AMD Identifies Project Scorpio as One of its "Design Wins," Is in Support of Microsoft's Goals

During AMD’s Quarterly Financial Conference Call, CEO Lisa Su talked about Microsoft’s Project Scorpio and Xbox One S, identifying Scorpio as one of the semi-custom “design wins” that Su herself mentioned back in April.

[christocolus]

AMD must be really impressed with what they've built..the tech must be good. I just hope MS keeps carrying top devs along the entire development process of this console. I've already started saving up for the console.

[Sparta07]

" AMD must be really impressed with what they've built... the tech must be good"
Well it is there tech so yes they going to say the best thing ever. Once neo is anounce they will say the same thing.

@bigpap, thought power doesn't matter to you? Wonder why it matters now.

[VaporCell]

To me Sony's strategy is for the Neo to be cheap and have just enough power to handle most games with eye candy @ the 1080p res til 4K picks up. Meanwhile the scorpio seems to be overkill for 1080p, and a little short for 4K. Sony will release a proper 4K machine in 3-4 years

[NewMonday]

" Scorpio seems to be overkill for 1080p, and a little short for 4K"

exactly! no mans land, another poorly planed console by MS

[vega275]

@ Newmonday

"Scorpio is a year away from Neo, will be more expensive and with no exclusives,"

First Sony hasn't announced neo yet and the longer they take to do so, the less that year release becomes.

Sony's not going to release the neo this year. Unless they risk eating potential sales of their PSVR which is coming out in October. E3 would have been a better time to announce the Neo instead of just springing it on gamers.

You have to remember not all gamers come to this site or any other for that matter. So they know very little about its existence.

Announcing the neo in September to launch it in November would kill sales for either the neo or VR headset

[jznrpg]

They are impressed by whoever buys their products. As a trader of AMD stock for many years on both sides , Scorpio as of now is a small positive but depending and how well it does it may not make much of a difference long term as Xbox isnt doing as well this gen. Of course during a conference call they will hype up what ever product they are putting their chips into, anf they will do the same for Sony , Nintendo, Lenovo etc

[seanpitt23]

Let's see what sony has up their sleeves I just cannot see them having a 2teraflops less capable machine out in the market for 2 to 3 years.

Even if it's 1 or 0.5teraflops less It wouldnt be to bad but 2tf advantage for the Scorpio is a huge difference.

Sony have said they want this new highend ps4 model to stop people jumping to pc but I cannot see it with the modest upgrade we have had rumored. 4.14tf bottlenecked with the 2.1ghz overclocked low powered cpu.

[javauns]

they probably gonna release the neo and a new ps5 in 2020 ish.

[MasterCornholio]

That's what I'm guessing. The NEO doesn't sound like their Next gen system to me. Sony is *doing* so well with the PS4 that it's in their best interest to keep producing that system for a little while longer.

[YinYangGaming]

Sony will give up a power advantage if it means squeezing as much out of the PS4 as possible and avoiding billions of $$$ in developing a new console too quickly, PS4 is a MASSIVE success so they'll milk it as much as possible just as Microsoft did last gen with extending the 360 lifecycle

[javauns]

@yinyanggaming, that what i thought too but then they went and started handing out development kits for the neo. I thought they would maximize the popularity and keep riding the wave and just push vr and good games.

[Kingthrash360]

javauns
but they didnt build a new console.
they upgraded the current one. uhhhh man im so sick of misinformation and 180s.
we know nothing about both...and in reality AMD will definitely say positive things about what they are selling.
holla at me when nvidia says they like what AMD has done with scorpio.
kinda like when phil and shu compliment eachother. man yall eat the pr stuff up like candy. funny if it costs 600 bucks or somethin...smh be patient and wait for more info for both neo and scorpio. be a customer, not a unpaid salesman.

[Bobafret]

I honestly don't think it would matter, Sony could just keep going with the Ps4 and still lead the market.

[ONESHOTV2]

Bobafret-----you and i as PS gamers be honest the ps4 sold as much as it did becuase of the power advantage it had over the xone dont lie to yourself. if MS gets the upper hand dont you think they will pick up more pace the tables can turn at any time man this is a ps gamer telling you this not a MS fanboy

[uth11]

If you look back at the history of consoles, weaker often wins.

Price, game selection, brand name ultimately matter more to most people than raw power

[BlackTar187]

you guys below Bobafret are so delusional it's insane.

Xbox needs games you guys lack games every console generation are you even gamers? Or are you company paid shills?

Oneshot saying over and over you're a PS gamer doesn't convince anyone. HEY GUYS LOOK IM A PS GAMER BUT HAEY GUYS DID I SAY I WAS A PS GAMER? Jesus lord almighty you guys are desperate.

[MasterCornholio]

@One

"tables can turn at any time "

That's not true. Sometimes it takes years to reverse the situation that a brand is in. Don't expect Xbox to outsell PlayStation by 2:1 anytime soon. Theres a lot more to sales than just power. For example brand loyalty is something that you people never consider. If that didn't exist no Xbox Ones would have been sold.

[Death]

@Blacktar,

What games is Xbox missing? Since Xbox Live launched I have used my Playstation's primarily for exclusives. This gen has been a little underwhelming for me as far as Playstation exclusives go. I'm not sure why some people pretend that every exclusive appeals to everyone. Many of them look like shovelware to me. It all comes down to personal preference. Xbox has more exclusives that I want and I absolutely acknowledge they have less exclusives to pick from. Everyones tastes are different. I'm glad you find more on the Playstation, but that doesn't make it better for everyone.

[DarkHeroZX]

Oneshotv2

Idk about you but power difference meant very little if price was the same at launch. The fact PS4 was slightly cheaper and slightly more powerful meant it was an obvious choice for many on a budget. Also the exclusives made the PS4 the obvious choice for me. Now that my money is better I'm looking at dual Titan X GPUs when that drops august so my Xbox needs will be met.

[rainslacker]

Power is certainly one consideration people consider, and for some, may be the only consideration depending on their needs. But there's infrastructure, where their friends play, game's available, price, availability, brand perception, console and game quality/quantity/variety, and customer loyalty that all play a big part in many people's decision on what console to buy.

If any company only looks at one of those things, and tries to capitalize and succeed with that one thing, they are destined to fail. Many companies have come out with the notion that more power would win the war, and none of them are making consoles anymore. Most never made it more than a few years with one entry in the market. The one's that are still in the game, are the ones that consider all the factors which drive a consoles success.

[vega275]

@ BlackTar187

You are delusional.

It wasn't that X1 lacked games at all. Cause they are still putting out games and not just halo, gears and forza. This gen has been about Power and the lack of.

Why do you thing andrew house talked about it so much at every E3 but this one. Why? Because they can't anymore which is why they changed the narrative to its about games.

If it wasn't about power why would shu say better rez at 1080p and frame rate makes better gamers. Why? If it's about games

Why would every article about a multiplat games have to be compared x1 versions vs ps4 version.

Lastly. Why make the neo so to keep gamers from moving over or back to PC. Your games should keep them there not a upgraded ps4 cause the vanilla ps4 isn't strong enough.

[Christopher]

I don't think it will have as huge of an impact as the PS4 vs XBO comparisons, but I do think if Scorpio comes out and isn't priced too high it will take off for console gamers. Especially your XBO gamers who buy a lot of games, they'll be upgrading on day 1. And they will lead to more upgrading. And, if Sony doesn't pump out some truly awesome games that look great at 1080p, people will jump ship eventually.

[NextGenCeo]

Sony Playstation 4 NEO not a new console. Just High end PS4. It`s same PS4 family. But Xbox Scorpio all new project and new hardware. Of course backward compateble but it`s a new gen console. That`s why coming up 2017 November.

Sony PS4 Neo not match with Scorpio because Sony already working on PS5 and they will release en of 2018. So on that point it`s not make sense to comphare PS4 NEO and Project Scrorpio. Scorpio should match with PS5 not upgraded PS4!
(ESL guy here sorry for English)

[str8duval]

Scorpio is not a new gen console

[SpringHeeledJack]

@duval Scorpio is a new gen console, it's comes out in 2 18 months time and next gen ps5 will be out probably 2 years after that, are you saying MS will release yet another console so soon after Scorpio to be its next gen? Nah Scorpio is it.

Ps4 neo is just a upgrade to handle vr better.

[TheCommentator]

Ironically, the word "neo" literally means new. You also chose to use the same wording, "family," that MS used onstage to describe Scorpio during their reveal. Where does this notion even come from? Is it simply because Scorpio has an entire PS4 worth of extra power over the Neos' rumored specs?

That aside, who told you that Scorpio is all new hardware? MS spent billions on R&D on the XB1 in order to facilitate the DX12 transition, and in spite of the power differences, we continue to see PC GPUs resemble the XB1 architecture more with every generation. That means that Scorpio is likely to be a more powerful XB1, and not a new GPU architecture. I guess it's just hard to justify a 6TF GPU as a .5 upgrade when it's over 4x more powerful than the original console.

[seanpitt23]

Ps5 in 2018 haha cmon don't be so daft depending on the neo and how it does will factor in when the ps5 releases and it will not be here until 2020 at the earliest.

[Death]

This must be why some fans are complaining about not seeing Scorpio games, they think it's a new console. It's being marketed exactly like Neo. Fans are the ones making it more than it is.

[Christopher]

***Scorpio is not a new gen console***

If the hardware specs being discussed are true, it definitely is. You are providing a very noticeable upgrade to the hardware and it will improve graphics and performance. That's next-gen hardware right there, regardless if the platform remains at the same as this generation.

Trying to paint it as otherwise doesn't change that fact at all.

[rainslacker]

MS isn't calling it a next gen console, but based on specs, I'd probably consider it one. They're approaching it from a different viewpoint in terms of generational changes....which is good....but just because MS says it's still an X1, doesn't make it any less next gen. They know they can't call it next gen, because Sony isn't going to call Neo next gen, because doing that so soon into the generation is going to not win them any kind of applause. But essentially, that is what we're getting from both sides....although if rumored specs are to be believed, Neo will be a rather underpowered next gen console.

Both companies have changed the terminology to not look like they're abandoning this generation too soon, and as it stands, they will cater to this gen for as long as they have to to avoid criticism, but ultimately, we are on the precipice of a new generation no matter what some people may wish to call it.

[Sparta07]

@nextgengo, don't know why you got so many disagrees. You are correct.
Scorpio is next gen..
I don't know why they keep bringing up neo when they compare specs. They sold compare xboxs and neo.

[meche334]

People are gonna disagree but its cold hard facts. A jag cpu is never gonna be powerful enough to feed a 4+tflop cpu. Its just not enough
Edit: 4+tflop gpu

[thisgamer503]

the cpu can't feed the cpu huh?

[rainslacker]

Good thing the CPU doesn't "feed" the GPU(which is what I assume you were referring to). The GPU can run independently of the CPU, and nowadays, mostly does outside of getting variable updates it needs to render a screen, and any of this generations CPU's are more than capable of doing that.

I'm honestly surprised that you got so many agrees considering just how unfactual your comment is. Granted, if you did mean a CPU can't feed a CPU then fair enough. But to my knowledge, no CPU is rated on TFlops, and if the jag CPU is 4 TFlops, I'm sure it can feed itself.

[NextGenCeo]

Thanks for all comment guys. Agree or disagree it`s really good to see what all you guys thinking. I read evey single comment. PS4 NEO as you guys can see just mid gen upgrade PS4 console. Same CPU and same memory using. GPU has more GNC core than orjinal PS4. And i think they can support CPU with higher clock rate to achive GPU performans on all terms. And we already know Sony Playstation API is the best console API on the market with Microsoft DX12. Both low level API but Playstation GL is really low level API. (I`m not sure API name but i read before)

So this means especially Sony first party games like Uncharted or God Of War or other games always push system performans and visual to the limits. So on that angle Sony with OC CPU and MEMORY can push more powerfull GPU without bottleneck problem. Of course all of them my idea not offical and we know gaming consoles not working like PC because they usually have 1 type memory and they use APU and every chip almost inside one big silicon... I`m not a tech guy but makes sense to me.

But other hands we have completely new hardware on Project Scorpio. You guys can watch video and can see memory chips. According to Eurogamer Microsoft Xbox Scorpio using 12GB GDDR5 and with 320mb second bandwith. So more and faster memorys need faster CPU! So we already know GPU has 6 Teraflops power. Just think. 12GB GDDR5 memory with 6 Teraflops GPU can`t be perform well with weak or last generation CPU. Even if you go really best overclock or speed rate! You need improve CPU instruction set, clock rate, bandwith support... Means you need all new CPU cores. Because Scorpio jumping from 1 teraflops to 6 teraflops. 8GB DDR3 and 32Mb Esram to 12GB GDDR5 memory. All architecture getting brand new chips.

That`s why I`m saying Xbox Scorpio is all new gaming console and powerfull. Sony can`t catch this kind of powerfull hardware with PS4 Neo atleast with does leaks hardware compenants. And I`m pretty sure Sony will make PS5 move for Scorpio release. And I`m saying again those are just what i`m thinking guys do not get me wrong :D

(Sorry for my English I`m just ESL guy)

[Raiden]

Hey I just wanna point out something, PRICING, PRICING and PRICING, every 2yrs a phone manufacture release a phone with incredible price and yet we still buy them or upgrade to them, IF MS choose to offset the difference price where you part trade in your old XB1 for the new console, or half price when you trade in and any w generation console. BUT MS has a very big problem GAMES, I like the idea of Play Anywhere (PAW), but it should be down to 3rd party dev's to decided to make there games (PAW) MS needs more studios they don't have enough and that a problem, yes people talk about exclusive but what is a PC? no matter the make its still powered by windows, and windows a MS platform, the only difference they say XBOX and there partners (PC), Game consoles have never matched a PC power before and now MS is making this a reality, people will always play games either on CONSOLE, PC and Mobile devices, but people are very demanding and we want to play there best game on the move too, mobile devices have become the new handheld and people want that Console/PC quality in there hands, and that's what windows 10 now allows gamers to do across the board, so live or what you have, you are on your gaming tablet on way home from work playing COD or some multiplayer game with someone who is at home on there PC or X1, all of this is possible because of window 10, MS can very much have time exclusive to there (PAW) too where consoles are still given premier position, but this could be unfair to PC gamers and would leave another bad taste in the mouth, what people need to understand is Sony will not build a which will compete side by side with a PowerPC, Scorpio is currently the closest console gamers will get to a gaming PC, the question is this, Is MS willing to release a upgrade every 2-3 yrs to match a $/£1500-2000 PC with a console price at $/£500-600, how many people would upgrade there PC every 2-3yrs if the PRICE IS RIGHT, remember we upgrade phones and currently I believe a PS4/X1 are both cheaper than so high end phones.
PRICING, PRICING and PRICING.

[LastCenturyRob]

It really depends on how much Sony has already invested into the Neo. If they truly were not expecting MS to come out with such a heavy hitter they may be stuck with what they have for the most part. If they scrap it and re-design that will cost a ton and share holders would throw a fit if it deflates the bottom line. My opinion is the Neo will be "tweaked" from where it is now, maybe pushing 4.8 to 5 tflops with an increase in ram if needed.

[Aenea]

Gotta wonder what the 3rd one is then... I mean I kinda thought it was Scorpio, X1 S and Neo, but they mention Scorpio but don't want to mention the other 2 so it's not the One S. Could it be NX? That could be interesting!

AMD would then have all the 3 console players as a client! That's kinda awesome :)

[javauns]

the 3rd is nintendo

[Aenea]

Could be yeah, but there were also rumours IIRC about ARM and nVidia for the NX....

[javauns]

those were debunked based on pricing and other stuff. nintendo is gonna us maybe the polaris 11 chipset. which is more powerful than the ps4 and x1 but not the neo and scorpio. those are the rumors based on a few of nintendo statements. and the face that a dev company said all games can easily be ported so that shows the architecture is very similar to the current consoles. and they already have a deal with amd.

[krypt1983]

Nintendo is definitely the 3rd they will go with amd aswell they need there system easy to port to

[sammarshall102]

That's great sounds like AMD and Microsoft made a powerful console

[Goldby]

The most powerful console ever... on paper.
The most powerful console ever... right now.
The most powerful console ever... until the next one is released.

when will people learn...

[Xavior_Reigns]

Fanboyism is a disease... Sony could be lying just like MS could be lying about their specs. Nothing is final when one is over a year away and one hasn't been confirmed at all by the other.

Its still going to be funny if Neo is equal to Scorpio... the flip flopping will commence again, but MS still has time to make its promise true. However no exclusives and diversity will be its downfall. People make their lists, its cute till you see how many times Halo, Forza (for all its praise, this series doesnt sell like it should, needs more muscle huh) Gears, etc repeat.

Uh oh, I hear the kettle, time to take some antibiotics less I become like the ever lasting rook and one eyed creeps.

[ONESHOTV2]

Xavior_Reigns--"However no exclusives and diversity will be its downfall. People make their lists" wow man i can see the radical fanboy in you but you really need to calm down the xone has all it's exclusives coming out this year no one has taken anything from the Xone i guess you were talking about windows 10 right it's not called stealing if the games are going on another MS platform i know some of you on here dont want to see MS move forwards but you guys need to let it go becuase they are not going anywhere and even fanboys need to have sense sometimes becuase if there is no competition what do you think will happen ?

[Filmicfps]

'The most powerful console ever... until the next one is released. '0

of course until the next one is released lol. no one said most powerful console until the end of time. For this generation all signs point to scorprio absolutely dominating the competition with specs. i think sony will react and change specs to match the scorpio

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Is there any doubt this thing is way more powerful than than the NEO with AMD glowing about the hardware and their special relationship with Microsoft?

[Sparta07]

Well scorpio is a next Gen console, so would imagine it being more powerful.
You should compare xboxs to neo.

[ONESHOTV2]

Sparta07------- trying to play it off by throwing the next gen console around ? if the Xone is next gen then so is the neo what makes you think they are not in the same category ?

[Christopher]

*** if the Xone is next gen then so is the neo what makes you think they are not in the same category ?***

Why wouldn't they be? If Neo is new hardware like the planned Scorpio, it would also be a new generation of hardware.

[Sparta07]

@ oneshot, I'm not playing anything off.
Scorpio is next gen, no matter how you try to spin it. Xboxs is more comparable to neo then Scorpio.
I don't understand why you sound so upset.
Xboxs=xboxone.5
Neo=ps4.5
Scorpio = next gen.

Funny how everybody here is forgetting about the xboxS.
You can't call xboxs and Scorpio an upgraded xoboxone.

[rainslacker]

Is there any doubt AMD is in support of MS goals, because it means they can sell more chips?

AMD is making the Neo chip as well. I'd imagine like with the PS4, they'll probably praise that as well when Neo is officially announced. Kind of how they praised both the X1 and PS4 after their announcements....remember that? How'd that make X1 more powerful than PS4?

So, yeah, I suppose there could still be some doubt, but given the time frames for release, I'd say Scorpio is more powerful. That give MS 18 months to make a compelling library of game that will actually drive people to buy the system....and work on their messaging to make people more interested in it than Sony.....and somehow find a way to convince this current console generation why they should go with more powerful consoles.

[NextGenCeo]

Intel and Nvidia should back to Console business. I just imagine Intel Core I5 level CPU with game consoles or Nvidia GTX1000 series. Consoles APU level CPU`s really week.

[BlacKJesu5]

Just build a pc then

[NextGenCeo]

I`m already doing from amazon.com :D When game consoles became just PC hardware i was start think. I already got motherboard and CPU from amazon.
Every month i`m purchasing couple of part for my PC. By the way i was console gamer. I already got day one Playstation systems including PS4 and Nintendo Wii U. But not anymore i think.

I will keep buying game consoles if they give me more options than a standart PC. Other wise i`m not gone pay for consoles. Game Consoles should not be like PC! It`s not make sense to me never.

[Pandamobile]

Consoles are built as cheaply as possible. Both Nvidia and Intel cater more towards the high end consumer market and enterprise solutions.

At this point it doesn't make much sense for either of them to get into the console space where their profit margins would be razor thin.

[NextGenCeo]

I understand it`s makes sense you are right.

[JOHN_DOH]

AMD probably can't be beat on pricing. The public made it clear that they don't want expensive consoles when ps3 was announced so the console makers have to work on keeping price low. So even if this is a design win for amd, there probably wasn't much if any competition.

[Kokyu]

Well so much for this gen just like I said these consoles wpuld last 4 5 yrs

[ScorpiusX]

Congrats AMD much continued success .

[--bienio--]

PC is the future of gaming simply...but Im glad M$ is trying to get 4k for more "console" players even if next year xbox Scorpio will be outdated...at last they trying...Peace

[Zabatsu]

Well. What they have built is just another computer. The Scorpio is far from being a console. With that matter solved, it's still an impressive feat. But it won't change the fact that it will be a computer and not a gaming console. I think that will be, what makes it completely unecessary for me to buy it. I have my computer already.

[VaporCell]

Double post

[dolfa]

lmao ofcourse its a design win, when there is their hardware inside

[blastermaster77]

stupid peasents PC with steamos is the way to go!

[thisgamer503]

No. No it's not. The fact you say that makes me think you don't own a gaming PC. Serious gamers will run steam on Windows, not SteamOS. Perhaps you meant Steam Big Picture mode is the way to go! ?

[Maxor]

Just announce the Neo spec already Sony.