other big PS3 titles.
"If the graphics are so great, why dont they just render the cutscenes?" -You just contradicted yourself by stating "If the in-game graphics are so great, how come they don't throw away their million-dollar graphics engine and spend millions of dollars doing pre-rendered CG instead?"
I wouldnt go to as far to call myself a idiot,
however I dont think it would think it would fit onto a DVD9.
Im sure that 50GB can be compressed somewhat (Unless its a compressed figure alread) to around 35GB if its really worked on, but dont expect miracles.
50GB to around 6-7GB is totally unreasonable.
The PS3 has as much RAM as the 360-
I dont understand what you mean by "Limited".
It has 256MB of GDDR3 and 256MB of XDR
And if anything, the Cell should excell at tasks such as decompression.
EDIT_1: Totally agree with DJ up there.
EDIT_2: I dont have many more posts, so I have to recycle.
You down there, Nodoze, for goodness sake, what are you on about ?
"10 to 1 its uncompressed audio for multiple languages"
Also, Snake Eater was one of the best games I ever played.
Calling it [email protected] If you understand the story, take it onboard, and recognise its similarities to Real Life, then you will probably enjoy it 50% more.
Then there is the gameplay, which is absolutely fantastic.
Control over character = 10/10
Music = 10/10. Some of the best music I heard in a game (Albeit I wasnt too keen on the intro music. MGS2s was superior ( http://media.putfile.com/Me... ))
Weapons = Fanastic. 9/10. They did their homework
Guards = 15/10. As per standard operating procedure, the guards were fantasticly created. Try playing the game on European Extreme, and survive a ALERT.
I could go on, but the point is it was one of, if not the best game I ever played.
EDIT_3: Nodoze, stop throwing around cliches around. Its MGS2 that had a lot of cut scenes (Which were incredibly enjoyable BTW).
MGS3 didnt have too many cut scenes (Which when they appeared, were once again, incredibly enjoyable).
Now im absolutely sure you have never played MGS3. Get out of here.
-DJ- you seem to not know that "96mb" of ram is dedicated only for the OS program for the ps3. Which leaves the ps3 with only "416mb" of usable ram for the games themselves.
While the Xbox 360 has "32mb" dedicated to their OS program, leaving "480mb" of usable ram for their games. When you do the math then you'll realize that the Xbox 360 has "64mb" of more usable ram than the ps3.
If you think about that then you would also realize that the original Xbox had only "64mb" of ram altogether, and it consistently crush the ps2 in terms of... Well everything.
it appears that fanboys have adopted the 'larger disc = better game' mentality. I can't wait for 200GB games they will be sooo much better....cough yeah right.
10 to 1 most of that space is storing uncompressed audio for multiple languages, nothing more.
I notice people are throwing the word MGS like its just another game. Its more than a game,
its more of a experience.
Is that because most of the time you are sitting back watching cut scenes?
So tell me, how was the experience that is snake biter...err eater. I can tell you, it looked mighty [email protected]
I call total BS, there is no way it would take more, unless they are the worst bunch of programmers in the world.
they said the same thing with RFOM, and that turned out to be bunk as well, take out the junk and both games would fit just fine on 1 dvd, maybe 2 at the most.
and if he does not use "pre-rendered, CG" then what the hell have the trailers been, and why do they look so incredibly better than the ingame footage that's been released? CUT-SCENE, PRE RENDERED.
he wants lots of it, get over it.
all this was is an attempt to get peoples mind off the FACT that MGS4 IS coming to the xbox360!! if he say things like, I WANT 50 GIGS OF DISC SPACE knowing the xbox doesn't have a next gen disc could kinda put that rumor to rest, that's all it is!!
quick thought!! remember back when Square Enix said they didnt want sony to be the overall winner, they didnt want Ms to be the overall loser, an they didnt want sony to be the overall loser either so there gonna support all the consoles equally!! well that means that they want all the systems to sell great, which in return helps them make money!! WELL... for them right now looking at the Ps3 current situation things ain't looking real good!! an they know that there game weights alot in the success of the Playstation brand, an buy announcing it this early that MGS4 would indeed be coming to xbox360 would really hurt sony an they know it!! an all the sony fans know it as well they just wont admit it!!!
all MGS series never use CG all are ingame .
man i can't wait for this game,
Bring on the Socom sony i got over 100 members on my clan . all of them will buy PS3
Haha, SOCOM is a joke!
Btw, My cuzin (who works for Sony) plays socom and his team lost in the finals in the championships to some team in Asia.
are u s2pid just shut up face the facts Kojima-san
one of the best DEV out there don't do u think hes lying.
did u read the news hes already making 360 games give him credit bro.
Kojima never ever used pre rendered stuff in his games. He simply hates it, because he has to wait for the rendering to be done. And since he likes tweaking the camera angles, lighting and so on, he only uses real time stuff
Check this out if you still don't believe it
all I did was voice my opinion an you jump out a call me stupid!!that goes to show you how STUPID YOU ARE!! an I see you really dont understand the business.developers covering up the truth to protect there investments happen all the time!! but like I said your JUST TO STUPID TO UNDERSTAND!! an as far as im concerned dont respond back to me with these attacks especially if I didnt direct them to you!!because you guys talk plenty of crap behind these CPU's!!
MGS4 will be a great game, whether it is 50GB, 25GB or below 9GB. If you don't like the MG series then fine, but i and countless other gamers think they are great, so at least let us get all excited. Yes, if you read my name i am a 360 fanboy but i do like some Playstation games and MGS4 will be the best PS3 game.
MGS seires one of the beest game ever created kojima-san. PS3-san 360-san Wii-san okidoki
peace out ima play fite nite online
Thnks Sony Free online Rocks
to bad you cant see your friends playing Resistance or any other game! Oh well...thats's what you get with a cheap service!
Damn Knight how pathetic are you!? You think that seeing who's playing what is worth $50? Damn you're pathetic. I didnt care about that sh!t before when i used to play my PC games online, nor did i care for it when i got it on xbox live. I dont care for it. Im not one of these little b!tches that needs to know what everybody is doing in order to have a good time. And i have many people on my friends list, i think its maxed out.
It makes me laugh when I hear people complain about spending $39.99 for a whole year of excellent online play; yet they put up $700 for a ps3 and accessories on one day! A ps3 that hasn't fullfilled the hype! A ps3 that sits in store shelves everywhere! So funny the ps3 duds are! :)
I like knowing if I'm playing Fight Night and I see all my friends playing Gears of War. I'll stop and go ahead and pop in my GOW disc and it's gametime!!! But you dont have that luxury! Xbox Live is years beyond the ps3 network! Sony dropped the ball again!
You're a idiot! "i dont have that luxury"? I have Xbox live you moron! "Us PS3 dudes"? I aint a PS3 dude, you clown, i dont have a PS3. I own a 360, doink! I've had it since day one Nov 22nd 2005, stayed out over night for it. So stop making assumptions you dumb fvck! Andd $39.99 is not the MS price (the official price), those motherfvckas want $49.99, thats what they charge my credit card if i dont cancel it before they do. So stop the bullsh!t alright
Larger discs do not equal better games. But MGS has proven to be a quality series. Gamers know this game will be good just as everyone knows Halo 3 will be good. Secondly, if you have such a hard time excepting MGS4 as a good game because Kojima wants a 50GB disc, then what do you think about Blue Dragon using 3 DVDs? Do more discs mean a better game?
I'm gonna quote you on that one.
sorry but after playing MGS2 i couldnt play another MGS game. the first MGS was great, after that the series when down the crapper, and now in MGS 4 there are mechs that moo like COWS?? are you KIDDING ME???? i will never understand asians.
personally I don't have a problem excepting MGS4 will be a good game on BD whether its 50GB or 10...I've always said MGS is one of my favorites....and again BD is fine, but as you said yourself: "Larger discs do not equal better games." -So if that is true then MGS4 on 2 or 3 DVD's would be just as good, right?.....which is why I'm not sure what you're trying to say with your Blue Dragon comments: "then what do you think about Blue Dragon using 3 DVDs? Do more discs mean a better game?" -The answer is I think if a dev's need "more space" to make sure that "all" of his vision for a game is included he should definitely use multiple discs, instead of cutting things, and it seems that the sales of Blue Dragon in Japan show that if a game is really good people will buy no matter how many discs its on.
well it'll be nice to see how this game plays out compared to how it looked at around E3 in 2006.
sorry that's the only ingame photo I have, I know there's others.
I was making that comment in response to Nodoze. I might have misunderstood what he was saying, but I thought he was saying that it was a stupid decision making the game on 50GB. I used the Blue Dragon comment to say there is no difference between one larger disc or several smaller ones.
I understand now....I agree, good post.
yeah 50GB. compressed or not there are so many different theories on they choose a larger medium
no need for multiple units as all games will have all the languages for the terrtories its released in/ i.e. one production to manage/more effiecent/
even quiet possibly a faster release date due to no need for compressing. C'mon compressing 40-50GB worth of file is going to take no less than a month
the mind can only speculate.
Cut scenes? I wanna play, not watch a movie! For that, I have HD-DVD! This story is lame as hell. Go over to the hardware of the year award for consoles. Comment on that ps3 fangirls lol!
Blue Ray and capasity is importent devs want new things always lets face it dvds is not enough for games anymore a year from now devs want to put all the things they want on a game and lets just say they will avoid the 360 since its not enough space to make the game perfect, excatly like (MGS4,FF13,DMC4) devs probably wish to realese them on every platform but they just cant cus of the capasity *and the power ;)* so with time you'll see more games go exclusive cus of that issue, so ms have to do something before its too late (push every xbox owner to buy a hd dvd driver and realese the next version of the console with a hd dvd built in) which will cus another problem, wanna know what is it? the cost.. face it ms made a mistake using dvd player (which is ages old, I mean comn consoles from last generation used dvd) Sony is smart they didnt make that move with no reason, and believe me we will see more news of that type ''dev that and dev this need more space for this game) and nobody wants to release a game with 6 or 5 dvds that just, hmmm.... well you know what I mean ''lame'' like the one who said lets use a dvds for the 360.
You Illiterate bastard!
If it's true that all the cutscenes are rendered in realtime, there can be no excuse for needing a 50gig disk. The way i see it, there can be only two options - Either Kojima is using pre-rendered cutscenes or he is not using any compression for the games resources. Heres an example of just how wasteful is it not to use compression: I've just been looking at a 1200x833 24-bit uncompressed bitmap image that i have stored on my PC and it was 1.9MB. I then converted the bitmap to JPEG format, leaving resolution and color-depth untouched. The resultant JPEG image was 133KB. Thats a ratio of about 14:1. Now consider a game that contains thousands of high-res textures and high-poly models and it's not surprising that it's easy to fill a 50GB disk. IMHO Kojima is just playing the marketing game for Sony. He wants to hope that he isn't forced to change his mind on a 360 version of MGS4 in the future, otherwise he's going to have a tough time explaining to the PS3 fans how he managed to cram a game he previously claimed required 50GB onto a DVD9.
There's scripting, animation, sound, etc. I do graphics/animation, and high quality animation with dozens of things going on at once really eats up space. His games have always had a significant focus on sound design, so you can bet his team went all out.
He's saying he needs a 50GB Blu-ray disc for MGS4. This doesn't mean that the game is going to be exactly 50GB. A more realistic estimate would be in the neighborhood of 30~40GB, which is still more than what a single-layer disc can handle.
Face it. Blu-ray's necessary, and great developers are taking advantage of it.
If your still denying it your just going to look even more like an idiot as more confirmation comes in, probably from square enix will be next. These are not inhouse Sony dev's so don't try and put out any BS. Gears was a good game and i've got it but far to short and that was because Microsoft knew it would be far to embarrasing to go multi-disc like blue dragon, good GPU but no space to make the most of it and CELL is far more powerful when used correctly... Micrsoft's spce in this games industry is dwindling away and I bet there's already to execs thinking that, as games use more space it's only a matter of time...
THEY ARE NOT WASTING SPACE EVERYTHING KOJAMI HAS EVER DONE IS FROM INGAME ATRIBUTES, THEY ARE AN INDEPENDENT COMPANY THEY ARE NOT PLAYING ANY SONY MARKETING GAMES AS THEY HAVE ALSO CRITICISED SONY WHEN NEEDED IN THE PAST. FACT IS THEY NEED THE SPACE SO ANYONE VIEWING THIS WEBSITE DON'T LISTEN TO ANY XBOX FANS IN A YEARS TIME PEOPLE WILL LOOK BACK AND LAFF AT THEM, THIS IS COMING FROM SOMEONE WHO PLANS ON OWNING ALL 3 CONSOLES WITH A 360 ALREADY AT HOME...
Sure, I don't deny that the extra space is useful and will be used with some games, Just not MGS4. Kojima has already said that he isn't using prerendered video. So, if you have all the answers, tell me what is he using the space for?
Maybe i will be proved wrong, only time will tell. But i think it's you that looks like the idiot for insulting people that happen not to agree with everything you say. Tell me, what makes you the expert?
Quite simply because it's a huge game for example the up and coming Heavenly Sword game has already been stated from the dev's to be at around 60hours playing time...
For anyone who needs reminding what an outstanding game MGS4 is going to be get over to GameTrailers.com and view the videos that are running ingame attributes this game is going to be an absolute masterpiece...
This comment was made specifically to endorse Blu-Ray and Sony and I believe it's an outright lie.
In the meantime, this game holds zero interest for me. I played the Metal Gear game that was available on the XBox (can't remember the exact title) and was extremely disappointed. A fat man on rollerskates is a boss? Give me a break. The story was a mess of a joke and held no cohesion.
After fondly remembering the NES Metal Gear and how obsessed I was with it, I was very sad when I sold my copy of the "improved" Metal Gear. Did I mention the horrible controls? Maybe it was better designed for the PS2, but with the XBox controller, the game felt sloppy on the controls.
Anyhow, I digress. Shame on the game designer for lying and losing integrity while cuddling up to the still warm corpse of the PlayStation brand...
Then your an idiot no one is lieing to you, they are a 3rd party developer, what does it take for you to believe them do you need him to run down the road with "We need the space" tattoed on his arse. MGS4 is an absolute masterpiece you only have to watch the videos from E3 and TGS to see that, This is the kind of game that could decide the console wars, especially after realising that it's going to be more of an FPS this time. It's simple history says if he didn't meen it he wouldn't of said it that's the way Kojami is and has always been...
waste your bubbles on such a hater. We know that MGS4 an many other games will bury M$ and any other console alive. Only time is holding sony back from yet another victory.
I don't deny that MGS4 has the potential to be a great game, only that it requires so much space. I'm still waiting for you to tell me how Kojima plans on using all that space. DJ made the point of patronising me about scripting, animation and audio. Well, I think everyone here knows how much MP3 audio can fit onto a standard DVD5. Even with multi-channel audio sampled at a high bitrate your looking at tens of hours. And regardless of what DJ says, I know from personal experience that animation tracks require very little space. I have sequenced long and complex animations myself in 3D Studio MAX and Kaydara FiLMBOX and the space requirements are negligible. So i'm still left wondering... HOW IS KOJIMA GOING TO USE THE SPACE?
I know that he has a pretty good reason he is asking for more space. The man knows what he is doing so stomp worry you will find out when it is released....
well don`t ask us.Call up konami`s hotline for details since you`re very interested on how your games are being made.I bet if u told some developer in the mid 90`s games were gonna move from 89mb to 4 6 9 GBs ,he might have called you crazy
I think the reason a lot of MS fanboys are angry Kojima's comment about a bigger blu-ray disk is simple. His comment is in a sense reiterating that there is a less and lesser chance that MGS4 will come to 360. Let's say that MGS4 comes in at 32gigs. That would require at least 4 DVDs for the 360 port.
The one dual layer Blu-ray disc = 4.5 pieces of dual layer DVD.
OH! 5 DVDs for game for Xbox360. It's impossible. Haha..
DJ,Raist,Athlon,Athlon,SimmoUK I agree with u all.
will be the greatest game of all times.
See what happens when people think ahead. Points to sony for looking down the road as oppose to the competition *cough cough Microsoft cough* who was just trying to beat sony to the punch. hmmm is anyone already noticing a trend. Gears of War "phenominal game" 7 whommping hours of gameplay maybe 8 if you really suck. Lost planet I havent finished it but i have friends who have and they told me it was a short ride as well. Mind you none of us are hardcore gamers. Just play for fun on the weekends or on business trips. I think instead of a HD-DVD add on microsoft should release a 6 Disc Changer. that way for later titles 2 maybe 3 years in. You wont have to keep track of all those pesky disks. just load em all in. lol
BTW Spawn your the biggest M$ Nut Sack Rider I have ever seen. Do they pay you?