TalkPlayStation.com writes"News has just come in that LucasArts upcoming Star Wars game, The Force Unleashed will not support the Playstation 3's Trophy system. We contacted Adam Kahn, LucasArts Senior PR Manager for confirmation"
should not sway the decision of starwars fans (like me) Its still a great buy BUT for those who were on the fence (for what reason may concern them), this isn't good news.
Well Trophies aside. I'm gonna need to wait on some reviews or maybe even a rental before I commit to buy. Star Wars games have always been hit and miss with me. Honestly, from what I've seen this doesn't look that great, not when you compare it to some other titles on the horizon, I could be wrong though, hence the reviews/rental.
...I'm going to wait for the review(s) also. I can count on both hands and feet the number of times I've bought Star Wars games and damn near vomited a little at how bad they were and at how little money I'd get back for trade ins.
This is news. Just crapy news for the the Sony trophies peps.
So I am guessing Trophies aren't going to be a standard yet.
It is a bummer that there are no trophy's off the bat or any confirmed plans of future trophy's that I know of. Still the game has me sold it looks to be one of the best if not the best Star Wars game yet IMO. Topping Jedi Academy, and the KotOR's in many respects. SCIV shows that the force is strong with Starkiller "The Apprentice." The physics , the graphics, the lightsaber, the story which fills in a void in the Star Wars Universe time-line, the lightsaber wielded with a unique style. Lucas digs it, The light side , the Dark side , Vader, and other notable cameo's. The lightsaber..... its all there and it all seems to be in order.
Trophies are standard it's just that Sony implemented the trophies late so some developers can't implement them in their games. If a developer is more than 50% done chances of them implementing the trophy system is slim. All developers can’t be saying, “Everyone stop development on the PlayStation 3 build we have to implement trophies now.” That would take too long to do but future games will support the trophy system that start from scratch after the system was implemented.
They are not standard and they will never be that way. This is an thought (aka a rip off). 360 has them standard in every game MS wont even allow a game to be release that doesnt have them in. Sony is in a very bad postion they are losing dev support left and right. So they cant try to enforce anything that they add to the psn or home (if its ever released). While the 360 still acconts of over 50% of all sofware sells this gen. So if they want to make something standard they are in a good pstion with devs to that.
@1.7 what are you talking about... Trophies will become a standard, games dont have them for now because the games that are releasing now and soon were already started and almost finished when the trophie system was available...Developpers have to plan this at start. Devs will have to introduce them in their games, ps3 owners are buying more and more games, and its gonna be tough for them to avoid trophies. May i remind you that EA made more profit with ps3 than xbox (softwares)
I'm pretty sure they're standard just that the 3D representation of the trophies in PlayStation Home won't be. Like for example the exclusive game Siren: Blood Curse doesn't have trophies because in development they didn't have that in mind. I'll know for sure when new games that start development after not during the trophy update software doesn't support trophies. I know for sure anything in PlayStation Home is by choice by developers if they want to spend the extra time advertising their game for free. If you think about it having an Uncharted 2 T-Shirt would be advertising, pretty smart.
Its nice to see that blind fanboy have no clue was to what the word standard means. If they were standard they be in star wars force unleashed and every other game that is on the ps3 but they are not there for they are not standard.
i was going to get the game before trophies were announced so this won't sway me
I am not buying it anymore.
aaawwwww ah well still a buy for me!
Devs. need to know that if they add trophies to a game it will sell more copies. When they added trophies to SSHD they sold a lot of copies of that game. Then when Uncharted add them, I turned on my ps3 on and there was more than 10 of my friends playing the game and that went on for days. Trophies=more sales
Yeah, I still hope they patch it with it later though. If they already have a built-in award system like Uncharted, it makes lil sense not to.
I will still get the game. Trophies can be added later.
There are no guarentee that it will get trophies in the future and it will probably not. Trophies is an after thought by Sony to copy Microsoft. It won't be standard for a long time. If the don't add trophies later on the PS3 fans are probably going to say the devs are [email protected] and curse them and say they are fat or something stupid.
But why in the he11 did Sony not make trophies mandatory moving forward on all games once they announced the system? It just doesn't make sense for it not to be mandatory if you are trying to have a "robust" trophey system for users to really get behind. And this hurts the replay value of the game imo. I mean once you play through it, what is the real motivation to play the game again since it has only single player in it? Sure Star Wars fans will play it again, but for the avg. gamer this might be better served as a rental than a buy on the PS3.
they did. I think they said that every game that starts development 3 months after the trophy system came into play would have to have trophies. It's not something that can be done overnight. StarWars began development a few years ago. It would be unfair on the Lucas team if they had to go back and create trophies for the game. I believe the reason ND got their trophies out for Uncharted so quickly was because they had been working on them for some quite time.
So patching it was easy. But if Stars Wars doesn't have a similar system in place, then setting up the Trophy System could be a very big undertaking. They'd have to program in flags to keep track of the player's progress, and make sure that it works correctly. And since development is already close to completion, they probably don't have the manpower to implement and then test it. Trophies will be standard at a certain point for all releases, but it's unfair for Sony to ignore the rights of development teams.
I am 99% sure that Sony made a statement that they were NOT going to be making Trophies mandatory for developers. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I recall Gearbox's president confirmed Sony was not making it mandatory. http://www.videogamer.com/n... As for your comment DJ. Given this title is coming to the 360 and PS3 it seems it would have been rather easy to implement some of the achievements already being used for the 360 as trophies for the PS3 version.
http://au.ps3.gamespy.com/a... "Lempel: We're working with developers to hit a deadline. It's not something that we're trying to force on them, since it eats into their development schedules. Many of them want to do it. It's just there's some additional work on their end; someone has to create art and assets, and we don't want to interfere with what they're currently working on. Ultimately, we'll have trophies for every game, but we didn't want to force it on them immediately." I think that guy from Gearbox was speaking about the present situation?
they could push the sells if they implemented trophies. well their decision.:)
They need to make it mandatory for all future games to have trophies - its not the be all and end all of gaming but really - consistency is the key. Agree about Starwars games in general though - Still waiting on Kotor3.............
I believe Sony are making trophy support mandatory, cant remember the date off the top of my head but it's soon'ish (Jan maybe). Still you cant blame Lucas Arts, this game began development well before trophies where around. Perhaps they will patch it at a later date.
Wasn't going to get it. Now I definitely won't...not even in the future. I've got bigger fish like Mercs 2, Resistance 2, Bioshock, Farcrt2, Fallout 3, lilbigplanet and Spiderman Web of Shadows. All coming out within 2 months of each other.
I look forward to this game anyway. Although its bull spit that the wii and DS versions are getting Multiplayer and 360 and PS3 will not, that is just a bad marketing move to highest level.
haha really?...I haven't followed this game like...at all...not one thing in it has caught my interest so far, other than a few hands on saying it was surprisingly great... but what the hell would you do with 'online' on the Wii with this game?...the wii is AWESOME at online multiplayer, we all know that...and I agree with you if this really is the case...
Cant argue with that.
i doubt trophies alone would be able to sway a person into buying a game
You'd surprised. Most PS3 fans here on N4G we're saying "no trophies no buy" in a lot of articles. The one I can remember was GRID.
But as soon as I read Uncharted's Trophies were live, I ordered a copy that same day. They're not going to make a turd of a game worth buying, but they'll certainly add a bit more value to a good game.
I remember when Sony fanboys thought achievements were stupid and pointless. Now they won't buy games without them. Achievements/Trophies can really push an already great game over the top. The Forced Unleashed looks awesome. I haven't played a Star Wars game since N64... but the videos look amazing. Having such amazing force power was something every fan could dream about having in a game.
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actually i was waiting for you to say something about this but it seems that you're running out of ideas. bot. everybody knows and expects only first and second party's to implement trophies this year and third party next year but as ever you don't even know what you're talking about. ;-) you're as lost as ever. you really suck as a troll. LOL
Hrm. Probably something like: "MS paid Lucasarts to not include trophies" or "Blah blah blah my daddie touches my peenie RROD RROD RROD bot!" or "It doesn't matter with the power of the Cell the Trophies will magically appear" or "This game sucks anyway, the developers are lazy and I didn't want the game anyway"
you have some growing up to do.
.... when the hell are we gonna get some trophies in new games!??! WTF! seriously, theres only 2 games with throphies right now.
more than 2, SSHD, PJ: Eden, Uncharted, Buzz, and Warhawk from the 27th, and Pain is also getting them too, as is Ferrari Challenge.
I count 3: Stardust HD Eden Drake's Fortune I think Pain gets trophies on the August 24th.
4 games currently have trophies. (Though I don't think Buzz is out in NA). On top of that: Warhawk's patch is due on the 27th. Some are retroactive. Pain's patch is due on September 4th. Burnout Paradise's trophies will be retroactive.
I can live with out them! Hopefully the demo arrives soon :)
I think all developers should give 100% support for consoles. It was a certain buy, now I don't know.
so achivments are mandatory but trophys arent but i bet swtfu will have a reward system in it like resitance darksector burnout all those could have trophy patches done easily if the put in achievments but not trophys its more like there removing content
but i guess the PS3 version will have better physics thx to the SPUs (if they used them properly...)
Pity that it will not have them out of the box, however I do feel that it will be patched later.
1. This game (and most others this year) have been in development alot longer that trophy kits have been available. 3rd party trophies will NOT be standard till 09!!!!! 2. Trophies are NOT as easy to add in as achievements. Achievements have been built into the 360 from DAY 1, and are literally lines of text! You will be disappointed if you expect games launching between now and around October to all have trophies. Nov, Dec, and 09 games are a much better chance. Only EXPECT trophies from Sony First Party in 08. The game looks great and as long as trophies aren't a huge fuss they may add them later. I am a bit disappointed it will not launch with them but whats on offer here looks to be well worth the buy anyway. Demo this Thursday I hear anyway!
Achievements are not just lines of text, each one has an art work. In my mind they are very similar to trophies.
OMFG how hard is it to implement some f*cking sprites into a game. Lazy ass devs.
i agree with you 100%, just watch the language... Edit: yeah i feel ya, i also wrote a couple of times, that the implementing of trophies can't take longer than one week for the devs... but you have to agree, that it is also Sonys fault, because they aren't pushing/forcing the devs to implement them.
Sorry, but its just really disappointing and frustrating to hear game after game after game not getting trophies, even when they have plenty of time to implement them.
how much time it takes to implement Trophies (or even Achievements) into a game? are you a game developer? who knows what Lucasarts resources are like for this game. maybe manpower has already been allocated to the NEXT project they are working on, considering that TFU is about a month or two from release. to create Trophies (i'm assuming, since it's a retail game, you'd have about 45-50 Achievements): 1.) you'd need some artists to create the art for the trophies. depending on this artists workload, who knows how long it would take him/her to create the icons for the Trophies. Uncharted solved this by using the exact same icon for each Trophy, but that won't fly with all games. 2) you'd need some programmers/coders, to implement the triggers into the code to unlock the Trophies when the correct parameters are met. this may not require a dramatic rewrite in code, but any change in the script could cause new bugs (hell, we just got a new build that is crashing like crazy, even though previous builds were more stable. why? who knows? fixes can cause new issues). in this case, you'd be creating a new line(s) of code for EACH of the 45-50 Trophies in the game. 3) last but not least, you'd have to QA ALL of those Trophies to make sure that they unlock when the correct parameters are reached, and not before, or after, or never. this requires QA Testers, and depending on the complexity of the Trophy, it could take a day or two, to an entire MONTH. please keep in mind that manufacturers require at LEAST 3 weeks from the time the game goes gold to ship the master disc out to the manufacturer so it can be used to create the hundreds of thousands to millions of discs that need to be produced before they are finally packaged and shipped to stores before release. The Force Unleashed ships in late September, meaning it's approaching Gold status. QA isn't complete, but it would delay the game significantly to suddenly implement Trophies prior to release. the Trophy kits were only made available, what, a month ago? not nearly enough time for a near complete to complete title releasing in the next 1-5 months to implement the feature. Sony is being surprisingly generous in not forcing devs to implement Trophies in their new titles, as that would do more harm than good. do YOU want games like Mercenaries 2, Star Wars, Mirror's Edge, Fallout 3, and other good-looking 3rd party titles to be delayed by three or four months just so you can unlock something that, at the end of the day, doesn't really ADD anything to the gameplay? i enjoy Trophies, and it's nice to get them in Uncharted, but they don't DO anything, or suddenly make Uncharted anymore awesome than it already was when i played it back in November of 2007. rest easy in knowing that Sony has confirmed that Trophies will become mandatory for games releasing in 2009, now that the Trophy kits are out, and most games have an "Achievement/Accomplishme nt" system in place already. a game hitting in March or April 2009 would have plenty of time to do what i highlighted was necessary before to implement the titles. even a January/February title could implement them in some way.
Oh please, stop trying to justify the developers laziness, its pathetic. They don't need to create brand new trophy art, just use the default set of icons they already have. And those "triggers" can't be that damn hard to implement, its probably one or two lines of code, which when it is triggered, is external from the games code (the trophies store on your ps3). Trophies are barely any different from achievements, they're just triggers, except instead of a number, its small picture.
so how long have you been working as a game developer? or was it all just theory in your comment? i have now 4 years behind me in the gaming industry, i haven't yet worked with the Trophy system, but i know how much time do progs/graphic artists need for certain tasks thx to my experience. So please if you aren't a dev, just don't make any super clever comments, that like vickers500 wrote - "trying to justify the developers laziness". thx
but i've been working in the gaming industry for the past four or five years (i lost count, honestly), and i've seen how games are made, and a lot of the process that goes into making games. no, i don't know everything about that process, but i know it's just not as easy to make changes to game code this late in the game without drastically effecting other things, not to mention the additional cost it would take to implement those changes. the devs aren't being lazy in this instance, they are being economical. and i'm sure publisher pressure has a lot to do with it also. i'm pretty sure they weighed the costs of delaying the PS3 version of the game until they could implement Trophies, against just releasing the game day and date with other versions of the game (as to not shortchange PS3 fans that are really excited about this game), and just patching the Trophies in at a later date, and decided it'd be better for them to simply patch the game at a later date. i don't just pull my comments out of my @ss, and try to base them off of what i'm aware as being the truth, and my own experiences. from my point of view, i just don't see the guys at Lucasarts creating, coding, playtesting, passing TRG requirements, making a master disc, sending it to the manufacturer, and having it processed and shipped to the store in the 35 days from now until the game's release on September 16th. that's all. i personally don't see Trophies as being so vital to a gameplay experience that it makes or breaks a game. i like them, but they aren't necessary. so i get a message and some points if i Force Choke 30 Stormtroopers. i was going to do that anyway, so how is this adding anything to the game? (that's a made up Achievement/Trophy by the way; i don't work at Lucasarts, so i have no idea what their Achievements/Trophies would be). you don't have to take a superior attitude just because you work in the gaming industry too. your experience is valuable, and it can be informative, but it doesn't make you any better or worse than anybody else on this site. i state my opinion to the best of my knowledge and abilities, and do so in an effort to maybe clear up any confusion those that DON'T work in the industry may have. like most things with the PS3, they get resolved over time. remember when there was NOTHING on the PSN? no trailers, no worthwhile games, no video store? NOTHING. there will be a time when we look back and think, "man, i remember when NO GAMES had Trophies, now ALL new releases do!" with you having worked in the gaming industry, i'd think you'd understand the necessity and virtue of patience.
I'll probably just rent it. I don't plan to buy any games I can beat within ten hours anymore. It's just not worth the green to me.
Sony said that most games releasing this year won't support Trophies, because they understand that a lot of the titles slated for this year (especially now that we are in the last 5 months of the year), don't have enough time to implement Trophies into the game. most games released from 2009 and on, however, WILL support Trophies, as those games aren't in the final stages, and the Trophy system can be implemented much easier than a game that's less than 3 months from release. unless of course the developer has some frigging FORESIGHT, like Naughty Dog, and built triggers for Trophies into the game from the outset, so it'd be a simple matter of linking the Trophy system to their triggers, and there you go. it's kind of funny to me how so many developers didn't anticipate that Sony would HAVE to have some sort of Achievements like system at somepoint in the future, and didn't plan for it. funny, or sad? a little bit of both. for example, The Chronicles of Riddick (the game i'm working on), has Trophies. since the game already has an "Accomplishment system" for the PC and PS3 version, and naturally Achievements for the 360 version, they just turned "Accomplishments" into Trophies. and this is from a dev that, honestly, isn't one of the best in the industry like Naughty Dog (NDA keeps me from talking too in depth about Riddick, so i won't criticize it too harshly). a part of me thinks developers are still suffering from some early bias from the 360's head start, but i think the real reason is simply time. Sony didn't give them the "Trophy kits" (for lack of a better term) soon enough, or they weren't aware of Sony having plans to implement an Achievement like system (which makes me scratch my head, personally. i mean, people really DIDN'T see that coming after Achievements got so popular??). in either case, i'm picking up The Force Unleashed on my PS3 regardless, and besides, when the Trophy patch is inevitably released, it'll give me reason to play through the game again (well, if the game is actually as good as it's looking, of course).
o well ill stick with warhawk not a buy until it patched
need to put down some expectations that devs should meet from now on. Some people like Dice and EA have gotten away with a lot of stuff online this yr oh and also konami with their disastrous online payment options and download. thss is why xbox live is good for people at times cus MS tells them to meet their expectations. Btw i do own BOTH consoles
I don't think Sony are in a position to dictate to developers, they would just not release a PS3 version or release it after other versions, not what Sony would want. Sony should have had all these thing in place from day one, they had a year to take the 360 a part and copy these sorts of features.
And this is the main reason why trophies are a failure. Just a lil to late to the party and its the main reason why I always buy multiplatform games on my 360 because I'm already hooked on achievements.
and in general they are the better version.
If the 360 version has achievements, then this is bullcrap.
you can't make a 360 game without achievements...its part of the licensing process...MS forces devs to do it...Sony doesn't...why Sony doesn't, who knows...but maybe they will after devs have had the updated kits long enough to be able to implement them easily...
It's Sony's fault for not having the proper developer RESTRICTIONS/REQUIREMENTS. Another 360 version added to my already huge library of games that Sony failed to entice a PS3v choice. Starting to consider selling my PS3, so I can pay for all of the 360 games I'll be buying this year.
(cue the Sanford and Son theme) ghetto wannabe achievements FTL!
how very ironic that a 360 fan refers to another system's anything as 'ghetto'... people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks...