Ignore the bugs and concentrate on the fact that Fallout 4 features perhaps the best open world ever in a video game.
Perfect score means its perfect, if its has noticeable bugs, fps issues and other problems then its not perfect but close. Still Im looking forward to getting the game either next month or January.
If a game is not complete at launch, it does not deserve a perfect score. When are these reviewers going to punish these studio's (Especially Bethesda) for continually shipping unfinshed/buggy/broken games?
Totally agree with this. The reviews for this game have been totally unjustified and if it didn't have the Fallout name it wouldn't be getting the scores it did.
Huh? I'm 25 hours in and wouldn't call it unfinished or broken at all. Slightly buggy yes, but I have yet to encounter any serious problems... it's probably the best optimized Bethesda game of the last few years and I'm happy that they finally released a stable open world title. It's far from perfect but I wouldn't deduct many points for technical issues... the simplified character development & dialogue system however would make me give it a 9/10.
@nX I've had it crash about 4 times in the last two days, and it wasn't even when anything complicated was going on. It crashed once just because I tried to transfer a fusion core out of power armor. I also got permanently stuck in a building with no way out when I fell off a platform. Luckily I had a recent save. I've also died a couple of times for no apparent reason, just dropped dead. And why are there often things exploding in the water? There are no living creatures around yet the water churns and sometimes makes an exploding sound. They also haven't fixed their sound issues, you can often hear people on the other side of a concrete wall just because they are close. It seems it's purely based on proximity, ignoring all obstacles. And of course it's fallout so sometimes enemies go rocketing up into the sky or fall through the ground.
This is why we are not reviewers. Also; A 10/10 isn't the same as a 10.0 out of 10.0 or 100 out of 100 (like metacritic translate scores into). Further more; >>>Since there is so much game in Fallout 4, and since there aren't any bugs that have any detrimental effect on the gameplay<<< (atleast to my 50 hours of gameplay on PS4 and 10 hours of gameplay on Xbox One), Fallout 4 deserves the praise it is getting. And certainly doesn't deserve the amount of trolling and hate it's currently receiving. In my opinion, Fallout 4 is a 9.5 out of 10, and a 10/10 if Bethesda ever fixes the bugs and performance issues. Ps. To those referring to The Witcher 3 - "Come on?!".. F4 is a totally different game, with more system running, more taxing gamestyle, and not that much more bug-ridden at launch than The Witcher..
k2d, I hate to tell you this, but all those scores are the same. Even 5/5 is still 100%. The math is really simple, actually.
The Character build is not simple, it's more complex then Fallout 3 due to the hidden skills, which were total visibly i Fallout 3 and New vegas. you still have the whole skill system, you just cant see it.
10/10 shouldn't be labeled as perfect score. Nothing is perfect. A 10/10 means the game is a must own and well-made. No game is free of bugs and issues, and that shouldn't bother anyone as long as the frames don't drop to 0 or game crashes constantly
Even if thats the case, this game just isnt a 10/10.
@kale for you. Definatley a 10 for me
It's not quite a 10 but it's a solid 9 for me, people can hate on it all they want but it's one of my favorite games this year.
@kalebninja: Thats just, like, you're opinion man....
During ps2 Gen gamers were ok with fames getting 6.5 to 7 yet still enjoying Last Gen 7.5 became such a bad thing that anything under a 9 was not good. Publishers even put clauses in game development to make sure developers reach a certain number(fallout new Vegas developer didn't get their bonus because the game got overall 84 when the contract stated they needed 85) But than this thing happened where major AAA games needed 10 or they weren't good. Now most major AAA titles end up getting 10's. And no matter what a 10 means perfect, if a game isn't perfect don't give it a 10 simple as that Look at how many 10's we had in gaming just a decade ago and now look at the 10's in last 5 years Most huge AAA games do get close to perfect scores
Or what it meant to be a 10 changed from being perfect (virtually impossible but a bit easier and a simpler time for hardware/bugs) to being a must own with few flaws that are easily overlooked because of how good the whole is. It's a must play even for people who normally wouldn't etc.
No game is perfect, there is always room for improvement.
Idk, the game has a lot of bugs, is ugly and still has performance issues. Moreover, the story so far is meh and the game essentially lacks a narrative direction. On top of the fact the level and quest design comes down to go there and shoot through a wave of enemies.
I'm 30+ hours in an I haven't encountered many bugs yet. I also heavily disagree with it being ugly. I think the game looks fine. The graphics surely aren't bar setting but the game still looks good imo.
I agree, the game is fun (which is the most important thing) and the graphics aren't mindblowing but are good enough to immerse you into the world.
The environments look OK but the models look horrible (they always do in a Bethesda game) as does the ai and mob animations, also the combat is as bad as ever. At this point I think it's fair to say if Bethesda was a restaurant it would be a value for money all you can eat kind, you get your moneys worth but nothing truly outstanding. I'm not knocking it, it just explains it's popularity that's all.
"Ugly" you must be playing on a console then. Game runs great on most PC's and looks good. Story? who cares it's the exploring and side quests that make these games.
I agree, runs really well on my PC and looks good too :). All the exploring is what I love about Fallout!
Aside from the fact the consoles do run some of the core things like textures at ultra, I'm on my pc. I've blasted it to the highest possible settings and the textures still look crapping in too many places. The game has no narrative, the quests are really similar as well. There's no point to exploring if comes down to go here, shoot that and repeat.
I like the game. I've been playing it on PC ultra @ 99 fps (fps manually capped by me). But does it have awesome graphics... No.. Hell no. A pretty game it isn't. I'd hate to see what it looks like on consoles.
The game is really fun but far from perfect.
MGS V, The Witcher 3 and Bloodborne weren't perfect either. Complex games can't be perfect. Does that mean we should only give perfect scores to simple games? I think the review scores stand for the enjoyment the reviewer had playing the game not for the perfection of the game.
I respectfully disagree. Brilliant game - but there are some significant flaws.
I cant stop playing the game, but i still believe its not the 'perfect' game. I haven't finished the main story yet but so far would give it a 9.0
'Ignore the bugs' Exactly when did bugs and glitches in games become something that people should be "ok" with? I bought a tomato and only a certain section of the tomato is rotten, rest is consumable so im "ok" with it.
Well bugs and glitches have been part of gaming forever. In fact back in the Sega Genisis/SNES era they were considered kinda cool (at least by me and my friends :D). With that being said bugs and glitches that break the game obviously aren't acceptable but I can live with some minor bugs and glitches in a game as big as Fallout 4 (even though I hope they fix as many as possible of them).
** Exactly when did bugs and glitches in games become something that people should be "ok" with? ** Since Bethesda find it's way into the Gaming market.
If you've actually played fallout you'd realize this is one of bethesdas least buggy games. They could not patch it at all and my game would just be the same. After 30 hours I have run into zero glitches. Only slowdowns are when it's loading for a sec that right back to 30 fps. Play the game and than judge it
@DanteVFenris666 That's pretty sad that this is one of their least buggy games. The game is glitchy and experiences slowdown a ton. I haven't experienced a game crash yet but that's because I haven't played it for that long. But I have experienced lots of slowdown and glitches. I almost always get audio glitches or character animation dialogue problems everywhere I go. It's fun, but comon it's obvious this game was rushed out or just lazily done in some areas and it DOES have an impact on the experience. Bethesda has no excuses at this point.
About when development complexity skyrocketed. Being able to release a ps2/xbox/n64 era game with no bugs was much, MUCH easier than releasing something like TW3, Skyrim, F4 etc. It's almost not even comparable. How on earth do you find a bug that may only arise in a certain subset of choices but only if another choice was made 40 hours ago for example, compared to "oh you fell through this floor, also a trigger flag is missing here". As complexity increases the chance of error increases also, it's a fact in basically every aspect of life, it's no different here. Your tomato has maybe three tests "The tomato looks good, feels good, smells good" We're done here. Your game has thousands and thousands.
All complex games have bugs and glitches.Just watch a couple speedrun videos of any game you think is bug free. Fallout 4 is not perfect game, there is no such thing as a perfect video game! 10/10 review score does not mean the game is perfect never has and never will. Someone list a couple perfect games for me, because i have never played one before. What i don't understand is why people troll things they do not like as if they are getting payed for it.
A game (or anything else for that matter) being perfect is a matter of opinion, same as a review as well as the score at the bottom.
No I refuse to ignore the bugs, the game should be docked accordingly for having them. If we don't then it'll send the message to other developers to release more of their games broken at launch. If developers don't want to be criticized for having them, then they should fix them in Q&A before the final product is shipped. Plus it wouldn't be fair to give broken games a perfect score while quality games without bugs get a lower score.
Hahahahahahahaha Yes I give a game a perfect score but forget every bug in the game, that's like saying give the order 1886 a perfect score but forget how short and lack of gameplay within the game but because it looks amazing forget everything else. bugs and performance should all be involved when making a game score.
Interesting since Fallout 4 and The Order are GOTY to me. Both 9.5/10 .. Nearly masterpieces :3
Why it does not deserve a perfect score: -Story is uninteresting and rushed. You don't have time to feel attached to any characters, because the story is progressing so fast, especially in the beginning. -The HUD is bad and takes up to much space on screen. -The gunplay gets tedious, because in many quests you have to shoot your way out of 100000 raiders or gunners. Why not have fewer enemies with better AI instead? -Talking of AI, it is so easy to outsmart them, especially Deathclaws, Radscorpions and other, even on very hard difficulty. Raiders and Super Mutants are actually not as bad. -Companions are useless. If you try to sneak, they aggro the enemies. They will often block your way in small corridors. And sometimes they will even glitch out of the place you are in, leaving you alone. I see them as extra weight only, that can carry my junk. -I find the building part boring, and not fun. I would not have any problems if the building was optional. But many quests require building even main quests, it feels tacked on and forced. This is Fallout, not Sim City. -Unstable FPS on some areas even on GTX 980 and i7. While Witcher 3 runs smooth 60fps everywhere... which looks 1000x times better. Yeah, this game is more like 7.5/10 for me.
I agree with most of your points outside of the building settlements. I think that is a brilliant addition and i enjoy making all kinds of different looking settlements.
-1. Don't Rush the game it won't feel rushed. The companions have really deep and engaging stories. 30 hours and not even close to finishing the main story. - hud is pretty small? Witcher 3s took half your screen - Complaining that your smarter than the AI? Than what about every single game that's ai is no where close to a humans. Don't kid your self. Ai isn't even close to our level. -don't like building? What kind of complaint even is that? It's an extra feature. Those quests are optional. And there is like 1 which is a tutorial basically. - running on ps4 with no slowdowns
So...for the AI you're saying that humanoids are smarter than animals? What's the problem there? I personally enjoy the building, haven't done much of it but I don't have a lot of free time. You might not like it but a whoooole lot of people like minecraft (I'm not one of them) so the building aspect obviously has an appeal.
The thing I don't really like is for a role-playing game you don't get to really roleplay all that much. Most of the 'bad' choices are ignored and your character is destined down a specific path. Without any spoilers, it is unlike Fallout 3 in that your choices make no difference whatsoever in Fallout 4, which is kind of disappointing.
This click bait article shouldn't be here. It's got no content, just a paragraph about why we should read their review...
Bugthesda at it again. Decent title, ambitious scope, riddled with bugs (and not the ones of the nuclear variety). Use some of the millions you are bragging about on a bigger QA team.
Delete article please.
I have been enjoying Fallout 4 for the most part but it's open world doesnt feel nearly as big or alive as The Witcher 3's.
Enough with the Witcher 3 massaging already. Honestly, I found the game and its world quite bland. There's nothing more alive about it in any sense. Lots of ground to travel with nothing on it. The only positive I can actually give the game? Presentation. The inventory system was clunky. Character movement was clunky and controller input was seemingly delayed by enough milliseconds to annoy me. IMO, The Witcher 3 is just another (not so special) medieval RPG. Fallout's universe is so unique. The setting, the retro-futurism, the music. It's awesome.
At least I'm not the only one that thought Witcher 3 was just a below average game with pretty graphics. It had a nice story presentation but playing the actual game was just so godawful boring. I had more fun in the first couple hours of Fallout 4 than I did in the entirety of Witcher 3.
that's because Fallout 4's overall map size isn't close to Witcher 3's. Fallout 4 is Skyrim size. Witcher 3 is 3 times the size of skyrim.
Witcher 3 is something I'll wait for once it's $20 but Fallout 4 I went to a launch event for. First time I went to a launch in 5 years actually.
then you need to give me your money cause you obviously don't know how to spend it properly
Perfect? It makes no sense. It's inconsistent, dumbed down... Witcher 3 is not perfect. Phantom Pain is not perfect. Bloodborne on its own rules it's closer to what a perfect score should be... But Fallout 4? Oh man... It's a dumbed down world...
Fallout 4 is not perfect at all. Bugs , graphics and story is what brings it down. Yet it still is an awesome game.
The amount of stupid articles is too damn high. This idiot wants an average game to be perfect so badly.
Fallout 4 does deserve a perfect 10. How many games with issues, glitches, and mediocre story lines were rated perfect 10? Why do they deserve perfect 10s and Fallout 4 less?
Bugs Indicate Lack Of Perfection.
9.5/10 for me and definitely GOTY
I mean, can someone break down why Fallout 4 is better than Witcher 3? Im enjoying my time with Fallout, don't get me wrong. But IMO, Witcher 3 takes "open world" to a whole other level.
The Witcher 3 is my favorite game of all time. I put 136 hours into The Witcher and it was an emotional and amazing journey. I might put more hours into Fallout, and it is great, but the graphics and storytelling are nothing compared to The Witcher. However, the moddability of equipment and the game itself will help Fallout 4. It's nitpicking and these are my two favorite games of the year.
There is one thing above all that makes Fallout, and almost any other RPG, better than Witcher. In Fallout, I can be whoever I want to be, and play any way I want. This time I'm a badass guy that likes to shoot everything with laser rifles and go in guns blazing. Next playthrough I might be a stealthy ninja that uses melee weapons. After that maybe a girl that uses luck and persuasion more than her fighting skills. In Witcher, I'm Geralt. Period. No choices, no customization, no progression. And absolutely no reason to ever replay it because I'll still just be Geralt. I use a two handed sword and the same 5 spells after 150 hours that I started the game with. The combat had me bored to tears long before I was even a quarter of the way through the game. Nothing ever changes or improves or allows you to make any significant choice to change your character. You're ALWAYS going to be the same exact character. I'll likely play Fallout 4 for hundreds of hours using many different characters and when it's all said and done I still won't be as bored with it as I was after 30 hours of Witcher 3. That's why I think it's a better game.
"Next playthrough I might be a stealthy ninja that uses melee weapons." Yeah, good luck with that. Fallout 4 can only be beaten by shooting your way through. This is not Fallout 1 or 2 we are talking about, but Fallout 4 made by Bethesda. The game relies too much on gunplay. Keep telling yourself that in Fallout 4 you can be all this sort of things, when in reality you can only blast your way through. You can't sneak and you for sure can't talk your way through the game like you could in Fallout 1 and 2.
Maybe not through everything. Not saying I would NEVER use a gun. I played Fallout 3 with a sneaky melee focused character and got through it just fine. I don't need to play on the hardest difficulty to have fun either, so if I have to play on easy to make it work, then that's ok by me. :)
By that logic The Order 1886 also deserves a perfect score if you ingonre all that is wrong and focus on the pretty visuals. A game is not just made up by one thing but by many. Some lack gameplay, others have a weak story (if the game has one that is), some have technical issues, etc. See you can give a game a perfect score, and some outlets do that, if the things that are not perfect are still at least good, I'd be ok with that even though I generally don't think there is a "perfect" game when looking at it objectively. As already mentioned Fallout 4 has many technical issues that are significant and that has to be reflected in a review. Yes, it might not bother many players, but it needs to be addressed in a review and needs to show in the score. If the game is a 10/10 for you subjectively, fine, objectively there is always something that makes it not perfect.
Funny you bring up The Order because it's also GOTY contender next to Fallout 4, Life is Strange, Dying Light and Until Dawn.
No sane person would put The Order on any GOTY list. It was a decent game that I beat the weekend I bought it and that was that. Great graphics, but ok in everything else. It was a good disposable game that I don't regret playing, but in all honesty was like a 7/10 taking everything into consideration. GOTY: The Witcher 3 Fallout 4 Bloodborne Darkhorses: Life is Strange Until Dawn Splatoon
The game has borderline last gen graphics, long load times, average combat, and bugs galore. Despite all of this, it still deserves an 8.5 or a 9.
is 8.5 for me, the lag fest is a killjoy. When have 4 or more enemies you are fighting all of a sudden the frame rate drops significant;y and it's horrible cause it slows down the combat like in Fallout 3.
Fun factor is an 11/10. Graphics are a 6/10 (if that). Moddability is a 10/10. Open-world feel and experience is a 9/10. Gameplay is a 9/10. The games definitely has bugs and the graphics are really bad, but I am having SO MUCH FUN now, and after I put in 100 hours and get a bunch of mods, it will look gorgeous and be a polished gem...to play for a 100 more hours!