It's a tough one – how to encourage a vibrant internet culture while protecting adults and children from offensive material?
Oh yes, so it begins. Someone floating the idea that this game, because people claim it is 'offending' muslims, should be banned. Meanwhile, those very same people downplay the sort of extremely violent speeches muslim terrorists and their supporters make. Ask them if they think those extremists should be banned or censored or prosecuted, they will say, 'no'.
but i understand what your saying though fully,alot more needs to be done we do not need another 9/11
They ought to be banned, arrested and deported.
http://funnycrazygames.com/... http://www.jesusdressup.com... http://www.arcadeboredom.co... How about the creators of those games get removed as well? I for one am sick and tired of this country going out of its way to defend Islam and at the same way ridicule Christianity. Either get rid of it all, or protect both. Why is it OK to offend Christians?
if they had one called american massacre would you want it banned yes i know i would its something i dont like its terrorist if we attack them for what they did its good to bring those to justice but to massacre a hole country for what some bad people did is not justice its being like them ... and for the jesus games i say bann that too
Well I can't see the game being a big help in building bridges.
Idiot, there's a difference between making fun of a person and a game that pits you to slaughter thousands that believe in a person.
Is keeping our American decency. Here's a mind blower to you. There are Americans who are Muslim!!!! bum bum bummmmm As much as you want it to, America has no religion. It has no color. It has no standard practice other than protect liberty and justice. So you offending other Americans in order to get back at cowardly terrorist (who BTW don't represent the entire Muslim community at all) shows your ignorance and that you don't truly believe in what America stands for. Anything offensive to any religion should be banned. But being that, as of now, America is the dominant force in the world and is predominantly Christian, Muslim massacre will get more attention. That's just the way it is. Making fun of yourself is funny. Making fun of the "enemy", as so many ignorant Americans see it now, is offensive and is more than a joke. I used to really believe in America as a kid, and I loved it unconditionally. This was because I grew up in a very well educated area. As I get older and see how ignorant a good portion of Americans can be, I start to wonder if our newer generations are even worthy to be Americans. To think a group of terrorist can turn us in to ignorant pigs overnight is really disheartening.
Religion is Sh!t; it's resposible for massacres, wars... They shouldn't be Muslims, Christains, Jews... just people. -Love you all-
two wrongs do not make a wright.
In the end it's just unnecessary. There is no really good reason for calling it Muslim Massacre or Running Jesus and wutnot. That's why I'm against this. Comedian can say stuff and I would usually be okay with it, because their goal is to make you laugh. These games has no such good intention.
This is exactly what the makers wanted to happen. They want to cause controversy. They might even be looking for a lawsuit so if it is taken down that they can use the 1st amendment speech. I say keep it. Just because some people get some sand in their panties and are way too sensitive about this stuff, it doesn't mean that everyone should be banned from playing a game.
I can't believe that some of you actually think that a game that promotes MASSACRE should actually exist in the name of "freedom of speach/expression" I pity you! I am an arab but dont believe in Islam or any other religion for that matter and somehow i still feel offended. Americans claim they have the best military technology which enables almost 100% accuracy in targeting and yet in almost every war that they were in or supported America caused the most civilian casualties. and then you guys ask urselves "why would ppl blow themselves up?" what, u think its some new hobby that Muslims happen to pick up? but i'm not posting this to defend Islam in anyway if anything I blame religions most of all! If someone killed one of my family members i'm sure revenge is gonna be on my mind and would probably carry on with it NOT in the name of a religion but my relative. religion is nothing more than a book of moral values that was needed for communities to get together as one but ironically its actually dividing our world today! we should focus on real issues like maintaining our population, global warming, disease,etc cuz if we keep this up were bound to consume this planet to death. NOTE: I recommend you all to download a documentary called "Zeitgeist" from http://www.zeitgeistmovie.c... After watching it i felt like i have an obligation to enlighten ppl. but if religion seems like an easier answer to our creation so be it i'm not gonna go promote massacre on ppl who believe in a religion!
@ above You pity me for believing that is a part of the 1st amendment? Well then good sir, I pity you for being ignorant. It doesn't matter if you think a videogame like that gets your panties in a bunch. You should stop crying about getting a game taken off the internet, and start learning what the first amendment is. Free Speech is the ability to say, do, or voice your opinion even if others don't agree with it. As long as it's a legal activity, you are free to say what you want. Like it or not, that videogame is protected by our own law that we always brag about. Where's the irony in that? Cry about the game and how racist it is, while I laugh at your pathetic attempts to ban free speech.
so ur ok with the all the shaikhs of mosques in afghanistan/pakistan who preach to kids day and night to "kill america! kill america!"? can u honestly say its ok? that they are protected by the first amendment?i bet if one comes knocking on ur door with a bomb ud change ur mind. I would love to hear u thoughts then. lol freedom of speech(which btw i'm not against) is one thing, promoting to massacre groups of ppl is another. its one step towards genocide! its not the game that i'm against its the title. I did buy COD4 and its one of my fav games but its regulated, not meant for kids, and doesn't have an insulting title. If ur beloved game simply said terrorist massacre or whatever it would have a WHOLE different meaning. and btw i don't need to learn ur laws. ur system does have its flaws! after all its written by both intelligent and dumb ass ppl.why is it that the USA has the highest rate of civilian deaths from firearms in the WORLD by a far faar margin? believe it or not i could care less, after all ur the one living there. sad thing is u probably think arabs/muslims are the most violent & aggressive like most americans do.
"so ur ok with the all the shaikhs of mosques in afghanistan/pakistan who preach to kids day and night to "kill america! kill america!"? can u honestly say its ok? that they are protected by the first amendment? lol i bet if one comes knocking on ur door with a bomb ud change ur mind. I would love to hear u thoughts then." No I don't believe in people doing that but that isn't the point. You obviously have no clue what Freedom of Speech is and you are trying to force your own opinion of what is right onto others. Nothing that person did was illegal, so why should it be taken down? "freedom of speech(which btw i'm not against) is one thing, promoting to massacre groups of ppl is another. its one step towards genocide! its not the game that i'm against its the title. I did buy COD4 and its one of my fav games but its regulated, not meant for kids, and doesn't have an insulting title. If ur beloved game simply said terrorist massacre or whatever it would have a WHOLE different meaning." You are against it if you want to take down some sort of media because you feel it is wrong. You sound exactly like that Jack Thompson idiot. Banning something does not take away an idea. Do you think making it illegal to hate Jewish people would stop someone like Hitler? Or take a real life example from right now. Banning piracy hasn't stopped it much at all. In fact, piracy grows every year even though it is illegal. The game obviously isn't meant for children anyway, so I don't see your point there. "and btw i don't need to learn ur laws. after all its written by both intelligent and dumb ass ppl.ur system does have its flaws! why is it that the USA has the highest rate of civilian deaths from firearms in the WORLD by a far faar margin compared to other countries? believe it or not i could care less after all ur the one living there. sad thing is u probably think arabs/muslims are the most violent & aggressive." You don't want to learn the laws from here? Fine. Just don't cry about taking this game down in a country that you obviously don't care about. Russia has the most rate of deaths by the way. That's obviously because they have Racist Massacre games there right?
"No I don't believe in people doing that but that isn't the point. You obviously have no clue what Freedom of Speech is and you are trying to force your own opinion of what is right onto others. Nothing that person did was illegal, so why should it be taken down?" listen man ur either for the first amenment or not? there is no difference between a dumb ass shaik preaching to kill americans or a developer puting a game out that says to kill all muslims. u can't be for and against the other. unless u think americans are special and should have more rights than other nationalities. and btw it was posted on the WORLD WIDE WEB lol not just in america. "The game obviously isn't meant for children anyway, so I don't see your point there." but its accessible to children so that changes everything. and pls dont compare me to that idiot. GTA doesnt encourage racism. about Hitler if he didn't have the opportunity to preach racism i don't think it would have had the same outcome. PS: the guy took the game down. why don't u read on that. he obviously thought something was wrong about it.
"listen man ur either for the first amenment or not? there is no difference between a dumb ass shaik preaching to kill americans or a developer puting a game out that says to kill all muslims. u can't be for and against the other. unless u think americans are special and should have more rights than other nationalities. and btw it was posted on the WORLD WIDE WEB lol not just in america." There is a difference. One is illegal the other isn't. You seriously are very stupid. "and pls dont compare me to that idiot. GTA doesnt encourage racism. about Hitler if he didn't have the opportunity to preach racism i don't think it would have had the same outcome. PS: the guy took the game down. why don't u read on that. he obviously thought something was wrong about it. " GTA does encourage racism by using your logic. You say that a game where you kill a certain race (well isn't that the same as Call of Duty?) is encouraging racism. Well GTA must be a goldmine of racism and sexism. No one on this site should say that should be taken down, however. You are clearly an idiot who doesn't understand free speech. Stop trying to argue about something you don't understand. PS: He took it down because people were sending him hate mail. If he really gave a care about what he made, he wouldn't have made it in the first place.
whats the point of this anyways?
I suppose it brings all the anti-free speech drones such as yourself out of the woodwork
and i dont hide, i say what i think
I don't think it should be banned because we have freedom of speech in this country, but the game shouldn't have been made. It's in bad taste, and it only helps to build of the stereotypes against Muslims. And frankly, its not fun.
It is a horrible, disgusting piece of trash, and so is whoever made it. That being said, it should not be banned. I don't want any restrictions placed on the freedom of the internet as long as laws aren't being broken. The great and horrible thing about the internet is that people on here have the freedom to say exactly what they think. It's freedom of expression, but that doesn't make it any less sickening.
"I don't want any restrictions placed on the freedom of the internet as long as laws aren't being broken. " So are you okay with websites that give detailed instructions on how to make bombs and various other weapons? Are you okay with "hate groups" that post things that instigate violence? Whose laws are we abiding by, who gets to make the laws, and who is in charge of interpreting the laws?
@Silellak Agreed. While this game is tasteless it's more wrong to ban it than to call it tasteless and allow it to exist.
@Sitdown What you talking about is moral standards. While there are things that people shouldn't be thinking about doing in OUR opinion, as long as it doesn't break the law, it should be able to exist. It's great to have moral standards, and I applaud those who are great at making ethical decisions. However, this should not transform into telling others to have the same ethics as you. There are people who think it's okay to do all those things, and usually they only do it because they can. They should be able to do legal things (while there are many who don't agree with it) if they want to. Basically, ethics = good. Forcing ethics upon others = bad.
and to the guy saying "what about bomb instructions and hate groups" you should have read sillilek post better, he said as long as they don't break the laws then it's fine.
I read his post.......those things I mentioned are not necessarily breaking the law......buy my question in the post was at where do you draw the line when you present stuff that could set an individual up to break the law....and then we are stuck where we are trying to be reactive instead of having been pro-active. For instance......if somebody post a video on how to rape people.....the video in itself does not break any law that I am aware of.....but, is that necessarily something that needs to be posted, that could lead to an increase in rapes? My post was not to say that he was right or wrong.....but asking how you handle such gray areas that can open the gate to law breaking behaviors. I believe that the reality is...most of us do not want complete freedom of speech to exist...
but you can ignore it like bad TV your not forced to watch it
How the hell can you ban an internet game? This article is trash and stupid.
Ban this trash.
[[if i made Christian Massacre,it would be banned]]
America is at War with Islam so it wont be.
Something bugs me though; Try to curse "Allah/the prophet" in front of a Muslim. He'll kill you right there (BTW they are the same people bombing European Countries, USA, etc..). They treat their women like crap (cook, give birth, hide yourself at home and STFU. Now curse Jesus/God in front of a Christian. He'll either try to explain why Jesus/God doesn't suck, or pray to God that you don't spend your life time in Hell, or simply walk away.
Fox, you know what you said is a load of stereotypes right? Islam is by far the most peaceful religion out of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. Just because most of them live where they can be easily manipulated by a warlord for his own wants, doesn't mean that they all are killers and radicals. Calling all Muslims terrorists is like calling all Christians hate mongerers because of the Westboro Baptist Church. Every religion has its groups of corrupt followers who are lead by some maniac.
Ignorant people like you are the reason the world is as it is right now. Don't generalize a group of people because of the action of some others. Terrorist should all die and rot in hell, but saying that every Muslim person will "kill you" for cursing Allah is stupid. Saying that all Islamic people treat there women badly is equally stupid. I am a Christian, but I am plenty of Islamic friends. They do neither, and hate terrorists equally as much as I do. Go educate yourself and stop pretending to have figured out an entire group of people. Muslims and Christians only differences are their religious beliefs. Moronic people exist within the religions that make their whole group look bad. We have proven generalizing people time and time again is wrong and turns out costing many innocent lives. I am surprised to see that, yet again, America is too willing to make the same mistake. ( I am American)
You're asking me not to generalize, and yet you are. you have some muslim friends so all muslims are like your friends. Well guess what, I have muslim friends too, and all of my muslim friends think the same way; they try to justify Madrid or 9/11 attack, the killing of Jews, or how Islam is better than any other religion (reminds me of something on N4G).
it seems you get your knowledge of islam from fox news. Just as jandre said you are generalising. And this BS of muslim treating women like sh1t, tell my why then, islam the fastest growing religion in the world has women as 66.6% of its converts. In islam the prophet has said that mothers should be given three times more care then the father e.t.c.
You're a dumb ignorant fu<K, and everyone should contribute in taking all your bubbles away. You fu<king BABOON....AHHAHHAHHAHAAHHHHAHH A
If ALL Muslims were anti-American, pro terrorism then I would say fine, blow them all to hell. Let them burn there. But even if a small group of them are not, you have to do something MIND BLOWING. You actually have to treat individuals as INDIVIDUALS! (gasp!) That's right, give everyone the benefit of the doubt until they prove otherwise. You can keep your guard up, but to say all Muslims treat there women badly and will kill you at the drop of a dime is ignorant. Making generalizations like that, you are no different than your Muslim friends (or whatever). You are just a Christian version. Just as ignorant, just as useless to the world
You POS, tell your stupid friends to take my bubbles I don't give a Sh!t; I'll just create another account like nasim and others do. so Fùck you.
I wonder what people would think if some Arab created a game called Christian/Jew/Hindu Massacre. Something tells me the article wouldnt start with "It's a tough one."
you hit the nail on the head there.
Nope, it wouldn't be tough at all. Muslims talking about killing others is A-OK. Everyone thinks so. /sarcasm
youre exactly right
they have. Its called the middle east. Further more, you obviously didn't do the "Results 11 - 20 of about 32,900,000 for online Jesus game. (0.08 seconds)" google search i just did. People all over including Muslims love making fun of Christianity, the Jews, and Catholicism. How about you get off your usual high horse and step into the dark corners of reality where Islam is protected and the others are not.
Jeff, teasing a religion is fine, but this game takes it way to far. This game feels like genuine hate mongering, instead of a joke. And all those game made to make fun of Christians, most were probably made by Christians. And its obvious playing them that their jokes.
That is what sparks perpetuating issues. People have to understand something; and that is that even though SOME people would take these kinds of offenses lightly (even the religious people), you will always have those extremists that look at this as a personal attack on their belief(s). That is why anything religion is so touchy and has been one of the leading causes of so many wars. Because although some of us can take a little joke and brush it off, you'll always have those that live by it and will be more than willing to raise their swords high in the sky in the case of something like this. Look at what happened in Europe when a cartoonist released a cartoon drawing of Muhammad... trains got blown up and people lost their lives all because religious extremists are very devoted to what they believe and couldn't take a joke. I hate religion because of the mindset it imprints on the gullible. But to sit there and be ignorant about it and try to expose it so harshly is just completely stupid and asking for a violent reply. This game is stupid and should be banned. The term "freedom" is used so loosely these days... and I don't think that using that "freedom" should be used in any way to belittle or attack what someone else feels, thinks, or believes. That word "freedom" is seriously losing it's meaning in so many ways, and because of idiots like this moron who made the game, more and more of it is going to be slowly taken away as it has these past years.
People are justifying that it should not be banned because of Freedom of Speech, but citing religious hatred doesn't come into Freedom of Speech actually, for those who are interested so there is no legal basis for which an argument could be created to defend the game's existence. Morally, it's despicable. Yet people will STILL say it shouldn't be banned. I wonder why.
you do know a palastine made a game about shooting the jews! and guess what it sold It was based of a massacre that happened in a masque. A jewish fanatic walked into a masque and gunned dont 20 ppl with a uzi ADD ON: Muess im with ya but its still freedom of speech in my counrty. I dont agree with what this game stands for but im not the one with the money to back it....if i did have that money i wouldnt back this game and anyone that does would be on my no-buy from list.... thats a freedom i have
And in Palestine children blow themselves up in markets. And Israel's been caught using human shields. Seriously, are we going to start basing our standards or weigh up our sense of morality with a situation that we find in Israel/Palestine?
Let me guess, there was no furore and no calls for the game to be banned. It was defended under free speech, right?
what works really well is capitalism. People work for money. If you don't like a product/website/TV show, the simple way to make it disappear is to pay no attention to it. Don't go to that website, don't tell your friends, just let it sink into nothing. Just remember, every time a law gets made, the government gets a little bigger, your pocket gets smaller.
i agree with ya inciting hatred is not free speach....even if the KKK have been doing that for 100+ years
"I suppose it brings all the anti-free speech drones such as yourself out of the woodwork" You talk about anti free speach drones. Yet Crazy25000 was excercizing HIS free speech and you snapped at himfor it. :/ Should this game be banned. Probably not IMO Edit: Penipal you said "WOW at what a mindless sleaze you are " and that's exactly how you sound for calling people names for expressing their opinions
ive been on here for a while and ppl like him just makes it bad for everyone =/
thats the real point not the freedom to make a game but the morals you display with what you made
it was called Total War Roman Empire jk they didnt allow the feeding of christans to the lions
i would like this game to come out in Finland! They already made a cartoon that got ppl killed! Why not a video game
you kill arbic people in cod4, same goes with any number of games out there, should all those be banned too? This falls into free speech territory, I have the same opinion about the trade center game. Whether or not it's tasteful doesn't matter, you can't censor something just because it might be deemed offensive to people, other wise we'd ban or censor everything (books, movies, tv, games). You can boycott it if you like, avoid it, say you find that it's offensive but you can't ban it. Otherwise you're into fahrenheit 451(or w/e that book is called) territory. Those saying that this is religious hatred? I'm not sure what this has to do with religion, what difference does it make that we kill muslims in a game or we kill aribic people, or german nazis. Why does religion always get a free card, this isn't saying that muslims are pieces of trash and that we should go burn down masques and stone them to death (like their leaders say about us) all it is is killing muslims, it's no more offensive then christian games trying to get people to convert devil worshipers.
I would even go so far to put some moralistic doubts into CoD4 and all the others riding the wave of "fighting the terrorists" as a marketing instrument. Now, I do not demonize the people playing it, and I am pretty sure, nobody who plays it is an "arab killer" or what. What I would note, however, is that from someone with a different perspective (outside the US) this can easily be interpreted as the usual stereotype. And it does not really help to fight these perceptions. I am sure I won't make friends with this opinion, but that's what I think. Should that said game be banned ? Yes, I think so. Do we need laws to define the publishing of these things ? Absolutely. It works for porn, why not for violent content ? And, do I think its OK to release a arab racist game to kill jews ? No, absolutely not. And if humanity will ever progress, there at some point in the next couple of thousand years, there will hopefully be a global moral standard to handle those things. But doesn't mean the civilized part of the world needs to start last.
What morals? The game is about killing things, period. It doesn't matter what we kill there are no morals to this game, just like there are no morals attached to any other game where violence and bloodshed is the main purpose. People are getting upset because the name has "muslim" in it, but that's not morally reprehensible, the killing is to begin with. I think this game sucks, I think it's retarded and offensive, and it gets boring fast. But there's absolutely no difference between a game like this and a game like cod4 (other than the production values, story, gameplay). It's BS to think otherwise, just because you label your enemy as a terrorist, or muslim, jew, canadian, american, christan, nazi doesn't make killing any different, people should be morally outraged at the fact that we condone violence before we get "morally" outraged that the violence is being inflicted upon a specific group.
Is the actual game any good? Not the content or theme. I'm asking about the gameplay.
my friend told me about this game and out of curiosity i checked it out. gameplay wise, it's just you fighting of a horde of muslims, it gets boring. i'm tottaly against this sorta thing, whatever religion it is, sh!t like this should not stand, i find it dispicable that people make these games for religions, be it christianity, hinduism, judaisam whatever.
like zombies? new genre everyone, "Muslim Survival Horror" or, MSH. I hope my joke is taken and Meus doesn't come over on his high horse not getting it... :/
It seems like a pointless game that will only fuel the hatred of extremists to hate America even more. So yes, it should be banned. Just take out the word Muslim and replace it with any other religion or race and you will see that it should be banned. I don't agree with the principles of Islam, but that is no reason to make or even play a game where you get joy out of blowing them into guts. On the other hand, If every character you blow up in the game was Osama Bin Laden, then yes, the game could be satisfying.
I'm a Muslim and yes I'm offended :).
I am also offended by this it is not something funny it is just plain sick....