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Console War 2016: What Console War is Everyone Talking About?

Seriously, exactly what console war is everyone talking about?

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ArchangelMike1034d ago

Well I think Sony has won the war this gen. The launch of PSVR will only give them more artillery. I don't think Microsoft have a strategy that can combat the success of the PS4.

Nintendo on the other hand have all but thrown in the towel in terms on the WiiU, they will really have to do something special with the NX, and make sure it comes out the gate swinging hard. They have taken the position that they are not in competition with Sony or Microsoft, and they they offer something differnt. but I dolt think that approach paid off at all this gen. With the NX I feel they will just have to compete dorectly and release a machine that can go toe-to-toe with the PS4 and XbOne.

The console war is dead... long live the console war.

uth111034d ago (Edited 1034d ago )

Yeah, I think it's pretty much over at this point. MS putting a bunch of former Xbox exclusives on Windows sounds like they aren't really interested in competing with Sony anymore, or at least it's less a priority than trying to boost Windows 10 after the Windows 8 fiasco.

Not a good thing because Sony needs competition to keep them from getting complacent.

_-EDMIX-_1034d ago

Agreed. MS needs to focus on making money, not "wars" I see no reason to make less money just to sell a plastic box that actually makes then less money then software.

It just doesn't really make sense.

Sony makes handhelds and consoles

Nintendo makes handhelds and consoles.

MS needs to support their platform too as Windows is the only other platform anyone actually owns in this situation that can have those games equal to greater their console counter part.

Good for them, MS need to find their own and take care of what they can do best vs this meaningless "exclusives" battle in a situation that doesn't even fully help them.

Nintendo supports many platforms, Sony supports many platforms, its time MS did the same thing, at least in regards to Sony and Nintendo, they only support other platforms in a limited nature do to hardware limitations, Windows has none and MS shouldn't be trying to do what Sony or Nintendo does as it doesn't even benefit them.

Sony and Nintendo have exclusives for titles on consoles because to a degree they sorta have to, MS doesn't, they have a platform that they can produce the same if not better quality on.

This is going to make MS a giant again in PC gaming and they fully have my support in that respect.

Why make less money just to add some stupid "war" or bullet point? Did XB REALLY sell last gen just on its exclusives?

I mean even PS4 and XONE right NOW are NOT selling simply because of their exclusives, like I've been saying for months, the benefits outweigh the cons by a huge degree.

rainslacker1034d ago (Edited 1034d ago )

I'm actually hoping that Nintendo becomes a force to be reckoned with again. I kind of miss the days when Nintendo games were taken seriously in game discussions by everyone, even if people wanted to hate on them.

Despite most people feeling they make great games overall, very few people seem to give them any respect in the games discussion.

Plus I feel those two competing more directly would be more interesting given the way they handle their exclusive line ups.

I don't hate Xbox. Not terribly fond of MS. But overall, I don't feel that MS is needed in the market to keep Sony on their toes. Competition with MS did make Sony do some things, but it's hard to say that things are better now than they were in the PS2 days when Sony went two generations with practically no real competition.

I don't really want to see MS leave the market. I can say I wouldn't really notice if they did though. Most of their existence has just been superfluous to me, because it hasn't offered more than I can get on a PS console, even if they did bring some good things to the table during their existence.

I can say I would miss either Sony or Nintendo though, because they seem to really push gaming on a different level than MS does. MS seems to be more about the business side of gaming, whereas the other two seem to be about the gaming side of gaming.

freshslicepizza1034d ago

@rainslacker
"I can say I would miss either Sony or Nintendo though, because they seem to really push gaming on a different level than MS does. MS seems to be more about the business side of gaming, whereas the other two seem to be about the gaming side of gaming."

when sony says ea access offers no value that is a business side of gaming, not a gaming side. when sony charges for online multiplayer (as does microsoft on the xbox) it too is a business side of gaming. same with playstation now. when sony remasters all of those ps3 games and ports vita games to the ps4 it is the business side of gaming much like how microsoft is treating windows 10.

so don't fool everyone even though you've been fooled into thinking nintendo and sony care more about you as a gamer. and let's not forget the aftermath of the ps2's success which led us to a $600 game console that game developers struggled to work on. even the ps2 was not easy to make games for as sony loves proprietary hardware and it wasn't until the xbox 360 put a huge old dent in sony's marketshare in north america that woke them up to play ball like the rest of them.

and don't even get me started on nintendo who quite frankly cares even less than those two what consumers and game editors think. they live in their own bubble and like playing the guardian parent and limit things like voice communication in online games.

rainslacker1034d ago

I'm not saying Sony and Nintendo don't push the business side of it. No one can reasonably expect them not to. Just that they seem to push more new gaming Ip's into the market. Nintendo relies a bit more on their staples, but they make some of the best games out there. Almost all(but not all) of MS gaming ventures seem more on how it can push their brand to be better than the other. I guess in actual practice, that's what all of them do in some way, just MS seems much more blatant about it.

I don't know if I think any one cares more about me as a gamer than the other. I just feel that Sony in particular, and Nintendo in some way, provide more for me and other gamers, while MS tends to focus on a very narrow selection of gamers. First it was the dudebro types, then it was the casuals, whereas Nintendo and Sony tend to provide more high profile releases to a more diverse group. Nintendo maybe less so since they focus on their more recognizable IP's, but they do have more uniqueness to their brand of games than MS or Sony do. That's why I like MS current direction because I feel they are trying to diversify their line up, and I'm all for encouraging that...just the impact of that hasn't really been influential to me yet.

The fact that Nintendo just kind of does their own thing, to me, means more that that's what they want to provide that for gaming, whereas MS tends to focus on narrower target audiences, and Sony tends to have a lot more variety. Each method has it's own merits, just Nintendo and Sony have more relevance to me, and my comment was meant to be about my personal thoughts, and not speaking on general consensus.

That's really all I'm trying to say.

I don't really want to get into a point counterpoint on "sony does it too", because that's not what my comment was referring to. MS itself has done plenty of good things, released plenty of good games, and has in some ways helped push things forward faster than they would have otherwise come about. For that they should be recognized, and I myself have recognized them for it against those who would not give them credit for it.

Despite all that, I personally wouldn't miss MS in the actual hardware market, because their games overall haven't had that much impact on me. I would miss them as a publisher, because I do feel they make quality games that many people like, and I wouldn't want to deny people those games at all. It's more that I just don't personally feel that the hardware side of things overall is really that imperative to what they actually release.

It's just a personal thing though, and I'm sure others have different feelings on the Xbox hardware, and probably would miss it in the market, and because of them, I wouldn't want to personally see the Xbox console leave the market, because that would just be selfish and serve no purpose to me on any level. I wouldn't feel vindicated or have any sort of self-gratifying moment should that come to pass, despite some people these past few days feeling that's my intention with my comments.

On a side note, sometimes it helps not to think of me as a rampant fan boy, because I'm really not, and much more level headed than my comments usually portray. I can be opinionated, but I try to make it clear when I'm speaking from a personal viewpoint and when I'm talking in generalities to argue a point, because the way I frame my comment will be different for each. I feel some people think I go at everything from a generally speaking viewpoint, which gives the wrong impression.

freshslicepizza1034d ago

rainslacker
"I'm not saying Sony and Nintendo don't push the business side of it. No one can reasonably expect them not to. Just that they seem to push more new gaming Ip's into the market."

give me a break, microsoft has already announced and/or released more new ip's for the xbox one than nintendo has for the wii u.

"I don't know if I think any one cares more about me as a gamer than the other. I just feel that Sony in particular, and Nintendo in some way, provide more for me and other gamers, while MS tends to focus on a very narrow selection of gamers."

not that accurate really aside from the more depth from japanese studios since the xbox brand stinks over there but it still gets support from sqaure, namco and others.

"The fact that Nintendo just kind of does their own thing, to me, means more that that's what they want to provide that for gaming, whereas MS tends to focus on narrower target audiences, and Sony tends to have a lot more variety. Each method has it's own merits, just Nintendo and Sony have more relevance to me, and my comment was meant to be about my personal thoughts, and not speaking on general consensus."

sounds more like you are narrowing the gap to things like jrpg's to suit your own argument.

"I don't really want to get into a point counterpoint on "sony does it too", because that's not what my comment was referring to."

you basically said is if microsoft exited you wouldn't miss them meaning they don't really cater to your needs. that's fine but that really opens up the door for questions since the plastation and xbox brand are so similar in what each offers.

"Despite all that, I personally wouldn't miss MS in the actual hardware market, because their games overall haven't had that much impact on me. I would miss them as a publisher, because I do feel they make quality games that many people like, and I wouldn't want to deny people those games at all. It's more that I just don't personally feel that the hardware side of things overall is really that imperative to what they actually release."

the same can be said about nintendo and sony and many already want nintendo to go third party because their hardware often counters to what consumers want. and the ps4 doesn't really provide us with anything that can't be found on the pc. sony isn't really offering anything unique there.

"It's just a personal thing though, and I'm sure others have different feelings on the Xbox hardware..."

the consumer wins if you have a strong marketplace with real competition. would the ps3 dropped in price so rapidly if it wasn't for the xbox 360? would psn have improved as quickly if it wasn't for xbox live? would sony continue to make difficult hardware for game developers if it wasn't for the xbox 360 being the lead platform for many western games?

"On a side note, sometimes it helps not to think of me as a rampant fan boy, because I'm really not, and much more level headed than my comments usually portray. "

you have shown no signs of being a rabid fanboy and i will continue to respect your opinion. there is nothing wrong with preferring sony over microsoft. i would be the first to admit they do a much better job at marketing their products worldwide. they also have better game studios as a whole but i'd hate to see it just be sony and nintendo.

Septic1033d ago (Edited 1033d ago )

Woah woah slow down guys lol. Xbox hasn't died!

People are so quick to write off Xbox all of a sudden because QB is on PC?? Lol come on. I know its wishful thinking on the part of some here but don't jump the gun.

hay1033d ago (Edited 1033d ago )

Both Xbox and PS4 are basically PCs. There's no war, just sibling rivalry or a clone fight.

GameNameFame1033d ago

Here comes Moldy and Spetic for damage control department.

rainslacker1033d ago (Edited 1033d ago )

@Moldy

-New IP's

You're right. I think being a WiiU/3DS owner, I often don't distinguish the two, A lot of their support is more on the handheld Outside a few notableexceptions, the WiiU keeps to the staples

-providing for gamers

This is more down to diversity. I'm sure Xbox gamers find MS IP exclusives more to their tastes. I just feel that Nintendo/Sony, offer up more variety. Some of that is internal to 1st/2nd party, some is due to the breadth of support you mention. Most Japanese Xbox support comes more in the vein of games meant for western release. On the PS brand, those games can do reasonably well, and find a nice home with a solid fan base.

-narrowing the gap

I think Nintendo provides nice variety overall, a lot of that is focused on 3DS however. WiiU had some surprises this gen, but I was speaking more of overall content. WiiU doesn't receive the same 3rd party love that PS has. The WiiU isn't really a mainstream console IMO, but Nintendo wanted to make it a thing, and to them, they offered what they thought would be appealing to the customer. I feel that direction was more about trying to not compete directly, but rather bring something different to gaming. In respect to my original comment, it's actions like these that make it seem like they are less business oriented, but rather approach it from the ideal of furthering gaming in general, or trying to expand it.

Sony vs. MS et al.

No, MS doen't cater to my needs, which is why I wouldn't miss them. Overall, I'd say what they offer in terms of hardware and system services is about equal, and since I care almost nothing about most of the added value features or services, I base my comment on what games are available on each. I would miss the PS games, and Nintendo games, but not the MS games so much. MS does have a lot of quality games, but they just aren't usually the kind that make me excited to get day one, although I'm usually pleased with them when I do play them.

I feel if any left the hardware market, I'd really hope they'd go third party. I wouldn't want to see any of them leave the gaming market altogether, and my comment was strictly about the hardware itself. I should have been specific about that.

Competition

Overall, I'd agree with you on this point. Competition has more benefits for the consumer than it has drawbacks. Most annoying thing about the competition has been the timed/brought exclusives, and the console wars which erupted surrounding it all. I will 100% agree that MS kicked the idea of features and services on console into overdrive, forcing Sony and Nintendo to adapt and grow quicker, and their sudden growth in the market is what caused that, and that was a good thing for PS, and Nintendo gamers. However, at the same time, the idea that competition is absolutely necessary for a healthy market is not always true, and has been proven that it isn't absolutely necessary. Competition is important for change though, which is why I would not really like to see a one console market, but don't see all doom for the consumer should one be dominate.

@Septic

Xbox isn't dead, nor is it likely to die. A paradigm is changing for 1st party published releases is all. It can be interesting and discussed rationally, or people can batten down the hatches and go into full defense mode assuming everyone is trying to spell doom and gloom for MS and the Xbox brand.

Pogmathoin1033d ago

Agreed. MS needs to focus on making money, not "wars" I see no reason to make less money just to sell a plastic box that actually makes then less money then software.

Who is making wars? Sony fanboys doing the exact same thing they complained about last gen..... Its a cycle. I own a PS4, mostly for playing FIFA with family in Ireland and exclusives only on PS, own an Xbox for games I love on Xbox, and own laptop for the odd game and Football Manager.... Theres a place for everything, and happy there are choices..... If you like to follow the sheep, that is your business.....

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LackTrue4K1034d ago

If there's any war now, it's PC vs ps4.

Dabigkahuna761034d ago

Drugs can only describe the problem you may have

wakeNbake1034d ago

Um no thats like saying theres a war between Kia and Ferrari,theyre two completely seperate markets.

miyamoto1033d ago

Q: Why did M$ choose to have the original Xbox instead of supporting PC back then?
A: Control.
The concept of home consoles is all about control. Something M$ can not do with an open platform like PC. But now M$ has lost all that control they had with the 360. Now the Xbox brand is caught between a rock and a hard place: M$ shareholders & the PS4. So like Nintendo swallowing mobile gaming, Xbox is forced to swallow that bitter pill that is PC- a far less risky business than home console competition.

WellyUK1033d ago

That isn't a war... That's a walk in the park for PC.

Pogmathoin1033d ago

Miyamoto, I am sure $ony have there own plans too.... $ony are also in it for the money.... They messed up so much witn $ony PS3, they had to severely $uck up to gullible gamers.

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miyamoto1034d ago

Like what I said before the PS4 will put an end to this corporate console war.
The end is near.

_-EDMIX-_1034d ago

lol, it was a war of attrition.

MS can't afford to keep losing money, to move plastic boxes that don't even sell SOLELY based on exclusives and don't even make more money then software.

I think they only kept doing then with this goal to get more marketshare, THEN go fully PC-XB or even full PC, but because PS's kept selling world wide, I think some of the heads at MS where pretty mad about the move.

Something tells me, lots of folks at MS wanted this to happen for YEARS, Phil is merely answering that with a real solution that needs to be done for MS.

You have 2 platforms, make games on both platforms. Who cares?

If they are now multiplatform, then so be it. They have no business being "Exclusive" in a concept in which they own 2 damn platforms to make money off of , it just makes no sense.

They had their chance to beat Sony last gen with PS3, and its clear they couldn't do that without the worldwide market.

I think after PS3, XONE's whole concept should have been from the very start.....XONE and Win10-PC.

Enough with the BS, its over, go make money, you won't beat Sony at this point and its just a waste to even continue to lose money in hopes they will go away. The goal is to make money and they can do that better now, then before.

rainslacker1034d ago (Edited 1034d ago )

I see MS becoming more a publisher with a hardware Windows device...which will likely be branded as Xbox in some fashion. MS focus has changed, at least going by current news.

MS is chasing after the bigger fish of a more diverse market, trying to cater to more markets directly. Sony is as well but they're doing it in a different way.

The more I read and think about what's going on now, the more I feel that MS wants to move to a different model for how they release their hardware/software for the console market.

There are shades of Sega going on now. I recall Sega releasing Sonic CD on the PC a few years before they finally bowed out of the hardware market. I feel MS will try a Windows licensing model for future hardware instead of a dedicated console.

I encourage anyone who disagrees with this feeling to state why MS wouldn't be likely to do that, because I've tried to think why MS would stay in the hardware market in the same way, but it's hard to come to reasons which are ultimately beneficial to MS when other options are likely more profitable, and more likely to get them to where they wanted to be with the Xbox in the first place.

Khaotic1034d ago

@rain slacker 10 million Xbox live subscribers that generate around 720 million a year in revenue. These are estimates from articles I have read. MS is not leaving the console market and every article you post on you say the same crap in different words. You are making uneducated speculations with not one shred of solid factual evidence to back up these asinine theories. But please feel free to continue to look Foolish.

rainslacker1034d ago

@Khaotic

Please then, educate me on what XBL subs have to do with the hardware, and why they can't gain that revenue using other methods.

You know...Sony's licensing out PSNow to hardware vendors. Guess what they're getting from it....revenue.

Same principal for MS, just with a different implementation of more robust hardware and Windows being put onto more devices. It's not a hard concept to understand. That's about as simple as I can put it for what I'm saying MS may do in the future.

Please also educate yourself to understand when I say leave the hardware market, it doesn't mean they'll drop the Xbox brand, simply change the way they approach the hardware market.

My speculation is based on a myriad of factors, and I may be wrong and 100% will say that it's merely speculation and just a possibility.

You not discussing it rationally is you being devoid any any kind of rational argument, and has no bearing on the weight of my argument, because I give my reasons using logical thought based on previously mentioned factors. The exact factors I base my reasons on are spelled out in the comments you keep replying to with no actual argument to counter other than one fact which has nothing to do with my comment.

If you don't like what I have to say, there is an ignore button. You're free to use it. I use different words, but the reasonings are the same, and you have yet to provide any sort of reasons why those reasons are wrong.

None of this may come to pass. I may be completely wrong. So what? Do you care to discuss the possibility, or simply dismiss the possibility? If it's the latter, then why bother to keep replying to me? Seems like a waste of your time if I have nothing to say which you can use for discussion.

Your goal seems more to be discrediting me than it is to actually discuss anything. Guess that's par for the course around here though.

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3-4-51034d ago

There is no war and never was. People just ignorantly buy into these things so they can stroke their own ego and act like they have the only good thing worth buying.

It happens in other things too outside of gaming, no matter if it's clothes, or cars, or sports teams....

* If you enjoy what you are playing, then YOU win.

Retroman1033d ago (Edited 1033d ago )

@ 3-4-5

ehh, how are you getting disagrees by saying the Obvious??

"if you enjoy what you are playing , then YOU win. " ..........for 345 to get disagrees you guys Must not enjoy Destiny,Call of Duty, Rainbow 6, Battlefield , The Division, Imfamous second son, Uncharted, Last of us then. if you guys enjoy those titles like... 3-4-5 said "YOU WIN"

blawren41033d ago

Finaally someone got to the point. Game on!

3-4-51033d ago

thanks...at least somebody else understands it.

I like Video games, have since Atari and NES.

I play PC,XB1,Wii U,Vita,3DS,PSP,N64 currently and when I can eventually afford it most likely getting a PS4 as well.

I can't stand fanboys and cult members who worship and celebritize certain things.

* If you enjoy a game, then you win and you get to have fun. There is something out there for everyone.

* Some people NEED to feel like what they are doing is the best. If the majority of people think A is the best, they will buy A.

If the majority of people think B is the best, they will buy B.

I've played and enjoyed so many 5/10,6/10 7/10 games that I've lost count of them.

No game is perfect but I tend to focus on the positive.

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3rdstar1034d ago

There really isn't a console war this time and that's a problem. Just because sony has topped sales charts doesn't mean they've won the war. There is no war because no one is really competing. We haven't seen a proper console war in over a decade.

Goldby1033d ago

the gaming industry is built on competition between companies to win over your affection and subsequently your hard earned dollars.

if there wasnt any competition, there would be no motive for advancements in the industry. all we would have are different if not practically the same versions of tetris, pong, and brick breaker.

the problem we are facing as a generation and community as a whole is the people who ignorantly follow their brand to the end of the earth, and knock anything that isn't a part of their brand. (sony fanboys bitching about kinect and "shitty graphics on X1, xbox fan boys ripping on sony for psn, pc shitting on everyone)

we all need to stand up not for our brand of choice, but for our industry. we all play games, so why hate on another for their choice of entertainment. im a Sony supporter since ps1 days, always have been, mainly due to their style of games they market. but that doesn't mean games that don't align with my preferences (Cod, Halo, twitch shooters, RTS) are any less valid. i would love to be able to have a decent conversation with someone about an experience i was able to have on my choice of platform and game, and be able to relate not only with other people who have played that game, but other people form different brands, and maybe similar experiences they had playing their choice of games.

we all want the best for our industry. that has be proven time and time again through out outcries. why do we face two fronts of war when there is truly only one front, helping push our creators to bring their best work to the table instead of things that are safe and proven profit makers.

that last point i hold very dear to me. i appreciate what Ubisoft is doing with their Assassin's Creed brand, by taking a year off, they are extending their development time and hopefully create a breakthrough for the series that it has needed for much time.

Without Competition 3rdStar, Ubisoft wouldn't feel the need to take pages from The Witcher 3 for their narrative and game play style in regards to AC, which they have stated in one interview or another (cant remember where i read it)

simply put. the companies are in competition as any company should be, but we the gamers need to stand united through our differences instead of separated by them.

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Hoffmann1034d ago

In reality, the console war is nothing but wild discussions of gamers worldwide.

Like myself, like others. Here on N4G and on hundreds of other gaming sites we can see it day by day and participate day by day.

whothedog1034d ago

I wouldn't say the companies participate in the console wars but I do see them taking small shots at their competition occasionally(such as the used game debacle between xbox1 and ps4) but I think that is not out of the norm. We seen it since sega genesis and snes era, and I think it can be fun sometimes, but most people especially now seem to take it to the extreme now and spout false statements, nonsense or their opinion as fact to make themselves seem right.

FoxyGotGame1034d ago

@whothedog

Where in the comment did Hoffmann state "Companies" participate? ....The guy hasn't even edited. Maybe wise not putting words in other peoples comments.

whothedog1033d ago

Where in my comment did I say hoffmann said that? I think I was just making a general statment about the state of the console wars today.

Though I could of worded my first comment better.

OB1Biker1033d ago (Edited 1033d ago )

Paying for exclusive (or timed exclusive) content or claiming they have 'the best exclusives' (guess which is which it doesnt really matter) is close enough to a console war (or console competition by any means even questionable ones if you want)
Consoles are in competition and it sounds silly to me to avoid calling it a console war just because of the non sense spin fanboys make about it.
I agreed with your comments to make it clear (since misunderstanding can get out of hand easily on here haha)

OtakuDJK1NG-Rory1034d ago

which also lead to insults, meaningless bashing and attacking and the gamers will never unite and just play games.

Retroman1033d ago (Edited 1033d ago )

@ Hoffmann

In reality , (console wars is nothing but wild discussion of gamers (worldwide) whining which console is the best.)

Helelujuh, you hit the jackpot of realization.
this what EVERY FKIN editor want us to believe. to come back day by day battling nothing ,while Sony&MS laughing all the way to bank .

Hoffmann1033d ago

These discussions are often entertaining though. More entertaining sometimes than actually play games ;)

Segata1034d ago

Last real console war that wasn't one sided was SNES vs Genesis. It was the WCW vs WWF of it's time as they exchanged blows. Since then just Sony or Nintendo ran away with it without looking back once.