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The Divnich Tapes: Xbox 360's July Disappoinment

Following last week's release of NPD's July North American sales figures, EEDAR's director of analytical services Jesse Divnich presents his exclusive Gamasutra study of June's hardware and software trends.

In this analysis, Divnich comments on how Xbox 360 hardware performed below expectations with some of "the most disappointing results of the year", despite its discounted Pro model.

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ferdus-hutki-shira3683d ago (Edited 3683d ago )

Ps3 sales can increase

kevoncox3683d ago

I don't get the negavtive press tthat some people are trying to force on the 360. It has not have a meaningful price cut in 3 years. Anyone with a degree can tell you that sales will trickle after a cetain time has passed. I think MS is happy to be selling 200K a month at $20 dollars less than the introductory price.

People that are predicting gloom are idiots. Price cuts

JoySticksFTW3683d ago (Edited 3683d ago )

Please... PLEASE... stop your whining about 360 negative press. It's embarassing.

You weren't raising any objections when ps3 was getting slaughtered with negatives press last year, so stop Bytching!

For real, you look ridiculous right now

edit for spelling

PimpHandStrong3683d ago

PS3 sales have increased

unlike the 360 where the sales have gone down year after year!

anyway im not here to flame this

peace

chaosatom3683d ago (Edited 3683d ago )

anyway on topic: I still think there is confusion on which 360 to get. Arcade? core? or elite? because hard-drive cost a lots.

And I don't want to pay 50 bucks online if I am going to buy just one game like gears for example.

Second thing is that ps2 owerners are starting to like the ps3, so why not buy one. It's has good games, and lots more good games coming every month. Even downloable games are starting to pick up.

titntin3683d ago

Thats a pretty decent analysis, and the guy remains optimistic about the second half of the year, as he should!

Raider20003683d ago

Interesting to see this analysis. Pretty much spot on. I see some early reviews of Too Human are coming in under 80%...not good for an exclusive 360 release.

SilPho3683d ago

True... but it's not like every single PS3 exclusive is a 90%+ title.

juuken3683d ago

It's good that he's optimistic but no one can deny that the PS3 is gaining a *lot* of momentum.

karlostomy3683d ago (Edited 3683d ago )

Huh?

Is this the momentum you speak of Juuken?

http://www.n4g.com/News-182...
http://www.n4g.com/News-178...
http://www.n4g.com/News-174...

oh wait. you mean 'backward momentum'... yeah?

That would make more sense.

Time to extract your head from Sony's ass and take a whiff of reality, Princess!

Deary me..!

juuken3683d ago (Edited 3683d ago )

"Huh?"

Dur?

"Is this the momentum you speak of Juuken?

http://www.n4g.com/News-182...
http://www.n4g.com/News-178...
http://www.n4g.com/News-174...

...
...
...
...
...

LMFAO.

DOUBLE LMFAO.

*falling off her chair LMFAO*

You do realize that VG Chartz is not an accurate source? This is the same site who claimed that the 360 would outsell the PS3 in July because of the pricecut when the PS3 actually outsold it despite that pricecut! I cannot believe you are *that* naive to even mention VG Chartz when they were caught red-handed inflating 360 numbers.

I'll wait for NPD thank you very much, because that is more accurate than anything VG FailChartz dishes out.

"oh wait. you mean 'backward momentum'... yeah?"

Oh wait, you have the audacity to use VG Chartz? Oh deary me!

"That would make more sense."

In the world of 360 fans, VG Chartz makes sense when 360 numbers are unfairly inflated. But when it shows the PS3 outselling the 360, it's a crap site.

Lol, lol, and double lolz.

"Time to extract your head from Sony's ass and take a whiff of reality, Princess!"

Time to take your comment to the Open Zone where it belongs! :)
That was uncalled for, and it completely destroyed your argument karl. That's why you have three bubbles and your arguments never make sense most of the time. I highly suggest doing some more research before you approach me with that drivel.

"Deary me..!"

Super megalopolis lulz!

scoobysnacks3682d ago

But as I'd taken the time to write this, i'll post it anyway.

Sorry Karl, but your wrong.

VGChartz figures for July for North America.

http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...

xbox 360 at 310,000 and PS3 at only 180,000

WRONG.....

The links you just provided are from VGChartz that use these same wrong calculations within their worldwide calculations.

NPD figures show, Xbox 360 sold 204.8K and the PS3 sold 224.9K for July . VGChartz are 45,000 under tracked on PS3 and a massive 105,000 over tracked on 360.

http://www.n4g.com/industry...

VGChartz figures for the month of July are unreliable. If you work out the difference between the 360 and the PS3 in the links you provide it only comes to 62,000 worldwide in those 3 weeks. Now go and work out how far off their USA July figures are, its a lot more that 62,000.

But if you insist on using VGC as a source, take at look at this.

http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps...

PS3 worldwide for 2008 = 5.63 million
360 worldwide for 2008 = 4.28 million

That’s 1.35 million ahead of the 360, that’s called forward momentum Karl, not backwards.

You want to boast about an unreliable figure of 62,000 when the PS3 has a lead this year of 1.35 million. Better wake up and smell the coffee.

Bubbles Juuken, and sorry Karl, but minus bubbles for you.

karlostomy3682d ago (Edited 3682d ago )

my favourite SDF trolls return!
....awesome....

I am glad to garner such an anguished response from both of you.
...was starting to think I had scared you into silence again...

Unfortunately VGchartz is inaccurate, yes.
BUT VGchartz estimates are also the ONLY source of WORLDWIDE sales data that we have access to, to see the trends.
The Vgchartz statistical process is one of taking samples of the whole population of sales and making estimates based on those samples.
Do they get it right all the time? No, of course not.
Does it mean they ONLY overestimate the 360 all the time? no...!
Does it mean the ps3 also gets overestimated sometimes? yes...!

You see guys it is not as simple as you would like to believe.
No one is 'out to get the poor ps3' and no conspiracy against it exists, whether that be vgchartz, the 'lazy' developer community, EA or whatever! Please leave your paranoia out of this.

It is exceptionally naive (!) and almost childish of both of you to think that just because VGchartz got July woefully wrong (and other months out by smaller margins) that it ceases to have relevance.

Until actual, confirmed retail data comes out, VGCHARTZ is good enough for N4g. Certainly, as far as worldwide data is concerned, we have nothing else!

Oh and by the way, scoobz, that article you quoted was a 'predictive' article. ie: it was not intended to reflect actual sales. It was someone's opinion! You knew that, right? Please say you knew that! (Oh wait... don't answer that....that's embarrasing ignorance for a 40 year old like you.)

Finally,
IF it turns out that in the August NPD, 360 outsold the ps3 in August and VGchartz tracked this accurately, will you send me a friendly PM humbly acknowledging this?

I will do the same for you both.
That's fair isn't it?

scoobysnacks3682d ago (Edited 3682d ago )

well as civil as you seem to be capable of, as there was still a few cheap jibes mixed in there. However , I’ll reply in a civil manner.

I’m glad that you see VGChartz are not the most accurate of sites. My point was not that they should never be quoted, but for you to quote their worldwide estimates for three weeks of July, when their American sales figures for that month were so inaccurate, brings those worldwide figures in to question. They’ve also been very inaccurate in the past, so this isn’t an isolated case. Of course that’s only the way I see it, but I believe a lot of people here on N4G would also see it that way. You are of course entitled to your own opinion, but please, don’t quote VGChartz figures as you did in the above post, as if their numbers are gospel, and that you have to constantly put others here on N4G down.

As you stated, VGChartz numbers are purely estimates. Their wording in the link I supplied was “For July, we expect NPD to report that” , i.e. we expect, predict, estimate. So Karl,the worldwide figures you’ve linked to on VGChartz are estimates, i.e. predictions.

Now, even if those numbers are correct, it’s not that great an amount to be outselling the competition by when you take worldwide numbers for the month.

You call me and others here who disagree with your posts as being paranoid. But this is what is emanating from you with the constant SDF comments that you insist on using in every one of your posts. I’ve complemented microsoft in the past in regard to their games library and online service, and have stated Sony have made mistakes. So thats hardly the actions of a member of such a fictitious group. I owned a 360, and if definitive proof can be given that the hardware problems are fixed, it may convince me to put my trust back with them when they release their next console.

You seem to think anyone who argues with your views and posts comments back (and as you mainly put Sony and the PS3 down, those counter arguments are bound to be pro Sony), then that individual is a member of some make believe SDF. Are your really that naive to believe that? You only speak pro Microsoft, so does that make you a MSDF member? You actions would seem to suggest so.

I’m not out to get the 360, check my posts, I’ve not gone into any 360 articles and said things like the 360’s dead, PS3 ftw, etc. I mainly stay in PS3 topics, as I happen to own a PS3. I’m glad Microsoft are in this console business, it keeps Sony on their toes. Its you that seem to think (at least your comments here on N4G seem to suggest it), that their is a conspiracy against the 360. And by the way, I’ve never said anything like lazy developers, check my comments.

Oh and just to correct you, I’m not 40, your making guesses, as I never told you how old I am. I only stated here a few months ago, for all to see in one of my comments how old I am, and thats 36.

And yes, if in August, the figures come out that the 360 outsells the PS3, I’ll send you a PM to congratulate Microsoft on their getting back the American market for the month, will you do the same if the PS3 does though? You state you will, so lets see.......

juuken3682d ago (Edited 3682d ago )

"my favourite SDF trolls return!
....awesome...."

Wow karl, you have some nerve calling people trolls when you act like one on a daily basis!

And the SDF?! I cannot believe you think an SDF exists. What are you, five years old?

"I am glad to garner such an anguished response from both of you.
...was starting to think I had scared you into silence again..."

Scared *who* into silence exactly? Did you think we weren't going to respond and put you in your place?

"Unfortunately VGchartz is inaccurate, yes."

Lol, then why did you quote them?

"BUT VGchartz estimates are also the ONLY source of WORLDWIDE sales data that we have access to, to see the trends."

...I highly doubt that. Perhaps if you did more research, you would find places with better predictions than VG FailChartz.

"The Vgchartz statistical process is one of taking samples of the whole population of sales and making estimates based on those samples."

Eestimates of which either inflates the 360 numbers *or* make the PS3 sound as if it's losing so badly to the 360.

Did you know that many sites have banned VG FailChartz? No...you didn't know that, *did* you?

"Do they get it right all the time? No, of course not."

Then *why* quote them?

"Does it mean they ONLY overestimate the 360 all the time? no...!
Does it mean the ps3 also gets overestimated sometimes? yes...!"

No, that's just you displaying your utmost hatred for the PS3.

"You see guys it is not as simple as you would like to believe.
No one is 'out to get the poor ps3' and no conspiracy against it exists, whether that be vgchartz, the 'lazy' developer community, EA or whatever! Please leave your paranoia out of this."

Lolz, paranoia. The media has been very biased towards the PS3 since 2007. There are many people who want to see it fail and are afraid that they're being proven wrong that it will fail. You, karl are one of those people. You want to see the PS3 fail so badly that you can rub it in the faces of PS3 owners with every single chance you get. I love how you only come out when there is even a single piece of good news for the PS3.

You are unbelievable.

"It is exceptionally naive (!) and almost childish of both of you to think that just because VGchartz got July woefully wrong (and other months out by smaller margins) that it ceases to have relevance."

IT HAS NO RELEVANCE. WHY DO YOU THINK MANY WEBSITES HAVE BANNED THEM?

They're numbers are usually full of BS, especially now.

"Until actual, confirmed retail data comes out, VGCHARTZ is good enough for N4g. Certainly, as far as worldwide data is concerned, we have nothing else!"

...You are so blind dude...so blind indeed. *shakes head*

"Oh and by the way, scoobz, that article you quoted was a 'predictive' article. ie: it was not intended to reflect actual sales. It was someone's opinion! You knew that, right? Please say you knew that! (Oh wait... don't answer that....that's embarrasing ignorance for a 40 year old like you.)"

What does his age have to do with his comment? At least he responded with a lot more intelligence than you just did. Lolz, so says the 360 fan who claims VG FailChartz is so freakin' reliable.

"Finally,
IF it turns out that in the August NPD, 360 outsold the ps3 in August and VGchartz tracked this accurately, will you send me a friendly PM humbly acknowledging this?"

...No. If it did outsell the PS3, that's only because of Tales of Vesperia in Japan. And if the PS3 manages to outsell the 360 *again*, will you promise never to open your mouth again?

"I will do the same for you both.
That's fair isn't it?"

Will you close your mouth if VGChartz data turns out to be false?

karlostomy3681d ago (Edited 3681d ago )

ok then, scoobz, you are not a troll. But definitely ps3 biased.
I will pm you if that is the case in august, just as i will expect one from you if the shoe is on the other foot.

As far as me being a MSDF... haha.. call it what you will. Did you read my bio? I take it you have read my posting history? (I am flattered I am that important to you, if you have)
Both my bio and commenting history clearly indicate I am a fan of the 360 over the ps3! All of my posts bear this hallmark.
When do I pretend to be unbiased? never!
At least I am what I say I am and not some 'stealth-troll' or 'flip-flopper'..

Just to fill you in scoobz... i have been here quite a while and seen some major console debate memes come and go. There was, without a doubt, quite a bit of conspiracy theory and paranoia going around in the ps3 camp due to poor multi releases and delays etc. Developers were blamed, MS was cursed, VGchartz was/is cursed etc etc... However, since MGS4 and increased ps3 sales, the hubbub has died down a bit.

It would seem obvious though, that in contrast, Juuken IS a SDF troll of the highest order!
I don't think I have met anyone in the Sonyfan-herd of her Troll calibre, except maybe NASIM.
At times I am tempted to think she IS NASIM!

As a side note....
Interesting Juuken, how you say that VGchartz should not be used because they have been banned from other sites...LOL... didn't YOU get banned also from those other sites?
WTF really?
come now, girl, ... be honest... lol

My guess is VGchartz will continue to be posted and discussed and used in the absence of any other applicable data analysis for now and in the future on N4g. I certainly will enjoy reading their weekly sales analysis and will also continue to use their sales predictions until proven otherwise with actual data.

If you don't like that, Juuken, it may help if you try spitting out some of those sour grapes you have been chewing on - at least every now and then!

XD

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