GamersFTW writes - Poor Tomb Raider! In what has been one of the best months for gaming in quite a while, the title was completely overshadowed by juggernauts such as Fallout 4
2 reasons for this... Firstly, being an exclusive on the Xbox was a stupid idea... do they even know that Xbox is falling way behind PS4? Why wouldn't you even do that?! Secondly, what game in their right mind would release around the same time as Fallout 4? That has to be the worse business decision in the word.... EVER.
First point: Because $$$
I keep seeing people post making it an xbox exclusive was a stipid idea due to the xbox one not setting as well as the ps4. We don't know when the deal was made it could of been made before the xbox one was released just like Titanfall was. I do agree with the timing of the game was not great for me a game like this needs to look to launch feb march to hit big sales numbers. Alan Wake was another game that came out at the wrong time. I do think this is one thing MS need to look to change with there games though as for me Sony were smart pushing UC4 back to next year as we all know the games like AC, Fifa, COD will beat most game sales and stop people picking up other games too. TR is on my wanted list though I am really enjoying the 1st but due to having a busy year I have a back log of games to get through before I pickup some of the big games of this year like halo, Fallout and forza 6 dan getting older.
"I keep seeing people post making it an xbox exclusive was a stipid idea due to the xbox one not setting as well as the ps4. We don't know when the deal was made it could of been made before the xbox one was released just like Titanfall was." There was only a few weeks between the initial reveal (which made no mention of platform) and the exclusivity announcement. Microsoft themselves went on record stating they were still working to secure the exclusivity terms of the game in that interim (and as it looked likely to happen no platforms were initially announced at all). In other words, the deal was still being finalised pretty close up until the game was announced as exclusive. It most certainly wasn't a years-in-the-making kind of deal.
It's true though! Last gen most developers choose to release timed exclusives first on the Xbox 360, because it had such a commanding lead over the PS3, and for the most part in most instances it paid off. No one knew how this generation would ultimately play out, but many developers were basing their business decisions on the outcome of last generation model! Sure the PS3 caught up in overall sales, but in the U.S Xbox 360 still had that commanding lead and the majority of multiplatform games still sold better on the Xbox 360. This generation the scenario is the total opposite, and a lot of the business decision made were already in motion! Like TitanFall, and possibly even Tomb Raider. Though those deals had likely been made on the grand scheme of things they were probably viewed as insignificant deals, because 1 TitanFall was a new IP being sold to a small install base at the time. 2 Tomb Raider's deal was likely made because the developers didn't feel or know that the PS4 was going to sell at the rate it has, the developers at the time were experiencing financial troubles and Microsoft were present to help alleviate some of the financial stress. Knowing where the consoles stand in the market today I think it's fairly safe to say some of the deals made prior to the 8th generations inception would not have been made if they would have known where we'd be today! This is likely why CoD, SW developers sided with Sony in the first place, because they saw the shift.
@Articuno76 ive not seen anything where MS have come out and said that but ok if they did but you have to agree with what I have said above. TR is a great game but the issue is there were bigger named games out the same time TR came out on the xbox one and also the xbox ones biggest IP halo. So add Halo, Forza 6, Fallout, Fifa, COD even the new star wars game to that list and there are not many games that could go up against them. @stuna1 I agree with what you have said though I also don't think TR would of hit the numbers that the last one hit on the PS3 on the PS4 due to the games above coming out at the same time.
We know that the game was first teased by square for all major platforms including the ps4.... Ms paid for them to delay it on the non Xbox systems, pure and simple... Then when they re-announced rise of the thomb raider they tried to make everybody believe it was a true exclusive!... Sneaky bastards! You can think what you will of the game, dealings around it are shady at best.
Blows my mind why they launched the game in the middle of CoD and Fallout... Especially since they went a whole 7 months between anything. CD should take one more que from ND and launch in the spring...
This game would have done much better in August or September.
You can add Halo 5 to the mix... The 'greatest xbox holiday lineup in history' bomb-shell of a promotion blew up in Square's face...I hope the check form MS was chubby enough to compensate.
I love articles like this. Because its people who have ZERO idea (including us) how well the game is selling. Claiming its getting killed. The game could very well be selling just fine. Remember many people can afford more than one game. Add to that digital sales and bundles and the volume its doing is anyones guess. The only reason articles like this exists is because it came out on the X1. It's console war click bait and it feeds the majority of the people in this thread. OH yeah and its ONLY Fallout, BF, and COD that would cause it to sell poorly, not Halo. shocking.
If you are MS you don't care if the game is going to sell well or not. In either cases it's a win-win situation for MS. MS forced the developpers Eidos and Crystal Dynamics to release the game in this period. They wanted the best line up in history. Had said that, MS having the exclusivity deal, the devs complied with MS decision fully knowing that fallout was out, and just before that halo was out too. To this point, even if TR doesn't break even, it will only hurt the devs. MS couldn't care less. They have their line up. If the game doesn't do well, it's the devs that will be hurt economically. To this point, it's also a goof point for MS. Right now MS is willing to buy assets, not to just to improve their brand, but also to fragilise the competition. It's one of their trade made mark in business. Making Crystal Dynamics and Eidos dependent of MS via exclusivity, releasing AAA in unfavoral period, only make it more easy for MS to adquire Eidos at a cheap deal. If you repeat the process over sometimes, the devs will find themselves broke. Even releasing the game in other platforms won't help, as it will cost money for developing and the economical success is far from guarantied. Companies making deals with MS should be very careful with what they are doing. They may find themselves in a very bad unwanted situation.
Reminds me Alan Wake releasing the same day as Red Dead Redemption.
or u can look at it as they wanted their loyal customers who went out and purchased a xboxone to have as many choices as possible this holiday season? either way this game is badass and loving it so far 30% done
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Played like a damn fiddle!
It was bound to happen, priority for Steam Sales though!
Will buy the game in steam sale.
MS should've release it early next year instead of the holidays
The sales in the uk maybe. That doesn't mean it sold horribly everywhere.
The game has 2000 viewers on Twitch...compared to 100 000 for Fallout 4. Just saying
I fear for the series longevity. If square Elena doesn't at least match the life sales of number 1, rise may be the last one we get. That's past 8 million units. I doubt ps4 users will come out in droves to buy the title within a what will be at that time the one year mark. It will sale but not in those numbers I don't think. This was a horrible, horrible deal. Conceived at some point to counter the release of Uncharted 4. Sony simply moved the game over to 2016 and just like that, left MS holding the bag.
Especially if it releases next holiday for PS4 as it looks like will happen. It will get lost in the holiday shuffle, and won't have nearly the hype it does this year
Not t sure what the deal is but if it really sells so bad I could even see Square release it early for PS4.
The ps4 version will be like a remaster too, with better aa and frame rate ;-)
This is my fear. I loved the first one and would love to play rise as well. However if they can't guarantee a continuation of the story then i wonder why I should invest my time. A story is only as good if they can't complete their story arc. It's a cycle, they need to sell well but I question why I should invest if I can't complete my story with additional games.
how can you say it's a horrible deal when you have no idea how much Microsoft has paid them. I am certain square and crystal dynamics have done just fine. p.s completed the game yesterday and its outstanding
Because it's clearly damaged the brand, a bad deal isn't just about $$$ it makes straight away, it's also about how badly it affected it at making money in the future. I also doubt MS paid them for weak sales of the Xbox versions, so it probably negatively impacted Square's wallet short term too.
We know they at least planned a trilogy, so I think they'll take the hit and have one final crack at it, if it sells less than TR 2013. I just hope Square know it was them that screwed up, not CD. http://www.shacknews.com/ar...
Sales aren't going to stop the next game from being made, because of all the money MS dropped for the excluvise deal.
I think the exclusivity deal was what done the most damage imo. They took the game away from the majority fanbase so of course sales are gonna drop. I love the game so far (gotta take a break for a bit to get my bloodborne save up to scratch to do the dlc so won't have it finished soon) and I'd recommend pc and ps4 players to pick it up when it releases on those platforms.
I'm curious of Ps4 gamers will pay full price for a game that's a year old. Could also hurt the game's sales.
Yep, I've thought of that too. It would have to include any extras that release between now and then to maximise its sales potential. I can see a lot of people waiting until it's second hand as well. I know that's what I was gonna do at one point. It'll definitely be interesting to see how it goes next year.
I'm the guy that you are referring to. Low range PC, with a PS4 and no XB1. I'm will not pay full price for the PS4 version. But I will gladly pay $50 with all the DLC included. Gamers that main on PC, will probably wait for a sale as well. It seems to be a good game, but it will feel dated by the time it reaches other platforms.
I wouldn't pay full price for a year-old game. In a year, I highly doubt I'll even remember this game exists.
I might get this game when it comes to ps+ in a couple years. No rush
Love that avatar.
Fans will buy it reguardless I repeat FANS will buy it. The people that don't buy it are not fans. Example I never played South Park Stick Of Truth because it was released around the same time the PS4 & XB1 were released. Now with BC on XB1 I'm going to buy it. I'm a fan of the show so why not? If ROTTR doesn't sale good when it's finally released on PC & PS4 I would guess it's fanbase isn't what it once was. I still haven't seen any credible sales numbers for ROTTR so I will wait and see how bad it sold.
Some fans won't buy it, though, because of the way this whole thing has gone down.
That's a poor excuse, wah wah wah, it's not like they pissed in your cheerio's
doesn't make any sense. the people that won't buy it likely don't own an xbox 360 or xbox one or are just waiting for it to come to the pc or ps4. the only people who care about how this went down are ps4 owners that have to wait a year while telling everyone it's ok what sony is doing with street fighter and no mans sky along with dlc for games like destiny and call of duty. these same people are also likely hoping it doesn't sell well on the xbox platforms so they can say it was a poor business decision without even knowing what the actual details are.
I am a fan. A real fan. I have bought every Tomb Raider game ever, on PC, PS1, you name it. I played the reboot on the PS3 and bought it again when it was remastered for the new gen for the PS4. I was super excited a sequel was coming out and then after this announcement, a week or two later it turned into what rumours suggested was an exclusive for the Xbone but which ultimately turned out to be a timed exclusive. Of course PC and Playstation gamers like myself were pissed. This was a multiplatform title supported in the main by PC and Playstation gamers where the largest fanbase was. Yet SE could not care less about the goodwill to these fans and cashed in a cheque by lazy Microsoft which, rather than spending the money on creating a new IP, decided to just buy an existing one so that Phil Spencer could say that he had his own 'Uncharted'type of game for Xbone gamers. They are releasing ROTR a year later on the PS4 and expect us to feel grateful? No thanks. Most of us (at least all of my gamers friends, well over 112 of them) feel that if we can wait a year to play on the PS4, we can wait a little longer and get the game dirt cheap. It will be even better value then! If the suits at SE don't like it, they can blame their own greed for killing the franchise. Uncharted 4 will be out soon on the PS4 and there are so many games coming out next year like 'Horizon' and 'Wild', along with 'Doom', etc., etc., 'Rise of the Tomb Raider' will not be missed.
Blind loyalty to one system is the whole problem not the deal ms made with square. I'm not going to debate it any further either be a fan of games or be a fan of your console it matters not.
" Blind loyalty to one system is the whole problem " yeah, let's just buy a console just so we can play TR a year earlier. Be quiet. Sales are terrible and embarrassing on Xbox One. The console and this timed deal is just a big joke and a real pity. One of the biggest blunders of this generation so far.
The only way I'm gonna get this on the PS4 is if they lower the price to, say, 40 dollars with all the DLCs and whatnots included. And I'm not even getting it on day one at that. To put things into perspective: If you have been a PS gamer since the late 90s, would you rather play a 3rd party game than an exclusive? Cuz, who's to say The Last Guardian or Horizon: Zero Dawn isn't coming out around the same time as RotTTR does?
Who's to say those games you mentioned will actually be any good? They are not even out, nor any real gameplay shown. ROTTR has received very good reviews from critics and players alike. Why put yourself in a situation that you can only play those two games? All this crap about the sales of ROTTR,..NO ONE KNOWS the amount it has sold,..NOR WILL sell in the months Xbox AND PC have it as exclusive. Could it be another dev tasting the waters of the Microsoft eco system, to see how well it sells on xbox and PC? Lets see the final number sold AFTER the year exclusivity vs PS4 option,..after all 50% of you are getting it on PC, 20% are not buying it at 20% wont support a dev and pay the full full price,and 10% of you are deluded to think you will get it at 1080p 60fps the ultimate delux super duper all bells and whistles edition. Its a great Game. Are you a gamer who appreciates games? All this tosh about "business practices etc etc"..it happens in all aspects of life!
Who's to say they won't be? And for the record, my argument is not whether these exclusive games will be good or not. I've decided in myself that I'm getting these games no matter what. And if they're launching around the same time as RotTR, then my money's on those exclusives.
You make sense.
Poor Tomb Raider....lol. I love some of the stuff that gets peddled on N4G. Game is fantastic and wil have long legs much like Lara.
It's not really about the game being good or not. The game is fantastic I agree with you, but many are still mad about how the whole exclusivity deal went down. When people feel shunned they aren't exactly going to say nice things about the shunner. It is a shame because either is a very good game. Hopefully it will do well on xb for the now and hopefully people will pick it up on pc and ps4.
I do understand the feeling shunned arguement but at least they are getting the game. Are those same people raging over Street Fighter V? Exclusivity deals are part of the business now..its a fact, and both companies are actively engaging in the practice. I don't really have an issue with a timed exclusive deal to be honest. Everyone will get the game eventually but I do take issue with a permanent exclusivity deal like Street Fighter V where they are completely locking out an audience that actively played those games before. I am also confident Tomb Raider will have lots of success on PC and PS4. Its that good.
Anther click bait article its this same hypocrisy that ruins gaming, It is made to ignite the disgruntled fans who are stuck playing games they have no interest in playing. TombRaider is fantastic and I the consumer/gamer bought all the hot titles guess which game gets my attention the most yes TombRaider and not for the sake of this thread. To all those that keep saying that CD should have brought to all platforms dont hate on MS or Xbox for keeping this game/series alive. You guys acting bitter instead of embracing gaming all I see is horrible responses leading into the holidays. Enough already. Are you all going to act like this when Street Fighter comes out. Heck Xbox fan base will be well over 20 million do you think a company like Capcom should have ignored the Xbox fan base. If you think 20 million consumers should be ignored then you are wrong. As of right now TombRaider is on Xbox One and Xbox 360 for all gamers support now and in the future for all systems so we can get incredible experiences like this.
Actually I did not like the 'Street Fighter" exclusivity deal either and I am a die hard PS4 gamer. I would prefer that multiplatform ttiles that have always been enjoyed by both consoles remain available on both consoles. As gamers we should all reject such practices and I for one will happily not buy SFV in solidarity with Xboners.
More than likely they aren't. But a lot of people who are delighted with tr deal will complain about sf 5 deal and feel shunned too(I know they aren't exactly the same but you get what I mean), especially because 360 was the main machine for sf4 last gen. People are gonna trumpet deals when it suits them and complain when it doesn't. That's they way it goes unfortunately and sadly it's the games who get victimised. I agree, it should do well when it releases to everyone else. I've very much enjoyed it so far. Everyone should give it a go when able.
I bought Rise of The Tomb Raider and not Fallout 4. Not because I hate on Fallout 4 but for other reasons. I have too many games right now to finish. The games are Assassin't Creed: Syndicate, Cod: Black Ops 3, Metal Gear Solid: The Phantom Pain, Super Mario Maker, The Witcher 3, Uncharted: The Nathan Drake Collection. I'm maybe half way through The Witcher 3, haven't played the DLC either. Uncharted 4 not far off, Dark Souls 3 as well. Dying Light DLC thats probably pretty big. I am really liking Rise of The Tomb Raider. It is just like the last installment. If you play it everyday, you can 100% complete it within a couple weeks or probably sooner. Thats why I went ahead and purchased it now. I'm probably 18% complete with it at the moment, I'll have it finished soon. I'm finished with Uncharted 1 & 2, just need to go back and get all collectables on Among Thieves, then start Uncharted 3. I have to finish them before Uncharted 4 comes out though. I can deal with putting Cod down for a while along with Assassin's Creed:Syndicate as well, I really don't mind putting MGSV:PP down for a while either. That map is so bland, LOL. But I cannot for the life of me purchase Fallout 4 knowing I still have alot of The Witcher 3 to finish. I am interested in the game though. I just hope I can finish some other ones, then maybe...........Fallout 4 purchase. By then a nice price for the game and season pass should be out by then.
I have a huge backlog of games as well, and BC is only adding to the pile. I sometimes feel the industry needs a crash to correct itself, too much too fast can be a bad thing. I have way more things to do than game.
"The problem is, this is all too typical with games that just don’t have the attention of bigger names." Whoa there a second... Are you telling me that Tomb Raider (a franchise of near 20yrs) isn't a big name!!! & Square alongside MS didn't push the advertisment enoungh!!! /s What a joke of an article. Only part I can agree on is that maybe, just maybe, it shouldn't of been released slap bang in the middle of the xmas period with every other heavyweight at the same time. Poor business planning was to blame for the poor sales. Not the franchise title, but the company's who decided that it was great idea to release at the wrong time.
Well I think you answered yourself there. If it was still the big name it used to be, releasing it when it did wouldn't have been a big deal. Fact is the name isn't as big as it was. That's not to take away from how good of a game it is because it is very good.
TR will be just fine...In my opinion it's a great game and will have legs...Because in the end gamers want to play great games...My question is will it be full price when released for the PS4...And if it is...will PS owners be willing to pay...Or will they want to send a message and wait for the price to fall...
such a shame. I personally think its the best game I have played this year and I've played them all apart from bloodborne
This time exclusive deal was make with the intent of going against uncharted 4. Not knowing Naughty Dog would pull its release for later next year. It's Microsoft and Squaresoft embarrassing blunder.
You can only play it on one machine on the planet. What do you expect? Everyone has a PC...and a lot of people only have PS4's. Whatever money Square delt with Microsoft isn't worth it. A year from now who will even care?
2 machines, don't forget 360
Tomb raider is a great game. Whenever you PC and ps4 gamers get it buy without hesitation.
I skipped Fallout in favor of Tomb Raider. It's such a great game. I will pick up Fallout in a few months after the bugs are cleaned up. Learned that lesson a long time ago with Bethesda games.
"few will ever get to experience it" Not sure why the writer thinks that. it's coming out for the PC and PS4 next year, and probably at a slightly reduced rate or with DLC to make up for the delay.
I wasn't even thinking of fallout, but the article is right. I was thinking how the franchise will always be in the shadow of Uncharted now due to expectations and the fact Naughty Dog creates amazing adventure games.
You know what would have been genius timing? To release against Uncharted 4. That would have given Xbox a direct competition with Sony's flagship. Also it's against another exclusive not their own games like Halo and Fallout 4.
I believe that was the idea. The XBox division wanted to steal some of Uncharted's thunder and the PS4's momentum by publishing Tomb Raider at the same time. Uncharted got moved 4 months and Tomb Raider ended up fighting Call of Duty, Star Wars and Fallout 4. Lara is a survivor, but there are fights that you simply can't win.
The writing was on the wall the moment they signed the timed exclusivity deal with Microsoft, you make a deal with the devil and there's always consequences.