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Sony agrees to pay millions to gamers to settle PS3 Linux debacle

As many as 10 million PS3 console owners will be eligible for payment.

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Mrveryodd759d ago (Edited 759d ago )

Linux was the number one reason i bought a PS3 , so i was one who was ripped by Sony who charged me $700au for my PS3 ........and that is one of the reasons i dont own a PS4

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Erik7357759d ago

Congratulations you can get like 50 bucks now

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hay758d ago (Edited 758d ago )

It's hard to believe those wankers that say they bought PS3 for the Linux. Seriously, what were they thinking? They could have twice as powerful Intel at that time if they wanted something that will be supported.

Don't get offended, but I call bullshit. Even if you did bought it for Linux, it's still bullshit reasoning unless you wanted to build relatively cheap clusters. And even then, you shouldn't update it. Wasn't that obvious?

People like that slow down evolution for everyone else. We could have an AAA game with that budget.

darthv72758d ago

I never used the other OS as much as some I know but either way it sucked when it was removed. I understand that they did not forsee someone using it as an exploit but to tout features as a way to entice consumers and then remove them... it happens.

Instead of them requiring some sort of proof why not Sony just offer up a free game to PS3 users? People who still have active PSN and Ps3's should be able to choose a game from a certain selection. I still use my PS3 and Sony can check my activity if they need to to see my system is registered and in use.

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Bruh758d ago

I'll take it! That's a game right there :)

Mrveryodd758d ago (Edited 758d ago )

@sunnys
@fries ;
@hay
you dont know me , your opinion about what hapend to me is worth nothing , if you look at my comment history you will see i am not biased against any game machine ...... also i get shit as i live is Australia and dont have a psn account , you had no choice but to update the ps3 as soon as you stuck a game in the drive assuing you wanted to play that game it forced you to update .

CorndogBurglar758d ago

If he's lucky. Usually the people in these big cases are lucky to get $15.

D2K758d ago

Hey, it's enough to buy a game!!

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nitus10758d ago

You must have got 40GB PS3 since the 60GB PS3 in Australia was AU$999. The 60GB model (which I still have and it still works) also had considerably more features than the 40GB model.

As far as the "Other OS" feature you could have kept it if you did not bother to install the update which removed it.

Hands up all those who actually made use of the "OtherOS" feature. ...... Crickets!

yeahokwhatever758d ago

I guess that makes me a cricket. :-/ Seriously, 2006 is hard to remember, but if you take yourself back and really think, the internet was full of articles about interesting things to use the other OS feature for. It was a major let down for tons(thousands) of people that they either had to pick between updating and playing newer games, or not updating to keep other OS but get stuck with compatible games.

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NecoTehSergal758d ago

Can't blame Sony, blame the coders and hackers, they found loopholes in it and ruined it for others. It was them that made Sony go back on their decision to include Linux, it's because of modders like them that we don't have nice things and that companies make their products more restricting to avoid these things. If Modders hasn't dug around Linux and advertised how they found a loophole to hack and mod PS4 then Linux would've stayed.

yeahokwhatever758d ago

yep. :-( I'm ultimately glad that this made playstation stay a console instead of go the route of becoming a hackable mess by being too PC-like, but it still sucks they had to remove the feature. It was a selling point for me.

NarooN758d ago (Edited 758d ago )

I call BS on all the people saying they bought a PS3 for Linux. On the PC landscape, Linux users make up less than 1% of the total users. It's a super niche subset of the PC userbase. You might go on forums and see quite a few people using Linux or talking about it, but then you have to remember the fact that even THIS site is a super niche subset of "gamers" if you will, and thus we are just a loud minority.

OtherOS was a niche feature that was there because they were marketing the PS3 as the ultimate multi-media machine when it first launched, instead of the ultimate gaming console. It was depicted as the home luxury electronics device to end them all, with them focusing on the Blu-ray and technical aspects more than they were gaming.

Using Linux on PS3 would've been something hobbyists would do just for shits & giggles, just like Net Yaroze and Linux for PS2 before it. Literally nobody but the most insane madman would claim to buy one with the intent on it being their main system or using it do their most of their coding. Absolutely absurd.

Mrveryodd758d ago (Edited 758d ago )

I owened an Amiga 4000 at the time .... and to this day i have not watched a fn blu ray ...... i go to the movies use emule and now mostly Netflix .... and as an Amiga user yes we were considerd hobbists

Angeljuice758d ago

If Linux was "the number one reason" to buy a PS3, you would have bought a PC.

Nobody bought a PS3 to run Linux.

Kribwalker758d ago

But maybe they bought a more expensive PS3 instead of a 360 because of the Linux feature

Criti-Choco758d ago

@Kribwalker ..... yaaaaaaah...... no

People wanted the pricier models for things like backward compatibility and storage, not LINUX. more than 9/10ths of the user base probably didn't even know LINUX was a thing until they mentioned it.

TheCommentator758d ago

Why not? It's not like PS3 had any games to play for the first two years anyways. People were so bored they used their PS3's to map the human genome and stuff. #[email protected]

gamerswin24758d ago (Edited 758d ago )

they charged you 700 because at that time a standalone blu ray player was like 700 u.s. dollars which in other European countries would be alot more. Not only that Ps3 innovated in many areas with first console to offer first true real 3D, 7.1 Surround Sound and other things other consoles did not have and later added to their systems. I never understood why ppl say it was overpriced, it wasn't overpriced for what it was offering (%hit it was a gd deal) but it was too expensive for alot of ppl and that is where Sony messed up.

Now i agree if they sold their console offering specific major features and that is taken away gamers should definitely be recompensed so i agree with this ruling.

ShaunCameron758d ago

But it was too cheap for Sony as they lost $240 per console sold. If anything, the PS3 was too powerful for its own good.

MaxedOutGamer758d ago

You bought a gaming console for the sole purpose of using Linux? I'm guessing you threw it away when the feature was removed.....

LackTrue4K758d ago (Edited 758d ago )

If you believe you're self that crap. You must be a steam machine owner!
And as you can see now a feature like that is not gana sell much or is important.

mrkbizzle758d ago

Awesome dude, u spoke up wit d wallet. Proud of u son...

2pacalypsenow758d ago

Why not just build a cheap Pc to tun it??

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yeahokwhatever758d ago

yeah, the internet was ripe with fun things the ps3 had potential for with linux on the ps3. I used it myself. Its actually why I got the 60gb version. More space for the other OS, plus the card readers seemed important for that. I'm kinda happy even as a playstation fan that they're being penalized for this BS.

ps4joel758d ago

funny guy if you really wont linux stop crying and get your self a pc lol .

Mrveryodd758d ago

OK Linux was not number one reason , games were but it was a close second , at the end of the day who gives ashit as i know i will get nothing from sony as i dont live in the US ..... what pissing me off is you get attacked at this fucking site for saying a small comment about god damm playstation .... fuck off

FamilyGuy758d ago

As I recall, there were people buying tons of PS3s and connecting them in clusters to make "cheap supercomputers" with that Linux functionality. It was rumored to be the (actual) reason why Sony removed the functionality and part of the reason why the games purchased attach rate was so low when compared to the 360. Something about the power to price ratio made the PS3 a cheap option so those saying people could just have bought/built a computer are wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...
http://www.sciencealert.com...
http://phys.org/news/2010-1...

donthate758d ago

Yup, exactly!

Well, that and apart from the fact that a large portion of people initially bought the overpriced PS3 as a cheap blu-ray player. At the time, a standalone blu-ray player cost almost double the PS3, and the PS3 was better at playing Blu-Ray!

So the user base of PS3 was heavily inflated by non-gamers and this cost Sony a lot of money. In fact, overall the PS3 lost more money than PS2 and PS1 combined profits.

MagicBeanz758d ago

Can you run Linux on your xbone?

kamisama758d ago

Exactly, I put Linux on my ps3 and it was awsome!

XanderZane758d ago

Sony loves taking things away from their hardware. Took Linux away. Took PS2 B/C away. Took free online gaming away. So this doesn't really surprise me.

Rhythmattic757d ago (Edited 757d ago )

Removing Linux is very different to removing features on a new SKU.
PS3 80Gb Fat's to this day, still have BC and free online..... when they removed linux, it was no longer the box I bought.

When the 40Gb Fat came out the BC was downgraded to software emulation... Thats was its specs...Nothing changed through the life of the SKU... You still got what you bought.
People would buy/trackdown 80Gb fat if hardware BC is your thing...

All PS3's still have free online.

As for free online, its a completely different matter for the PS4 (and which does suck)...
But, its not a PS3 and is a completely different console.

BIG difference.

Edit: To add, I was using Linux Red Hat for general internet stuff.. Net surfing, email... As i bought mine in 2006, the orig PS3 OS was pretty bare bones....
What really gets my goat is Sony allowed Universities ect to still install linux on later SKU's for building supercomputer clusters...... Sure, wasn't for gaming or home-brew (wasn't planning on doing either) , but still.

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Gwiz759d ago (Edited 758d ago )

In essence nobody relied upon the other OS functionality. Somehow these qualifications still uphold the actual EULA and TOS .They are avoiding the fact that they removed an advertised feature and want proof you relied on it. That's not something you can prove, all you can say is " the update required to break other OS functionality also made other features inaccessible ".Instead they want to see if you relied on other OS. That's only half of the issue, they locked you out by default while loosing functionality. Why this is only towards the US is a real slap in the face of other regions.

Edit: I'm not saying a company can't implement security measures.The problem in this particular case
was locking you out by default.You wouldn't even have an option (locking it out didn't do anything to the older models as it was circumvented anyway and they had to revision their firmware with the later released slim models)

It was evidently clear that security on their end that would affect you as a consumer wasn't taken that seriously.

sd11758d ago (Edited 758d ago )

I bought a ps3 when it was first released and i remember this being a pretty well advertised feature. I never used it, but for those that did it would have been pretty appalling.
From a customer perspectives companies shouldn't be able to disable features that are advertised in products. It sets a poor precedent. Imagine if ms released an update that disabled backwards compatibility or even disabled kinect preventing it working.

Angeljuice758d ago

So you shouldn't be allowed to remove a feature that proves detrimental to the products security?

Maybe you shouldn't add features that aren't announced at launch (as you don't get the machine you thought you were getting-its better).

Changes should be made on a case by case basis.

Criti-Choco758d ago

You know that Terms of Service form you never read that you blindly accept on everything?

Yea, theres clauses in there stating that their software is subject to change in time. Its not false advertisement if the feature existed and they had to remove it as a precaution or what have you. If there is a reason to remove it, then any business would do the same thing. If MS has a back door in their backwards compatibility that resulted them in losing millions you would see that removed, I doubt it will happen sure, but thats beside the point.

DragonKnight758d ago

OtherOS was never advertised. Find an advertisement that had OtherOS. I'll wait, but not longer than 91342971239847139047 years.

Nitrowolf2758d ago (Edited 758d ago )

I don't ever remember it being advertised by Sony for the PS3, though of course I may be wrong, it wasn't even on the originals PS3 packaging box

http://www.bitwalk.com/img/...

I do know they advertised the heck out of it on the PS2, even go as far as releasing a linux PS2 kitt

darthv72758d ago

I seem to recall seeing it on my 80gb motorstorm edition box. I have to double check but it might have been added after the 20 and 60gb released. Revisions to box info is common after the fact and something like Other OS being added to later boxes is a possibility.

ziggurcat758d ago

@gwiz

yeah, no... otherOS was never an advertised feature. and if i remember correctly, it was added on through a very early FW update, and wasn't even something that was included at launch.

Gwiz758d ago (Edited 758d ago )

The PlayStation 3 does not have Linux pre-installed. However, Sony included an option in the XMB menu soon after the PlayStation 3 launched that allowed booting into Linux from the hard drive or from a Live CD that the distributor's kernel would boot.[6] The installation manual for the Yellow Dog Linux version for PS3 stated, "It was fully intended that you, a PS3 owner, could play games, watch movies, view photos, listen to music, and run a full-featured Linux operating system that transforms your PS3 into a home computer."[7]

On the day of release we downloaded the Yellow Dog distro (March 2007 EU),as it was supported since November 2006.
Maybe people didn't follow all the news back then,but turning your PS3 into a home computer with a free OS was definitely something worth trying.It wasn't a mainstream selling point perhaps but still it was indeed a feature that made the PS3 stand out from the competition.

The irony is that those not having the other OS feature from the get go are the ones receiving a settlement LMFAO.

donthate758d ago

The US military did rely on the OtherOS functionality, and a lot of people did get upset when it was removed. Some companies were using PS3's to do number crunching, and had racks of them. At the time, PS3 were great number cruncher for a certain type of problem.

This made it attractive for some companies to use them, after all Sony was touting it. Problem was, Sony's business model of selling consoles at a loss and profiting from software was under threat. The inflated unit sales number were no longer needed so Sony scrapped it leaving a lot of people in the lurch.

ziggurcat758d ago (Edited 758d ago )

well, the military wouldn't need to update the FW beyond the one that still allowed them to use otherOS, so that's a moot point. and even then, I'm sure the military would be allowed to continue using that feature, regardless of the FW number...

edit:

again, I am pretty sure that the military would/could have made special arrangements with Sony in the event any of the PS3s they had no longer functioned.

donthate758d ago (Edited 758d ago )

ziggurcat:

The problem was that once their PS3 died, and needed replacement or they needed additional consoles they couldn't get more. New PS3 was preloaded with newer firmware.

Whatever custom software they did had to be moved back to another platform and no it isn't simply just recompiling. PS3 number crunching ability has to be specifically crafted for.

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MMOBytes759d ago

"submit some proof of their use of the Other OS functionality" -- Is this even possible?

nitus10758d ago

I did see some videos of Yellow Dog Linux running on the PS3 but if you really wanted a Linux OS you would have been much better off with dual booting or just installing Linux on your PC.

It must be noted that the "Other OS" feature was removed by update 3.21 on April 2010 if and only if you decided to install it. I had already decided to run Linux natively on my laptops and never had any problems in a corporate environment.

KTF26758d ago

"but if you really wanted a Linux OS you would have been much better off with dual booting or just installing Linux on your PC"
when it came out CELL architecture was interesting
it still better than the best x86 available for number crunching but it doesn't have a chance against GPGPU
and that's the reason why IBM and Toshiba abandoned it in the first place but sony had to wait for PS3

andibandit758d ago

A former colleague of mine bought a ps3(or was it 4 ps3's cant remember), anywho if I remember correctly he was doing some calculations on solving the Eternity puzzle.

himdeel758d ago

I dont think even more than 200k people could ever show proof of use. Think most of this settlement will stay in the bank. I had a PS3 during this time but will never be able to show proof of use.

MMOBytes758d ago

exactly, you would of had to done screen capture back then which nearly no one ever did.

Candlestickmaker759d ago

"To get the $55, a gamer "must attest under oath to their purchase of the product and installation of Linux, provide proof of their purchase or serial number and PlayStation Network Sign-in ID, and submit some proof of their use of the Other OS functionality.""

Can't see many people being bothered to complete this process, even if they meet the criteria

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1nsomniac758d ago (Edited 758d ago )

I'm from the UK can I claim?

I still have my original packaging in which it's listed on the box as a feature. I also have a copy of the original PS3 Linux varient & Red-Ribbon.

I was one of the people who was massively pissed off when they illegally removed it.

I've never claimed any of the compensation entitlements from Sony I.e PSN, vita function removals etc because it didn't bother me but what they did with Linux was wrong on so many levels that I'll most definitely claim just to teach them a lesson.

ziggurcat758d ago

1. can you prove that it was listed as a feature? because I'm certain it was ever listed on the box, and most definitely never advertised.

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3...

2. it wasn't "illegally" removed. they reserve the right to add or remove features at any given point - it's in their EULA/TOS. you not agreeing with it, doesn't make it illegal.

3. how was the removal "wrong on so many levels"? what, exactly, did you do with the feature? did you even use it?

1nsomniac758d ago

1) It was most definitely advertised several times in conferences & publicity events. It's also on the side of the box. It also was illegally removed for that exact reason it was sold as an advertised feature that is exactly why they are having to pay out. Arguing that point is stupid.

2) the very reason it was illegal was because its removing something after the point of sale from the consumer. Again it's not difficult to understand. That's why they're having to pay out. The only way they "legally" managed to get around it was the murky grey area that if you didn't update the firmware the purchased item was still in the condition you bought it in. Whether I agree or not doesn't change that simple fact.

3) a common grasp of any amount of intelligence on your part should mean we're both happy to ignore the stupidity or the ignorance of this point. It honestly really shouldn't be this difficult for people to understand.

ziggurcat758d ago

1. can you cite specific examples of these alleged conferences, and publicity events where they advertised otherOS as a feature? I just linked a photo of the listed features from their E3 presentation, and otherOS isn't there. and please, post a photo of the feature being listed on the box because I'm almost certain it wasn't listed on the box, either.

2. again, no... the EULA/TOS quite clearly states that the software, and its features can be added/removed/changed at any given time, therefore there was nothing illegal about its removal.

3. i'm a big dumb dumb, so please explain to me how its removal was "wrong on so many levels" - and without resorting to petty, childish insults (which only points to your own "stupidity" or "ignorance" if you can't argue a point without slinging mud).

1nsomniac757d ago

There's nothing more I can say other than like I said previously, it really shouldn't be this difficult to understand. The fact that you are ignoring even the facts means that no matter what I do you will ignore it in your ignorance. So there's really no point in talking to you anymore.

ziggurcat757d ago

"The fact that you are ignoring even the facts..."

what "facts" am I ignoring, exactly? you've claimed that the feature was advertised on the box, and that they've talked about it at various conference/presentations - so, again... where's your evidence to support those claims?

the legality of the removal of that feature was on the level, it states in their EULA/TOS that features can be removed or changed at any given point. that's a fact. really what your argument boils down to is that you were "pissed off" (as you've stated) at its removal, and calling it "illegal" or "wrong on so many levels" is just a product of your irrational rage, not an actual violation of any law.

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