EA CFO Blake Jorgensen detailed how successful the company is in the digital market.
"EA makes $1.3 billion a year off of extra content, according to chief financial officer Blake Jorgensen." HOLY MOLY! No wonder we see 50$ Crap Season Pass from them, as long as they keep making that much money, it will never stop.
Unfortunately it seems that it'll just never stop. There are more people about there with more disposable income than common sense.
Yup it's also why we get call of duty and sports games every year, microtransactions and broken games at launch.
At least we can do our part by not buying into this crap. I can't believe they make a BILLION from "extra content" alone while also being stingy with the main content of their flagship titles. Battlefront was missing so much stuff compared to it's 10 year old (!) predecessor it's ridiculous.
So wait. If someone likes a game and they buy extra content because of their enjoyment of said game - they automatically have no common sense? Childish attitude.
I know how awful is it to have more content for game post release /s. I think many of you need to sort of settle in with the reality that you were never going to get this content if it wasn't going to be charged for in the first place. @thekhurg- agreed people need to stop trying to force others to think one way with what they want. gaming is subjective if you don't like the content merely don't buy it it's that simple but if someone likes a game and wants to support its post-launch content that is completely up to them to do so. And some of you legit need to stop with this "we" bs as you guys don't speak for hundreds of millions of gamers. I don't get the concept of people bashing other gamers for purchasing things they like. As if as a consumer I shouldn't support the value menu at McDonalds simply because others can afford it and want it to be $0.01 and I am just so horrible for not going with their stupid agenda of fighting the man... That is the level of stupidity that we have on here with this situation as people seem to want everyone to not purchase anything with this strange idea that the companies would just give it away for free the majority can afford it the majority buys it so if you're in the minority stop telling others how to spend their money simply because you don't have any. Buy what you want spend the way you feel what's strange is I've never seen anyone who supports post-launch content fight and make a big deal and tell other gamers that they should buy DLC or season passes I've actually seen the opposite of those who oppose it. No one is telling some of you to buy it so why are you telling others not to? No one is calling consumers clueless who don't purchase post-launch content so why are some of you calling consumers clueless that do?
@_-EDMIX-_ Your what EA likes to call a "blind goldmine" Get it? It rhymes
I saw this crap coming from a mile away well to be precise since Mass Effect 2 which was the last EA game I bought. And the thing is they're only getting started. Now that Denuvo is stopping piracy and people are switching to digital which EA has full control over you can only expect to get less for your dollar in the future. Way to go gamers we did it! Or... you did it... I've been trying to tell people their sales model was a trap for years.
Don't worry guys this is just the start ;-) Soon for 60 dollars we will be getting the title screen and brightness options only, then we'll pay more piece by piece every few months until we get the full episode, at that time extra DLC/season passes will be available in between the game's episodic release, fast forward a year and 150-200 dollars later we will have the full game. Unfortunately for us and fortunately for the publisher it will be time to move on to the next game by then. I might sound a tad pessimistic but think about it this before you tell me I'm overreacting: Aren't all these recent trends and anti consumer policies we've been forced to accept in recent times the future? Will EA and other give up on billions they already made just to make gaming the way it should have been for us? Shouldn't we act now that we still have the chance? Stop giving your money to corporations that have a proven track record of milking their customers. Or face the consequences.
Games today are sold like drugs: a sample for 60 bucks and if you want more, the normal 120USD dose will be available "soon". But then again, if it sells so well it's difficult to limit own profits by not doing it that way. I mean, it's not the AIDS cure to be available for everyone in need. Oh, wait.
@hay What a load of horse crap. Games aren't sold as samples. Not at all. Whine and moan about Battlefront all you want, but it's an exceptionally fun, well made game. Providing hours upon hours of enjoyment for people playing it. Servers and gamemodes are highly populated (at least on the PS4) and there's always something to do. Get over yourself and this selfish attitude that everything should be for free.
I agree, let them make their content. Why wouldn't you? You want money, everyone does. Saying to not maximize profits is crazy. People purchase content and then extra content, that's how it is. Some people buy the brand new car, while others wait until it's perfected and purchase when it's cheap. I buy my games once it's cheap and everything is included. You buy this stuff, it's just giving me more content down the road.
@thekhurg: Really? I haven't said a thing aboot Battlefront buddy. But I do remember fondly completing Mass Effect 2 just to have rest of the story been announced as DLC. Tell me that Sims 4 were as robust as first iteration. It's not about being selfish, it's all about NOT being retarded and you just went full-retard. Nobody said content should be for free. Everyone is saying this has gotten way overboard and could've been cheaper, especially when they can make even twice as much money on Extra Content than on Full Games. This is exactly the 60:120 ratio I mentioned. You are now smarter friend. Go forth young one, may your future be bright.
Half of it is from their My Team mode, buying those packs of cards.
WHAT ARE THEY DOING WITH THAT MONEY???
Counting it...while stroking a hairless cat and cackling wildly in some hidden fortress!!! LOL
Ive heard the CEO has a big room where all the money is changed into coins and he swims in it.
Having board meetings in rooms made of gold, where they brainstorm how to ship the next version with even less content than last year.
@Bathyj Ha https://www.youtube.com/wat...
Ha, Yeah Foxtrot, I did think of that. I knew what your link was before I even clicked it.
they make less off actual DLC and probably make more off "short cuts" because majority of players are lazy and have stupid excuses for why they waste more money than they should on games. battlefield short cuts for unlocking things, same with madden packs and whatever else in all their other games. EA practically spends no time creating "shortcuts" and any money generated is practically 100% profit. Legit DLC actually takes time and money, so the returns are less profitable. So when people defend a game being subscription based instead of F2P, that is complete BS because they will more than make their money back anyway. And it's even more of a shame that companies like M$ wait for PS+ to show up before they decide to start giving back to the people that made them more relevant than they should be at this point. Obviously there are many more things that companies can do to take less, but that's not their business. They simply will only match to what's accepted and nothing more. So in a sense that is the one of the few reasons why competition is good, someone will offer a better deal and only then will the more expensive brand come down to "compete".
@_-EDMIX-_ "I think many of you need to sort of settle in with the reality that you were never going to get this content if it wasn't going to be charged for in the first place" What a load of nonsense. You are trying to make it seem like what we are getting is extra content, it isn't that at all. What this is is cut content that is deliberately held back to sell to us on a different day. A lot of what is released as DLC has already been made, they just hold it back until the day comes that they decide they want to make more money off the game. Before DLC really caught on, extra's in game would have to be earned by searching for it or working for it. These days we have to pay for it before it is added to the game.
Now that is a load of nonsense! How do you know? Like with Battlefront for instance, already made and held back huh? Ok, what it the fourth DLC going to contain, exactly? What? You don't know? Why not? Surely EA would've announced it in all it's glorious details right along the release of the base game what the Season Pass will contain as to get more sales for the SP? What?? They didn't? Hmmm, there must be a reason for that... Oh wait! I know, it's still not finished! Stop with this nonsense that DLC is 'cut content'. Am sure some of it might be in certain games but am positive that most actually is not. Could they have waited until all the DLC was done and released it all in one fell swoop so you would be satisfied? Sure they could! They would just want more money for the base game then with all the DLC included... What? You don't want to pay more than $60 for a game but it has to include more content than the publisher can give you for that money and still make new projects profitable? Yes, $1.3 billion is a lot. How much was the earnings from just selling the base games? And would the base games without selling any DLCs have been profitable enough? Do you know? And if you claim you do I want proof...
You don't know if the contents cut or not and its existence is solely based on being able to be sold as DLC as if they could sell the base game for $60 why would they then add more content if the DLC ceased to sell? What you're basically saying is if they couldn't make money on the post launch content they would suddenly have a longer development cycle to add more content for the same price? That actually doesn't make any logical sense even slightly. Also the Battlefield games with added DLC have had more maps and weapons than any other base launched Battlefield game in history meaning that the content that's being added is indeed an extra because 0 game in his entire series has ever watched with such an amount of content at release to suggest the game was ever going to launch with that content. Also I have no clue what you mean before DLC.. Battlefield entire series has had both launch content look it up as I think you need a little history lesson on post launch content. the series has never actually been without post-launch content to really suggest what the game was ever going to entail . so this is merely the team treating Battlefront like they would battlefield you don't know what the final game was going to entail so please stop trying to suggest it was simply going to be an extra when you don't even have a damn game to reference such a thing from. Also it was stated by several people at EA and DICE that they were not holding back any content for battlefront and we've even got free content post launch... We also have yet to see or hear many details of its content meaning that I'm extremely doubtful in two years they had like 50 laps or something saved up somewhere as that is extremely unlikely. once again since you don't really seem to get the concept of copyright and ownership even if they did, you actually don't have any right to any of their work so why exactly are you crying? You don't own the company you don't own the IP. You might as well for the rest of your life believe that all the content releasing is going to be cut regardless of what anyone says and regardless of the history of the release of those games you're free to continue to live in that lala land type world if you feel like it lol Sucks for you as it sounds like many of the gamers on this site don't even have the money to play in the hobby that is clearly very expensive to be bickering about content they don't own that they "think" was supposed to be available at launch through their own little imagination. Still waiting for your legal information by the way on the right you think you own from such games? You've yet to answer how content is cut from a game that you legally don't even own in the first place? That is like someone saying I cut content from a book that I created how on earth do you know how long my book was ever meant to be? Are you buying the book or are you buying my soul? Entitled much? Lol
Making this much, they should just makes games free to play like mobile games, then pay if you want to add on.
guarantee over 50% of that figure is in Ultimate team. I had a friend who once spent $300+ in ultimate team. Judging by streams on Twitch, my friend was a "chump" compared to how much some other people spend (cough* they spend that in a weekend *cough)
Runner up for worst company of 2016 is ... You guess :)
Why? Because they are doing what every business sets out to do, which is making money? OHHH NOOOOOO THEY MADE HUGE PROFITS! Videogame companies arent your friends, they arent here to stroke you and appease the gamers fragile ego's. They are here to make money and apparently they are very good at it.
you miss the point here, i know that the aim for any business is profits, and i fully support that. HOWEVER, EA are taking things to a different level, and it affects us the consumers/gamers, we expect our moneys worth, and games that are fully completed. EA in the other hand release unfinished games and make us pay extra for the content that should have already been on launch version of the game. These so called "DLCS" are being misused and only help the publishers, and it effects both consumer and developers.
Corporate Greed.All it is plain and simple.If gamers dont mind getting pissed on from a great height,and keep buying into these scams then its never gonna end and will get worse.Season passes are killing gaming.
Oh man. You need to dial back all that melodrama there buddy. "Corporate greed"? How? Explain yourself. People obviously want all the extra stuff that they buy or else EA wouldnt offer it. Sure, a handful of whiny neckbeards on N4G dont like it but the MASS majority do. All EA is doing is supplying a demand for the consumers. The CONSUMER determines what stays and what goes. If everyone stopped buying it they wouldnt make it. Simple as that. Apparently people do want it so they provide it. Put yourself in their position, are you going to look at a billion dollar plus market and go "I dont think we should tap into that market because a handful of manchildren will be inexplicably mad at us!". Hell no, when you run a business you do what is healthy for the business. But noooooooooooo, EA IS EEEEVILLLLL!!!!!!
"But they don't force you to buy it". When they're making money like that they'll just keep pushing it, seeing how far they go. It's going to go downhill fast if people keep supporting this crap.
I only buy DLC like Left Behind for TLoU which in my mind is an expansion that they built after the game was done and after I had already got my moneys worth. Buying gun skins and character perks and stuff that we used to just unlock by playing the game is for the birds man.
Expansions like The old hunters for bloodborne are great too :)
The Slippery slope has indeed proven to be slippery!!!
Ice, its covered with ice man!
Truth is the transition is already happening, you can see more and more big titles now being built from the ground up with season pass in mind. The most recent example being The Division where their gameplay videos all took place in areas that wont even be available on day one. When it comes to EA, after ME3 and its stance on DLC i can only imagine the kinda stuff well see in ME Andromeda. Wanna find out what happpened to Shepard? Wanna recruit some old companions that somehow survived? $49,99!
You mean if people keep using their money the way they feel like it? I know right the scariest thing would be free will and choice.... What we should all do is get pitchforks and find those that have the money and take it from them so that way they're not able to support the things that they like. I mean its best we show them what's good for them right bro? /s
I don't have a problem with people spending their money how they like. The problem is that those purchasing these things are affecting the final product for everyone and it is getting worse. If you don't see that games are getting slimmer in content on release because of this, then I don't know what to tell ya. I guess thank you for watering down our final product?
Listen Edmix. Yes people have the right to choose whether they want to buy into this crap or not. But people also have the right to criticise these practices and say hey I'm not okay with this. If you honestly have a passion for gaming then you wouldn't be defended the way these "AAA" companies have been acted over the years. It's not healthy to milk your customers by creating less and less content and charging more and more money. Just look at Battlefront EA, a bare bones product charged full price and without half of the content the original games had. Sure you can just say "don't buy it and stop complaining" but I would rather not support it an criticise the awful practices EA and many more publishers keep getting away with. And that's because I love gaming. If we didn't criticise things then they would never get better and I want things to be better.
@fun- you mean the majority's free will is affecting the market? Big shock! So you know what's best for all gamers right then? You cannot tell if a game is releasing with a slimmer content or not because the concept is subjective you will never know what the final game was ever going to entail in fact I would say on average games release with more content with their new releases in their past. Even for arguments sake if games did release with less I'm not sure what it would matter to you, you do not own the company, you don't own the IP it is out of your control, you were never going to get that content included in the final game in the first place. A lot of this crying is due to this stupid assumption that the company was just going to release all of that for free and was never going to have post-launch content charged for which is beyond stupid..... Ie if no one supported the value menu McDonalds would just be giving all those sandwiches away for free right bro? Are we seriously this naive and don't understand how business actually works? The post launch content exist because the demand for it exists it was actually never going to exist if someone wasn't going to demand its existence. @ Harry stop telling me what you think I love or don't love or what I have a passion for. At the end of the day I like gaming I'm going to purchase what I want. What makes me a gamer is simply purchasing games this isn't the damn war so stop acting as if there's some moral high ground to this at the end of the day it is nothing more than a product you are nothing more than a consumer this isnt a revolution so please stop acting like there's some deep seated political motive to be gained by this... This is as simple as if you do not like it do not purchase it. I'm sorry but even if you want to make it sound as if everyone should come up to a vote if they want it or not the majority that have voted against you or telling you they do not care they want something and they are willing to pay money to get it. You have zero real evidence that any game is launching with less intended content than it ever was supposed to lunch when do the post launch content as there is no factual basis for a certain number of content to actually have in any game its subjective it cannot be measured so I'm not even sure why such a stupid point but brought up. You're bringing up Battlefront yet disregarding the previous games were also made from mods in complete utter garbage as to why 13 million people disagree with you and bought the game at full price so it's kind of showing many millions in the huge majority disagree with that notion clearly it was enough for them to justify the purchase. Did you really think that if no one bought post-launch content Battlefront was just going to release with more maps? As if if EA was losing money from not having DLC they would further lose more money by giving it away for free and having a longer development cycle to add those items? Seriously does that sound like that makes sense to you? LMFAO! Let's not purchase post launch content so that way the publisher loses money so that way they'll give it away for free in the future and lose even more money. man but that sounds like a brilliant idea../s Where did you get your MBA from? Lol
@EDMIX I'm not sure what you're going on about to be honest. But EA have clearly released a bare bones game with Battlefront with the idea of selling the rest with a season pass. It's just blatantly obvious. Loads of people bought the game that is true but that doesn't change the fact that it was shady. You and many other people couldn't give a crap about that though and bought it anyway (I'm assuming you bought it) and that's fine. I have a different opinion though and no matter how many people like yourself tell me to pipe down and shut up about these practices I'm entitled to my opinion. and as a consumer you can damn well bet I have the right to criticise the product.
@Harry- thats nice bud. You're proof is what? Oh they "clearly" thus proof? You don't know what the final game was ever going to entail, no one but DICE and EA does so its pretty much just pure guesswork. "I have a different opinion though and no matter how many people like yourself tell me to pipe down and shut up" Not telling you to um "pipe down and shut up", merely saying that you don't have any real evidence that the game was ever going to release with that much content in the first place. Once again....even if it did for arguments sake, its not you're game, you don't own the company, IP etc. Thus....who cares? You're basically crying over something you "think" was going to release otherwise for free, but its not known if that was EVER going to happen, thus your upset about something that can't be proved and about something that isn't even legally you'res in the first place. Unless a company promised it, marketed it etc with such content only to launch without out it, you don't have any real claims over such content, other then this assumption that it was going to be given with the final product. Buddy you can go eons thinking this way its not really going to do you any good. So what if they did? Again...what is your legal claim over the content? That is like me getting upset because I "think" a part of a book was saved for its sequel. Oh my evidence, "oh its clear it was bro". Others shouldn't read those book series because the author isn't being fair by releasing it as 1 book bro. Once again...what claim do you have over content in which isn't legally even you'res in the first place? I've found that many on here grow silent when that is brought up...
$50 day one DLC. No wonder.
"$50 day one for the !rest of the game!" There fixed that for ya pal!
Well, thats why all their games will have that crap now.. EA shut some great dev teams & if mass effect is plagued with this stuff, bioware will be dead to me too.
Basically EA went "if we cant get more people to buy DLC, lets increase the price instead" AND IT WORKED. Those that were paying for it simply ignored the increase in price.
I see a bright future ahead for games and gamers. Where the gamer gets treated with respect and the content purchased from the developer/publisher justifies the cost. Lol, sorry, I sometimes write things out to see if they are believable.
No surprise here. Due to this BS Fifa has been ruined. F*ck Ultimate team. I've vowed to never buy a Fifa game again until I see a significant improvement but who am I kidding? As long as ppl keep spending $8000 on Ultimate team that's all EA will focus on. Last year they talked about the addition women to Fifa as the big new feature and it's all but forgotten now.
EA supports pay-to-win DLC. They may as well get rid of the pretense and show a bid screen before each match to see how much you're willing to spend to win. From the article: Citing people's desires to collect and trade, Jorgenson said players will "typically pay money to beat their friends."
Well, i have done my part, i don't buy the crap, but i am one person, me alone isn't good enough. Since DLC was added to console's, things have been getting worse and worse, and now look at it, it's hard to find games without it. Funnily enough, it's always the games that make the most money from us that have DLC. It's obvious why they add it, it's because they know the casuals will buy it. The lesser known games don't add it as much because they know they will make no profit from it. This is what it comes down to, money. The apologists will see it differently, but that's all blind loyalty, it's as simple as that.
You did a good job choosing to not buy something that could be fun based on seeking to fight the good fight good for you bro. /s Lol might be the saddest thing I've ever read buddy if you think something is fun and it has post-launch content which might continue your fun help yourself I have no clue why anyone is trying to add a moral understanding to a business concept. I don't buy games because of any moral reasons I'm honestly not sure why someone wouldnt because of one. I personally think it's idiotic, buy what you like don't buy what you don't like but if you're seeking to not purchase something based on a reason other than the actual product itself something is definitely wrong with you... I've never in my life purchased a game because I felt the developer was some morally just company therefore I would never in the same respect not purchase a game due to those reasons I'm purchasing the game because of a subjective concept of if I believe it's fun or not it has nothing to do with the practices of the companies involved at the end of the day as a gamer I just care if it's fun. I'm sorry that you believe that a game having post-launch content suddenly means you're getting less of a game technically speaking couldn't the game release and just have its sequel released a year later I was technically the other half of the game? What are you gonna do then are you going to cry about that too? Are you not understanding you have 0 legal rights over the content of other peoples work? So why are you so teary eyed about it and seeking some stupid revolution thinking that it's going to result in getting some fuller game? You will never have control or say in manipulation of other people's work I have no clue why you think having some personal boycott and toddler tantrum is going to somehow change that. So you're basically missing years upon years of extra gaming for some lost cause you have no control over? Might be the stupidest thing I've heard in a very very long time. Mind you I would be 100% okay with it if you are just not buying it due to personal taste or quality but to not purchase it due to something other than the game itself just doesn't really make any sense. are you gaming for fun or some political movement because it's starting to sound like you actually dont even game for the purpose of actually having any real fun. Lol Stand back guys you really showed that company by not purchasing that game and having 0 fun bro! /s Would you purchase a game even if it was extremely terrible and got bad reviews because the company waz this morally just company that never released post less content?
and why do you care what he does or doesn't
i didn't buy that game cause i had a bad feeling about SW Battlefront to begin with. A $60 game with a $50 season pass that also includes emotes which should've been free to begin with. To get the most powerful gun all you have to do is spend an extra $10 for that. Oh yeah, that totally makes the game fair, NOT. Instead I bought Bloodborne, Witcher 3, and Xenoblade Chronicles X. All games that in fact were worth the money.
@Tales- "A $60 game with a $50 season" What does that have to do with the game itself? Look if you don't like the game and didn't buy it based on not liking it as a game, sure. But I don't really get the idea of not buying a game based on the price of post launch content your not actually even going to get. That is like me not buying Bloodborne because it has DLC. I don't buy games because they are "fair" or don't have post launch content or anything of the sort. Fun. That is the sole reason I game. I have no clue what DLC, season passes, post launch content etc actually have to do with the concept of fun bud. If you like those games, your right to buy them! Those are all great games you listed too. I would hope you bought them for the concept of fun, as suppose to because of something that actually has nothing to do with them lol. I like those games because of what they are as games. Mind you, I didn't even buy the season pass for Battlefront and don't plan on it any time soon and still bought it for what it is, not what I suddenly want it to be when I see the post launch DLC.
Wow. You are certainly a hero for the masses! You just keep up with that, Ill be busy playing some rad games that you choose to miss out on because of some misguided moral high ground.
I like Battlefront as a casual game. I love Star Wars, but I don't buy season passes. To me a lot of these modern games are all big, open world flash, and no substance of being a "game". I enjoy old PS2/GameCube (Vice City, Resident Evi) games as much on my PS4 as I do some newer games, sometimes more which is sad. I know it's hard but we should stop buying crap, over hyped games and DLC.
So glad N4g community is small minority. You guys get butt hurt the moment a business does successful. As many mention don't buy it if you don't want to support it. Keep it moving .
They have added some free content also for Battlefront. It is great game for $30-40 without season pass.
Anyone still blames piratery when it happens?
Doesn't the Simpsons Tapped out generate a billion dollars on its own? Or am I making things up again?
Hahahahahaha oh yeah a company is making profits on its products! That is absolutely VILE!! How dare they make money?!
Yet they never forced anyone to pay for any of it, people chose to spend their money which is their right, whats "disgusting" is people like you who take issue with it, it doesn't hurt you in anyway.
Everyone acts all butthurt; but you all hypocrites already bought the season pass. If you bought ANY DLC and you are bitching about this, GTFO!
Give EA some credit they sure did a good job of ripping off people that an impressive figure in one year. I'd love to be part of EA in the boardroom discussing waya of taking more
Yeah impressive in how blatantly suckered those who bought Star Wars Battlefront back in November were. When I heard that game was going to have a $50 season pass on top of the craptastic game i avoided it like the plague. The new Star Wars Battlefront should've been a simple $20 at release with a $40 season pass. Then for the cost of 1 game you could've gotten everything. Forget SW Battlefront. Get Bloodborne, Witcher 3, Fallout 4, and Xenoblade Chronicles X instead. You'll get your $$$'s worth.