The PS3 version of BioShock has a 5Gb mandatory install that takes a little over 10 minutes to complete.
well I have a 179GB left out of my 250GB HDD. Plus this game is worth it unlike DMC4 and GTA IV. Played this on my xbox 360, and love it, and will be getting it for the ps3.
Its well worth it if you want better graphics and faster loads ! ! ! Well at least Sony is showing us real use for the massive space ps3 has Unlike Microsoft who cant becuase they sell 360's that dont even have hard drives
without the benefit of a disc and it had amazing graphics,alot of people blast the 360 but atleast they never had this trouble i cant be the only ps3 owner unhappy at the size of these installs an having to wait 10mins before you even get to the start screen on a game that has already been out on dvd9 SEEMS A HARDRIVE IN EVERY CONSOLE IS SADLY ALLOWING DEVELOPERS TO CUT CORNERS, instead of learning the ps3 architecture properly 20&40g owners i feel for you,time to upgrade that harddrive
Smoke a spliff while you wait.
it sound as if DMC4 and GTA4 are extremely mediocre games in the same category as Haze or Too Human. Far from it, they may have been disappointing for some, but they were still very solid games with no major flaw.I had a great time playing both. And yes, if there is a drive, why not use it if it makes things better? When you install the 2gb chunk for Soul Calibur 4, it makes the game significantly better by reducing the load time enormously.
there is an easy solution to the 10 minute install... buy it 10 minutes earlier
i love when they use the HDD. i have never really noticed load times, pop in, etc on my ps3. im so happy all PS3s have HDD by default. i much rather have a install time in the beginning where i can go get a sandwhich and come back instead of interrupting in the middle of the game with load times or weird pop ins and tearing
Pros: Good story Good Graphics Trophie support Cons: Huge install Old tech - Has been out for the xbox360 about a year. No longevity because of lack of multiplayer or personal customization. I dunno if it's worth it for me with all the amazing games coming out, but imo the more games the marrier so even though I won't buy it im positive some others will.
because then there is going to be rumor that this isn't true. and then another one, and then another one.
If you plan on buying LittleBigPlanet like myself, continue to think about ideas and themes and visualize what kind of levels you're going to create once you get you hands on that game. Or even better for yourself, do some Perfect Pushups while you wait.
I really don't care. I'm buying it, playing it. Then when I am done with it, deleting it.
Doesn't sound as big as it would've if I was still on 60GB hdd, just upgraded to brand new Seagate 320GB yesterday. Now bring it on :D
regardless of what anybody says ps3 fan or not this is getting out of hand. theres no reason that we should have a 5gb install. not even metal gear solid took up that much and i know that its bigger than this game. Developers are getting to lazy they need to stop this sh**. Im still going to get the game but im tired of deleting stuff to make room. IF THIS DOESNT STOP SOON INSTALLS ARE GOING TO KEEP GETTING LARGER AND LARGER. (and no "upgrade your harddrive" is not the answer. if people spend $400 on a system they shouldn't have to upgrade there harddrive because of game installs.
you have to be one crazy fanboy to praise mandatory installs. who cares if you have infinite, it's still an inconvenience. and to the people bringing up 360 just as a side note to add your two cents about how much you think it sucks cuz it...umm...doesn't have install times. GROW UP! fine if you are excited about this game, fine if you don't mind the installs, but don't bring the 360 into this. and don't act like these installs are a GREAT thing either. they are just something you have to get used to on ps3 so there's no use complaining about it, but if you did complain, that would at least be justified. but not this undeserved praise. i played through this game on my 360 twice and i don't remember very many load times at all, and there was no 10 minute install. oh, and the developer said the games are about the same size and they didn't need a blu ray. so for the guys saying it's bigger cuz it's better looking...read the news releases again. all they did was improve some of the textures. that doesn't really take up extra space. they are just replacing one texture with another. I don't get the unjustified praise for something that, at best, is tolerable. Bioshock is a great game, and i know ps3 exclusive owners are gonna like it and will finally get a really good game on their system. but come on. don't make this into a which system is better topic.
mandatory installs are bad if they don't improve performance but if they improve performance then why the hell shouldn't you praise them? when i buy a ferrari i use all the gears. likewise when i want faster data retrieval i want a hard drive. dvd drives are freaking slow, noisy and unreliable and can't keep up with yesterdays computers let alone today's nextgen games consoles. i am praising installs, microsoft agrees with me because during e3 in july they think installs in the fall update will: speed up loading times reduce noise prolongue the life of my console (these are actual microsoft statements) microsoft believes in installs and i will install all my hard drive optimised games because i can and it does exactly what microsft believes it will do can your arcade or 20gig xbox premium install two full xbox games to take advantage of the benefits of install?? btw: these are exactly the same reason i spend 30 minutes installing all my ps2 games onto a hard disk using hdloader
I have a problem with installs that are 80% the size of the original game on 360. Might as well buy it off PSN. I didn't buy Siren because i didn't want to use so much space and I prefer the physical copy, but i might as well. If it wasn't for the extra downloadable stuff that then becomes part of your gamedata it wouldn't be such a problem, but if i delete it I have to re-download all the new stuff after just to play the game again.
i actually don't mind the installs. what's a few minutes eh?? if it'll improve the game's experience then by all means. this a good example of why we should all upgrade our ps3's hdd guys! it's so easy and it doesn't void our warranty. i live in toronto, and i got a seagate 320gb momentus 5400.5 for $95 at my local computer store! it took me like 6 minutes to replace my hdd. i bought a $20 enclosure from best buy to put my extra 60gb hdd to use it as an external hard drive for my crappy pc. now i have some extra room for all my por....................... word documents.
For all those who think the PS3 version will have better graphics id re-read, they stated quite earlier that they are simply trying to PAR with the 360 version... which is great! looked and was awesome! Of course though certain spots will look better on PS3 and then again on the 360 its always like that... Load faster probably but you really dont need it, doesnt take long to load in the first place, i do not understand why they need this...
thats like well over half the total size of the game! i know blue ray is slower to load things but this is rediculous! no im not bashing either because im gettin a ps3 soon, but i do find this kinda shocking, bioshock is an awesome though, sill one of my all time faves
Incorrect my friend, your whole post is ludicrous. To begin we'll start with Dev's cutting corners because of HDD. Wrong. Dev's don't cut corners because they're allowed HDD space, in fact that's beneficial to us as gamers that they do this. Where could you even possibly say they are cutting corners? lol - I actually did smile. Second, 10 minutes, who cares. By now this is so typical I honestly don't see the problem. Games WILL have installs, get used to it, I have. All I have to say is, at least our installs are beneficial unlike another console which I wont name. Anyways, stop your cryin, go back to playin CoD4 (or should I say PoS4.)
Finally getting a good game? I laugh in your face. MGS4 is one of the best games of all time, it spits in bioshock's mouth. Just MGS4 alone, I don't even need to bring up any other games.
Sucks to be a 40Gb PS3 owner with lots games.
just upgrade your HDD its real cheap
Just upgrade with one of these Seagate Momentus 250Gb http://www.provantage.com/s... It's just $64.80, basically the price of a PS3 game. I did that to my awesome Gun Metal PS3 and love it ;) PS: After you upgrade your HDD with a 250Gb (or more) drive you actually start looking forward for games with installers :-)
This s*cks! This is turning into a "standard" now. S*cks to be a 20GB or 40GB PS3 owner right now. Suddenly that bargain $400 you paid for it turned into a $500 purchase because you have to purchase a new hard drive and install it. Unfortunately, for me I own the 40GB MGS4 LE PS3.... I don't want to open it and install a new hard drive in it or pay extra $$$ for it. Hard drive installs should be optional, unless there is a cr*p load of space on it by standard! I don't care that I can upgrade it or not.... Sony sold me a device and if that is a requirement it should be included. I don't want to turn my PS3 in to a constant upgradeable PC.
@Idle. Stop your rant, already. What are you afraid of ? You still got 40G, no? Or are you telling me your drive is full already. You must have bought a ton of games, then, since the MGS LE bundle was sold since June, I guess. Me OTHO, I'm running out of space now on my 60G (10G Linux). But I have mine since about 2 years now, and I have a ton of PSN games on it, too. Obviously, this will happen sooner or later. I don't mind buying me a new HD. But I want to go with a huge one. I'll wait a bit more to get a 320G below $100, if possible. So ? Its an investment for the next 5 years or so, I'd guess.
99% of the time people disagree w/ you cause your WRONG. Everyone`s not crazy, swallow your EGO and look at it sensibly, instead of trying to act like it everyone else`s fault. Period.
It's replaced my Pc at home. I dug it out after not using it for 4 months so I could play spore. I do everything else, including posting on N4G from my PS3
The Artical you linked to “We believe that the PS3 will be the place where our users play games, watch films, browse the Web, and use other (home) computer functions,” said Harrison. “The PlayStation 3 is a computer. We do not need the PC.“ What you said "even sony wants the ps3 to be a constantly upgraded pc." So how exactly to you see that as Sony wanting you to upgrade like a PC from that? Cause that`s what you originally said...... Bullsh!t your way out of that one. Cause what I see is, them saying is the PS3 has many of the capabilities of PCs, which it does.
Your logic is flawed. Uncharted doesn't install on the harddrive and it has 0 load times and it looks better than ALL 360 games even Gears 2.
I disagreed with you because I have a laptop and a PS3, and I don't feel that a simple harddrive upgrade is so bad, it's optional and cheap and easy. If I needed to max out the PS3 and upgrade it's RAM, RSX chip, add a cell processor, AND the HD, THEN I'd say you have a point. How is a hard drive upgrade for a console system any different than WiFi not being built in and having to purchase a $100 wifi adaptor, or having to subscribe to online gaming? I'm no fanboy (I think the 360 is a good console), but your tunnel vision is making you look like one....it's called accessorizing, get used to it, it's gaming and it's technology. There, I'm not part of any "fanboy patrol", I disagreed, and explained in a civil, concise, effective manner why I did. Get over it, people aren't fanboys for not seeing eye to eye.
40GB owner here... And I'm with the crowd that doesn't want to install a new HDD. The 20GB (only 13 usable) Xbox360 I have sitting right next to it has about 5 GB's of space left open. But in Xbox games, that's going to be enough to last me for a long time (until they start requiring mandatory installs). Here I was thinking that the 40GB PS3 would last me even LONGER than the 20gb X360. But, I was wrong. I have 10GB left on my PS3 - most of those are game installs, but one movie as well. So, I really only have two game installs left to go before it gets tricky.
Delete install files of games you havent played in a while. 5gigs isnt too bad. 40GB, or say 35gigs after all your DLC = 7 games. You cant be playing 7 games all at once.
I'm not the only one who plays on it, and my game play type is that I play a game for 30 minutes, put it down, next hour play the next game... In one Sunday I could easily play 5 games, ya know? So deleting installs, only to have to wait to reinstall it in a week or two, would be annoying.
WTF. THIS ISN'T GAME NEWS ITS COMPLETE NONSENSE. Thats like me writing a damn blog and saying, "The Little Big Planet manual has a WHOPPING 60 pages to read. Better get your glasses, you'll be reading more then playing for this game."
I don't see people complaining about Trophy stories. Same thing, really.
see them complaining about a news article about some guys baby either
I really feel sorry for the 20GB owners. Do yourselves a favor and upgrade the HDD.
True. I did. I got a Western Digital 250gb for around 64.00 as well. The poster earlier up who got the Seagate Momentus... i feel bad for you. You should've read the reviews. This WD on pricewatch is as fast as 7200 rpm drives.
The only problem there is you have to use another PS3 to transfer the stuff to your new harddrive. I'm on a college campus in Alabama...where they only have 360's...due to the lack of knowledge in the gaming world.
"The only problem there is you have to use another PS3 to transfer the stuff to your new harddrive." Alllllllrightythen... I've done hard-drive swaps on multiple PS3's now (60GB, two 80GB's, and quite a few 40GB's), and I have never used another PS3 to transfer the data... I have a good 'ol USB hard drive (formatted in FAT32) that works wonders. Honestly, you can use any USB storage device that has the capacity to hold the amount of data on your PS3 hard drive. I was able to get away with using a 2GB USB flash drive on one of my buddy's 40GB PS3's. The only thing he had on the hard drive was a few game saves.
I dunno if I will play this game right away, its coming out at a bad time, But the game does look very awesome.
Crap i have only about 39gb left. Oh well this game is so worth it.
Xbox 360 is limited PS3 is not PS3 has the option of having betetr load times than 360. 360 doesnt becuase MS made a mistake by not included a hard drive in all 360's
we 360 owners are happy with that...we wait tilll the update comes out and we an chose to put the full game too the hdd.....keyword "chose" edit thanks for the spell check"useless"
Keyword - "choose"
The spell check is fine. It can only function as well as the troglodyte using it. It isn't a grammar for idiots tool though. And there isn't any choice as a 360 owner when you can pick either filling the remaining part of a new 20GB drive with a mere two games or pay a ridiculous exorbitant price for a 120GB proprietary hunk of crap drive. Choice in a HDD is what the PS3 provides.
This game comes out the same day as Little big planet. PS3 owners are going to pass on Bioshock in record numbers, plus people who wanted to play it already did on Xbox 360. Bioshock might sale 2,000 copys in the first week then it will go down hill after that.
With The 150g thats left from my 250g HDD
If you did that on a xBox 360 it would RRoD before it got done!!! ;-D What was the Magic Number M$ keeps hiding from everyone... 68%!!! ;-D
"The spell check is fine. It can only function as well as the troglodyte using it." lol nice.
But of course 360 fanboys will deny it so...
If people are talking about waiting for downloadable movies to sputter along, I think I can wait 10 min for a game to run smoothly.
Its the End of the F(*&^%$ world as we know it....... so what all XBOX 2 ports need installs.. what else is new?
5gb... isn't that almost the entire game? It sure will load fast and will be whisper quiet
as I say before... people should include a 200GB+ hard drive in the total cost of the PS3 since what the PS3 comes with fills up very quickly... I mean don't people always add a bunch of unnecessary stuff like wireless adapter when trying to undermine the xbox 360 price advantage?
Why? You can delete the data from the hard drive when you're finished with the game, so why try and spin it? The PS3 has a HDD as default, the 360 doesn't have wireless. Do you see how silly your comment was?
MGS4... Uncharted.. Motorstorm.. Ratchet.. UT3.. DMC.. GT5p.. heavenly Sword.. Bioshock.. You would have enough space on your HDD still. I understand why Xbox owners are so concerned over HDD because they don't have the option of swapping with any and not voiding warranties, but honestly.. its ok. Most people will read a manual and know you can swap, and you can uninstall after you beat the game. Or, wait until your HDD is full.. and just swap it with 120gb for $60.00. You cant factor in HDD considering its not mandatory to play games. Unlike if you bought Burnout for the core 360, you have to have one to play online. Wireless technology is standard on the PS3 because its a popular feature for most electronics these days, it has little to nothing to do with gaming more so than not wanting a clutter of wires in your living room.
....nobody has DMC4 or Ut3 installed anymore.. get over it.
Sure bladestar let's factor it in. I bought a Western Digital 250 gb drive for $64.00 You will pay what? $199 for your 120 for the 360? hmmm... guess the ps3 is still a better deal.
delete some of your PSN games, when you finish Bioshock, download them again. it's simple really
I mean, I have a 20 gig. It's filled with Oblivion, DMC4, GTAIV, and some smaller games. I can't fit anything else on it...no music, videos, etc. These mandatory installs will go straight onto an external harddrive though. Also, you can only redownload PSN games 5 times, dude. I lose count.
You can download the games to five activated machines, but you have unlimited downloads per machine.
"people should include a 200GB+ hard drive in the total cost of the PS3" And people should factor in cost of Live to 360's cost. So if you own a 360 for six years with Live subscription, you pay about 300$ just to play online. Lol so at the end of its generation, you'd have actually paid for two consoles to Microsoft, and owned just one :( See, I can spin stuff too.
How quickly do you think the 20GB 360 owners HDD will fill up, when 360 games start getting HUGE installs due to DVD. $180 later (which is the price of the ARCADE BTW)
Arcade owners need not participate
No. They dont. Because the Arcade has a DVD, which is able to play BioShock without needing a HD-install. On the other hand, PS3 owners *must* do an install to get over the slow through-put rates of BluRay. I think you've just TOTALLY missed the point. You == EPIC fail.