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Judge games on quality, not size - Epic's Capps

Epic Games president, Michael Capps, has bemoaned the "arms race" in videogames development, saying it makes creating sequels tougher.

During his keynote speech on the development of Gears of War 2 at GCDC in Leipzig, Capps said that games that are judged simply by comparing the amount of content compared to rival titles can fail to reflect the true value of a good game.

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cr33ping_death3683d ago

and if Heavenly Sword is judged by quality and not size it would have gotten a hell of a lot more better reviews that it deserved.

ukilnme3683d ago

Indeed, HS is still my favorite PS3 game.

marinelife93683d ago

Is Capps trying to hedge GeOW2 against Resistance 2?

juuken3683d ago

I agree.

So...what are they trying to say, that Resistance 2 will be crappy?

morganfell3683d ago (Edited 3683d ago )

Yes, this is a preemptive remark for the inevitable comments about the brevity of Gears 2 particularly in relation to Resistance 2. I think it is humorous that Insomniac has been mum on the comparison but Epic launched the first volley with the Clifford Blezinski comments.

And yes there is a reason for such remarks. Smell that? It's called fear.

@death, you are exactly right. Heavenly Sword was a remarkable game much maligned for it's length which is in fact longer than non players realize. All the same, do not expect any PS3 owners to relent on a lashing that is deserved.

Tobias1233683d ago

That's because Ted Price knows that Insomniac is making a good game, and doesn't feel the need to shout it from the rooftops, because he knows that the fans will buy it.

Lost_My_600_Dollar3683d ago (Edited 3683d ago )

I think Heavenly Sword was a good game but not great

@ juuken

I love Insomniac , they are really great developer looking forward to kick your Butt in R2 =P (jk)

games4fun3683d ago (Edited 3683d ago )

where are all the great scores for Heavenly sword then? 80% of reviewers marked it down at least a full point if not more.

HS was awesome and the graphics were great. the level toward the end where you fight the oncoming army i forgot how many there were, it was around 1000 i think was starting to make my eyes hurt from not blinking.

EDIT: 600 dollar is a troll bubble him down

InMyOpinion3683d ago (Edited 3683d ago )

If Heavenly Sword had multiplayer it might have had more replayability. As it stands now and when it was reviewed it's about 5 hours then you're pretty much done with it.

@Morganfell - Reviews, awards and sales will tell which game is the better between Resistance 2 and Gears of War 2. I still think it's kind of a weird comparison considering they don't have much in common other than being flagship titles. This holiday will be interesting...and good times for gamers.

juuken3683d ago

"If Heavenly Sword had multiplayer it might have had more replayability. As it stands now and when it was reviewed it's about 5 hours then you're pretty much done with it."

I'm sorry Jenzo but you need a good pimp slap.

Gears and Heavenly Sword are two different genres. One is a shooter/action/adventure, and one is an action/adventure with freakin swords.

I don't think Heavenly Sword needed multiplayer to have a better score. If it was longer, it would have had an even higher score.

It's still a good game regardless.

InMyOpinion3683d ago (Edited 3683d ago )

@juuken - You sound like you've gotten one too many. I wasn't comparing Heavenly Sword to Gears. Both games were good and could have been longer but makes Gears different is that it has multiplayer, online co-op and achievements. Since it's also one of the most played games on Live, comparing it's replayability to Heavenly Sword feels silly.

morganfell3683d ago (Edited 3683d ago )

Jenzo, I am not a great gamer but I am better than average. Heavenly Sword, a game I really like took me a half hour longer than HALO3, a game I really like. I have no friends on my list that came close to the 5 hour mark for HS. In short, that just isn't accurate at all.

Second, despite all of the arguing in which we all engage, the individual is the final word on which is the best game, not reviews or sales. Sales matter and scores do matter because it affects sales and publishers willingness to pay for a second installment or drop money on a studios next venture. Scores and reviews influence many buyers as well and that makes a difference.

What is the replay value on R2 versus replay on Gears 2? We don't have all the details yet but if the Gears and Gears 2 campaigns are similar and the Resistance and R2 lengths are comparable, add in the 8 player coop for R2 and planned multiplayer for the respective titles and R2 leaps far and away ahead of Gears 2.

juuken3683d ago (Edited 3683d ago )

"Juuken - You sound like you've gotten one too many. I wasn't comparing Heavenly Sword to Gears. Both games could have been longer but Gears had multiplayer, online co-op and achievements. Since it's also one of the most played games on Live, comparing it's replayability to Heavenly Sword feels silly."

I never implied you were comparing the two. I was just telling you that they are different games.

Try reading between the lines next time.

Oooh, I've gotten one too many? Uh-huh, I'm sure I knew what I was talking about before I was allegedly *pimp slapped*.

The reason why Heavenly Sword was brought up is because of the fact Capp is saying don't judge a game by it's size but by it's quality. Heavenly Sword was a good quality game and yet points were deducted because of it's shortness.

What you're saying is that it would have been better with multiplayer and I disagree with that. Not every game needs multiplayer to prove it's a good game. A game could have multiplayer and have crappy gameplay.
And hate to break it to ya but replayability is not a word.

InMyOpinion3683d ago (Edited 3683d ago )

@Morganfell - So you are saying that personal preference and quantity are better ways of measuring the quality of a game?

@juuken - Read my comment again. The features I mentioned gives Gears more replaya value than Heavenly Sword IMO. I bet HS could have had features that would have made it more worth it's money as well. Not necesserily multiplayer, but at least something.

"And hate to break it to ya but replayability is not a word."
English is not my main language. I bet you knew what I meant anyways, and that's what's important. I think most people consider my english to be pretty decent.

juuken3683d ago

"@juuken - Read my comment again."

I read your comment and I disagreed.

"The features I mentioned gives Gears more replaya value than Heavenly Sword IMO."

Ooookay, now you're switching your comments around as *your opinion*. And in *my* opinion, Heavenly Sword does not need multiplayer because it's a good game without that stuff.

"I bet HS could have had features that would have made it more worth it's money as well. Not necesserily multiplayer, but at least something."

...Excellent voice acting? Check
...Awesome graphics? Check
...Excellent replay value? Check
...Awesome combos? Check
...Awesome bosses? Check
...A crapload of enemies on the screen without slowdown? Check

What more did you expect?

"English is not my main language. I bet you knew what I meant anyways, and that's what's important. I think most people consider my english to be pretty decent."

I didn't know that but I'm just saying it's not a word. Your English is pretty good regardless.

TheDeadMetalhead3683d ago

Heavenly Sword was a great game. It doesn't need anything like Multiplayer or a long story. Although it would have msde the game much better.

But the fact that it's 5 hours long doesn't make a difference. Alone in the Dark was like 3 hours long and it was a good game IMOIMOIMO!

himdeel3683d ago

...so many different ways...I don't know what to think.

Lost_My_600_Dollar3683d ago (Edited 3683d ago )

"...Excellent voice acting? Check
...Awesome graphics? Check
...Excellent replay value? Check
...Awesome combos? Check
...Awesome bosses? Check
...A crapload of enemies on the screen without slowdown? Check

What more did you expect? "

but still not worth it, you pay 60$ for 5 hours gameplay and no online ???

Bubble Buddy3683d ago

If I was rich, I would judge games only on quality. However, I am not so I need to think of how much hours I will spend on that game and whether it's a rental, or a buy.

juuken3683d ago (Edited 3683d ago )

"but still not worth it, you pay 60$ for 5 hours gameplay and no online ???"

1. Have you ever played it? I'll take that as a no.
2. Five hours along? I can assure you that it's longer than five hours. It's a short game but it's not five hours. It actually has replay value. You know, where you go and play the other modes to challenge yourself?
3. So everything that doesn't have online is crap. Okay, gotcha. Listen, you know nothing about games so don't pretend that you know about them. :)

And of course the disagree button is slammed. Cute, but no cigar.

morganfell3683d ago

juuken, he said no online is crap? Did he just insult Mass Effect and Bioshock?

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rroded3683d ago

qual + size trumps all

sigh still whining bout this when so many epic games get bashed harder for a lot less. dude should show some class and just stand behind his game no doubt all the gears one fans will b more than pleased from what we've seen.

cr33ping_death3683d ago

agreed..... quality plus size( Final Fantasy series ) does trump all.

still getting GEARS 2 :)

rexor07173683d ago

Both Gears and R2 will have huge amounts of quality, but I think R2 will just deliver more quality. Either way, I wish I could get both, but R2 will have to do. lol

Sharpshell3683d ago

considering Gears of War 1 was far too short and was barely criticised for it... makes me wonder about Gears of War 2... although there is some truth to the fact that dev time and costs are so extensive now, but seriously if anyone can make a game of decent length its Epic, but they choose to just turn out two games in a pretty short time period, but it worked for them so...

Lord Shuhei Yoshida3683d ago

Really? You must be right Capps since Gears has neither.

rosebowl233683d ago

360 games like Gears shouldnt be judged on size

but PS3 games like Heavenly Sword should

RIGHT GUYS

Drealmcc0y3683d ago

Gears has multiplayer and co op
HS has NOTHING

GiantEnemyCrab3683d ago

Don't turn this into a pity party for HS. It offered nothing beyond Single Player while Gears offered Co-Op and MP.

juuken3683d ago

Because it was an action/adventure game with a lot of replay value!

LIKE...OH MY GOD!

Tobias1233683d ago (Edited 3683d ago )

So...an extra 3-5 hours of co-op, and 8 player multiplayer...riiiiight. You have to judge each game on it's own merits. For a shooter, Gears of War had a horrifically short campaign and below-par multiplayer, but the gameplay was solid and the graphics were out of this world, so it's more than passable. Heavenly Sword is an action game, meant to be more like a summer blockbuster movie, not awfully long but with lots of action and entertainment crammed it, and it sported some of the greatest motion capture, voice acting, and graphics in games, as well as having extremely well tuned gameplay(in my honest opinion).

FantasyStar3683d ago

Everything about it was great. It was just short, that's all. The Voice Acting was great, gameplay was great, graphics is good. Lots of things. Only thing to downplay was playtime.

InMyOpinion3683d ago

HS hasn't even got trophies yet, not that many games do(3?) but it would at least add some replay value.

morganfell3683d ago (Edited 3683d ago )

For achievements and trophies to be important they have to matter to the individual. They are useful in games that lack good value or for those people that always feel the need to demonstrate to others something they have done. Personally I prefer to get a sense of reward from what I experienced.

@Cajun Chicken, not having to babysit Dom, Baird, and Cole this time would be wonderful. Especially after Cliffy made a point last time of saying you shouldn't have to babysit Team AI and then I died countless times trying to save that idiot Dom. barring that, either give me a leash for him or the ability to make him stay behind someplace out of the way.

I would also appreciate a modicum of common sense and have them make all cutscenes skippable, especially those right before a really tough section so that repeated deaths do not result in my brain and retinas being burned out by their forcing me to watch the same damn cutscene over and over again.

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