Is the home of videogames out of touch? Japanese developers feel they're falling behind Western counterparts. Why is it happening?
Cause the PS3 bombed, so games on the PS3 don't sell. So now all Japanese games are coming to XBOX 360 to actually get sales. And 360 has most of it's userbase outside of Japan.
Umm...OK. Perhaps I'm not following the numbers correctly here. Doesn't the PS3 routinely outsell the 360 in Japan at least 4 or 5:1? Apparently not all of those Japanese gamers have abandoned the PS3 as you'd like to believe. As far as Japan being behind the west, I won't disagree, but since I was raised on Japanese consoles, most of the games I play on both PS3 and 360 are from Japan. Hell, the only reason I bought a 360 was specifically FOR the Japanese exclusives like Blue Dragon and Ninja Gaiden 2. Of course there's a lot of great western games on 360, moreso than Japanese, I just don't have a lot of interest in them. As for PS3, Most of my favourite series, western ones included are on that system. Ratchet & Clank, Uncharted, Resistance, Jak & Daxter (coming at some point), Metal Gear Solid, Disgaea and many many more. My PS3 sees the bulk of my playtime and now that Disgaea 3 is out, I don't think I'll be firing up my 360 for a while. Well, maybe for some more Ninja Gaiden II. I never get enough of that series. Just some personal opinions, folks.
Seems to me that all the games that would be selling well in Japan, were bought out by MS. Now they don't sell at all because the 360 doesn't sell well in Japan. It seems to ME that the Japanese publishers over estimated the Xbox 360. They're user base doesn't seem to care much for the JRPGs.
OK I'm curious: What are people disagreeing with me for? I'm interested in details. Responses people.
Its the 360. The 360 suddenly turned up and forced people to play certain games with a lack in choice and publishers/developers to make specific types of games that Japanese generally don't play whilst the DS and Wii just made games fun and innocent again and the Japanese developers tried to compensate both Western and Jap gaming audiences and alienated their own homegrown fans because of trying to make games with a bigger budget than normal to keep western fans (see US) amused. Whist the 360 mainly has a big userbase in the US, its home country. Because of the popularity the sort of mindless games made for it and the forced engines upon developers to make games look good for a quick cash-in. This sort of stuff doesn't get in family homes.
"..mindless games.." Have you seen or played any 360 xbox live arcade games?
Yeah, they are almost just ports from older Platforms to the Xb360, so nothing special at all.
they are talking about the games that MS pushes. Ms seems to rely on other people for good ideas, while Sony seems to rely on their internal studios.
''Suddenly there were gamers and designers who hadn't grown up playing Street Fighter and watching Fist of the North Star. There were people who were watching Pulp Fiction and Menace II Society and who wanted games to reflect those narratives. Hence, GTA and Burnout killed Tekken and Ridge Racer.'' I am a Japanophile and grew up reading,watching and playing Fist of the North Star and Street Fighter. Like the Pringles ad says: Once you pop,you can't stop or something like that. Well, I'm staying with my good old japanese stuf while enjoying the new more 'western' stuff. Everyone's a winner. Anyway, I predict a Japanese comeback in a few years, because like he guy said, things are changing again because its no more watching Pulp Fiction or Menace II society but more like Naruto,Bleach and DBZ(It will never die) again. Fear not Japanophiles,we are alive and kicking.
Is that the flag with crap smeared on it? Wow
No sh-- tetsuhana, he was pointing out that there appears to be poop smeared on the flag. But this is really a shame, Japanese development was the most influential and used to have the best games. Games aren't the same without that same level of Japanese development quality that there was last gen. I'm bummed, because my favorite games are all old japanese games for Ps1, n64, ps2, and snes
It is because the east are making in general better games then the japoneses. Just look to games like CoD4,Bioshock,Mass Effect,Oblivion,GTA4 and etc.These games even in graphics are better then most western games. I Love FF from SE for exemple but since FF7 that does not come another big bomb,it is all about boring non stop fights,amazing horrible and long story and the only real good thing from then = the uber Full motion videos and the uber cool as hell(but 20 years old) FF musics. I'm getting sick of the same kind of game that they make and even Zelda/Mario from Nintendo are loosing their charm over the years. A new Elder Scroll,Fable or a Mass effect for ecemple are way much higher priority in my wish list then this FF13 from Square-Enix.The japoneses are geting ooideas for original cool games.Just look what the "brain" in the Nintendo did on the last few years and compare with what he did in the past.
MMo is the future and ond that matter the eastern is light years ahead from the japoneses. Making a few MMo s or a MMoRPGs would update their vision to what the market really wants. Four control pads conected in a Multiplayer offline VG is obsolete.
kidding, of course but am I ? Seriously, I miss them. I think they are too worried about that with no just cause. I remember when I heard kojima express that concern & I'm thinking... Dude I've been waiting for mgs4 since launch, what are you talking about? I'm from new York & I'm primarily a first person shooter & even I'm still interested in Japanese games. Especially the hentai.
Because, yes japan is not the center of the gaming world it used to be(IMO)! However right now japan taking over the comic business here in the west as Manga because more & more popular the western type comic like X-men here in the west by each day! It doesn't mean Japnaese devs are in trouble, It might just mean japan growing stronger in other fields & getting weaker in other(their businesses are changing!). I mean come on, Anyone remember when America use to be the top country in the Car business? Now.............not so much!
japan gaming is in trouble because western developers are making better games like fallout 3 or god of war.anyone here ever watch g4tv?japan gaming?most Japanese games consist of women in schoolgirl outfits getting attacked by tentacles. THAT'S WHY JAPAN GAMING IS IN TROUBLE. Most of their games seem like they were developed by a porn director.either make some good games or move to the porn industry.
In order to win back the japanese market, Japanese developers needs to focus on MOAR bishoujo games!! PS3 Tentacle Girl ACTION ACTION ACTION!!!
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Japanese developers have created: Mario, Zelda, Resident Evil, Castlevania, Dead Rising and many many other great games. Western developers have created: Rainbow six, Battlefield, Ghost Recon, HALO etc. To be honest I think western developers lack of creativity, it is only war war war on their minds, which is really boring. Pang pang, throw grenades is not funny anymore, maybe it was a little fun 10 years ago when it was new but now it is just ZzZzZz when you see those games.
I think all game devs lacks creativity on some levels. Like in most J-RPG's most of the heores in J-RPG's look more like girls then guys or even the girls in the game sometimes. Also most of J-RPG's tend to have same story thats about saving the world from some evil guy that looks like he just got done with his japanaes abercrombie finch makeover.(This is coming form A J-RPG fan)IMO I feel it's not just western devs that lack creativity! I thinks most devs do now a days, in one way or another!
The Japanese are still the best at fighting games.
I think it is a societal thing. Most Western gamers lean more towards freedom and competition. Most Eastern gamers lean more towards purpose and community. With that being said, I think the Japanese games market has over saturated itself and ceased to shock and awe people. Once things start becoming redundant they stop being fun. The West came in and reinvigorated the market, but I see the West succumbing to the same fate as the East within a year or two. I think gaming in general is having some serious growing pains at the moment. The price of innovation has increased tremendously not only in price but in risk as well. One bad game can sink a company. So we could end up seeing a "renaissance" some time soon or constantly be spoon feed recycled garbage until the industry destroys its self similar to the music industry.
Well, we are talking about a country where you can have games for 12 years and up that contain tentacles reaching into underage little girls panties and bras yet you can't have games like Dead Space with decapitations... Yeah, I would say they are a bit out of touch... Or are they? tentacles anybody?
I think that there are two big reasons Japan is lagging behind the west in game development: A) Money. There are many more Hollywood sized game studios in the USA with blockbuster budgets than Japan and that is what it takes to create a AAA game nowadays. B) The American educational system focuses more on creativity and english. The Japanese system focuses more on math and science.
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