Xbox One Scorpio vs PS4 NEO Spec Analysis: The Power Difference Is Real But Does It Matter?

Post-E3, there’s no need to step lightly around the positively ginormous elephant in the room anymore: The console gaming space has changed in fundamental, perhaps irreversible ways.

[LackaJaKane]

I can't wait until the neo's specs get an official reveal so we can really get this console war started between the two. I don't care what anybody says, I love it.

[SpaceRanger]

I think the more important thing is the Game Difference. You can have the most powerful console, but if all you have is a handful of recycled franchises it's useless. Luckily Sony has both this gen and had the same last gen with the PS3.

[Kiwi66]

So heres a question for you , what if the neo is the more powerful one and they use the same recycled franchises for it would you say its useless or would you still praise it seeing as you prefer ps

[BossBattle]

Remasters are definitely considered recycled.

[Satou]

I think it totally matters. In it's current rumored state Neo is about 2x as powerful as PS4-OG, which means most games will only get a fps doubling to 60 fps. I want the graphics to be improved also, which will require more power, so the rumored CPU upgrade is totally relevant to me. I'm hoping it gets added for 4.6-5 TFLOPS. I don't care about the price... $449-499 is fine with me.

[DJustinUNCHAIND]

Are you saying Sony has recycled franchises?

[freshslicepizza]

people talk about it being the games and i agree 100% but lets be honest, people love their graphics and love to compare. at the end of the day we are all very fortunate to even have these toys. just look at how far technology has come. you can play with people all around the word or play alone on the biggest screen you can afford with lovely sound.

[darthv72]

@djustin... they all do. Nintendo has mario, zelda, metroid. Sony has GT, GoW, Ratchet. And MS has Halo, Forza and Gears. (just to name a few from each)

[conanlifts]

Recycled franchises? You mean sunset overdrive, ryse, quantum break Scalebound etc? Both consoles have new and recycled franchises.

[Pongwater]

Even the recycled big titles don't matter now that they're multiplats. The bigger question to me is why buy the box at all? It will be cheaper and better from a tech point of view to simply buy or build a PC to play on your TV.

[miyamoto]

Power only matters if it is used to make critically and commercially acclaimed award winning games like Uncharted, The Last of Us, Shadow of the Colossus, FFXII, God of War, FFVII, etc.

[Kleptic]

I'll never understand what happened this generation with the comparisons of hardware...I understood it with the 360 and PS3, where both consoles had gpu's that weren't even available to the PC market at the time...but in 2013, something happened...

The rumored specs of the neo put it in line with having an R9 280x...underclocked...that is a Tahiti gpu released in 2011 and still underclocked from desktop versions...please let that sink in, as that is a gpu over twice as powerful as what is currently in the PS4...the clear winner of the two current gen consoles...it'll be 5 years old before it shows up in a freaking UPDATED console...

the Scorpio is more around a 980Ti/TitanX theoretical performance wise...but zero information on what is actually in there, or even who made it...that is fine and great, but the important part:

...NEITHER of these gpu's are what it takes for 4k in modern games at higher visual settings...the contradiction is that console fanatics stomped and yelled about how 900/60fps or 1080/30fps is 'all you need', and arguments of convenience like 'immersive' or 'cinematic' effects being 'better' at lower framerates or even lower resolution came from it...

but now? the scorpio is a 4k machine? It took a pair of the similar performance cards to do that on nearly any modern game released in the past year, and that's with newer PC api's that mimic low level optimization that consoles enjoy...if the neo has a 280x equivalent, forget it without drastic visual settings drops...a 280x can't 4k BF4, a PS4/XBO launch game, even using mantle...an api derived from the apu's in both consoles...and the scorpio won't even be here for 18 months...are games going to magically become easier to run at 4k by then?

Either way...I hope the real lesson is that this generation has been a hardware problem since day 1...People have been fighting over which mid range laptop is more powerful since mid 2013, and it doesn't make sense...These new consoles are a step in the right direction ONLY because both hardware makers are realizing how dated the equipment is...but, neither are going to run anything like uncharted 4, or Doom, or any great looking recent game...at anything close to 4k...that I promise...

[UltimateMaster]

Current PC owners that can already play the Microsoft games better than Scorpio are better off buying the PS4 NEO to be able to play PS4 exclusive games better.
Scorpio is for technology enthusiasts who don't want to invest in PC gaming.

[Neonridr]

interesting, considering this gen has been largely played up as the 900p vs 1080p based on the sheer number of articles we saw. So I'm guessing that power means quite a bit actually. Or is it only when Sony has the most powerful hardware that power matters?

Games matter? Now you sound like us Nintendo fans ;)

[agame914]

@space ranger your talking about Xbox right when you say the same recycled franchises?

[Nathan_Hale53]

@Kiwi66
There are always 'recycled' franchises each gen.

@martinatalex
You need a good CPU to actually handle the power. If the CPU is the exact same for the new consoles, then it is there are gonna be issues

@Xmarkthespot
Can you link where you got all this information on the PS4 Neo's power? Plus 'better' network, and controller options is an opinionated statement. I also wanna know how many people own useless 4k TV's cause hardly anything supports that resolution, and 30fps at 4k is ass. Pretty ass. I'd prefer 60+ fps on 1080p, which is why I have a 1080p 120hz tv. Making 4k a goal for the Scorpio is a marketing tactic and a joke since more powerful PC's cannot run 4k at more than 40ish frames. They should aim for 2k as it is a lot more feasible and looks pretty similar, but 2k TV's don't exist.

[Genuine-User]

You love console wars? lol

On topic: at this point in time, I think it will matter most to those that are not invested in these services. If it wasn't for the exclusives, one would almost always choose the better option.

The problem with Scorpio is that some of its potential consumer base will move over to PC gaming. Why wait when you can enjoy Xbox exclusives on a powerful PC that can positively annihilate the current Xbox.

I know some people like the console experience, so do I, but is that enough to hold one back?

@DarkWolf_NZ

This might come as a surprise to some of the ignorant Xbox fanboys, PC gamers often buy consoles for their exclusives. With the play anywhere initiative, there's little to no incentive in purchasing an Xbox if you already have a capable gaming PC.

Furthermore, building and maintaining a gaming PC has never been as easy as it is today. Some people will switch to PC regardless, and some will see the benefits of playing Xbox games on a PC.

Xbox hardware consumer base will shrink further.

[DARK_WOLF]

Console gaming doesnt change if someone else can play the same game on their pc.

If i game on console ima be buying a console.

The excuse u gave only relat

[Walter_Official]

I don't know how you are getting all these dislikes. The reason i bought a Ps4 was for their exclusives, same with the Xbox One. Now that "Play Anywhere" is a thing i've lost interest in it. Yeah its nice for when i need to travel and I want to play one of the exclusives. But thats not the majority of the time, the majority of my gaming is done on PC. I cant say i don't like the idea of being able to play all Xbox exclusives on my PC but i'm not seeing the pros for the Xbox (Not microsoft) in this plan.

Edit: @tinynuggins I dont see where the additional sales are coming from though. Yeah you are combining both so technically a larger player base and PC only players can experience the Xbox Brand "Exclusives" .

[Mithan]

Actually, it doesn't shrink. If the games are playable on BOTH the PC and Xbox, it will grow.

[Sharky231]

I think Microsofts true goal is to expand the windows store. They are now trying to compete with steam and other online stores. With the Xbox they can also compete with Sony. While I think in the end they could end up shrinking the Xbox install base. The Windows install base could grow a great amount. I've always been more of a PlayStation fan. I've owned an Xbox for a few of the exclusive but I will probably now buy a pic to play all those games. I can play games that Xbox won't have in their store as well as the pick of the lot in the Windows store. I'll always buy PlayStation because you can only get their exclusive on console. I can't help but wonder how many people will be in the same
boat?

[tinynuggins]

Couldn't disagree more. I'm a console gamer. You could give me a gaming rig and I'd never use it. The idea of gaming on a pc just doesn't appeal to me. The majority of console gamers would agree.

@walter
The pros for Xbox are more people to play with and additional sales leading to higher chance of more games.

[sammarshall102]

I'm well aware of PC gaming

But no, I'm buying the Scorpio

[thejigisup]

@tinynuggins, I totally understand that you may be adverse to using a real nice gaming pc, however. Entry into the PC market has never been easier. Being able to upgrade whenever you see fit has never been easier or cheaper. The benefits to a gaming pc go far beyond what any console has on offer simply due to the OS. I think if you had a Gaming rig and it played all of your xbox games and then some(steam), and all of those sahhwweeettt games that won't be on the windows store, with the option to connect to your television and still utilize your xbox controller, as well as having the option for the oculus, or the vive you'd be hard pressed to not move to the pc world. It just makes sense. I personally will continue to have a Playstation and a PC, i'm getting the best of both worlds without having to buy an xbox. I think it's very wrong of you to say most console gamers would agree. I think most console gamers(xbox owners) are scratching their heads thinking hmm maybe i should build/buy a pc. I recommend ibuypower.com they are pretty awesome and you can find a decent rig there for real cheap and much better than what the current xb one and the scorpio will offer. For those super L33t gamers or anyone with just a little confidence, bc theres no skill involved anymore, just build a daggone pc.

[ONESHOTV2]

dude you are spewing the same sh-t over and over get over yourself... i'm a pc gamer and i can tell you that not every has the money to build a rig. did that sink in to your brain ?

[vickers500]

" I think most console gamers(xbox owners) are scratching their heads thinking hmm maybe i should build/buy a pc."

Lol, no, just.. no. I mean no offense, but saying "most console gamers/xbone owners are thinking about building a pc" is absolutely ridiculous when the majority of console owners of any system don't even know what the hell steam is, and don't even know that you can play games on a computer that aren't World of Warcraft.

I myself built a 980 dollar rig a while ago during ps3/360 times and have barely used it for gaming, despite buying a ton of cheap games on steam and a bunch of humble bundles. I even tried playing multiplats I'd already played on ps3 on my pc, but I still preferred the ps3 version even after. No muss, no fuss. Plug and play. And I'm even pretty tech savvy myself, I've built computers before (did it as a job once actually), so it's not like I don't know how to maintain a pc, I just don't want to because it's too much work in comparison to a console.

I have a few other reasons for why I'd rather stay on consoles, but the no maintenance AT ALL aspect is probably the biggest.

[Bobafret]

I honestly don't know where to start.

[starchild]

I'm a PC gamer and I own a PS3 and PS4 too in order to play some of the great Sony exclusives I enjoy. I do see that more people will probably come to PC now that you can play Microsoft exclusives on there (and also just because it gets a ton of games in general and has a lot of other cool benefits). But to be honest I also see certain other people staying on consoles or maybe even giving up PC gaming now that they can get a pretty good experience on these Neo and Scorpio consoles.

I won't pretend to know exactly how it will all pan out, but I would estimate that overall it will probably be close to a wash. Some people will go to PC and leave behind consoles or use them less, while other people may stay on consoles and decide not to game on PC.

I wish gamers could just be happy that gaming is thriving and that there are plenty of different options no matter what your tastes are.

[illtownNJONE]

Console gamers love playing on console

[krypt1983]

That's the point genius xbox wants yout to buy the game not the console, they don't make money off consoles never have never will, they know if your going to buy a box then your going to buy it, it's genius what Microsoft is doing period...

[Nathan_Hale53]

@DarkWolf_NZ
It changed for me back in 2012 I went from console to PC cause I really wanted to mod Fallout, World at War, and Elder Scrolls. And once I tried, I loved it. Still have my mid range PC from back then running games fine with only a upgrade to ram, and soon a full upgrade. Honestly, I do miss the PS exclusives quite a bit; Uncharted or Ratchet and Clank just to name a few, but I emulate the old PS2 games and all the multiplats and GOOD indies run better and sell for cheaper typically. Now Xbox exclusives are coming to PC. Absolutely no reason not to buy a PC now, when you can grab any controller of your choice and play on one without trouble, I use a 360 controller when I decide to kick back an relax, but Keyboard and Mouse is the way to go. Still a reason to grab a console, but imo, not an xbox for their decision on Window's 10 and Xbox 'exclusives'.

[Nathan_Hale53]

@Sharky
Windows 10 will try to compete with Steam and will fail. It is garbage. They really need to fix their issues and implementation.

[candystop]

Well said Starchild!

[Majin-vegeta]

http://youtu.be/9QGQtJL7hSk

[BLizardXD]

Ryse in 4k would be a beast visually, it already looked nice in 1080p on pc.
http://i.picpar.com/t2Tb.pn...
http://i.picpar.com/u2Tb.pn...

[KiwiViper85]

That was my favourite part of the game

[Walter_Official]

Such a gorgeous game. Loved it even though it got a bit repetitive.

[Rude-ro]

How does the Scorpio come into play? That is a next gen console.
Neo vs Xbox one S period

[Rude-ro]

Oh the defense force is out strong today.

[starchild]

That doesn't make much sense. The Neo is well over two times as powerful as the PS4, whereas the Xbox One S is the same power as the Xbox One.

[Rude-ro]

@starchild
A. You have no clue what the specs are
B. Confirmed from House that is an elite version of the ps4
This far, that is the purpose.
They might change that but, every leak to this point takes the ps4 to 1080p 60fps gaming, 4K video, and improved stability for psvr
How is this compared to a next gen console?
It will not have the Xbox one name.
It 4K gaming and it will have exclusive ips and they will gimp the Xbox one versions.
That is a new console.
Microsoft has no hope unless the Scorpio has exclusives.
The ps4k is just like the S but Sony actually is giving more juice rather than a pointless 4K upscale.

[Goldby]

@Starchild.

If the Xbox one s is the same power as xbox one, how are they going to manage 4k media, 1080p 30/60 fps with stability?

We have no idea what the specs are for the Xbox One S, my thinking is because its about the same as the Neo, which wouldn't put MS in the spot light they are in right now.

[Spenok]

My biggest thing here is this.

The Scorpio isn't required for developers to make games on Xbox One, and it. MS has said developers have the choice to make games exclusively for the new platform. Meaning, it is technically a new system, and not just an upgraded Xbox One (which would make the most sense when you consider MS has only ever called it the Xbox Scorpio, and never with Xbox One in the name). So with that said, even IF it is intended to be an Xbox 1.5, MS won't be pushing out an Xbox Two or whatever random name they decided to call any time soon after Scorpio.

While on the other hand, the PS4 Neo IS an upgraded PS4, and EVERY game will be required to work on both the original PS4, and the Neo. Effectively giving Sony the leg up when they decided to release their PS5 in 2-3 years, and it's more powerful than the Scorpio, MS won't have a reply, as their console will be already 1-2 years old, and asking/making people upgrade from there would be disastrous.

So you would have a probably less powerful PS4 Neo competing with the Scorpio, likely out a year or so in advance of the Scorpio, then the PS5 releases within 1-2 years after Scorpio, and MS will running around with their pants down, screwed and out of options.

Which I think is intentional, especially when you consider how their E3 conference went. They start with the Xbox One S, then end with the Scorpio. It not only confuses people as to what their plans are, and many who would buy the Xbox One now may just wait for the Scorpio, if it would even be worth it. The PS4 will have a VASTLY larger install base, and the Neo will have already been out for almost a year, and will, even if slightly weaker, will be comparable. Yes, the Scorpio will be better, but will it be worth it to spend more on a new platform, when you can get everything on one you already own?

MS is basically setting themselves apart the way Nintendo has, and playing their own game. Especially when you consider that every game they are making from now on will be on PC as well. So for many, why buy an Xbox when you already have a capable PC?

I don't know, their strategy seems weird to me. They are trying to cater to everyone at the same time, and in so doing alienating themselves from the crowd. If they would just focus on what the gamers want, I.E. the exclusive games, people would be happier I think.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens. See how Sony responds. And more importantly, see how the gaming community responds.

[Master of Unlocking]

"While on the other hand, the PS4 Neo IS an upgraded PS4, and EVERY game will be required to work on both the original PS4, and the Neo. Effectively giving Sony the leg up when they decided to release their PS5 in 2-3 years, and it's more powerful than the Scorpio, MS won't have a reply, as their console will be already 1-2 years old, and asking/making people upgrade from there would be disastrous. "

Yup, pretty much exactly what I said in a previous comment. Plus, there's the price trap in addition to the time trap. Now that MS has unveiled their hand, Sony only has to ramp up the specs of the Neo a little to, say, 6TFLOPS, to lure MS into playing the pissing contest and also ramping up the specs of the Scorpio to, say, 8TFLOPS, and thus either pricing their Scorpio completely out of the range of what is deemed acceptable/commercially viable for a console, or selling the system at a huge loss.

[starchild]

Neo and Scorpio are just working names or project names, which obviously has nothing to do with how they relate to the previous consoles. But based on what Sony and Microsoft have said, Neo and Scorpio are essentially the same thing: mid-gen upgrades that play the same discs or digital copies as the base consoles, only with higher graphical fidelity and framerates.

I don't see how Microsoft will be in any worse situation. They might get outsold due to other factors, but it won't be for the reason you assume.

I see a more likely scenario as this:

Fall 2016 - PS4 Neo releases
Fall 2017 - Xbox One Scorpio releases
2019 - PS5 releases
2020 - the next gen Xbox releases

I can virtually guarantee that neither Sony nor Microsoft are going to release these Neo and Scorpio consoles and then turn around and release another console in a year or two. They are almost certainly going to want to get a good few years out of them. Consumers, too, are going to want to get some good use out of them. Most people would be very upset if they try to release the next consoles too soon.

[ChrisW]

Regardless of which future console has the lesser specs, it's always the fans of the one with lesser specs that say it doesn't matter. Xbox fans know this well.

[starchild]

They both do. I've seen both camps flip flop on this issue. During the PS2 days Sony fans always said graphics didn't matter, simply because the original Xbox was so much more powerful. During the PS3/360 generation things got a little bit weird because the 360 nearly always had the better looking multiplats, but the PS3 had a few of the best looking exclusives on consoles, period. So they both had talking points and people would just vacillate depending on the context.

Then the PS4 ended up being more powerful than the XB1 so Sony fans started to put a heavy emphasis on graphics and Xbox fans started to downplay it. Now that it looks like Scorpio will likely outperform the Neo things are again swinging back the other way.

The truth is, most of us care about graphics to a fair degree. Not that they are the most important thing, but good graphics always make a good game even more enjoyable as a whole.

[miyamoto]

It's not about the size but about how you use it.- Me

[extermin8or]

This isn't a new generation so the power matters far less. Why? Because all games have to run sufficiently well on the Base models.

[Deeke]

If the PS4 Neo releases in 2016, it'll likely match the specifications revealed in the leak. It could use a Polaris RX 470 derived GPU alongside an upjumped Jaguar CPU on an APU, but it likely won't use the new SoC designed by AMD simply because it'd take a lot of extra effort to redesign the APU into an SoC form factor with the Jaguar CPU.

However, since the Xbox One S releases this year and is powered by the AMD SoC, it's possible the Neo COULD use the SoC, too. The Xbox One S SoC (system on a chip, not an APU) likely uses the shrunken 20nm APU (back in 2014 AMD shrank the Xbox One's APU from 28nm to 20nm), so maybe the PS4 Neo uses a shrunken APU too.

Either way I'm worried that the older Jaguar CPU will bottleneck the Polaris GPU in some way...So really, expect the specs we've seen leaked so far. The PS4 Neo assuredly won't be more powerful than the Scorpio simply because the tech isn't ready yet.

AMD's 7th-generation APUs aren't ready, and Zen isn't ready. They won't be ready until 2017, hence why the Scorpio launches in Holiday 2017.

[IamTylerDurden1]

The fact that Neo comes out a yr before Scorpio is pretty significant. Neo will compete with xboneS this holiday, not Scorpio. Hopefully these idiotic comparisons with a console that is nearly 2 yrs off will stop.

[Crazyglues]

First, why are we comparing PS4-Neo or PS4k to Scorpio - Scorpio is the nex gen console, Not the upgrade... Xbox one S is the upgrade.

So you should be comparing PS4k vs X1 s - I know that makes to much sense, let's instead compare it to Microsoft's next console... LMAO... you guys kill me...

PS4-neo is the PS4 upgrade, Xbox one s is the Xbox one upgrade, -Scorpio is Microsoft next console- and it's seriously under powered. (more on that later) the truth is Neo is coming out soon - OCT- NOV - not 1 year from now... Scorpio is coming out NOV-DEC -2017 you might at well call it a 2018 system... that's almost 2 years away (not exactly it's it's more like 1.4 years ) but the point is we will be at a crazy level in a year and a half on PC graphic cards.. Probably Dual GTX 1080's on one card... able to run 8K no problem..

Let's at least wait to see what Sony's next consoles spec are... Because I believe it will launch around the same time as Microsoft's but be a Dual graphics card option, most likely a dual RX 480... and that will run circles around Scorpio and indeed be the next console I will be buying the second amazon let's me pre-order it...

[Saithraphim]

I agree with that, I love it too. What people don't realize is that this competition pushes each company to develop better and better games. Just reading up on the latest news coming out of each camp gets me excited

[super_bruno]

I guess it matters to many, like it mattered too many with the current consoles. I mean, there is no reason to play inferiors multiplatform games (frame rates, resolution and other graphical effects) on PS4/PS4 Neo when you can play superior versions on PC and Scorpio. I guess PS4 Neo/PS4 will be for exclusives only for many, unless there is a bunch of hypocrite people with double standard in here, which I think there aren't ;)

[KwietStorm_BLM]

Why

[XisThatKid]

Nothing wrong with routing for your fav team ask any sports fan console war is Damn interesting and fun. Plus we actually invest in it. Winners and losers are a necessity in competition

[ninsigma]

There are no specs to compare! Scorpio has a number and nothing else and we know nothing about neo. How can you analyse that!?

[darthv72]

While not official... it can be deduced from the leaked specs that Neo would be slightly below that of the scorpio. It's pretty safe to make that assessment.

edit: I take it from your response you did not read the piece. Both companies are sticking with AMD because they are wanting to maintain compatibility with existing software. And from that safe bet... we can figure out which parts both companies would likely be using. Rumors or not... it isn't that hard to follow along.

[ninsigma]

Still all rumour though. I do believe NEO will be the weaker of the two but again, scorpio only has a number (6TF) we don't know anything else about it (ok 8 core CPU) but that's it. 6TF means nothing when we don't know what the card is. 8 cores means nothing if we don't know what the cpu is. likewise the rumoured 4.5TF means nothing without know what the card is and literally that's all we know for neo. So for both I see a whole load of nothing and still gamingbolt can "analyse" this??

[uth11]

And because AMD can deliver integrated CPU/GPU SoCs while Intel/Nvidia can't. reduces complexity, cost, cooling etc, all important considerations for consumer-grade consoles.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

We had rumors about the original PS4 specs too, and look how that turned out. That's why they're rumors.

[Gazondaily]

You would think that after all the noise you made about these mid gen consoles even existing because of the nature of the rumours that, after them being proven correct, you'd be a little bit open minded.

But no. Instead you're asking silly questions like why can't we analyse these specs. We can analyse them. It doesn't mean they are set in stone. The leaks proved very reliable, MS revealed their specs and we have rumoured Neo specs to go off of. But you want to purge any analysis on the same flimsy basis as you did before?

Just leave it and let the analysis continue. It's a lot more productive than you whinging about it for apparently no reason.

[ninsigma]

Except that I was saying the whole time that it's all rumor...

How is it a silly question?? Tell me how it makes sense to compare specs we don't have. Saying it's 6TF and 8 cores isn't specs. We have no actual hardware to work off and neo has no official information.

Excuse me if I'd like more quality in the articles that get submitted. Though I guess quality articles isn't something you would understand.

[windblowsagain]

https://www.scan.co.uk/teks...

http://www.inquisitr.com/96...

5TFLOPS+ on that card and tested at 4k with crisis 3 just on high is still under 30fps. On very high it struggles.

Point is, it will depend on other things, like talented dev's, decent code. Everyone can play the numbers game but until the graphics and performance are there to see, it's just guess work.

[BiggerBoss]

How is analyzing a console not coming out for18 months and a console not even announced yet in any way productive?

[killer_goat]

Septic tank damage controlling as usual

[Eonjay]

Best case senerio:

The Neo specs reveals that it has no more or less than 5.9 TFlops. This would be a sh*tshow like no other.

[IamTylerDurden1]

Leave it to Septic to promote a Gamingbolt article.

The 2 consoles competing THIS holiday are the Neo and XboneS, let's compare them, Septic.

So xbox fans are excited over having a power advantage, but only in 18 months, until then power is meaningless...

Funny thing is, u might be playing AAA PS5 exclusives before u are playing AAA Scorpio exclusives. The reason, Scorpio doesn't even have dev kits yet so Scorpio game development hasn't even started. Sony has already stated that they are working on PS5 and even if Scorpio games started development today they still wouldn't be ready on time. Seeing as Scorpio is considered the next gen xbox and Neo is more akin to a mid cycle slim model, Scorpio will be in trouble when it releases with only the promise of VR and up rez'd games.

[Jyndal]

@ninsigma "Excuse me if I'd like more quality in the articles that get submitted. Though I guess quality articles isn't something you would understand."

Remember, this *is* a rumor site.
Conjecture and hyperbole are to be expected.

[Gazondaily]

"Excuse me if I'd like more quality in the articles that get submitted. Though I guess quality articles isn't something you would understand."

Yeah your weak attack on me aside, seeing as you're so much more understanding, would you mind actually reading the article and realising that the author discusses various different aspects of the rumoured specs?

You say Scorpio has a number and nothing else but if you actually bothered reading the article instead of throwing a hissy fit in a sad attempt to damage control, you'll note that the author is discussing many aspects of the leaked specs.

We get it. The rumoured specs cause you discomfort. But you purging any discussion on the point and then, frankly acting like a prat on here doesn't do anyone any favours.

You constantly cried before about the rumoured specs. Constantly whinged about them and then they turned out to be true and your reaction was oops. Then you carry on in the same manner. Its just sad...

@ninsigma

"Also I don't read gaming bolt, so no I won't read the article."

Then GTFO of here? What's the point of you being here? You didn't read the article and then went on a hissy fit? Do you know how stupid you're making yourself look? You have added 0 value to the discussion. Well done.

[ninsigma]

Please point to my damage control?? I haven't damage controlled anything in any of my comments. I have no problem saying scorpio will be more powerful and I believe it will be the more powerful console. Not once have I denied that/ said it's a bad thing or try paint it in a negative light. I actually found it interesting that it actually WAS 6TF after the rumour and I was also quick to admit I was wrong after assuming the rumor was false before they announced it.

Also I don't read gaming bolt, so no I won't read the article. There has been tonnes of articles on comparing ghost specs and it's getting stupid.

What you call a weak attack (maybe it was, I don't care) was merely an opportunity to tell someone I don't like their stuff. Don't get that opportunity very often. Also, name calling?? Really?? All I did was ask a simple, valid question and you went off on one. Looks to me like that so called "attack", got a little bit more on your nerves that you'd care to let on.

[BEASELY]

The way some of you keep tabs on N4G users is downright sad.

"I remember you made this sentiment nearly 6 months ago from today."

You can retain some truly important information in your life, Septic Tank.

[BossBattle]

Please stop....the Scorpio specs were leaked and the Neo specs were leaked. The Scorpio is more powerful. Don't be in denial.

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

[ninsigma]

No one is in denial. Read my comment. I've said multiple times I'm sure scorpio has more to it than neo. Doesn't change the fact we don't have specs.

[Sonyslave3]

Well it sure did matter 2013 -2016 so why stop now.

[Gazondaily]

Exactly. It mattered before and it matters now.

Ultimately, power comes second to gameplay though. That will always be the case.

[MasterCornholio]

Your right that games are the most important thing that sells consoles.

A true gamer will agree with me there.

[JackBNimble]

A direct quote from the article

"If Microsoft is serious about the Scorpio just being a “4K Xbox One,” the Scorpio may, ironically offer a worse 1080p experience than the Neo: The Scorpio may output downsampled 4K, which would offer fantastic anti-aliasing, but at 30 FPS, while the Neo will breeze past it, with games running at a native 1080p/60".

Scorpio will most definitely Not have enough power to run anything in native 4k @60fps, maybe you guys should actually read the article. Lots a fantasies going around here.

Edit: disagree all you want , this what article is saying .

[Bytor]

And the PS4 will always be more powerful than the Xbox One.

[CaptainObvious878]

You're kidding me right, septic?

Weren't you one of the ones constantly downplaying the power difference?

But I agree games always come first.

[Zediz]

Because Sony is "Goddess"and us blind sheep must change ever-arguments according to the situations to favor it. ;)

[Brandnewfan610]

The mindset of graphics over gameplay is exactly why this generation of games have been so sh*t.

[JackBNimble]

Well at least you're here Fin and not trolling Neo articles as usual ... or are you ?

[Bigpappy]

Power perception wins over exclusivesome because exclusiveshe are a small part of the software on either system. I I were to buy PS4 over Xbox one, it would be because of the power difference as I don't know much about PS4 exclusiveso (never played any of them.
There are several things I like about Xbox over PS as far as the way I play and my comfort. So having the most power snd my comforts in the same package is appreciated and I really don't care who else gets to play the games on the console I choose. I did buy Xbox so I can play games others can't. Scorpio will be a Monster though. No doubt

[ILostMyMind]

This is a fight that is not worth entering. But if you are right, not just deluding yourself, soon we will see fully market in favor of Microsoft. If this does not happen is because you are wrong.

Two examples: If power is what matters, then you have a PS4 and i will buy a Scorpio when it comes out. But i know i will not buy one because its games does not matter to me. And you, have a PS4 now?

But it is only a matter of time. It has the power to end all illusions.

[fromchildren]

Tell that to Smartphones and 3ds, Apple and Nintendo are laughing at you.

[blackblades]

They acting like they reveal the 100% spec of the consoles like what the hell.

[Pancit_Canton]

That's gamingbolt for you.

They use this "Imaginary developer" as their source all the time. lol

I'm surprised N4G have never blacklisted them.

[krypt1983]

It's simple look at the scropio reveal it shows the mother board , 6tf,8cores,12gigs ram, neo leaked speaks are right the first psvr game is already announced and ships in Oct neo will ship then deal with it ...

[KwietStorm_BLM]

What does the first PSVR game have to do with Neo or Scorpio specs?

[Gaming_Cousin]

The power difference is real but you are better off buying a PC instead of a Scorpio for exclusives. Who's gonna want to drop money on a system that has no exclusives?

[Kribwalker]

There's a tonne of console games that don't release on PC. How would you play those?

[DragonDDark]

Yeah.. but all XB games are coming to consoles so I don't know what you're talking about.
Get a ps4/Wii U or NX/ PC. And you will get the best of gaming.

[Kribwalker]

@dragon

I have a ps4 as well. I will prolly get an NX. I don't limit myself to one console. I buy them all (except the wiiu, just not enough there)

[DragonDDark]

Then if you get a PC, you will get XB games and more. Why pick the inferior option? I'm not hating at all. Just want to ask a genuine question.

[Kribwalker]

@dragon

A lot of my friends as well as my kids friends play Xbox, so I have 3. Plus I like the controller way better on Xbox then the dual shock (I have an elite) I like the online network better, with one Xbox live gold sub my whole house has their own account and gold, I like the Xbox exclusives better, my PS4 is strictly an exclusive machine for me. When the Scorpio comes out I'll be buying that as well. And I'm trading in my kids day 1 for a slim for me for when I buy a 4K tv for bluray ect and will trade in my other day 1 when the Scorpio comes out and give my kids the slim then. My older son has a gaming laptop I bought him for his birthday, and with the New share play my younger son can play on my home Xbox, my older son can play on his PC and I can play on one of the other Xboxs at the same time together for no extra cost. That's fantastic

[bennissimo]

@Dragon

Because a lot of console gamers couldn't give two shits about PC gaming. Does that help?

I'm buying the Scorpio day one and will never use PC cross play. Doesn't affect my buying decision in the slightest.

[Kiwi66]

But what if it does have exclusives then what will the next excuse be to not get one

[DragonDDark]

That's a big IF. Spencer said there won't be exclusives to XB1 anymore.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

lol what if

[DanzoSAMA]

I'm console gamer, I hate playing on PC even if you give me a 8K\144fps PC

can't wait to pre-order my Scorpio.

[DragonDDark]

Why do you hate it exactly?

[Bruh]

@Dragon

For me personally none of my friends play on PC. For me gaming is a social experience and thus if I can own a more powerful console while still being able to enjoy games, i'll take it. Not to mention all of my consoles are in social areas in the house (den room, living room etc) and thus its just more convenient and much simpler.

[DragonDDark]

Wow.. Sorry if I'm going to sound rude but that's such a dumb reason to hate PC gaming lol

[bennissimo]

@Dragon

Some of us adults who have wives and kids and adult friends with good jobs and good taste don't want PCs and their clunky interfaces in our living rooms. PCs for the office, consoles for the living room/gaming room.

[n4rc]

Guess we'd need official specs but it'll depend how it's applied..

[WelkinCole]

Look. Neo is mid gen upgrade which is new of its type. Scorpio is MS next xbox. If the Scorpio is not better than Neo spec wise then MS would be in big trouble.

[Kribwalker]

They are both mid gen upgrades. All accessories and games will be backward and forward compatible between the two. How is that a new gen? The old Xbox one and new Xbox one are the same Eco system

[Sweendog007]

How people can't understand is baffling , playsation and Microsoft are both bringing out high end machines to stretch their brand and give people more choice

What's hard to understand about that ?

[WelkinCole]

lol!. Man you guys are in for a world of a surprise when the PS5 launches in 2019 and your X2.0 will be no where to be seen because it has already launched and it is Scorpio.

[Sweendog007]

Why do you say Scorpio is ms next gen consle

Get your fan boy hat off , the article says they are both mid gen cycles , not hard to understand

If Scorpio is a next gen console so is ps4 neo , you can't pick and choose what one you say is a refresh and and what one is a new cycle. If both are more powerful than their current versions then it's either a mid gen cycle or new consle completely

If ps4 neo is more powerful than PlayStation then by what you are saying means neo is PlayStation 5?

It's not rocket science they are both refreshing their brands because their tech is not as good as what they first thought. And for whatever reason both chose to ignore 4K gaming and content

[WelkinCole]

Mid gen upgrade with

1. Almost 5 times the power of the X1 with upgrade from sub 1080p to 4k gaming?
2. Mid gen upgrade 4 years into the gen when it was expected for this gen to last 5 years?

If Scorpio is X1.5. When do you guys expect X2.0?. What will it upgrade to?. 8K gaming?.

Its amazing how much MS have fooled you guys. Like with their power of the cloud and DX12 and whatnot BS.

Get it in your skull. Scorpio is X2.0. It was what surprised Sony because Sony knew MS are going to kick off next gen earlier than expected.

[Sweendog007]

@welkincole

Dude you are way off, 8k gaming is no where to be found for at least 8 years

So what's ps4 neo ?

4K gaming too ( if you believe the rumours ) , 3 times more powerful than ps4

Have Sony fooled everyone els , are all those 40 million users going to rush out to buy ps neo ... Probably not

How hard is it to understand , how the fuck did you get educated.

Simple terms for you

Ps4 , neo , psvr - playsation brand

Xbox one s, next console , Windows 10 store - Microsoft brand

You failed to answer the question about what neo is ?

It's not hard to understand , both consoles at the begging thought 4K content was a flash in the pan and would take years to take off , both chose to ignore that. Now content is out in 4K people are asking what the gaming consoles were doing ?

It took just over 2 years before ps4 could hit 1080 60 frames per second on ps4 , half the launch games were not 1080 , Microsoft was hitting 720/900/1080 ( 1080 was not on ever game ) , both consoles are in today's world lacking in power and invitation that's why they are getting refreshed

You really think Microsoft are going to bring out Xbox 2 when Xbox one s was just announced ( to supply 4K content to a market that's on the rise ) get your Sony hat off

PlayStation 4 and Microsoft are refreshing their original Xbox and PlayStation to work better with modern tech. How hard is that

Xbox one will probably be stopped selling and it will be Xbox one s , and the new console next year which will support VR

PlayStation will bring out neo then a slim version and stop selling PlayStation 4

How hard is this to understand honestly educate yourself please

[WelkinCole]

Sweendog. You can't answer my question can't you? lol!. Again when do you think X2.0 (9th gen MS console) will launch and what will it upgrade to?.

PS Neo is PS4.5. An actual mid gen upgrade in spec/power.

No the power of the PS4 is 1.75tf. PS4.5 is 4tf which is slightly more than 2 times power increase.

PS4.5 is not about 4k gaming. Its about 1080p 60fps gaming. If you think 4tf power is enough for 4k gaming then you are delusional.

Scorpio is about 4k gaming. Go back and look at your precious Phil comment on this lol!.

[Sweendog007]

@welkincole

Show me an article that states what you are saying ? If you can't shut up you have no idea what your talking about and just being a dumb fan boy who thinks Sony can do no wrong

And no point did I say Sony was a new cycle , ps4 neo are both high end machines in the market , read articles they will tell you that ... Like this one funny enough that states they are both mid gen cycles.

Oooo that's right you ignored that part and thought it said Scorpio is a new cycle my bad , forgot you can't read.

Send me an article that proves what you are saying ?

Ps4 neo is a mid gen cycle that will support 4K content and from what I have read it will allow a higher graphics setting too if developers use it and give better performance to psvr( which still works on current ps4)

Honestly read things , at no point has anyone said both Microsoft and Sony are bring out new consoles they all say mid gen cycle ... Why would Microsoft bring out a whole net console but still push games out and bring out a slim version to support 4K console ... Your logic makes no sense.

Ps4 neo and Xbox one Scorpio are high end consoles to support the already successful playstion brand and Xbox brand and support ps4 and Xbox one allowing more choice to costumers

If I am wrong show me an article that says it's a whole new console and Xbox 2 and ps5 will launch in 2019 ? Lol you don't even know that and how long this gen will go on so stop with your Sony bs and actaully read please

Prove me wrong

[WelkinCole]

Yeah I thought so. You can't answer lol!

[Sweendog007]

@welkincole

You can not read I did answer you so here it is again

Playstion 4neo is a high end more powerful mid gen cycle refresh.

Microsoft Scorpio is a high end more powerful mid gen refresh cycle

I don't do speculation I do facts and all media and articles state it's a mid gen re cycle , until someone says Diffrent you are just saying what you think

If I am wrong show me a article that says it's a whole new console and not a mid gen refresh if you can't then stop saying stupid fan boy stuff makes sense.

Facts , and there is no facts that says Xbox one is to stop selling and Microsoft Scorpio is Xbox 2

Facts mate not fan boy stuff

@welkincole point made, I think

No one knows what the full specs of neo and Scorpio are , when they compare they say clearly either not confirmed or
Every article says it's mid gen refresh so why are people adding things that are not true is beyond me , it's like little children in school he said this she said that

If anyone has an article that says this is Xbox 2 pm me taht article so I can read it make my assesmt and apologise to people

If not I let's just deal with what we know , a lot can happen between now and next year in technology and the world. Every day you hear about new chips and ideas , so why don't people deal in facts instaed of making things up that have no proof or substance

[WelkinCole]

The fact you believe that MS calling Scorpio an mid gen upgrade with the power of a next gen console 4 years into the cycle is hilarious. Keep believing the BS they are spewing while Sony will continue to dominate.

Despite many times you guys are wrong you still believe MS lol!. Cute.

[Bytor]

Because they can't make it now Phil said so himself and according to the rumors you Xbox fanboys claim to be the Gospel the NEO is all ready to go. WelkenCole has it right your fearless leader said he didn't believe mid jen upgrades he said he would rather go big I guarantee you in 18 months they are not going to call it a premium Xbox One when nobody wants an Xbox One in the first place.

[Sweendog007]

@bytor i deal with facts not what you believe

if the call it xbox 2 so be it, and say its a new gen cycle then so be it

Still waiting on the article ? No ? Thought so

but fact, no one has said that at this present time, there for its just what sony fan boys believe

what if neo is called playstation 5 ? will you all say the same thing that its just a mid gen refresh or a new cycle

fact , all media and all articles say mid gen refresh , send me a link that says different or shut up

[ThatGirlThatGames]

Not true at all.

[Satyre28]

Of course it matters, it mattered the entire generation so far why would that change?

[Destiny1080]

1080p 60fps and I'm more then happy, the scorpio will be the most powerful console for two years until the all powerful ps5 comes out, what can they do in two years another halo another forza, well lets wait and see, the scorpio will be expensive and the neos price will be very compelling, at the end of the day its about the games and that's where playstation shines

[ThatGirlThatGames]

LMFAO never going to happen nice try.

[ThatGirlThatGames]

You are very delusional wow just sad.

[Aenea]

What is real? The specs MS said they are trying to aim for? Or the specs of the Neo that are only rumours so far?

Let's wait until at least one of the specs is set in stone, preferably wait until both are released and then compare them...

[SgtPepper1806]

I wouldn't be surprised if both systems received boosts between now and launch. However the clock is ticking on Sony who want Neo out this year.

[bennissimo]

Neo is too close to shipment for big changes. Think more like the optimizations MS did with the X1 between E3 2013 and X1's launch.

[SolidDuck]

It will depend on price just as much as power. The ps4 was in a unique situation when it launched of being cheaper and more powerful than the Xbox 1. Scorpio will be more powerful, but neo I expect will be cheaper and launch much sooner.

[one2thr]

Yet more speculations about Sony's console, based on nothing but rumors...

[WilliamSheridan]

Everyone said it mattered when it was the PS4 that had the advantage... Suddenly it doesn't matter?

[Aenea]

PlayStation still has the advantage, for sure for 18 more months.

Why brag when nothing is set in stone yet, just wait and see what happens, you can even in your head already think about all the stuff you gonna say when it's actually true but until then you look rather foolish to brag about it...

Edit: Neo is set in stone huh? Yes, I'm sure you're right, even the leaked specs might be right, doesn't mean we know for sure what the specs are AND we also don't know if the specs MS is aiming for is what we'll get eventually. Hence why I find it way too premature to even start measuring your dicks. And yes, that does look foolish.

And Sony is targeting 4Tflops? Where did you read that? There's nothing officially been said about it, just leaked rumours. So no, nothing is set in stone, maybe for Sony it is, but not for us.

[WilliamSheridan]

Not bragging nor do I look foolish. It's foolish to quickly change your argument when the roles are reversed. Also, neo is set in stone... In order to release this year, production must have begun or be ready to.

No need to quietly sit here, I'm not intimidated by the overly boisterous Sony fans on this site

[spicelicka]

Depends on the actual difference. PS4 had an advantage but barely, by barely I mean unnoticeable to the common gamer. Some of the best looking games like Battlefront are practically the same on both, so far it's been an advantage for arguments, specs on paper, trolls, and fanboys.

If it's the same case with Neo and Scorpio then again it will only matter to the trolls and fanboys.

The advantage of XB1/PS4 over Wii-U is, however, a real noticeable one.

[one2thr]

Well at this point it really doesnt matter, seeing that Sony haven't confirmed anything about their newer console besides, the fact that does exist.

[WilliamSheridan]

They confirmed a target range of 4tflops, please do your research. See previous interviews...

[one2thr]

Plz provide the same link(s) to article(s), that you have read. I havent heard any news of sony confirming anything spec-wise about their newer ps4.

[ScorpiusX]

If it mattered in the beginning of this Generation , then it should still matter at the midway point of this generation no matter what hardware is being introduced period ....

[UncertainCategory]

All the talking points on both sides are switching and its.. just hilarious to watch.

[Rai]

History tells us it won't and it shouldn't. It should come down to the games, price and design. That is all.

[DarXyde]

So. ..the power difference is "real" when we have yet to see ANY specs? Literally, the only things we know about Neo are (a) it had the same architecture as PS4 (duh) and (b) it's more powerful than the PS4. That's it.

You can't go by developer kits. PS4's was 4GB and the console is 8GB. Could they have changed it based on Xbox One rumors? I mean, sure, it's a possibility, but it doesn't matter what happened then because we got what we have now.

Three possibilities are now presented:
(I) it's exactly as powerful as we have been lead to believe. Feels unlikely since they bothered not showing it off.

(II) Sony will now respond to Scorpio by upping the specs, but obviously there's a limit where it won't be as powerful as Scorpio, but perhaps the gap will be smaller than 2 TFlops. This seems plausible.

(III) The specs have been understated (highly unlikely they're overstated) and, much like the contrasting rumors and reality with PS4's actual specs, what we "know" has been inaccurate.

Does it matter? Only in terms of what's possible, I guess. Personally, I don't see a massive turnout for the new Xbox. Hardcore Xbox gamers, yes. Otherwise, depending on the price, I have a hard time believing people are going to buy what's essentially a next generation platform in such a short time. But that's my personal speculation.

I've been wrong before.

EDIT:

Actually, I'd say that if Microsoft can partner with some service (like a cable provider) to subsidize the cost of the console via contract, that's probably going to do well for their sales. People do it all the time with phones.

Then again, a phone has far more utility than a gaming console.

It'll be interesting, that's for sure.

[SgtPepper1806]

Sony upping the PS4's RAM is A LOT easier than changing the GPU which is what they'd need to do to close the gap. It's up to them. They match or beat Scorpio but delay Neo past PSVR's launch and have to face the same pricing dilemma as MS or they launch as is alongside PSVR and have a year long head start over Scorpio.

[Aenea]

What does the Neo have to do with PSVR or it's launch?

[Aenea]

I mentioned a contract type thing months ago, both Sony and MS could do a monthly payment thing with Xbox Live/PS+ for like three years. They are sure those customers stay for three years as well.

36 monthly payments of $15 totals $540, includes new console and network sub. Quite doable... And if they release a new console every three years like that....

[PsylentKiller]

I feel like this was done before, way back in the middle of the 360 life cycle.

Also, I have a feeling that Sony and MS may be heading towards a tick tock rotation. Similar to how Intel used to release CPUs. However, not just within its own company but with the opposition as well. Sony releases the PS4, 3 years later MS releases XB2, 3 years later PS5, 3 years later XB3, and so on.

Edit: found it! http://www.ign.com/articles...

[ThatGirlThatGames]

Sony is not upping shit and if you think that it really show's how fucking delusional you are.

[DarXyde]

You're so cool, cussin' at strangers! K!

Whether they do or not, it doesn't really matter. Increasing clock speed is actually still probable at the very least by the way.

[Babadook7]

"You can't go by developer kits. PS4's was 4GB and the console is 8GB"

True. Dev kits are generally not final specs. You can add RAM and you absolutely can bump MHz.

"Sony upping the PS4's RAM is A LOT easier than changing the GPU which is what they'd need to do to close the gap."

Except you can get better performance fairly easily by bumping clock speed. Don't need to 'change' the gpu. It happens a lot. Happened to xbone. The same gpu in Neo is capable of 5.5 tflops when in a PC gpu. Sony has not commented yet on the specs. Wouldn't surprise me if PS4 Neo gets a nice bump from the early dev kits.

[SgtPepper1806]

Yes it does. IF the power difference is as big as we're currently assuming. The PS4 is about 1.7 Tflops to the XB1's 1.3. Multiplatform games run better on the PS4 in regards to resolutions and frame rates (when devs take advantage of whats there) and PS4 exclusives can surpass anything the Xbox One is capable of. Look at Uncharted 4 or Horizon Zero Dawn. I cant see those looking that good on X1. However on Neo and Scorpio the difference is MUCH bigger. we're going from a 0.4 tflop difference to a 2 tflop+ difference in addition to other Scorpio advantages. Not only will multiplatform games perform significantly better on Scorpio, with differences much more advanced than res and fps stability, they'll be simply better. Neo games at 30fps will run at 60 on Scorpio PLUS looking better in most aspects. Games that run in 60 on both will have way better effects, textures and basically everything else on Scorpio.

However. That doesn't mean game over for Sony. Not at all. They have a key advantage MS can't match. Studios and exclusives. Every single game that will be available for Scorpio will be available on another platform. Unless MS change their policies again (which isn't impossible but lets work with the current situation) there will be ZERO Scorpio exclusive games. At that point it comes down to preference. Does a prospective buyer want his games to look and perform the best they can on console and have "Windows 10 Exclusive games" that may or may not take advantage of Scorpios full potential. Or do they want games that may not look as amazing as whats on the market but also be able to play a MASSIVE selection of PlayStation exclusive titles from some of the best studios on the world. It's all about preference. Both companies have thorns in their sides. Sony can't fully take advantage of the Neo because the PS4 will hold it back, and while i imagine Scorpio and X1 can run the same games with fewer problems (Scorpios will just be running on Ultra where X1's run on medium-ish because they'll both essentially be PC's) they cant really rely on Scorpio's power as a major selling point because unless they can price Scorpio EXTREMELY well the gamer that wants graphics will just shell out for a PC that runs the EXACT same games but probably better as Scorpio's specs wont be as amazing in 2017.

That's my essay over. I hope both companies can resolve the issues I've outlined and produce excellent consoles. I'll be getting both as I'll be able to have the best multiplats on Scorpio and Sony's amazing exclusives on Neo. Just can't stop that Spider-man hype!

[Aenea]

We're going from around a 50% difference to a whopping 50% difference!

It's all relative...

[Babadook7]

"However on Neo and Scorpio the difference is MUCH bigger. we're going from a 0.4 tflop difference to a 2 tflop+ difference in addition to other Scorpio advantages"

Ok. This is not true. Sorry. The difference is smaller between Scorpio and Neo. Due to diminishing returns. I'm talking about the perceived difference. Like if one game was 1440p and the other 40% higher pixels, that would be less noticeable than what we have between 900p and 40% more than 900p. Rather, you would need 2x the power to have a difference equal to PS4 to Xbone.

PS4 1.8432 tflops
Xbone 1.31 tflops
40.7% stronger PS4

Scorpio 6 tflops
Neo 4.1980 tflops
42.9% stronger Scorpio

That's the best case scenario for Scorpio too because the other components will be similar. But the PS4 has other components which are 90% stronger than Xbox like RAM and ROP's and ACE units. If we were to include that the difference between PS4 and og xbone would certainly be greater than 40.7%.

Anyway, like I say each time you double anything there is a diminishing return to perception. The difference is almost the same in capability as PS4 was to xbone (NOT much greater like you said notice the percentages) but thanks to diminishing returns the difference that you perceive will be far less. And most importantly these very similar systems come out at different times and price points. That makes this an entirely different situation from the issue that plagued xbone.

[killer_goat]

Neo is going to destroy scorpio. Fact. Scorpio has no games

[Aenea]

Oh come on, fact? Hilarious!

@Petebloodyonion below (I can't post any more replies, can you believe that!)
Nah, you're seeing it wrong!

Power is more important if you're a Sony fan and the Sony console is the fastest of the two.
Games are more important if you're an Xbox fan and the Sony console is the fastest of the two.
Power is more important if you're an Xbox fan and specs MS is aiming for are better than the rumoured specs of the future Sony console.
Games are more important if you're a Sony fan and are afraid the specs MS is aiming for might be quite a bit better than the rumoured specs of the future Sony console.

Flip-flopping happens in both camps! It's quite funny actually!

[ThatGirlThatGames]

What makes you think developers won't want to produce game for the most powerful console ever created?

[killer_goat]

A smaller fanbase by a massive degree

[ThatGirlThatGames]

Games**

[NotAFanboyyy]

This is what n4g has turned into recently: Xbox one s, which is still a 1.3 teraflop console should be compared to the neo, a 4.14 TF console because the Scorpio is too powerful. I've never seen such a sad attempt to downplay and discredit a system in my life. It Xbox one s had a 2-3x power advantage over the original Xbox one you guys would have something here. But the one s is the same as the original Xbox one power wise with some added features like 4K video and HDR. Get over it.

[RegorL]

Actually I think you should compare consoles you can buy at the same time for about the same price...

PS4 was initially cheaper than XBox One, nowadays XBox One is clearly cheaper. But still does not sell as well.

XBox One S at release should be compared with the PS4, will have some media features the PS4 wont have but will also be more expensive $399

If rumours are correct PS4 Neo will release later this year ($399 - $449) and should thus be compared with XBox One S. (AMD releases of 480 indicates that HW exists making this quite likely)

And then we have Scorpio, can it really release at about $400 when XBox One S released for $399 one year earlier. My guess is $499 - $599 (the higher the more likely). PS4 Neo would see its first price reductions (<$400 for sure).

I am not sure that Scorpio will be the preferred console at this time... and I would expect a Play Station Meerkat announcement, not necessarily releasing for another 18 months... (what goes around comes around...)

[ThatGirlThatGames]

So true.

[Babadook7]

From where did you get 4.14? That's not accurate. It's 4.20. Unless Sony bumps the speed which is possible.

[Petebloodyonion]

Do you want the truth or the N4G reality?

If you want the truth then the answer is no! it doesn't matter and it will never matter because you play with a idea, a emotion and something you enjoy! If power was important then nobody would play with Smartphone, 3ds, remasters. Etc...
Vita would have destroyed the 3ds too.

If you want the N4G reality then power isn't important unless the PS neo is more powerful compare to Scorpio, then Power will suddenly become the absolute.
Proof? 1080P vs 900P (but nobody seem to be making a huge fuss about 4k gaming now).
60 frames per seconds was a must when ND said that it should be a standard but now 30 frames is pretty acceptable.

But again if Scorpio is more powerful, the truth will apply.

[nub_cakes101]

Won't matter. Sony still has better exclusives.

[ThatGirlThatGames]

Not everybody agree's with that but to each his/her own.

[Mithan]

I think it matters less this time around, just because BOTH systems will be wonderful for 1080p, wheras both systems are under powered for proper 4k. That being said, the Xbox will attain at least 4K/30FPS, the PS4 Neo wont, but for 1080p? Both will rock.

[marioJP87]

Ideally, they'll be able to push out more graphic features with 1080P than 4K because of its power demand.

[Mithan]

I agree and hope for that. I want amazing 1080p, not crappy 4k.

In 4-5 years, we will have pretty good 4k, not there yet though.

GTX1080 can get about 30FPS with The Witcher 3 on Ultra, which is a 2015 game.

[Dreadnort]

This generation is in a unique position, Previously Console generations were always playing catchup with PC's in the graphics department. Nw we have PC's and Consoles with more or less identical Graphics technologies, sure with PCs you can always add more polish, (HIGHER AA, AF etc), but from a purely feature set, they can do the same things.

Some I'm sure will agree that graphics technology has slowed to a crawl, the difference between this generation and the last doesn't have that true WOW factor, that we saw between the PS1 and PS2 or PS2 and PS3. That's why I hope that the next gen will be more about performance than anything else. Nobody can deny that games such as Witcher 3, Fallout 4 and Just Cause 3 have been lacking somewhat in performance compared to the PC versions. Everyone was pleased when Rockstar announced that GTA 5 was coming to the Xbox One and PS4, but weren't you slightly annoyed when it turned out it ran at HALF the framerate of PC.

I just wish developers would stop trying to make their games look as pretty as PC, realize that unfortunately consoles DO have their limitations and instead make them perform equal to PC instead. Doom is one of the first BIG games I know of where all three versions run at 60fps or at least very very close. I'd like to see more games like this please.

[dboyman]

I'd rather Sony hold off on Neo till they can retool the specs to meet or surpass Scorpios. I can wait till then...

[ThatGirlThatGames]

Not going to happen, wishful thinking though:)

[ILostMyMind]

But why Sony would cancel the Neo? It'll be fine after all.

[jts1891]

Depends on the price tag. If the Scorpio ends up being too expensive, then the power doesn't matter. The console market isn't friendly to systems with a price tag above $400. The PS3 did abysmally at launch because of how expensive it was, and the Xbox One didn't fair much better.

Personally, I hope both the Neo and the Scorpio flop horrendously. The console market was perfect as it was, with new consoles releasing every 5 to 6 years. It gave developers time to really dig into the hardware and optimize their engines for the best performance possible. This 'mid-gen' crap is just going to result in poorly optimized games for the PS4/X1 if they are actually succesful.

If this actually works out, I'll probably move to PC gaming. If I'm going to have to throw down a couple hundred dollars every 3 to 4 years, then I'll go to PC. The games are cheaper, online is free, and I'll probably still end up spending less on hardware in the long run.

[REDDURT]

No if you got to compensate for the current consoles

[PistolsAtDawn]

Power difference didn't make a huge deal this "gen". So if we are talking simply res/fps...it probably won't make a huge difference....although if we start talking about VR and being able to get TRUE full VR experiences of full games...or if they start using the extra power to expand physics/lighting/ai...etc then YES the power means something.

[a7madRyan]

there is 1 problem for sony if sony new console not stronger than microsoft its if there will ever be an exclusive games for the new consoles yes there will be a big graphic problem but if it just an update 6fps then sony will not have any problem but for the games or software no 1 can make me love xbox games like i cant make every 1 love any sony games

[fromchildren]

Scorpio will save the Xbox brand and will sky rocket in sales in UK and US, that is my prediction.

[killer_goat]

It doesn't matter how powerful the console is. What really matters is games. This is were Sony has and always will be the best at

[nub_cakes101]

Not sure why people are disagreeing with you, you're right. Games matter, Sony has the games. Microsoft does not. Plus, Halo 6 is coming to pc

[extermin8or]

Nope it does not. Why? Because this isn't a new generation. All games will have to run on the lesser hardware of the old models. It actually makes less sense in many ways to make it as powerful as MS have apparently done. All that will happen is some games will likely have leftover processing power unused and/or game developers will optimise for xbox far less because to get a game running at the same level on neo and Scorpio will take less Scorpio optimisation.... So why waste your time and money doing So? Especially when the Ps4 will still have like double the user Base if not more in all likelihood by the time the Scorpio releases.

[Deeke]

It absolutely matters. If the Scorpio uses Polaris + Zen it will be the most powerful console ever built. Microsoft is giving developers a truly next-gen console for the first time ever.

This is like asking if it matters that the Wii U is underpowered versus a PS4. Now it all matters what developers can do with the hardware, of course, but it's going to be a huge leap from what we have now.

[FreeSpeech69]

No it won't matter, Fanboys will swap talking points like they always did. Generation 6- Playstation fanboys: PS2 is more affordable and has better games, Xbox fanboys: Xbox is more powerful. Generation 7-Playstation fanboys: PS3 is more powerful, Xbox fanboys: 360 is more affordable and has better games. Generation 8-Playstation fanboys: PS4 is more powerful and has better games, Xbox Fanboys: but but but TV and sports?

[oSHINSAo]

MS is not dumb by revealing the specs, will they risk knowing nothing about Neo? They are pushing Sony with this and why Sony hasn't say anything about it, Neo is in Developers hands, how are there any VR game right now looking so good? WE all KNOW that the ps4 alone couldn't produce such good graphics, they will look all like ps2-ps3 VR Games, And PSVR will release on October, so it's pretty safe to say the ps4 neo will be release this year, otherwise, the will lose many money rebuilding it, Yes PS4 Neo will be cheaper Than Scorpio, Stop being kids and see the things with a little of logic

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Power differences are real thing but with regards to resolution differences it's completely dependent on your set up for gaming.

[Wotbot]

If the games run and look better then yes, why do you think the PS4 sold so well when it had hardly any good games for its first year and MS had a better Christmas line up of games and a cheaper console? Because it's more powerful and has better third party versions.

[showtimefolks]

it will have the whole market to itself for next 12 months it will sell and build even a bigger lead for ps4

unless we are gonna start counting ps4 neo/scorpio sales separate and xbox one vs ps4 separate. i wouldn't be surprised because ms have this mindset that we will only talk about sales when it's positive other than we just talk about xbox live accounts or how many hours gamers have logged on

take rrod out of last gen and xbox360 looses by 20 million to ps3 even after coming out a year before ps3 and ps3 costing a lot more

so this gen it's nothing new, playsttaion brand is much much more stronger and diverse than xbox and gamers world wide support playstation for that reason

[Babadook7]

The launch date difference is the real difference.

[Christopher]

Does the power difference between PS4 and XBO matter?

There, you have your answer.

[Babadook7]

Power differences do matter. When the two systems come out the same time and the more powerful one isn't also more expensive. There you have your answer. :D

[starchild]

Only then? My PC cost more than my console but its superior graphics and performance definitely do matter to me.

[Babadook7]

@starchild

Sure sure. Price is not the only factor. There are other factors and all of them must be considered. I'm sure you looked at various gpu's for your PC and I'm sure cost was considered. You also could have waited longer for a new model. So timing is an issue there too. See my point? Performance on its own is only part of the equation.

[IamTylerDurden1]

Let's compare the 2 consoles releasing THIS holiday, Neo and XboneS. Microsoft seems to always promise greatness in the future, but never in the present.

What happened to all those

Cloud articles

Dx12 articles

Esram secret sauce articles?

Shouldn't they be bearing fruit by now? It has been 3 yrs...

[nub_cakes101]

Exactly. And even if Microsofts new console is more powerful Sony still has the best exclusives

[NextGenCeo]

399$ For Neo and 499$ for Scorpio. For me both of them will fail. 600-700 PC case will give me more boost, more detail gameplay and more technical advantage over both consoles. Also every single Xbox games on Windows 10 right now! So no way to pay 500$ for just a game console. 600-700$ I can get pretty cool PC case with Amd RX480. And i can play every single game with better resolation and fps than both consoles.

(ESL guy here sorry for English)

[Xb1ps4]

Lol you will be in for a rude awakening..

[blastergun]

Why some people are so concern with xbox games will be playable in pc. Those who like pc games will not likely to buy a xbox anyway. Plus normally xbox consoles are sold at loss to attract more fans base to buy their games. Now xbox games will be available to pc gamers .. mean more sales for M$. .. Xbox games becomes more popular and it will be more attractive for developer to develop games for xbox. WIN-WIN

[microgenius]

Kojima and Naughty dog over 6000000000000000000000 TFLOPS anyday

[ThatGirlThatGames]

Have fun I rather get the 6 flops and the oh so powerful Xbox Scorpio. I'm sure Kojima wouldn't mind making a game for the most powerful console ever created.

[MasterCornholio]

He's not even close to do finishing his PS4 game which means his next one will probably be for next gen systems. Its a bit early to assume that the PS5 will be the most powerful one.

[Babadook7]

I bet he will.*

*ps5

[nub_cakes101]

Why not a pc? I don't understand

[PsVitaBuzz]

Oh I see....now it doesn't matter? This generation so far has been about fanboys slagging of xbox due to 900p etc....but now it doesn't matter? Well.....it does matter, for the casuals anyway...the call of duty and fifa crowd...not only will it attract more third parties but you can bet your lucky balls tables will be reversed just like xbox 360 took everything. HAPPY TIMES

[JMyers]

I think comparing the 2 may not be relevant. The Scorpion seems like a "new console" from MS, while the P4K is still a PS4, but upgraded specs. It would be great I think if Sony launched the 4K next year with higher that the current rumored specs.

[lobocob]

Well it's fair to point out that the neo is coming out a year earlier and Microsoft is pretty much pulling the OG->360 thing where they just go "welp that didn't work, let's try this again"

[ccgr]

Wonder what the price difference will be between the two

[Jyndal]

I've been toying with the idea of purchasing an XB0 to offset my PS4. Seems it may pay off to wait for the Scorpio.

[Artemidorus]

More crap from Trollingbolt, they cannot confirm either consoles full specs.

Admin please remove this propaganda.

[lokirevamped]

I don't agree with the writer when he says we would get a down sampled 4k to 1080p\30 FPS game. The system should know what our TV specs are, the game should run at native 1080p\60.

[illtownNJONE]

Scorpio is gonna be a monster, the 6tf is gpu power.... Total system power is gonna be monstrous

[gedden7]

Let the dislikes happen... It wont matter if you dont have a 4k TV. It wont matter if there's no upgrade in frame rates between xbox 1 and scorpio games. Also can be said about the PS4 and PS4k neo

[joab777]

I wasn't so worried about Neo's slight enhancement simply being a perk for buying a replacement console. Xbox's leap will be next gen and have devastating consequences. There is NO WAY devs won't clamor to creat specificall for it. So I wonder.

Should Xbone just scrap this gen, move forward and take a loss, offering current owners a trade in. They can offer the ability to play all current games on new system etc. It would really put Sony in a bad situation, as well as Nintendo, who probably assumed consistency for 3-4 more yrs. The NX will be quickly outdated.

[masterjedi666]

Lol you just gotta love this post as for the last few years Xbox one has been blasted for being under powered so MS are addressing this and all of a sudden the extra power it's gonna have don't matter???

Ffs they just cannot do right for wrong !!!

[agame914]

Useless article when the neos specs have not even been officially revealed

[filipakos]

To me it seems that ps4 neo is an upgraded ps4 but xbox scorpio is a whole new console in comparison to xbox one

[CaptainN]

I think he under estimates the NX....it will probably be better then Neo spec wise....but not better then Scorpio.

And at least Nintendo is calling it their next gen system, while the other two are just upgrades.

[TheBobster10_]

I just find it annoying that Microsoft seems to be obsessed with getting games to run at 4k. I think their focus should be on getting their games to run at 1080/60, at a minimum. 1440/60 would be nice too. 1080p still looks great, especially when running at a high frame rate.

[ClickbaitAF]

What? Microsoft said the devs can use the 6tflops however they want

[Nathan_Hale53]

No, both will play 1080p 60+fps neither will play 4k any more than 30.

[corroios]

The PS4 Neo will be a cheap machine for all gamers, the PS4 will be even cheaper and the Scorpio will be again more expensive....

I want to see what will some tell when the Neo crush the Scorpio on sales. The average gamer doesnt know nothing about 6 teraflops and esaram and cloud.

The average worldwide gamer know who is Sony and who is Microsoft. Nothing will change that.

The average gamers doenst have a 4k tv not today and not in 2017. The power diference will be just for some with 4k, this means that the power diference wont even make a diference for the casual gamer that have a 1080p.

More i think Microsoft should have waited for the next E3 to drop the bomb and not allowed Sony to change some of the spec, something easy like more ram or better overclock, like Microsoft did with the Xbox one and was able to cut the diference in specs to the Ps4

[PsVitaBuzz]

........they may not know what teraflops, ram etc...but they do know one thing....what they are told....and that will be that the Scorpio will be the most powerful console available....fact. funny that, the average gamer, large percentage of them own ps4 consoles...yet they know what 1080p is and frames per second..

[assdan]

It depends on how much more the scorpio costs.

[ajax17]

Sony owns more AAA developers so it doesn't really matter.

[k0rihor]

Really... How is this even a question? It obviously mattered and still matters between the XBOX 1 vs PS4. So why would it no longer matter now that MS has a console in the works that is obviously more powerful than the PS4 Neo?

[airforcex]

It matters. XBOX's thing is performance. When they forgot about it Sony destroyed them (this gen).

[mkis007]

The unbias answer is power doesn't matter unless something in the game can't be done on older hardware...but then we already know that there won't be exclusive games on ps4 while on xb1 the vr games will be exclusive. This leads me to one conclusion: The Vr experience on xb1 has to take advantage of the power difference.

Think ps2 version of force unleashed vs ps3 version of force unleashed. Power can be helpful in creating new things...but no game has done that since the jump from ps2 to ps3.

[Batosai]

Wonder if Japan will care this time?

[Silly gameAr]

Is it real Rashid? Let's see those spec sheets, unless this is just more click bait, like all the rest.

[nub_cakes101]

Thanks for showing your hand Microsoft, Sony can now counter it...again.