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No Wii Can't: The lack of games for Nintendo Wii

Dave Da Gamer writes:
No Wii Can't

What's going on with the Nintendo Wii? Not since the original Nintendo Entertainment system has the company had a console that could be considered the ultimate Trojan horse. Everyone's got one. EVERYONE HAS A WII. Which defies all logic because it keeps selling hand over fist. Then why is Nintendo happy not enforcing that they are the ultimate in...

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ape0073392d ago

wii are angry nintendo

wii want some damn games

oops no no,we don't want last gen ps 2 standard games

NEXT TIME NINTENDO GIVE US A TRUE NEXT GEN SYSTEM COMPLETE WITH AMAZING ONLINE SERVICE LIKE LIVE AND PSN AND WE WANT A TRUE HD SEQUEL TO ZELDA

AAACE53391d ago

Asking a bit much for a company who doesn't think people care about HD, Graphics, your opinion, etc.

I used to be a big Nintendo fan, primarily a Zelda fan, but after Ocarina of Time... I started losing interest in nintendo games. But once I realized that nintendo was just going to do what they wanted no matter what I wanted... I put them at the bottom of my list of priorities. Yep... they are listed right down there with clipping my toenails!

Idonthatejustcreate3391d ago (Edited 3391d ago )

Nintendo could release 5 different consoles world wide with different specs of CPU's and GPU's and still have made an profit of the Wii console.

But they care to much about money and not enough about the games. Imo Nintendo as a company has changed so much since the 8 bit console got released and it definetly hasn't changed for the better...

Nugan3392d ago

Really guys, this again? Really?

Can't you find new things to diss the Wii about? I'm not even asking people to start writing positive articles about the system. Just please, don't write the same negative article that every other self-proclaimed hardcore gaming pundit has been writing since late 2006.

I know why don't you follow this article up with one about how the Wii has bad graphics... Or, you could criticize Nintendo for abandoning the hardcore game. Oh boy.

VF34EJ253392d ago

Why not? More articles should pop up everywhere, and hopefully Nintendo takes notice.

AAACE53391d ago

People barely talk about Nintendo on here so as long as someone is making a comment... I guess it's good! I am speaking from personal experience. I owned the Wii at one point and was just sharing my opinion about it!

Or we could just go back to everyone bashing Ps3 vs. 360, but that is kind of sickening now! Even though it's fun to play once in a while...

Mahr3391d ago

"Why not? More articles should pop up everywhere, and hopefully Nintendo takes notice."

Why not? Because contrary to what the internet blogosphere has led so many people to believe, there is nothing inherently special or important about their individual opinion or the collective opinion of the like-minded. Particularly when dealing with businesses. I don't mean this as an insult, but Nintendo would have to be insane to base their business practices on articles like this.

I'll try to elaborate: How many of these articles has N4G hosted in the pre-E3 age? A hundred? Two hundred? A thousand?

Let's say there are ten -- or even a hundred -- thousand such articles as these. That represents a hundred thousand people's opinions, alright? A hundred thousand people in agreement over what kind of game that Nintendo should be making.

Now my point is, I've yet to see an argument for why Nintendo should cater to a hundred thousand people when they're dealing with a market that's operating in the order of the tens of millions. Why should Nintendo listen to what is virtually 1% of its entire audience?

See, I look at all these articles saying "Nintendo has great sales but..." and I tend to roll my eyes because people always try to make the argument that good sales are not indicative of good games. Respectfully, I disagree. When I see a game selling like crazy, I don't see that in terms of money -- I see that in terms of *people*. A game like Wii fit sells over five million units, that's five million *people* who were willing to shell out triple digits for a game.

Now, if the game is terrible and all sorts of people are completely unsatisfied, how does one explain away that there have not been five million returns? If Wii Fit is really an awful game or a game that people only want to play once, then it should have *terrible* word of mouth. We should be seeing a massive exodus back to the Gamestores with people saying "I've been swindled, and I want my 350 dollars back!" and I... don't... see that.

I mean, if I spend 350 dollars and I'm not satisfied with the product, then I return it. Especially if I'm someone who doesn't ordinarily play games. I return it, and I take a page out of Admiral Ackbar's playbook and tell people that it's a trap. And if there are five million people who share my opinion, and the entire stock is returned, then we would be seeing some kind of backlash on that level.

So I look at the sales, and when I see high sales, I see a game that's incredibly *popular*. Good, bad, that depends entire upon the individual and his or her personal tastes. I mean, if you hate a game like Wii Fit, then that's your right and you should be able to return it, get your money back, and be free to write all about how you hate it. But a well-selling game is a game that's popular among a lot of people.

Now why should I -- or Nintendo as a business -- disregard this? Why exactly would articles like this be a better method of measuring satisfaction with the system and the games? Why should someone comb through the endless web logs of the internet to find out DaveDaGamer's opinion on its business strategy when they have a much more practical method of obtaining data at their fingertips?

And why should DaveDaGamer's opinion be worth more than the five million satisfied customers? Why should they care about a game's rating on Game Rankings, when Game Rankings is going off a sampling that's miniscule in comparison to the market as a whole?

I apologize if this comes off as harsh, but I think articles like these are not going to fix whatever problems you guys have with the Wii, with Nintendo, or with the world at large -- look at the number of "GET RID OF FRIEND CODES" articles that have been penned since Nintendo went online and then actually look at Nintendo online. Nintendo is not listening because they cannot care less what the so-called "hardcore gamer" thinks because they already know what most of these kinds of gamers think: the Gamecube was not worth buying and games like No More Heroes that are aimed at the "hardcore" crowd are Not. Worth. Buying. There is *no* market on the Wii for games like No More Heroes or Boom Blox or the various FPSes, which is why they are commercial failures.

My issue with articles like this is that -- realistically -- the only kind of thing they are ever going to accomplish in a best case scenario is that Nintendo's PR department will point you in the direction of several of the games that they currently have in development.

dragunrising3391d ago

Excellent response. I actually agree although grudgingly. Its the cool thing to do to hate on Nintendo and I'm guilty of it. My take: Nintendo has zero incentive to release hard core games for reason of past experience. Wii fit sells (and continues to) on account it is popular with the casual crowd. Regardless of the games merits or any other casual game, Nintendo are selling to the masses. They know how to sell and market their own games. Wii music...looks like a Fisher Price game...but will probrably go on to sell millions. The bottom line is...appreciate the Wii for what it is...and play 360 and PS3 for those games the Wii lacks. Problem solved. I have a Wii and still have plenty to play. My collection is as follows: Super Mario Galaxy, Resident Evil 4, Super Smash Brothers, Metroid Prime 3, Okami, Super Paper Mario, Mario Kart Wii and yes...Wii sports. I own a PS3 and Xbox 360 for games the Wii doesn't have. Nintendo fans are used to waiting for quality titles, don't make me remind you of the N64 days...Plus, my fiance loves the Wii.

ChickeyCantor3391d ago

" Nintendo has zero incentive to release hard core games for reason of past experience."

..its what kept them alive...

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Product3392d ago

Agreed.....like i said every week(getting more often lately)there is an article like this.You never see a positive wii article.

jtucker783392d ago (Edited 3391d ago )

I agree that these articles are getting tiresome, but if there is a constant barrage of internet criticism then some of it is bound to filter back to Nintendo. And that's a good thing.
The only way to change anything is to make your voice heard.

Look at Sony. Riding high on the success of PS2 they got sloppy with the PS3 launch. They expected everyone to buy it because it was a Playstation. People didn't buy, so they were forced to raise their game and now they are bringing a much stronger line-up.

Unfortunately for Nintendo they don't realise they're losing gamer support, because those gamers have been replaced with casuals.
For every original Nintendo core fan (like me and half the guys I know) that leave Nintendo there are 10 casuals that step up to take our place.

That's bad, because while the money is pouring in Nintendo don't realise that they are losing the respect of the rest of the industry.
If Microsoft were to release waggle-motes that attach to your feet and all the casuals thought they looked cool and shifted to XBox then who would Nintendo fall back on?
sidar, VoiceofReason and scissor_runner?

You can't leave your original customers out in the cold it will come round to hurt you in the end.
No matter how much money you are making you have to keep both sides happy. You never know when you might need them.

Like I said Nintendo are blinded by all the money they are making. If we don't make our voices heard on the internet then how will they know that they need to raise their game. We're actually doing them a favour. The more sources that write these articles, the better.
Keep these articles coming.

Re: positive articles. There is a reason you don't see many. Can you think of anything positive to report about the Wii except for sales figures and games produced by third parties?

AAACE53391d ago

Besides the system selling extremely well... is there anything good to say about it?

leeger3392d ago

Im sorry Nintendo but even though you sell 300million Wiis I will still not be impress, but that doesn't mean I won't buy a Wii someday. Anyway I really hate what Nintendo did this gen.

Product3391d ago

Unfortunately for Nintendo no matter what they do they will be billed as a "negative" to this gen of "hardcore" gamers,and that includes people who say they are or used to be Nintendo fans themselves.
Its sad to say but its true.I for one dont believe this and ignore most casual games and shovelware and go straight to the games that matter to me the most and which i would have the most fun.Sad how most "wannabe Nintendo fans" cant do that.They are always the ones kicking the Wii when its down(although in sales it never is and that adds to the bashing even more)
The people on this site who say they used to be Nintendo fans never have one thing,not one thing positive to say about the Wii and thats impossible.Even I... who dont liek certain things have to give credit where credit is do is some way.
In short Nintendo never wins with the people who never cared.
Thing is people do complain,nintendo responds and people still hate.
Look at voice chat.....you complain..we get wii speak...people still complain.
Look at "hardcore games"we get Metroid,got the Mario and Zelda....people complain about how the characters are overused..then they say they want another Mario or Zelda title.What??
Look at Motion +....people complain that the controls are just not precise..we get Motion+ people still complain about us getting this tech so late after launch.
Look at upcoming "hardcore"titles...w e get Madworld,Conduit,HotD:Overkill ....all in less then 3 months of each other.......people still complain about how there are not enough hardcore games.
Honestly for the people who are Nintendo fans or used to be,have no room to talk because liek i said your never happy.People would rather look at the shovelware then give the real games a chance,just so they can complain about the casual titles that are bothering them.
Like i said before true Nintendo fans are getting what they want.Nintendo hasnt really changed its approach to gaming since the Nes and if your a real Ninteno fan you can see that.
The only thing that is an issue with me,and i would say is the biggest problem right now its the wii's storage problem.That could be corrected but just focusing on the Nintendo faults and thats it is just childish imo,becuase then your life is coming on here and flaming Nintendo with internet vernacular like "fail" and "pwned".
To each his own i guess but i wish people would just keep to themselves if all they do is complain.

ChickeyCantor3391d ago (Edited 3391d ago )

"Unfortunately for Nintendo no matter what they do they will be billed as a "negative" to this gen of "hardcore" gamers"

And to push more dirt in their faces these gamers also go " They abandoned the "core" gamers ".
Really?
They lost two generations...wonder how one of these gamers could explain that, if they were really supporting Nintendo.
Because support = bigger install base = more developers.

"That could be corrected but just focusing on the Nintendo faults and thats it is just childish "

Exactly, wonder if any of them actually looked at the good things? and the potential this console has.
The thing i really don't like about these people is when they try to argue with you while they admit they only played a view mini games on it...Yeah...

If they want to make a point with these articles they should work together and find a way to convince nintendo, untill then these articles won't work.

jtucker783391d ago (Edited 3391d ago )

"The people on this site who say they used to be Nintendo fans never have one thing,not one thing positive to say about the Wii and thats impossible."
I used to be a Nintendo fan - And I can come up some positives about the Wii.

1)Mario Galaxy is fantastic and one of the best games I've played in this generation and any other.

2) Metroid 3 controlled well.

3) Zelda was enjoyable.

4) Third party developers have some promising games being released.

5) Wii sales are very high.

There you go. 5 positives.

"Look at Motion +....people complain that the controls are just not precise..we get Motion+ people still complain about us getting this tech so late after launch."
I think people are complaining because MotionPlus is what everyone thought the Wiimote was capable of when they first bought their Wiis.
To find out you've paid almost the same price as a 360 for a gamecube and a motion controller only to find out that the motion controller isn't actually a motion controller and is only a waggle controller is bound to p1ss people off.

"Like i said before true Nintendo fans are getting what they want.Nintendo hasnt really changed its approach to gaming since the Nes and if your a real Ninteno fan you can see that."
- You always say this but this just isn't true.
Games wise they are still releasing Zeldas and Marios - true. But their approach with the N64 and the Gamecube was to release a decent console. Their approach this time is to release a cheap out of date console with a waggle controller and give it a high mark up price.
And don't forget Miyamoto wants the next Zelda to become more casual friendly. So yes they have definitely changed their approach.

"Look at upcoming "hardcore"titles...w e get Madworld,Conduit,HotD:Overkill ....all in less then 3 months of each other.......people still complain about how there are not enough hardcore games."

Erm... that is the problem. Within 3 months of each other! What if one or even two of them get a mediocre/average or even (god forbid) bad review?
Now let's look at PS3 hardcore line up shall we?

Mercenaries 2
Pure
Baja: Edge of Control
Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway
Silent Hill 5
Legendary: The Box
Wipeout HD
Motorstorm: Pacific Rift
Midnight Club: Los Angeles
Fracture
Saints Row 2
SOCOM: Confrontation
Rise of the Argonauts
Far Cry 2
Dead Space
Little Big Planet
Bioshock
Eternal Sonata
Fallout 3

Look at the list carefully... Done that?

ALL of these are coming out over the space of TWO months)
Yes, all these are September/October releases.

Your list of 3 games (although within 3 months of each other) is over the space of 6/7 months (Conduit being March next year)

Now, I'm sure that not all those PS3 games will get great reviews. But there are enough coming out that there is a good chance we'll be getting a few decent hardcore titles.
You're putting all your faith in three games over the next half year.
I know which odds I prefer.

Just think, if Nintendo had have made a decent console you'd have most of that list too (a lot of them are multiplatform.) And as games production is getting more expensive it makes sense to have your game on as many platforms as possible ... except you can't because Nintendo refused to join this generation.

You'd probably have GTA4 and Call of Duty 4 as well wouldn't you.

That is why I'm cheesed off with Nintendo. I love Nintendo First Party games, but I don't want to ONLY have them at the expense of everything else.

ChickeyCantor3391d ago (Edited 3391d ago )

"To find out you've paid almost the same price as a 360 for a gamecube and a motion controller only to find out that the motion controller isn't actually a motion controller and is only a waggle controller is bound to p1ss people off."

Here is a Hint.
http://videogames4moms.com/...

Where does the picture say rotation?
=P. Look into the smaller prints.

" Just think, if Nintendo had have made a decent console"
And they did.
Come on even you know Nintendo would have failed if they made a Ps3 counter-part. Even then people would say they are kiddy and that their controller "sucks".
Price would be Higher considering all the other stuff Nintendo makes as an optional extra.

They played it safe but at the same time risky.
Who would have known a motion controller would sell this much?
If not the console itself wouldn't sell because its nothing like the PS3 according to the "core" gamers. The only thing that would make the console sell are the Nintendo games and they would end up with 20million consoles sold.

Also Wii-mote is doing what its suppose to do, It's just developers trying to push to much "realism" on it and thats why it feels inaccurate. And if they do something else its WAGGLE.

Edit:
Ya know, because i own a Wii- it won't mean i'm not going to own a different system allong side of it.
All those games you mentioned...I'm either not interested or will play them anyway.

And you could argue that if Nintendo had made the powerful console i wouldnt need the other console...
But try telling that to the people who own all 3 consoles...
( and i hope i would be one of them soon if i have enough money xD)

edi:Edit:
Read again, The picture DOES NOT show ROTATION. So no 1:1.
Second, a well designed game with well designed control scheme does not have to be "waggle".
Like the new starwars games, its not just shaking the wii-mote randomly.
The controls are doing what they are suppose to do, Nintendo NEVER promised 1:1. I seriously still need a citation from an interview where Nintendo says: Wii-mote tracks your movements 1:1.

" Why would the price be higher? "
So that extra 50$ would have saved the day?
Don't fool yourself even you know that wouldn't save it.
The bashing would continue even if they added hardware for 50 more.

I'm not going to lie to you, in the beginning i did thought it was all that. But then I did some research and learned that it does not do 1:1 full motion. I educated myself by doing research, you can't just blindly follow what a company tells you.
Even knowing this fact i still see lots of potential, because like i said a Well designed game does not have to be "waggle".

jtucker783391d ago (Edited 3391d ago )

"Where does the picture say rotation?
=P. Look into the smaller prints."

I honestly don't know what you're talking about here. But I assume in some low brow form you are alluding to the fact that the Wii-mote does more than just waggle. Am I right?
And honestly the Sixaxis does rotation better than the Wiimote and that is sh1t too. (I like Sony - but I tell it like it is. If something is rubbish, it's rubbish)
Does IR pointer, rotating waggle controller sound any better?
I'll call the Wii-mote whatever you like but it won't include the word "motion". I'll reserve that for the MotionPlus.

Praise where praise is due.
The IR pointer is great. It works well for FPS.
A built in speaker is cool too.

But motion is REALLY rubbish (in it's current state, pre-MotionPlus)

"Price would be Higher considering all the other stuff Nintendo makes as an optional extra."
Why would the price be higher? The current mark-up on the Wii is huge! It's like $50 per console. You could easily give people more value for money for $50. A cheap HDD? Real motion?

jtucker783391d ago (Edited 3391d ago )

"The controls are doing what they are suppose to do, Nintendo NEVER promised 1:1. I seriously still need a citation from an interview where Nintendo says: Wii-mote tracks your movements 1:1."

You're right Nintendo never said "Wii-mote tracks your movements 1:1"

BUT before the Wii's release they hosted an advert on nintendo.com showing NO in-game footage, but an actor swinging a Wii-mote using very precise and sweeping sword-like motions like a samurai would. I.e the sort of things that can't be translated into a game by the Wii-mote.

I was still playing my Gamecube at the time of the advert and after watching the video I thought: That looks awesome. I can't wait for the Wii to come out so I can have cool sword fights.
(That's also when I thought "Lightsabers!")

This was probably a very smart move by Nintendo. The video alludes to Wii games using 1:1 motions, but Nintendo never actually says it's possible. Very clever.
While true that Nintendo never promised 1:1, anyone that watched that video expected it.

"A secret is as good as a lie?" I'll let you be the judge.
But the wool was pulled over the public's and game journalist's eyes without Nintendo promising anything.

Read the Red Steel review on IGN. Even the great Matt C expected 1:1 from the Wii and he'd had early play time with the console.
It was well into 2007 that most of us realised that what was shown in that video wasn't possible.

ChickeyCantor3391d ago (Edited 3391d ago )

"It was well into 2007 that most of us realized that what was shown in that video wasn't possible. "

Early in development UbiSoft already said that there was a "delay" while trying 1:1. Next to that they also said they did not want you to fight as a pro(if i can find the quote ill share it).
Ubi made it clear it was not 1:1. But it seems that people seem to ignore the words that come from developers.

Edit:
No i don't agree, Ubisoft DID know they were just TRYING to see if they could actually pull it off. It resulted in a DELAY, thats why they went for the alternative method. Convert it to 1:1. And thats exactly what we got, the sword swings in the direction you moved your wii-mote at. Just not in 3D space, rather in 2D.
They get a full documentation with their Dev-kit.

Nintendo never really talked about Specs either, because they did not wanted to focuss on that rather on the concept of playing games differently wether is 1:1 or not.

jtucker783391d ago (Edited 3391d ago )

"Early in developement UbiSoft already said that there was a "delay" while trying 1:1. Next to that they also said they did not want you to fight as a pro(if i can find the quote ill share it).
Ubi made it clear it was not 1:1. But it seems that people seem to ignore the words that come from developers."

"delay" while trying 1:1?
So Ubisoft didn't know that the Wii-mote couldn't do 1:1 either? Hence them trying to achieve it.

So you agree with me then, sidar? Cool.

Looks like the devs, and the public and Matt Casamassina assumed 1:1 was possible.
I wonder where we all got that idea from?

EDIT: And Yes Ubi admitted Red Steel wasn't 1:1, but Red Steel was just one game. A lot of people still held out the hope (after Red Steel) that there would be 1:1 with the wii-mote.

EDIT 2: Oh I see, Ubisoft DID know that 1:1 wasn't possible, but they still tried to pull it off anyway. So even though they knew they couldn't do 1:1 they spent enough time trying to do it to the extent that it delayed their product?
Makes sense to me.

PS360WII3391d ago

Presevied reality vs. actual reality

Presevied reality was that Wii would be 1:1 along with that it's full of shovelware unlike any other console ever and is only for children and non-gamers. Games don't sell

Actual reality we all knew Wii was never 1:1 and PS1/2 still has more shovelware then Wii and it has a wealth of great titles one should own if they have a Wii and is a console for the gamer along with the non-gamer which is why it's doing so well. Games do sell.

How long did it take the DS to really take off? A long time and now it's the spot for all developers to gather and make some of the best titles. As far as home consoles go most developers are still going with 360/PS3 which is why you see a lot more "blood and guts" games on those systems. We can only wait and see if they get more games that you yourself are interested in.

ChickeyCantor3391d ago

It actually does make sense, its called prototyping.
You look into it, that maybe it could actually work and you could get something out of it.
Because the Wii-mote does not support full-motion tracking does not mean there is no point in trying something that might look like the real thing.
It's a SWORD fighting game, what do you expect ubi to do first? go with tacked on controls or trying the emulate the real thing?

And I'm Talking about 1:1 as in full-motion tracking.
As far as we know tilting is also 1:1.
The thing is you can do allot with the ACC but the accuracy will suffer from it. So no harm done while trying.

jtucker783391d ago

I need to stop arguing with you sidar and get on with some work...

Maybe Ubi knew, maybe they didn't. I know a lot of people didn't know about 1:1.
(Like a lot of devs weren't aware of MotionPlus this year - see Lucasarts.)

I must admit that MotionPlus has piqued my interest again. And I'll keep my eyes on The Conduit as that looks brilliant.
Really wasn't impressed with Metroid 3, but with multiplayer and better visuals - the conduit could be the one to get.
It will be the ultimate decider for controls versus graphics.

Although I'll probably wait for the new Zelda / Mario before I buy my Wii back again / hire one.

For the time being I'll stick to the PS3.

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