Microsoft's annualised racing series returns for another festival of speed.
The forza horizon series is the only racing series that I buy. Found that the second one got a bit boring towards the end of the campaign mode. But loving the new demo. No way this game deserves a 2/5.
Well I saw another review give it 10/10, so goes to show you can’t please everyone all of the time. This game can’t seriously be a 4/10.
Not a chance. The graphics are excellent and I used to live just outside surfers so it'll be interesting to see. @septic you just had to put in that childish comment didn't you.
Yeah the graphics seem an improvement over last year’s version.
2/5 doesn't really mean 4/10. Sure, mathematically it does, but these are arbitrary numbers applied to rating games. There's no real metric and not much, actual logic put into it. It's just a feeling you get. Like for instance, it'd be impossible to seriously rate a game as a 8.192048/10. Really? You've got a whole algorithm to figuring out how you feel about a game? The 5 star rating system has a lot more "nuance" to it. The part that sucks about it is that Metacritic treats a 2/5 rating like it would a 4/10. A 1/5 could be anywhere from 1 to 4/10. It's pretty much a game to avoid. A 2/5 could be anywhere from a 5 to a 6.5/10, 3/5 is a 7 to 8, 4 is an 8.5 9 to 9.5, and 5 is a 10. That's how I look at it anyway, based on how reviewers actually feel about a game based on what they say and you can kind of see the similarities to how other things, rated with a 5 star rating, should feel like as products or services. I've eaten at restaurants with 2/5 stars that weren't terrible, like a 4/10 would be, it just wasn't too good. So I guess another way to look at it is, 1 is anywhere from terrible to bad, 2 is meh to alright, 3 is good, 4 is great, and 5 is amazing. It would just be better if reviewers stopped using 5 star systems so Metacritic will stop counting things wrong, though, since the people or systems at Metacritic don't take nuance into the mix. But I don't think reviewers are gonna do that, 5 star rating systems fit their thought processes more, I presume.
At least there are no petitions here 😂
As noted below, 2/5 is not equal to 4/10. It's more realistically a 6/10. I tend to look at them similar to grades. 5/5 10/10 = A 4/5 9/10 = B 3/5 8/10 = C 2/5 7/10 = D 1/5 6/10 and lower = F There's really not much point of grading games between 0 and 5 or 6 out of 10.
I prefer the old "at the movies" scoring system, thumbs up or thumbs down. Sadly, metacritic would give a lot of zeros for below average games and 100s to games above average games that don't deserve either. Metacritic has such pull right now that if you are not conforming to their scoring structure, you are not necessarily being represented accurately. Either that or, you know, actually read reviews from reviewers you respect. Its the meat of the review, not the score, that matters, but many don't go beyond the metascore.
@dumahim 2/5 is 4/10. 3/5 is 6/10, 2.5/5 is 5/10. no way to make 2/5 sound any better. The flaw in your scoring is that you equate 7/10 as being a D. I know that the value of the score has no standard whatsoever and means something different to each person, but I'm still holding on to that being a C. There are ton's of gems in the 7/10 range. This is one reviewer that gave it a poor score that it clearly doesn't deserve. it will be vastly overshadowed by other reviews which are clearly stronger. It's OK. I have a real problem with reviewers that compare a game to its predecessors. Nostalgia should not come into play as you are biased from the start one way or another. Review as if this is a brand new IP and or first game you've played in the series and sites will be much more respected for it in the long run.
I don't understand how it got 4. Almost every site is giving 9 or above. 8 or 7, i understand but 4 is like really looking for attention.
check his metacritic history lots of 2/5s
Smh. 2/5....trash click bait site. This is why I can't stand gaming journalists anymore. The lies for clicks.
I'm a sony fan, but even I can see that score is divorced from reality.
Did you read the review? He said the graphics and amount of things is better than the other ones, but they spent too much time adding random features and making the game too easy and full of rewards, they didn't improve on the fundamentals with driving. He used DiRT as an example. The latest DiRT game is amazing. Not because they added ultimately meaningless features, but because they made the driving better than its ever been. The challenge is real. He praised a lot about the game, but it let him down because they didn't make the game more about driving. I understand where he's coming from entirely.
@yeahokwhatever Are you the reviewer? You seem to be going out of your way to justify the score. Don't know why you keep comparing this to Dirt. The games are two entirely different takes on racing. Dirt went for more realism with its handling in the recent version. Where Horizon has always been the arcade version of Forza. I'm going to score COD lower because it's not Halo. Get out of here!
But hey there is no bias right? LOL
Yeah, 2/5 is ridiculous, and I was confused by his condescension towards just about every feature that goes beyond just racing. Then, to top it all off, he says he's not a fan of having to drive precisely through checkpoints all the time. So he doesn't like ancilliary stuff to micro-manage and wants more racing and sim, but doesn't want to be bothered with "strict rules" regarding checkpoints? IMO, it sounds like this guy just hates on one brand of consoles and wants to drop metacritic reviews while trying to sound professional. Either that or he's brain dead, and here's why. Contrary to his opinion, everybody I know who's played the demo is in love with it. What about drone mode, wide body kits, FH auction house debut, many new activities, more geographic diversity, new vehicle types, double the size of FH2, amazing visuals... I don't recall the author mentioning any of these things at all. Matter of fact, he said it seemed like Playground was bored with making FH and didn't seem to care anymore. FH1, FH2, and now FH3 are about an experience, not just being a racing sim. It can be toned down to arcade for beginners or made as hard as many sims depending on preference (also not really mentioned by the author). This guy is a serious douche, period. I'd give his review a 2/5 and the game at least a 4/5.
Agreed, having played the demo... There's no way this game deserves a score this low. The graphics are freaking stunning (aside from some shadowing, but that's to be expected of any open game while moving at faster speeds.) I can't quite speak on the content of the game, as I only played the demo. However, if it's just more of what I played, I'm all for it.
Don't AAA demos hardly resemble the "finished" product these days?
They clearly gave this game a low score to for click bait.
Well that's a trolling score. There's a reason I don't go to this site. EDIT: Of course I meant IBTimes.com, not N4G. The experience on N4G is largely subjective.
You mean N4G? You're right! I just don't know anywhere else that collates gaming articles, so I have to use this.
I share your pain :^|
Yet you made a user name and bother to comment because you don't know where else to go.
It's a shame really. Would go to any other site that did what N4g (not for gamers) does.
Go to EGM, there site is always up to date on the newest gameing news. 😂/s
N4G, where every other article is someone "worried" about a video game instead of anything meaningful, a "here's why" telling you how you should think or my personal favorite, a list where "you won't believe number 5". Gaming "journalism" at it's finest, lol.
And you will continue to come here every day and bitch about how much of a troll/ ps4 site n4g.com is. Got news for you, you don't have to subject yourself to these forums
Come here every day and bitch? My last post was like 200+ days ago, lol. PS4 site? But I have a PS4 and love it, I also have a One. I just play games here and there, I don't concern myself with console wars, I can afford them both I'm not a basement dwelling creature. Things slip through the cracks, it's a submission based site. It's not a big deal, we're just poking fun at some of the nonsense that does seem to get published a lot. It's great for getting an abundance of headlines and news quickly, that's why I support the site overall. I don't have all day to weed through articles, N4G does it for us. Lighten up.
There is always one or two of these troll reviews. Still, with this score added to metacritic, it is currently still at 90. Just amazing and congrats to Playground games and Turn-10.
It's actually a well-formed opinion. Read the article before jumping to conclusions.
I read it. Its a troll review.
Well informed? To begin with it is only a 10 paragraph review. The review seems to focus on the fact that the FH3 is not a full-on 2,000 hour knock'em out grind'em out racer devoid of entertainment like some other racers such as DiRT Rally. It also slags FH3 for being too difficult as an arcade racer and too nice as a racing simulator, which is something that is the Forza Horizon series is known for and applauded for. It goes on to knock FH3 on having collectibles that give you cool stuff. This is simply a poor review. It does not talk about the vast selection of cars, it only makes small mention of graphics, it makes no mention of the racing environment in Australlia, it makes no mention of weather, no mention of night racing, and no assessment of Multiplayer and social features. Simply put the review chose to mock the game on a few of its core design principles.
good lord, NeoGamer. I said well-formed, not well informed. At any rate, just because you don't reach the same conclusion as someone else it doesn't necessarily mean their conclusion isn't properly thought out. Personally, having only played the first FH game, and having played DiRT Rally, I can see already where he's coming from. And while I don't doubt FH3 has a plethora of improvements over its predecessors, if his assessment is correct that they put the improvements in the wrong place, I would reach the same conclusion as him. Having seen gameplay videos of FH3 in motion, other reviews(more positive), I would agree with his review. Racing games for me are about the challenge of pushing yourself and your car further to stay competitive. When you're over-rewarded early on, it removes the competitiveness from the game entirely. That's not my cup of tea.
Yeah you're definitely the reviewer. Or at least one of his fans... AKA 50% of his fanbase. Or hell maybe you even like pretending to be your own fan
EmperorDylek, 1. I've never even visited the site before this review. 2. I didn't bother looking up the reviewer's name, but as far as I know, I'm not a fan of any reviewers. 3. You'd make a shitty detective. If you're capable, now this might be hard, as it might require you to re-take the 3rd grade, but what we're looking for here, is reading comprehension. You know, where you read words in a language, and then based on the meaning of the words, can comprehend what the idea was in the set of ideas expressed by said words. If you look carefully(maybe with the help of mom or dad), you'll see qualifiers in my assessment of the review, such as "if". Which means I my opinion is valid as long as what the author and other reviewers said is true. I have not played FH3 for myself, though might at some point if there's nothing better to play and the bargain bin is calling my name. @neogamer, The things you listed are features that would be described on the back of the box. I don't need a reviewer to tell me that night time is dark. I would expect a reviewer to point out MINOR features only in the event that they were spectacularly terrible, or spectacularly awful. If they are as described on the box art, it really isn't worth my time to read in a review. This is 2016. The fact that you think Forza as a series needs to brag about basic features (like weather) that have been in dozens of racing games since the 90's doesn't really speak well for Forza. In a review, I'm looking for reasons why a game wouldn't live up to my expectations, or reasons it would possibly surpass them. Everything I've read about Horizon 3 (mostly from really positive reviews) makes me believe I would not enjoy the game for more than a couple of days.
No it is not a well-formed opinion. When you are reviewing an arcade racer as a racing simulation game then you are totally approaching the game from the WRONG point of view.
Boy Oh Boy Oh Boy Oh Boy! What tha hell happened? Can someone confirm if this review is Click Bait material or not? I dont want to give them a click honestly.
100% pure clickbait. I've been playing this game for as long as the reviewer has too, and this game is not a 2/5 game. His reasons for the low score make no sense either.
Its sitting 90 on Meta, what do you think?
91 now. I told epic it could increase from 90 and thats what happened.
@andresegr The score maybe (since we cant get into his head) but the opinion is not. He says he thinks developer focused on trying to keep the franchise "fresh" by offering a lot of extras and awards to keep gamer invested, but in doing so failed to focus on the driving and missed the mark by being not enough simulator and not enough arcady. Meaning he thought it was too easy for those wanting a real racer, and too hard for those wanting more feel good arcade racer. Its a legit opinion, but the score we will never know if he actually disliked the game that much or if its for the clicks.
It's their opinion, but when you read the review, I feel it's a valid conclusion, but not the conclusion everyone will arrive to. Basically, to sum it up, everything but the driving is better than previous installments, which is a major letdown after DiRT recently made the basics of driving so much more fun for that series. It was a giant stride for driving challenge. FH3 is simply too easy, arcade-y, and overabundant in hand holding and showering the user with unearned bonuses too early in the game, making the path to completion almost pointless. If your enjoyment of racing fast, pretty cars from the get-go means more to you than earning your way to the top, this game will be great. If you need that challenge that never lets up, play something else. @ravenor Get to eating. The review really didn't express a desire to make FH3 a sim. My takeaway is that they put all of their efforts into frosting, they didn't bother to bake the cake. Which is strictly a taste thing. Some people(seemingly most reviewers) prefer an abundance of frosting to somewhat soggy and under-cooked cake. My taste, and apparently the taste of the writer for this review, is that in a racing game, we prefer perfectly prepared cake with just enough frosting to not get bored. For instance, I LOVE burnout paradise. Is that a sim? No. So who is wrong? Nobody. They are opinions. DiRT spent all their time making the races rewarding due to overcoming challenges. FH3 spent all their time making the game big and full of frosting(too many rewards, too big of rewards too early, etc.).
If you aren't the author I will eat my arm. In other news if the author can't tell the Horizon series has more in common with Need for Speed than Forza Motorsport...you should probably stop reviewing games. Horizon has never even flirted with "simulation", that game is a joke compared to PCars, iRacing, Asseto Corsa or GT6. The issue with the review is entirely how the author insists on pitting the game against games it doesn't compete with. Its a fun racing game closer to a Need For Speed or Test Drive Unlimited. Not a SIM.
Wow that's low
Can't do much different in 2 years, I do feel they just release the same game with a different location every 2 years.
Lol clueless will stay clueless
You played it? @yeahokwhatever Yes. What's your point?
you read the review?
I can't believe that a british news outlet is trying to sabotage another british companys success. and for what? for a few clicks? everyone who has played the demo knows this game will be awesome even if it's a lot like FH2. FH2 was so awesome that more of FH2 but in a different country is exactly what we want!
Well if we learned anything this year it's that 50% of people in the UK are stupid, so believe it.
Lol...Im sorry but was a funny comment.
ABSOLUTELY AGREE. Almost 50% of people wanted to STAY in the EU, an unelected bureaucracy making their opinions and future for them. Awful. Shameful.
Pssh the referendum proved that lots of people are ignorant and some are racists, that's it. There was no right or wrong answer!
48% isn't 50%. Nearly, but thankfully the majority voted to get out of the failing EU. But yeah, those 48% are pretty stupid. Hopefully the 48% will learn percentages.
You see what happens when these non gaming tabloids participate in Metacritic or reviews in general? You get these "4/10" that completely disregard a consensus and just look wrong on that aggregated list. Regardless Horizon 3 looks supreme. Buying it for sure.
In fairness, there are plenty of actual gaming news outlets that are just as trash as this non gaming one so I don't think it's fair to throw ALL non gaming outlets in the same boat because I'm sure there are some out there that actually do a good job.
Currently at a 90 on Metacritic after 35 reviews. This one is the clear outlier. Joke of a review.
Just got "The Ordered". I liked FH2, but to be honest the announcer was gorrible and the game lacked soul. Id give FH3 a go if I didnt plan on putting my bone towards psvr. I had more fun with the last NFS.
"I had more fun with the last nfs" Doubt anyone will take you serious or believe anything you say lol
I actually really liked NFS 2016. I enjoyed the driving much more, which I know is subjective. I also enjoyed the customization way more than in FH2. For me it had a fun factor that FH2 lacked.
That's sadly the problem with Forza Horizon games in general. The cheesy character targeting American teens.
Lolll cheesy character? Care to name which one?
@epic The character of the game, the whole presentation with cheesy commentators and this festival thing.
I haven't played FH3 yet, but what has been the issue with Horizon games in general? What cheesy character in FH1 or 2? The purple wristband? What about Horizon screams "American teens"? As a non American North American I'm curious. What's wrong with festivals? The radio commentary has never been great but FH1/2 had phenomenal soundtracks and really enjoyable open worlds. I can understand being kinda tired of the semi annualized MS franchises, Forza in particular. But for someone who speaks highly of Driveclub this reeks of poor criticism.
To me FH2 screamed of euro-hipster millennial. NFS 2016 was more american douche millennial. Although far from a millennial...I gues I identify with douches more than hipsters as I could stomach NFS, but wanted to hurambe my eardrums out whenever the FH2 guy called me "mate".
Meanwhile the game is getting very high scores everywhere else, right here on N4G there are several 9.5 and 10 scores (95-100). This website is just trolling for clicks, nothing more. Just don't click on it and move on.
Huge outlier it's not even funny. The difference between this and everyone else is scary. 91 on meta now, had a feeling this would be a big game!
Lets report this review on Meta, can we?