Sales of under 500,000 machines so far show an utter lack of market demand.
Any Windows based PC that runs Steam games is a Steam Machine as well. And there are hundreds of millions of them in the wild already so the demand for these Linux based Steam Machines was always going to be very low. Honestly, I am quite surprised they even sold 500, 000 units of these Linux based Steam Machines.
I don't think valve had high expectations in terms of sales either to be honest I think it was mostly just the media coming out and saying steam machines are going to kill console. Most people who are pc gamers already have a PC. To me 500,000 is pretty good in all considering. Honestly if valve really wanted to make a killing they would try to strike a deal with either Microsoft or Sony or Nintendo or even all three and have it so they can have their OS on the system. Not that they aren't already making money with its current install base.
Valve barely has any skin in the game when it comes to Steam Machines. It is all the PC manufacturers that made these. All valve did is specify some specs, work with some partners to push the product. THen they made a controller and a streaming box. Done!
valve tried to push linux gaming and it's not doing very well. most people game on windows which is why microsoft is going more in that direction.
@Nitrowolf2 they didn't even release their own version of a steam box.
Where are these stupid articles saying that Sony MS and Nintendo are in trouble?
Steam Machines/SteamOS is just a fallback plan in case Microsoft decides to go full-nuclear with Windows 10 in the future. It's good it exists outside the domain of Windows gaming, but yeah, there obviously isn't much of a market for these. They're good if you want an off the shelf low-form factor PC for your living room, but building your own machine will always be the way most PC gamers do things.
Actually, I think that was Valve trying to kill Windows. Obviously that is far from happening as Windows keep going like a bullet-train.
@donthate25m ago [Actually, I think that was Valve trying to kill Windows. Obviously that is far from happening as Windows keep going like a bullet-train.] Why in all the world would Valve try to kill off windowsOS? This is now they have both PC Platforms OS, WindowsOS and Now LinuxOS gaming with Mac included Valve now services all the PC system OS's for gaming. Valve can now increase even more Adoption to now sell Software to the Gamer on yet another Platform, why would Valve not do that. Why would Valve kill off a large platform that generate vast capital for Valve?
I agree with donthate. Valve is projecting long term to set Windows on the backburner for gaming. Why ya think Microsoft is merging its future Xbox games with Windows? To keep some gamers on windows. The market is about to muiltiply. SteamOS, Windows are just two contenders. Over the next 10 years Steambox sales could accelerate just by having the cheap option. Google and Amazon have intentions. Steambox like designs with Andriod/ChromeOS or other OSes could pop up pretty fast in the future. IF THEY GAIN MOMENTUM and its only If.
Microsoft appears to want a "One Windows to rule them all" attitude with their push to basically force users to upgrade from either Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 to Windows 10. This would not be that bad since you do get a free upgrade, however! I downloaded the Windows 10 ISO (about 4.5GB) to my Linux (Fedora 23 if you are interested) Desktop and installed it in a virtual machine (base install size is 9.4GB). This way I have control over what the install can actually do. I actually do this for any x86_64 operating systems which include other versions of Linux, SteamOS and Android. My take on Windows 10 is that has a quite nice GUI if you like a combination of Win7 "start" menu and Win8 tiles. It has limited customizability compared to Linux GUI's however, it does get the job done. What I did not like about Win10 was it's phone home features which are turned on by default. Sure you can turn off a small portion of those "features" in the Security setup however, you need to go into the registry to tighten up the security even more although you do need to master the black arts of Arcane to do that. Fortunately, there are some third party tools to do just that, assuming you trust those tools. Even if you do manage to lock down your Win10 machine some of your settings may be reverted with any updates which Microsoft will push out with little if any warning. A sort of chicken and egg scenario with Microsoft controlling the roost. Lovely OS if you don't mind everything you do being sent to Microsoft., after all, we know it's for our own good. /s @donthate No, it's the other way around, Microsoft is slowly by stealth trying to kill off Valve, Steam, etc. They would even try to kill Linux if they could since we all know that it is an Un-American OS and a Communistic conspiracy anyway /s. Don't believe what I just said! That's fine but there are many criticisms on the web being made on Microsoft's push for Win10 and it's security, or lack of security, but it does pay to be forewarned.
Very true. I have a gaming pc i built from the ground up a few years back, but i purchased a low end (i3) alpha console for my game room, and it actually does really well. I put another 4gb of ram in it, so it has 8gb total, and most games run well on high settings. My kids have gaming pcs in their rooms,but if they decide tbey wanna go in the game room and log into steam and play in there they can. I like it for what it is.
Valve trying to kill Windows? Lol now that's funny. Valve makes too much money. They don't need to do that.
@FasterThanFTL1 Exactly, anyone expecting large numbers of the SteamOS base system's selling in large numbers , than just loading the 100% free Loadable SteamOS , is very unrealistic. Existing PC gamers now have a free GamingOS now that is geared 100% a PC gamers OS.
sold, normally does not mean sold to customers. It means, that many of those are waiting for a customer to get bought. And the article states, that sales are under 500k. So not even that mark has been hit yet. But who cares, the best steam-machine is the PC under the table, I really like the idea of steam-link, but that must still evolve a bit more. Xbox one streaming quality is really good (most times), I hope they can reach this quality soon (the lag of xbox one streaming is almost not existing).
I do hope Microsoft opens streaming from Xbox One to PC without the need for a router or network. PS4 can do it. Why not the Xbox One? The results from going to a direct connection versus a network connection on PS4 is pretty evident. I'd imagine it would be on Xbox One as well.
You're right, that's the biggest problem. There just aren't very many games on Linux compared to Windows. Who is going to want a Linux based machine when the overwhelming majority of games are on Windows?
@starchild4m ago [You're right, that's the biggest problem. There just aren't very many games on Linux compared to Windows. Who is going to want a Linux based machine when the overwhelming majority of games are on Windows] [Who is going to want a Linux based machine when the overwhelming majority of games are on Windows] Well now with SteamOS Linux Gamers now have a viable option for good quality new games that were only Windows OS only, can now get those games Also now.
Things can and always do change few years ago there where no games for Linux. Mac OS, Android/Chrome and steam OS are all a form of Linux. I wouldn't discount a future where Linux gets all the same games as Windows.
Depends on the games you are interested in. I have a Linux desktop and I can run Windows games under Win10 which in turn is running on a virtual machine. I can even run many Windows games under compatibility software like "Wine". The thing is I don't trust Windows 10 since it really tries to phone home. Yes, you can turn most of that off if you know how but most Windows users have no idea. So to all those users of Win10 enjoy your targeted adverts and virtually nonexistent privacy. @Magnes Android has a Linux kernel, however, Mac OS is actually based on a Unix (BSD) kernel. Chrome, on the other hand, is a web-browser.
I totaly agree with you.Im also surprised of how many units they sold.
Microsoft is the only company that is in the position to create a living room PC/console hybrid. Anything else would be seen by average joe as another console... one they've never heard of, and with no brand recognition as a result. Microsoft has Xbox, a well known brand, already in living rooms. They also have PC on lockdown, with a near-monopoly status there. So, if they were to promote a powerful console that also was a PC, add in a slick UI that simplifies doing PC tasks in a console environment, make it play actual PC games (as in, can put them in your PC and play them too) across the same network as actual desktop/laptop PCs, let it connect and seamlessly integrate with all other windows PCs in the home... then they could pull it off. All Valve had to bring to the table was Steam... which is a great service, but in the end they were just another console. Not powerful enough to attract the PC gamers, and no brand recognition to attract the average joes.
5 dollar HDMI cable to the TV from your laptop is much cheaper.
Still need a gaming laptop.. The min GPU on steam machines > 960M by a lot. and the min model costs < $500. You'd need to spend $700+ on a decent laptop with 960m, however I think the CPU will be better, but still not enough to warrant how much better the GPU is on the steam machine.
"Steam machines will kill consoles" Lol memebr the influx of those dumb articles we had?
I don't remember any.
I'm going to have to agree, I don't remember that either.
Yeah, they were out there
Yeah, there definitely were a few articles posted here saying things like that. I don't think anyone is going to care enough to fish around for those articles now though. I even specifically remember one saying Steam Machines would force PS4 and XB1 out of the market. It was a ridiculous claim yes, but it was made nonetheless
These three stories should help you lot jog your memory: http://n4g.com/news/1696242... http://n4g.com/news/1816520... http://n4g.com/news/1430651... Edit: @Ashlen The general consensus among the gaming community at large was that steam machines were of no threat to console gaming. That said, it didn't stop some websites coming up click bait titles. @gangsta_red I was misinformed? You are disingenuously pontificating again. @Donthate Did you create the gif? Good stuff regardless.
@Genuine-User If you take the time to read those you'll see that they are written very skeptically. I mean every one of those articles has a ? at the end of the title. I don't think any of those authors thought that Steam Machines were going to eliminate consoles.
@genuine Ashlen is right, and I hardly call three articles that ask a question of *could?* an "influx" of articles and none of those articles actually say Steam machines WILL kill consoles. But you can definitely read a lot of comments from folks in those links who were just as misinformed about the articles as you were. @Godmars Leading the charge of Steam machines killing consoles? I really want to see those links of that please!! @Donthate I see one link that actually says "will kill consoles". Hardly the influx.
Funny, could have sworn the likes of you and Ashlen were leading the charge...
Wow Goldmars I encourage you to find even one comment by me that says Steam Machines were in anyway even remotely going to kill consoles. I will give you so much breathing room as to say if you can go though my comment history and find even one comment that even half implies they were a good idea I will personally tell you you are the "winner". Let's be honest it's a pretty bold statement to even claim you remember my posts from a year ago but I'm going to tell you flat out the only comments you will find me saying about them is "what's the point it's just a PC" and a "Steam Machine is just a pc what's the point?" But as I seem to be a popular person to contradict around here, so I eagerly await your proof! P.S. i'm flattered that i'm in your thoughts though, wanna date? lol
@Bruce I'm just going to tell you flat out I don't like you, You're one of those name change people who got a bad rep and changed their name. I don't have any respect for you. You argue with me just for the sake of argument. There is a difference between "Are they going to win? and "They are going to win!" Don't try to bring semantic BS into it. I'm done arguing with you here and most likely in the future.
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@Genuine-User Three Articles is hardly a "influx" and none of them broke 300, that's probably why nobody remembers them lol.
Unbunch your undies gents...or ladies. Just know given what the internet is somebody someone became a devoted fan of something which had little to no real chance on the commercial market despite it's associative brand name. Just like sites wrote articles promoting them. Where does the phrase "undies in a bunch" come from anyway?
So many loony articles hyping it up as the 'console killer' lmao, look what happened, people saw sense that they've already had 'steam boxes' called PCs and could hook up a hdmi from it to their TVs
There really weren't many articles, if any, saying these Steam Machines would kill consoles. The vast vast majority of people knew they wouldn't kill off consoles. Most people to whom PC gaming appeals prefer to build their own custom PCs. That's one of the most enjoyable things about PC gaming for many people: that you can make it your own --customize it to your own tastes and preferences.
consoles kiled themselves.
The Numbers of All of there total sales would disagree.
Lack of market demand.....more like, There was no market in the first place. Steam Machine didn't bring the best of both worlds, its bring the worst of both worlds. Didn't had the flexibility of a PC, didn't had the ease of the Consoles. It is stuck in purgatory somewhere.
Wait unit E3 ;) MS has a surprise for us.
An affordable windows-based pre-built PC could gain some attention. I still think one of the biggest problems facing the Steam Machines is that they were stuck with Linux, which has limited game support.
Exactly Star Child...don't get me wrong Linux is a good open source operating system but has miles to go before it reaches Windows install base. MS will surprise everyone with the XB1 Steam machine hybrid.
It's definitely possible the Scorpio will be a Steam compatible machine.
Steam Machines were DOA... Most people suspected it. Even Valve wasn't confident about Steam Machines, that's why they didn't invest specifically in the hardware, instead letting other companies like Alienware take the risk. Steam Machines were just way too confusing to the average user with way too many different hardware configs. The whole thing was a mess from the get go.
Don't forget, some were cheap but you got cheap parts. To get the good version u had to drop hella doe
Also the good ones were like $1200.
Steam machines were dead in the water 6 months before they came out. Valve dabbled in the notion of them but never intended to do more than try and push a movement forward with as little support as possible. All Valve cared about was getting other PC makers to build boxes on their own dime and put the Steam OS into the system ensuring it basically would push their storefront. This was 100% a Trojan horse move by Valve to trick the industry into putting Steam Store as the primary store and push more software sales.
I never thought about that way. That actually makes a lot of damn sense too. Not just that, but why did they even make Steamlink, a $50 gadget that can do 90% of what Steam Machines were mean to do just to assist the flop of steam machines even furthur?
Should have just done a console and struck when Microsoft had that awful Xbox One reveal to see if they could take their place. Missed opportunity They could have have cross play with PC Steam users and offered mod support first like for example have an option for games like Skyrim on their console to visit the Nexus on their console browser to choose which ones to download.
i remember my neckbeard friend stating that steam machines would be a huge success... who's laughing now?!
I remember my console friends saying consoles would kill off PC gaming. Instead PC gaming has grown by leaps and bounds. Who's laughing now?
Probably the people that don't take other people's choice in toys so seriously...
Yes, because that's totally what sadsatan was doing in making that comment. You're probably one of the people that agreed with his comment, but then turn around and take issue with mine.
Did PC gaming win something?
PC's that were more expensive than PC's. Anybody with half a brain cell knew these would flop. Heck, even the marketing of them were awful...i didnt even know they had been released.
Never understood who these things were being made for
Store.steampowered. com The selling of Steam Machines was not the main Goal, The steam store Adoption rate increasing with the 100% Free GamingOS was the real point. are gamers really overlooking that big point? You can make your very own Steam Game Console, as long as you have the main hardware requirements Again, if you already have a PC that meets the min system Requirements of a steamOS machine you would not have to buy one of these! You already can use the same PC hardware you already have , Download the SteamOS for free and load it on to your Existing PC hardware. http://store.steampowered.c... The purpose is to be able to use PC hardware itself and through loading SteamOS to make a Gamers OS for PC's for the living Room environment. Valve is doing this mainly because Microsoft through windows 10 online market store is most likely going to take some publishers and developers works from being distribution from Steams online store over to Microsoft's online store for PC software distribution. Due to Windows 10 UWP store & App online distribution model. Valve wants to make sure they will have a set in place OS for gamers PC's that the Steam store can still support if Microsoft's own store takes away more and more new released PC software going to Microsoft's store instead of Steam. Thus the SteamOS!
Stick with making games Valve.
Most of them weren't cheap either.
Who does not know that? The worst idea I've ever seen. But it's a option.
Well anyone with a decent enough PC wouldn't bother with one of these anyway, you can build powerful mini PC's that are small enough, no not quite console sized but more aesthetically pleasing than a mid/full tower at least near your TV. But you are kinda limited with a smaller case, less cooling, more heat etc.. But still moderately powerful. I like to add/change stuff whenever i like in my PC, so I'm pretty comfortable with a full size case even though i don't quite need all the space in there, yet at least. Saying that my Noctua NHD15 takes up a ton of space, but it's worth it for the cooling it provides.
I love my alienware alpha which is about the same thing with Windows instead of Steam
Build your own Steam Machine SteamOS is our Linux-based operating system. The base system draws from Debian 8, code named Debian Jessie. Our work builds on top of the solid Debian core and optimizes it for a li ving room experience. Most of all, it is an open Linux platform that leave s you in full control. You can take cha rge of your system and install new softwar e or content that you want. Installing and Customizing SteamOS What are the SteamOS Hardware Requirements? Processor: Intel or AMD 64-bit capable processor Memory: 4GB or more RAM Hard Drive: 200GB or larger disk Video Card: NVIDIA graphics card AMD graphics card (RADEON 8500 and later) Intel graphics Additional: USB port for installation UEFI Firmware (recommended) We can see, many thinking oh' steam console's are flop's.. Well keep thinking its a flop. But its not like Valve is just going to stop producing and stop production support for the SteamOS. Because its all about the steam online store. So as of now not only does Valve now have Windows 10 and other Windows OS legacy support on the steam store. And now Valve has made a viable Linux gaming PC platform instead of really no other main publisher supporting a Linux alternative to just mainly gaming only on the Windows OS. Now a Linux OS based gaming PC is more Viable now because of many companies that now support the Vulkan Graphics Api and Valve among other companies investing into such.