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Microsoft Pulls Down Nintendo 64 Emulator from XB One Store

Nintendo 64 Emulator app called Win64e10, which let users play classic Nintendo 64 titles on Xbox One, has now been taken down by Microsoft.

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ninsigma658d ago

I didn't think this would last.

LordMaim658d ago

No kidding. This shouldn't have surprised anyone.

BullyMangler658d ago (Edited 657d ago )

Years and years, gamers excited for N64 emmulations!

Besides the original NES, the N64 seems to be (THE ) consoLe of most desire, for emulation .. .

not the ps1

not the 360

but the .. .

Nintendo

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Kombatologist658d ago

@bullymangLer

Not sure if I'm misunderstanding your question, but PS1 emulation is actually further along than N64 emulation. Mednafen trumps even ePSXe.

Red_Renegade658d ago (Edited 658d ago )

i think he was trying to troll, meaning nobody wants to emulate the ps1. more likely cuz there are so many ways to play ps1 games already. 100 million ps1s, 150 million ps2s, millions of ps3s, psps, and vitas.

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XanderZane658d ago

@bruce755
You just have to troll, don't you. lol!! I don't need a N64 or PS1 emulator as I still have the systems and games to plays them on. My cousin had an arcade emulator system built into a arcade cabinet. It had over 300 arcade classic games. That was the only emulator that impressed me as there were arcade games like Tempest (with the wheel), Matmania, Track & Field, Millipede, Deluxe Asteroid, Star Wars, Bagman, Dig Dug, Tapper and Mappy. I was in heaven. Unfortunately he had to move and sold the unit on Craig's List.

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Master of Unlocking658d ago

Take a look at the hate some people like me received in previous threads when we tried to warn them this was coming, you'll understand this actually comes to a surprise to many.
All right, here's a nice song to try and ease the pain (and with a little bit of luck I won't get 20+ disagrees again just for stating the obvious):
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

EnigmaSG1657d ago

People want N64 emulation so bad like Dolphin, only so they can boost the games higher than the average of 15fps that plagued the OG system. ;)

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DragonbornZ658d ago

I think the other emulator is working with some kind of "loophole".
If the creator of this one is as adamant about having it on the store as the other one it'll probably be back up later.

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ccgr658d ago

Surprised it lasted as long as it did

TheCommentator658d ago

The app was pulled because it violated MS terms of service. When Nesbox was pulled, it was cited specifically by MS that the emulator qualified as a game, not an app. MS said it would need to have been submitted to [email protected] for approval. I assume it is the same here, but who knows. I still don't see what the big deal is when you can legally obtain emulators anywhere else.

Also, the article appeared to be suggesting that the emulator came with games? If that's the case, then the guy who made it is in some serious trouble with Nintendo as well.

XanderZane658d ago

Microsoft took down the first NES emulator, so this was no surprise. This emulator seems very buggy anyways. Why anyone would pay $10 for it is beyond me.

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Princess_Pilfer658d ago

I'm surprised

That anyone actually paid for an emulator. Seriously, a decent smart phone and a controller (or a cracked PSVita, or a PC) will let you emulate the N64 for free.

UCForce658d ago

Well, Nintendo would sue Microsoft that for sure.

zeal0us658d ago

Nope they can't because emulators are legal.

DragonDDark658d ago (Edited 658d ago )

The ROM is illegal though. Unless he owns it

LexHazard79658d ago

They cant sue MS but they can definitely go after your Internet provider. And you provider would then send you an email to stop infringement

4Sh0w658d ago (Edited 658d ago )

Nope, this has been going on with pc forever, they wouldn't win, Microsoft created the Xbox One to run licensed games & Win10....it's a platform. They didn't make this emulator, but they pulled it down so they won't be accused of encouraging this behavior. Not to be overdramatic but it's sort of like accusing a car maker of misconduct because someone chose to drink and drive.

*Note: Microsoft has pulled other emulators before this one.

rainslacker658d ago (Edited 658d ago )

@4Show

On PC, who do you sue?

On a closed system however, Nintendo could sue, or put pressure on MS, because they are enabling a program which can be used for piracy.

All legal loopholes aside, it's not as black and white as some people make it.

MS likely would have taken this down anyhow, as I doubt they gain much from it, and they probably don't want the legal quagmire it could become. Even if they were sued, and managed to win in court and keep selling the emulator, it's a costly endevour to pay lawyers for such purposes, and I doubt they see much revenue from the emulator itself, and I doubt the existence of the emulator makes a strong selling point for the console itself. Not to mention it opens the doors for emulators of their own software to be put up on other systems as well, so it's more of a thing that was likely a mutual consideration.

MS doesn't support piracy anymore than the other console makers do, so they will be more prone to protecting the interest of the industry in general. On top of that, they wouldn't want the publisher pressure to not enable such things on a system where they can directly control such things, because those publishers may very well have an interest in not allowing those old ROM's be played on that system for some reason....say they want to release those games on the store like they do with the Virtual Console on the WiiU.

What it comes down to is that MS can decide if it will sell a certain product on it's store. They control the store, and they aren't obligated to support this emulator, or any other. The longer they do such things, the more problems it's going to cause for them, and to me, it isn't in their best interest just so people can have some bragging rights, or they can gain some marginal advantage that an emulator may bring to their system.

4Sh0w658d ago (Edited 658d ago )

Who do you sue?

Uhm Well I think if Nintendo actually cared about these emulators after a bit of research they'd track down the makers of the emulator and sue them/shut them down...not likely they have much to sue for. Again Microsoft simply owns the vehicle for which some have misused, rarely has any lawsuit ever been creditable when you are suing someone for damages who isnt the one who purposely caused the damage, tech company occasionaly are sued for breach of security only because they have a inherent responsibilty to protect privacy of their consumers. In this case this data is old games already publically available. Which is why I think any law suit against Microsoft would fail, especially given Microsoft response in taking them down...and would be very costly for the other side as well. You see the law doesn't have the view that you can't create something for a lawful purpose just because someone might exploit it for another purpose. NO, the law says go after the wrong dooer.

Other than that your post is pretty much is a longer post that is saying the same thing I said briefly.

rainslacker658d ago

@4Show

Not saying you're wrong or anything, because honestly, it is kind of a legal quagmire.

But that quagmire is why MS could just not deal with it. The Xbox division itself has an interest to many publishers who may feel they could have negative effects based on an emulator. At the same time, it could open the doors for any other company to simply allow an emulator on their own console, thus MS is in a position to have to try and explain why it's OK for them to do it, while they decry it on another system.

The quagmire alone may not even be worth MS trying to defend either, just from a monetary stand point.

What it boils down to, is that it's really not that financially beneficial for MS to support this emulator. Even looking at it from a ROM's perspective, they can potentially lose money on a sale from their store for older games that may be released on it, because people would more likely purchase an official release if they don't own an emulator, or have the ROMs to play it on the system. Of course, this is how companies think, not what may happen in actual practice, but the years have shown it's about the publisher perception of piracy on which they make their policies.

XanderZane658d ago (Edited 658d ago )

Yes,emulators are LEGAL and the game ROMS are NOT LEGAL. Unless you already own the game and can prove it. The emulator doesn't come with any ROMS. He download the ROMS on his PC to his OneDrive. They can't sue M$, but they can sue the guy who downloaded ROMS.

4Sh0w658d ago (Edited 658d ago )

@rainslacker, I think there is a misunderstanding here, read what I said carefully.

lol, I don't get it I am saying exactly the same thing, the only thing I questioned is that I don't believe Nintendo could win such a lawsuit against Microsoft. Again but I'm not saying Microsoft should leave it up or risk any kind of disagreement with Nintendo just because legally they have not broken the law. Sometimes it's better to just play it safe, so again I'm stressing I never said it was worthwhile or anything, I simply disputed the legality of suing the platform manufacturer instead of the creator of the emulator= not sure what you're even disagreeing with me about???...but yeah again Microsoft played it smart and took it down, nothing else here to see.

rainslacker657d ago

@4Show

In that case, I guess I agree with you.:)

I just tend to be wordy.

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mhunterjr658d ago (Edited 658d ago )

Sue who? It's not the emulator that is illegal. It's the distribution of ROMs that is illegal.

There are several emulators in the Win10 store (including this one) that have been there for a while.

Any company that has tried to sue to stop the distribution of an emulator has failed in court.

Red_Renegade658d ago

but it would prolly be different when it comes to video game consoles, don't you think?

mhunterjr658d ago

@red_renegade

The law is the law. It doesn't change depending on if a device is classified a PC or console.

MS probably took the app down due to public perception and the ramifications of setting a standard of emulating rival hardware... Not because they feared getting sued.

Red_Renegade658d ago

i don't think the law had consoles in mind. they're direct competitors, after all.

mhunterjr657d ago

@red_renegade

Until there is a law that does have consoles in mind, there are no grounds to sue.

As it stands, it isn't illegal to distribute emulators. Period.

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EnigmaSG1658d ago

People are forgetting one thing when making, 'but it is on the PC' comparisons.

Consoles are a closed licensed platform. It puts it in a whole different ballpark when it comes to things such as this, 'emulator's being legal' or not. Microsoft understands this, thus the action they took.

The PC does not have regional 'licensing', and hopefully it stays that way.

nitus10657d ago

You are quite right the PC does not have regional licensing, however if you have a Microsoft operating system you have effectively agreed to a form of regional licensing.

When you start your Microsoft operating system for the first time you have to agree to the End User License Agreement (EULA) which in the case of pretty much everyone is never read but agreed to anyway.

At this stage, I will let the reader do some homework. In your favourite search engine type the following "windows 10 privacy concerns" (you can be more creative if you wish). If you are using Google as your search engine you are going to get over 3 million hits although the first page of listings is enough to question what you have said.

From a personal perspective, my PC does not have any regional licensing since I don't run a Microsoft operating system. Can you honestly say the same when you are running your PC with a Microsoft operating system?

EnigmaSG1657d ago

Agreed Nitus10, but you know what I meant. ;)