Has Nintendo changed gaming for the worse? Would you agree with this notion?
im never bying the wii(-_-)
the articles notion is a common thought amoung people.
I think that this generation pretty much ruined itself. There was nothing good about this gen. I think Xbox would've stolen the show if everything it had wasn't already available on PC, and Live didn't cost money, but I digress...
No no, I must agree a bit. This whole gen is pretty much disappointing from all corners. I have not lost so much interest ever in gaming as i have this gen and i don't know why.
I greatly disagree. We are still relativly early on in this console cycle and we are already seeing some of the greatest games ever. The next few years and beyond are going to be awesome.
The guy who wrote this is hilarious. I would point out funny parts of his rant but his high school journalism is enough of a laugh for me.
I think nintendo is mostly to blame with a lack of hard core games. I mean people call Mario and Zelda hard core... maybe, but not as hardcore as I like it. Nintendo is blowing the competitors out of the water with no hard core games. Sony and Microsoft will have to do the same thing. Low quality console, low quality games, no hard core games. Our only chance is if that law suit against Nintendo's wii mote is good. Sony may have a chance, with all of their great games coming out, but even the ex-champ is a long shot in this one. To me buying the cheapest console is like buying the cheapest cell phone or car. If you do any research it is obvious why it is the cheapest.
Nintendos cheap console doing well will hold back higher end consoles and the future of gaming. I hope Sony or Microsoft doesn't get soft like Nintendo just to sell more consoles. It would be terrible if there were 3 consoles on the market that had lackluster graphic capabilities, terrible online, no quality software, no new ips just rehashed old ones going on from the late 80's. This describes the wii, and why people are still buying it is a mystery to me. I will never buy one, mark my word.
those who buy wii r those who never play games, or once in every 6 months!! either way wii is doing good thing for industry, my brother hate games, and when he saw from a friend of him playing wii he got so excited but still he will no buy it, but my point wii attarct those who hate the gaming we want which is MGS4,R2,uncharted,halo,gears of war ect!! so its not a waist that they buy a wii instead of ps3 or 36o and then buy just 1 or 2 games and never play them again!! at least wii tries to bring more people into gaming! idea that playing wii u need to move ur hand and body get the non gamers so excited!! beside, ps3 still didnt unleash its full force! let Resistance 2,motorstorm 2, littlebigplanet, eyepet, HOME, killzone 2, God Of War 3, ICO next game etc let them all come out and with good ps3 price point and u will see things much more different than now!! at that time wii sales will die slowly!! of those who bought the wii like gaming, then there is possibility that they will come to ps3 on the right time, specially that ps3 is the best blue ray player and can brows ineternet!!
" mean people call Mario and Zelda hard core... maybe, but not as hardcore as I like it. " Thats the problem, you people have twisted and stretched the definition of "hardcore". Now its just everyones imaginary definition and for that lots of gamers say they abandoned the "core" gamers. Think about it back in the days there was no "hardcore" vs "casual". It was ALL Casual. And hardcore simply meant that you liked to game more than the average person... you could call them Geeks/Nerds. Hardcore today is full of BS. @Snoopg You really that ignorant? Now that Nintendo has proven that motion gaming is solid, Sony could alter these ideas with a powerful console, so can MS and Nintendo themselves. "going" soft is not going to happen.
M$ made it all about the $$$$$. Sony well they Japanese.... enough said XD
Talk about jealous it's too bad that he wasted his money on a movie player,and a gaming system that never seems to work right. Who cares if it doesn't appeal to you millions of others will gladly buy it, and real gaming is not playing the same system over and over with a few new effects......die microsoft, and sony. "im never bying the wii(-_-)" so what the hell are you doing in here you do know this is a NINTENDO page don't you? Go watch your blueray movies.
is watching Bluray movies a bad thing now? cuz using that as an insult is stupid >_> how about you watch your outdated non-DVD playing Wii?
"real gaming is not playing the same system over and over with a few new effects......die microsoft, and sony. " HAHA. The Wii is basically a Gamecube and a gimmicky remote "with a few new effects." Add Nintendo to your die list.
The wii is doing really well right now. I often ask the same question over and about the wii's success. Why do so many people buy this piece of crap? All this thing brings to the table is a cheap price tag, nothing more. First the lackluster graphics for this generation won't cut it in my book. Secondly, its online sucks. Next, its game library is a joke, nothing but shovelware. Lastly, Nintendo hardly ever developes new ips, they use the same rehashed games from the late 80's. The only thing innovative about the wii was the wand, but I won't buy it for that one trick pony show!!!! The cheap thing can't even play a movie and it really needs to cause its games really suck. The wii in my opinion will ruin the future of highend gaming consoles before doing anything good. I hope Sony and Microsoft don't follow this trend in future gaming consoles. We sure don't need 3 consoles doing what the wii is doing now. Enjoy your wii kiddies, but I will support Sony or Microsoft now and in the future.
And yet there are millions of other people that would rather play the same systems with a few new effects, than supposedly a real gaming system. So i guess downloadable games/trailers/demos, movie rental or purchasing, multimedia and good online play/community features are also just insignificant new effects. @7 Sorry sony and ms should never try to emulate nintendo, take a look at the wii then take a look at the ps3/360. There is a significant difference in sonys and/or ms's vs nintendo's attitude about downloadable games, movies, multimedia, dlc, storage, game demos. And even more telling online gaming/community features, nintendo seems to not care the slightest bit about online gaming, aka friends codes and no name system.
" And even more telling online gaming/community features, nintendo seems to not care the slightest bit about online gaming, aka friends codes and no name system. " Simply because they care to much about younger people they don't care about online? Now they have done things wrong with their online system. But seeing how many online connectivity the DS has they know Gamers want online. Their system is still evolving, not saying we will have xbox live on the Wii. But even Nintendo acknowledges that friendcodes aren't the best way to go.
"@7 Sorry sony and ms should never try to emulate nintendo, take a look at the wii then take a look at the ps3/360. There is a significant difference in sonys and/or ms's vs nintendo's attitude about downloadable games, movies, multimedia, dlc, storage, game demos." A difference in attitude that has led to a several billion dollar difference in profit. "And even more telling online gaming/community features, nintendo seems to not care the slightest bit about online gaming, aka friends codes and no name system." You mean, Nintendo hasn't responded to the years of complaintative articles like these, and has instead responded to the actual market forces? I think Keanu Reeves in the Matrix said it best: "Whoa!"
I honestly don't believe that Nintendo is now 'ruining' gaming. I don't even believe one company alone could do such a thing. On the contrary I think it's one of the best times to be a gamer. Why? In this generation of consoles I think there's a wider variety than ever thanks to the fact that we have 3 big companies all vying for market share... and all 3 providing unique experiences. Who provides the 'better' or 'best' experience is up to the individual to decide... but what can be said is that almost anyone can find the games and the console that's right for them. For some it's all 3. I do think the beauty of Nintendo is that they've really almost created their own market. In that way I don't think they're really 'stealing' potential from Microsoft or Sony because they've gone a completely different route. I'll try to explain what I mean a little more deeply. Nintendo has been able to capture a previously untapped (or 'under'tapped I suppose you could say) market by really providing games and a platform that anyone can use. People may look at this and say, "Oh, but developers see how much money's to be made on the Wii with little effort." I don't think there's much denying that the Wii has its fair share of 'shovelware'. Of course that's certainly not ALL it has... but being the cheapest console to develop for and with the greatest install base, it's easy to see why this would be. But how much of that 'shovelware' actually sells? I'm sure that some of it does but I don't believe that those with a Wii simply buy ANYTHING. I'd wager to guess that there are alot of lazy devs who don't turn up alot of profit even on the Wii. With the bad does come the good, however. While the Wii may not quite be in my tastes as of late, I'll say that it's a great platform for smaller developers. Those who might never be recognized on the competing console due to not being able to afford the higher production costs needed can find a home on the Wii and perhaps gain profitabilty and growth. Perhaps allowing them to do bigger and better things in the future. Now in the article it does mention XBLA, and I do think that has potential... but I also don't know exactly how Microsoft runs that service and how much creators are getting back from it. Because if you look at the maker of Braid and how it appears he'll make very little off his creation... you do have to wonder how others are or will be fairing. I admit that I know very little about that... while at the same time I believe that physical media still holds more potential. At least for the moment. Anyway, let me just cut to the chase since I've gotten rather long-winded. The point that I'm trying to make is I believe that the only way Nintendo could 'ruin' gaming is if they were taking hardcore gamers and somehow turning them into casuals. That's not happening y'see. They're simply bringing in new gamers from the casual market who may SOMEDAY grow to be more serious gamers. However, even if they never did... there will always be hardcore gamers... and alot of them. And as long as there are those then there will be companies and developers who cater to them. There will always be a huge casual market and a huge hardcore market. Always. As for those who may not be happy with the direction Nintendo has taken... I can understand because I was once a very big fan of Nintendo. As previously stated, they've fallen a bit out of my tastes (for now at least) but I think that if you can't enjoy the Wii as much as you wish you could then you should simply find another console that targets your particular needs better. No one's forcing any on console on you and I think any gamer can find what they're looking for now. I accept that Nintendo has provided me in the past with some of the greatest, most memorable titles of all time... and while I still look forward to and hope they're able to continue to provide me with those... until those games surface I'll get my fix on my Xbox 360 and PS3. I apologize for talking so much here. :P I just wanted to get my opinion(s) out there as best I could and maybe make some of you see things a little differently. Though I'm not really out to change any minds. I'm sure the hardcore Wii fans have gotten kind of used to it by now... but I feel a bit bad for those who only have a Wii. Not because I feel they're being shafted, but because they have to put up with articles like this all the time. I really am able to see both sides... but I'd like these fellow gamers to get a break here. Alot of negative articles about Nintendo in the last few days alone. Just remember, my fellow PS3 fans, what it was like about a year ago when the PS3 was getting blasted at every turn. Hopefully each console can come to be better accepted for what it is and what it offers.
"what it was like about a year ago when the PS3 was getting blasted at every turn. Hopefully each console can come to be better accepted for what it is and what it offers" my friend the wii is a very different situation than ps3(don't mention the 2 in the same sentence) ps3 was expensive,had very few games,had worse ports,and has so much untapped potential but now it has many amazing exclusive and awesome 3rd party support(wii biggest problem)and the amazing ps network,and still sony has so many amazing games not releasrd yet(lbp,r2,gow3,kz2,motorstorm 2,heavy rain and more) and keep in mind that ps3 has a bright future due to it's powerfull tech and blu-ray disks supported for games on the other hand,the wii 3rd party support is a joke,I mean a lot of crappy games than I can count and what makes the wii worse,that it's A SUPERCHARGED GAME CUBE(IT HAS NO FURURE POTENTIAL)that means awesome multiplat games cannot be seen on wii,like dmc4,cod4,burnout paradise,resi5(capcom was loyal to N,what happened),mercs 2,gta 4,bioshock,bad company and lots of excellent multi plat games even if it has some,they are poor in comparison to ps3\360,see star wars the force unleashed on wii,it looks bland,old,PS 2 LEVEL ON EVERYTHING and it doesn't feature the unique power behind the force euphoria engine or dmm tech,and did you just see how much crappy dead rising on wii? I mean this is 2008,the original which is kick the sh!t out of this bad port was released TWO YEARS AGO,before the wii even released well said my friend and I truly don't think that wii will be something special or it will become better with time cause nintendo released all thier effor(smg was one of best games ever,it's the only wii game that I truly loved on wii,zelda and metroid prime 3 all are fantastic and amazing,amazing but not my cup of tea) and the wii net is service just embarrassing nintendo just depends on casual stuff to sell the wii the problem with wii is nearly everything, its name,its crappy games ,its technology,its online service,the crappy casual stuff,its crappy contrlles that only worked in 2 games mp3,smg,no hard drive,no online demos,the retarded friend code thing,no arcade games(just one game lost winds was decent the other is just a bunch of bull crap just go youtube and watch how much the so-called wiiware sucked,nothing,man the wii is a total failure,one game smg) is not enough and oh my myamotto JUST STATED THAT THE NEXT ZELDA GAME WILL BE CASUALAIZED DOOOOM all I can say nintendo,am sure that retrostudios want to get thier hand on systems like ps3\360,cause rs is like a combaination of the best game developers out there rs has so much potential of making the best game ever I wish they do a sci fi shooter on ps3\360,if they do this,games like bioshock and cod 4 will have nothing against it,I wish they do a turok game,cause most of them were working on the amazing turok 1 and 2 for n64 :(
"even if it has some,they are poor in comparison to ps3\360,see star wars the force unleashed on wii,it looks bland,old,PS 2 LEVEL ON EVERYTHING and it doesn't feature the unique power behind the force euphoria engine or dmm tech" This matters why? I seem to recall there was an article around these parts talking about how preliminary reviews have said the game was pretty much "average" on all three consoles. "the problem with wii is nearly everything, its name,its crappy games ,its technology,its online service,the crappy casual stuff,its crappy contrlles that only worked in 2 games mp3,smg,no hard drive,no online demos,no demos,no arcade games(just one game lost winds was decent the other is just a bunch of bull crap just go youtube and watch how much the so-called wii were sucked,nothing,man the wii is a total failure,one game smg) is not enough" Given that the Wii is currently the most popular gaming console on the market, it must certainly be the most successful total failure in history. @ Tacki- A well-articulated and rational comment? On N4G? Is this a sign of the apocalypse?
" myamotto JUST STATED THAT THE NEXT ZELDA GAME WILL BE CASUALAIZED " ...No he did not, he said he is going to try and make it more accessible to the casuals. Think about it, Motion plus is easier than some button combo's. It would be way easier to swing in the direction you want instead of pressing 2 or 3 buttons. That would be more accessible just like TP and aiming with your bow and arrow. Miyamoto always wanted his games to be played by everyone (including casual people), he wanted that with every zelda game he made. The "problem" was rather the hardware limit( I.E the controller), this limit makes it harder to make it more accesible. Same will go for the Wii-mote at some point he will need to do some things the traditional way. He also said that Some things might change in the new zelda but not much(playing as a wolf was different to, although you changed into a bunny in LTTP but it didnt had much to do with the story). Meaning the concept of Zelda will remain the same with few changes. Isnt he been doing that for years now?
"Nope, instead they can all get away with repackaging old trash as newer, shinier trash and make a quick 50 bucks off of it" This might be the first time that I've heard someone describe Wii games as "Shinier" in any sense. I'm not certain that's an adjective that most people would come up with upon seeing the Wii's graphics. "Here is how I would sum the Wii up in one obnoxious statement: Stupid, brainless, MINDLESS “fun” with s----y games and a hardened dildo for a controller." Yes, and if Microsoft or Sony knew what they were doing, they'd be working to emulate Nintendo and satisfy the world's hardened dildo and fun in quotation marks demand. Also, brains and the human mind are over-rated. "And thus, such a deadly cycle continues to revolve." I should hope so. The more money developers make, the more money they can spend on developing games.
I know smg is an amazing game and even much,much better that r&c BUT to this date no console in history had this much crappy games am sorry N,just open the wii game list on ign,your eues will burn man too bad,n64 was probably my favorite console ever,so many classic 1st and 3rd party games(I'll never forget perfect dark)
i will not put some kind list here, i will let someother guy to that, but, i don't get your point... the Wii has games neough to keep me playing until now, i still dind't finished about 5 of them... and the releases are good if you look at them, maybe not good as the PS3 or Xbox 360 ( i dind't saw the 2008 releases for now) but, until the end of the year there are at least 14 good games coming... i just dind't searched for the right titles man...
Nintendo can't ruin gaming by itself. That's the same logic that tells people humans can ruin the earth, we can't, we can only disturb it enough to kill ourselves. Nintendo can only ruin Nintendo. Hey, maybe that's Miyamoto's new, existential game - Wii Conniption Fit.
Nintendo? Ruining gaming? Hell NAW! It's the fanboys who either a) have not enough brains to take every perspective into account, b) do not have enough dough to get all three or even two of the trio and see it themselves, or c) have sold their souls to whatever company it be, be it Nintendo, Sony or Microsoft. Nintendo by itself cannot ruin gaming; there are almost as much PS3's and X0's combined out there as there are Wiis. Shouldn't that say something, hmm? About the article then. High school journalism at best, I must agree with Product on that account. Also, typical "It's underpowered gimmicky yadda yadda yadda". That's what I call spoilt brat. And I fail to find that many sources to back his arguments. Why the need to defend his system(s) of choice so vehemently? I see that narrowmindedness hasn't disappeared while I was and still am enlisted... As an owner of both Wii and PS3, I must say I enjoy both immensely. Why? Since I'm a gamer. A gamer that can appreciate what I can get.
no arcade games(just one game lost winds was decent the other is just a bunch of bull crap just go youtube and watch how much the so-called wiiware sucked,nothing,man the wii is a total failure,one game smg) is not enough. Wiiware is brand new and is just starting out of course it wont have many good games on it yet XBLA didnt have any good games for it when it first started out either. Why do so many people buy this piece of crap? All this thing brings to the table is a cheap price tag, nothing more. First the lackluster graphics for this generation won't cut it in my book. Secondly, its online sucks. Next, its game library is a joke, nothing but shovelware. Lastly, Nintendo hardly ever developes new ips, they use the same rehashed games from the late 80's. The only thing innovative about the wii was the wand, but I won't buy it for that one trick pony show!!!! The cheap thing can't even play a movie and it really needs to cause its games really suck. If MS or Sony had been around since the 80's they would have done the same. Hell they already are. And as for the only thing being innovative is the wiimote. At least we have something innovative and new about our system same cant be said about the PS3 or 360. And finally its easier for sony and microsoft to have dvd playback or downloadable movie trailers than nintendo because sony is also a movie studio and MS is a computer company outside of the videogames market whereas nintendo is strictly a videogames company and have no push outside of the videogames market.
@Nobodycares your rants more childish then the writer of the original ariticle.So are some others on here.Funny how elitist some of you praise your systems to be.
It is also funny how you and others seem to be oblivious as to some of the things the wii does wrong or is lacking.
Madjedi, People who dont agree with you ,or anyone else for that matter, do acknowledges the "flaws". But they rather look at the good things that is coming from the console. Maybe you should do the same and realize it isn't as bad as you people claim it is. The thing that's really funny? People hate them for the hings they have been doing for years now. These people pretend they are different. Now suddenly all these people "care" about what Nintendo is doing. While in fact these guys never supported Nintendo. "they abandoned the "core" " They lost 2 generations, who left who behind? Talk about hypocrits. more than half of the gamers don't even know what they are talking about. Do you even realize how ignorant lots of people are about the Wii? When you argue with them they end up with " i didn't know that"
If one did some research back to the nes days you can clearly see that,even though times have changed, Nintendo has not. One panicked and the rest just followed and jumped on the paranoid wagon.
I think its because Nintendo have shifted the most Hardware that people have turned against them. Ask yourselves this question - If Nintendo were in last place with console sales at the moment would you still feel negativity towards them? Probably not - Myself and alot of friends are just annoyed that the Wii games dont rate against the best PS3 or 360 games yet people are still raving about it.
How does this junk pass the bar to get approved here? This is just another attempt to moan and groan that Nintendo is whooping the HD consoles this gen. And the extreme fans of these consoles are upset and bewildered as to how this is happening. Just look at the DS&PSP situation, that is a microcosm of what's happening with home consoles as well. Everyone said the same thing about PSP destroying the DS that ppl said about PS360 destroying the Wii. You know what can kill gaming? Oversaturation. We are not experiencing a crash in Videogames at this point in time, but many third parties are in the red..deep red and the reason? development costs for the HD consoles. There is a limit as to what graphics can accomplish in innovation, and we reached it last gen, there is something the industry refers to as a graphics plateau. I've felt a strong sense of deja vu with games that have come out this gen thus far with few exceptions. Even Twilight Princess (GC version) didn't wow me due to the fact that it was just prettier than OoT, and We all got that 10 yrs ago. DMC4, RE5, GTA4, MGS4, CoD4, Resistance 2, Gears 2, GOW3..And Nintendo has a hard time with new IP's? Be fair this industry has sequelitis. Every big game coming out on the HD consoles this holiday is a sequel save for LBP, which is a "casual" title. Maybe its time someone write an article that tackles the oversaturation 360 and PS3 are providing this gen, and how THAT can cause gaming to collapse. But I guess on this site they'd much rather approve articles that are negative towards the market leader.
you all put nintendo down because you hate the fact that its the best!!!!!!!
The Wii doesn't have a harddrive, HD capabilities, or an online service like X Box Live of PSN... ergo, ANYTHING that's wrong with the gaming industry... including the overabundance of SHOVELWARE, a fault that's not Nintendo's... but rather, the game developers who MAKE the shovelware... is Nintendo's fault. There's no "hard truth" anywhere in this blatant LIE. And if you're gonna disagree, at least have the decency to explain... who knows, you might actually convince me of your opinion, but I doubt it.
hardcore you idiot.
Its the old people who are now playings games are the ones ruining it. They're sudden surge in gaming has created a new casual market thats making us hardcore gamers wondering if we'll ever see another "good" game on the Wii since SSBB. Nah, no big deals. Games are games. There will always be room for hardcore gamings on other systems. And some of these casual games aren't too bad either...well a few of them...
its not just them, its the "core" gamers too. Zack and wiki? No more heroes? Okami?(even on the PS2 with a 120m. user base it sold CRAPPY) Why didn't all those "core" gamers supported these games? Then it could have easily go over the 4 million mark. Core gamers say there are no good games simply because they don't support them on the Wii in the first place. I hope The conduit will sell allot, and those other traditional games and make other developers realize there is a huge potential for a library full of variation.
why these articles keep coming? it seems that this gen ppl waste their time seeing market share percentages and review scores more than playing... it appears that this gen, ppl don't like to play, they only get on the net and flame each other...
These articles keep coming because people truly are not happy with gaming right now. It has a been there done that feel. Then on top of that some paid lots of money to to other things with their console rather than game on it. It's only a matter of time before the distraction becomes frustration because you bought something to play games on. Yet they keep giving you that same thing. There are lots of problem for the hardcore to deal with this gen yet it's their own fault as a group because they let webs sites speak for them. They let magazines speak for them. I mean nintendo going for the blueocean has nothing to do with them and it's not going to stop shooter makers from making shooters. Yes the industry is full of copy cats but only some cats are good at copying certain things. No one is making a Wii sport killer I'm sorry. Unless they are just simply skilled at making any type of game. Seriously there is a lot of anger in gaming right now because most gamers are treating a hobby as if it is sports. Rooting for one side because they where the champions or either because you like the color of their jersey. Truthfully the fanboys are made at the Wii because it's not a toy(adults use it and even try to loose weight with it) any more it's not just for kids(elders love a motion controller and retro gamers in their late 20s play it for the VC) and 3rd parties have a good reason to make games for it now( it is crushing the competition and nintendo is being classic nintendo by not putting out a halo killer of their own. that up to the third parties). You guys are simply not having fun any more. It's more about reveng..like wait till I see that one guy online again I'm going to get him!
Wii hardware sucks, their online gaming sucks, everthing bout it sucks
The only way that the Wii ends up hurting game is if the 3rd parties never show up to the party. I mean the 3rd parties that make the other games like the ones we want to play and did play on the PS2 and 1 and before even. Imagine what a SONY console would be like with out 3rd parties? Imagine a MS console with out 3rd parties. Then see that the games on the PS1 and 2 where games that did not even follow what the console maker where doing. An artist can not create if he only thinks about money. More companies are stepping up but the big guys will take a while. I have to ask did the DS ruining handhold gaming? It not only beat the PSP but it beat the GBadvanced. Then what did we get a friggin contra remake just like the old school ones that rocked! I've had a Neo geo and a PC engine (for a short time) and that was the future I wanted. 3d was cool but 2d has so much untapped potential. Then came the saturn which was the HD console of 2d games. If got some pretty good support but died because of huge cost of production and overly complicated chip design. The HD console are not a saturn right now simply because they made those console about other thing loosly geared around console gaming and of course the loyal fans that only know SONY or XBOX. The Wii was ignored even after the first year by so called hardcore gamers. Part of the problem is what you guys fear. Gaming catering to only one type of person. To say your console is only for hardcore gamers makes it a failure. This happened to nintendo with the N64 and GC. It was only about the hardcore while the PS1 and 2 had a real E for every one feel because one title was not trying to be that E for every one. This happened because of abundant 3rd parties. Hell I even got a PS1 and 2 after they started catering to what I want at a price I wanted to pay for it. This get me to my real point. The gamers of this gen mislead SONY and MS. I know it sound naive but they made a system for the hardcore thinking that this was what all those gamers from the previous gen wanted. I mean come on WE are console gamers that automatically means we want it cheap and affordable other wise we are PC gamers. I really think the only thing keeping the HD gen alive are relapsed PC gamers. We wanted a PS3 with out blu ray then it would have been like $300 dollar at launch. I would have gotten one right then in there because that what I pay for low end PC graphics, which currently would be $120 for PCs. Yet the Wii is not restricting a manhunt madworld and it's not going to ask you for $500 just so you can play it. Yes the graphics could be better and I would say the same for HD gaming since PCs do HD way better. You guys are trying to build the case that nintendo is stirring the market which is only true if the 3rd parties choose not to show up on this system. They would pretty much seal their own death as the cost rise to excite the HD crowd about your up and coming game. The funny thing is this all happened on the PC a few years ago. People stopped trying once crysis came out. If any thing was not as good as that game then it was automatically seen as not worth your time. Most people at this site have the same attitude. If it is not HD console like graphics then you can not play it. This limits what a company can make for you because every thing and style can not use normal maps and lots of shaders. What is bad for gaming is all of this ignoring of a system simply because it is not as powerful. This is on the side of the publishers and the gamers. I always though that gamers would love to share there games with others. Yes Wii sports was made for the hardcore also even with it's simple graphics. If you've ever seen a match of good Wii sports player play the laser hockey then things start not to look as casual. The tennis maybe not. You see a simple game like checkers to chess is about skill. You have to admit some of those Wii sports games do have a lot of skill in them. Maybe they don't have cut scenes and shaders but they embody what games and gaming is about skill building and interaction not just watching some thing unfold. If you think gaming to watch a movie is good then I hope the Wii does change gaming. It you think gaming is all about effects then I hope the Wii changes gaming. If you even thing that gaming is about bragging about having an HD system then I hope the Wii changes gaming. I like the fact that every one can game again. The only problem that truly killed gaming back in the day was wastful thinking and greed thinking some thing would sell just based off of it's fans or shall I say fanboys. When ever any thing does not gain new customers then it will die soon. You don't get new customer by only catering to the vocal. You don't even get success like that unless you send lots of money on ads LOL. Gaming should be about ads space though it should be about word of mouth and people excited to try some thing out. I'm sure when HD producing chips can be sold in a 250-300 box at launch then the Wii will have them. Any time before that would be alienating part of your consumer base in order to impress a small bunch that did get that second job or was just wowed buy the graphics. If you are mad at the Wii then why are you not mad at the PS2? Oh I forgot 3rd parties... so why so serious? It's not nintendo's fault the third parties where only listening to the vocal few. Out of 18 or so PS3 only 3 million sold hey my number may be off but GTA sold a similar ammount on each system. I mean it's starting to seem like there are only 3 million console gamers on the HD system due to a buyer cap appearing on many titles. For such hardcore games only the PC like games are selling HALO 1-3 and good ol epic's games that are new of course every one simply got tired of UT2004. Also if your not going to get a Wii then good for you! I may never get a HD console since I play every thing I want from them on PC anyway. It's not that I hate HD console they simply just don't get the job done the way a PC does.
well put....although i still play my unreal 2004. Ill agree just yesterday i was telling my friend how i was getting Tiger Woods 09 for wii.I also told him how they finally got it to almost exact 1:1(without precise draw and fade but swing wise).The wii version has online plus,career,and alot of pick up and play "mini games".I told him that he should come over and check it out after i got it to see how great the controls were. He said "yea and if i like it i might buy it for PS3,the visuals would look sick".<------thats the exact quote. This blows my mind,my friend would rather play a golf game on the ps3 then the wii because of the visuals............. Thats what is hurting gaming is that mindset.the HD crowd almost threw up when they saw Megaman 9 8-bit graphics,when if they played a megaman 8-bit game they would know its harder then any current game made this gen.Your right about the Crysis analogy,people see a great looking game and if any game comes after it,it must look better to draw any attention.You also notice that more time is going into graphics then the time it takes you to beat a game?You remember how many tries it took you to beat Contra?Ive noticed that even though memory in consoles have sky rocketed since the nes and snes that it still takes about as long to finish a game as it did back in the day.
It's really sad though. I mean PC gaming sort of killed it self. I still play lots of games on it but people automatically say they can not run it. LOL you friend needs to come over and play some conduit online. I have friends like this and they just want to act elite all the time. You should ask him to rent or buy a whole mess of blu-rays and then leave when your cell phone rings LOL. That would be mean but really let him come over and try the game out. Be sure to get use to the controls before he comes over. I find the "hardcore" gamer isn't that great at learning controls fast. I have some games on the VC I know I may not beat LOL but they are still fun. Most games back then took more skill also. They will come around once the games start popping up. It's going to happen almost like the PS2 or better yet the DS. Another thing is your friend may be more into tiger woods if he was a real golfer. So don't be too hard on him ok.
as long as garbage like carnival games and cooking mama keep selling alot, publishers will continue to give out crap as long as they profit
"Nintendo struck gold with their Nintendo Wii and found a formula that works: games for everyone. Old people, fat people, white people, black people." Sony found the party formula b4 nintendo... PS2 was a console for everyone... Wii isnt because it excludes the hardcore
"Sony found the party formula b4 nintendo" Sorry but in my eyes the first party console imo is the n64 due to it having games that allowed 4 player support without buying a muli-tap.
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