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Tokipost.com on Sony Trophies: How They Can Trump Gamerscore

By now most everyone is aware that the hit PS3 game Uncharted has recieved the trophy treatment adding over 40 trophies for collectors (It even came early!). Several upcoming games games have been confirmed to have trophies while a few old ones are also going to recieve patches to support the system as well. While Sony believes that "Gamer Level" in trophies is enough to sway the crowd, some believe the system needs something more to really give it that "umph" over Live's established and more wide spread gamerscore system. (Culture, PS3, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, Xbox 360)

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Silogon  +   2320d ago
The thing I noticed with Uncharted was, and I hope this doesn't carry over to new games that I haven't beat yet, the urge to not so much experience the game as I did the trophy. I ran through Uncharted in under 5 hours and got every trophy but 3 and then went back and got those within an hour on level 4.

Keep in mind I've been uncharted over 13 times now, but still... It seemed like I wanted to speed through and get the trophies and not really experience the game fully again. Great game, but the trophy support for it was lacking since I had already done everything it had asked multiple times over.

As for new games that support the feature I wish it wouldn't activate the trophies until after you've beat the game 1 time all the way through. That would be an incentive to play it again, if you ask me.

As for what we can get out of trophy support, well I'd love it if Sony was going to issue something in way of a reward for our troubles cause right now it really is just to collect them and the sad thing about it is... I might have more than the next guy cause I buy more games than the average guy and it's a bit unfair in that respect cause not everyone can buy/rent these games to obtain these trophies.

Just my two cents.
CViper  +   2320d ago
0 to contradiction in 36 words.
"The thing I noticed with Uncharted was, and I hope this doesn't carry over to new games that I haven't beat yet, the urge to not so much experience the game as I did the trophy."

Wouldn't it be theoretically impossible for that feeling to carry on in a game that you haven't beat yet? If you've beaten Uncharted 13 times already?

And your logic isn't a Sony specific issue. Its any game with achievements or trophies or medals. If you beat the game several times, how are you NOT going to know whats going to happen, where things will be etc?

I agree with you on 1 thing, you shouldn't gain access to trophies until you beat the game once, But i'd have to think most non "hardcore" gamers, which make up the minority of gamers, would more than likely ignore trophies/achievements and beat the game. Trophy/Achievement whores are always going to just blow through the game to make sure they have a higher score than their buddy.

So are you a trophy whore? Or someone that wants to enjoy a game for what it is?
The Wood  +   2320d ago
*too many words*
i agree with both of ya

hi clone morganhell (Below)... remember it starts off like fun and ends up like single white female
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DavidMacDougall  +   2320d ago
Yeah i would have never done "Uncharted" on crushing if there weren't trophies but it was fun after chapter 8 its was straight sailing
red_ring_of_death  +   2320d ago
yea right
MazzingerZ  +   2320d ago
Yeah, the attractive for me would be that they were really really secret...I never cared about achievements on the X360 in a way that I would interrupt playing just to go and collect some stuff to unlock a 10 points achievement...that for me is a turn off

What I liked was to play like nothing, never checked the achievements list, I just played as they didn't exist so it was really fun to hear that sound informing you about you just had unlocked an achievement...I accumulated 15,000 points so you can imagine how many games I played....some buddies bought Avatar, TMNT, etc just for the achievements, there's no way I would play those games not even if I got payed for that.

I see trophies in the same way, I don't care about them I just care about playing great games.
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proArchy  +   2320d ago
After beating Uncharted so many times without the intention of clearing all the medals, it was really fun to kinda meticulously blow through it with specific intent. I went for all trophies in one play through, but realized I would come up short one anyways because I had to go through again on crushing. Even still, after the 10 or so times I beat it before the Trophy patch, they managed to get me to drop Eden and Battlefield:BC to play through it 2 more times just for a couple trophies. I say that's pretty impressive. I applaud any developer that has decided to patch their game, and boo/hiss most that have declined. To ignore this new feature is to shun new or reignited interest in your product, and that( unless you have an inferior product) is never a good idea.
harv052  +   2320d ago
@ CViper

"I agree with you on 1 thing, you shouldn't gain access to trophies until you beat the game once, But I'd have to think most non "hardcore" gamers, which make up the minority of gamers...."

I will have to disagree 29.62 million times with you...number of Wii sales worldwide as of 30th of June...Most of them are NOT hardcore gamers. As for PS3 and Xbox360 players, nothing shows every single one of them is a hardcore gamer. Most likely half and half...

Also, one of the biggest PS3 game this year, Little Big Planet, is definitely aimed at the "Casual" crowd. So they're definitely not a minority, they just don't make themselves heard as much as "hardcore" gamers...
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Kleptic  +   2320d ago
I may go off the deep end with this...and this is more related to Uncharted (which seems to be the topic anyway) than trophies...but anyway...

this update created the first time since 2007 that I have even played Uncharted...I bought it when 'that store' broke the release date...and really enjoyed it...found the AI great...the graphics still unmatched in a lot of ways...and the presentation of the story still up there with the top 5 games of this gen so far...

but after beating it twice, that was kind of it...not through any fault of the game itself, it was just that I spent much more time playing CoD 4 and UT3 online from then on...

since the update I am about 2 hours in on it again on hard...and I think I like it more now than ever before...the trophy thing actually gave me a surprisingly addictive need to search the areas and find all the little treasures, of which I never cared at all about...and the skill trophies giving incentive to try all the expert awards is a lot of fun...

but aside from that...its the games pacing that I have found so relieving...I have around 100 hours into MGS4 and MGO and GTAIV...and while MGS4 is hardly similar to Uncharted...there was one thing that always drove me crazy about both...I can't stand how slow snake is to pop around a wall or from cover...and the exact same problem exists with combat in GTAIV (to an even more annoying degree, let alone the ridiculously stupid lock on function)...Uncharted seems to have some how perfected that...the speed with which drake runs is perfect and balanced...the intensity is crazy...and the blind fire/pop out mechanic is nearly flawless...I know some will say 'well gears already did that'...not imo...Gears is a tps, yes...but but doesn't have a free floating camera...Gears plays much more like a slow paced fps in the sense of aiming and camera control...the cover mechanic also works well...but it never feels like a true third person action game...that is not a dig at Gears...i am just saying the two games play very very differently...MGS4 and GTAIV both play much like Uncharted in the mechanics...but Uncharted trumps both without question in terms of combat...

Uncharted is a truely great action game that, because of its near flawless cover system and insane enemy AI, can be completely different each time you play it...I am having every bit as much fun playing through it again as I did playing through MGS4 multiple times...I wouldn't say its an equal game to MGS4, because on the visual and presentation side, MGS4 most likely won't be matched for a long time (although the water is still better in Uncharted)...

if Uncharted 2 has an online multiplayer that is paced like the single player game...and that MGO has shown that a free camera TPS more than works in the online sense with the PS3...it could turn out to be one of the best games of this generation, fitting nicely along side the other huge successes...
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morganhell  +   2320d ago
Achievements FTW!!!!
Eiffel  +   2320d ago
Just like Sony they Copy.
Bangadoshish  +   2320d ago
Just like Microsoft they're now playing catch up ;)
Surfman  +   2320d ago
its not copy, fans wanted them.
ShinMaster  +   2320d ago
Dude, no
Achievements are only numbers added to your "score".

Trophies are about different ranking goals, Bronze, Silver, Gold, and the PS3 exclusive "Platinum".

Your gamer-level increases faster as you obtain more trophies of higher ranking as they are of higher difficulty.

Trophies have an RPG-like system.

While Achievements use the most basic of number scoring systems.
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dazzalfc  +   2320d ago
Both are good
Both sets are good, as they help give a game an extra few hours, and anything to increase the amount of time you play a good game is always worth it.

I prefer the trophy structure, but in truth they arent much more than a virtual penis, when it comes down to it. Great at extending the life of a game, yes, but thats about it really.

What they should do with trophies, and achievements, is allow you to unlock hidden stuff in other games, or in the PS3's case, Playstation Home. I believe this feature does exist in a few games on the market, but it would be nice if more developers started doing this too.
dazzalfc  +   2320d ago
hmmm
If your gonna disagree, at least be a man and explain why. I can see why this site gets frustrating for alot of people
MazzingerZ  +   2320d ago
Yeah, true. what I liked of games like LIAR, HeavenlySword, Uncharted, etc is that you unlocked "make of" videos, manga chapters, art galleries, etc, etc...stuff that usually you only get in an collector's edition was there included in these games (BR magic) so I found more value in that than in any achievements/trophies out there

Actually the ONLY game that has implemented "achievements" in a interesting way is not on the X360 nor on the PS3 but on the Wii

Metroid 3's achievements allowed you to "buy" stuff in the game so you chose what to unlock, MP3 tracks, galleries, etc...you could even send a VOUCHER to your friends if you unlocked certain "achievements" called Friend points....with that voucher(points) your friend could unlock stuff even before beating the game

Nintendo got it right!
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InMyOpinion  +   2320d ago
They need to actually get them into the games before they start comparing to achievements.
CViper  +   2320d ago
They have already added them to games.
And its up to developers to add them to their old games. Did you not notice that Uncharted has trophies? So now the comparisson can be made between what both achievements and trophies offer?
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InMyOpinion  +   2320d ago
Uncharted and SSHD. That's only two titles. The trophy update was released some time ago and by now they should have had support for more games. As it looks right now I don't think many developers will bother with trophy support.

Sony tried to copy Microsoft but couldn't implement the feature as well.

Achievements are a universal feature in games, trophies aren't. You could easily collect all trophies in a days work if you'd want to. IMO they are not comparable.
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VampHuntD  +   2320d ago
You missed
PJ Eden, Monsters is confirmed to have them soon as is Warhawk, Not to mention upcoming PS3 games such as Bioshock also have them coming. Your point is true, gamerscore and achievements are more wide spread, but they still mean nothing. Trophies could change that, but the question is will they?
InMyOpinion  +   2320d ago
I think most of us expected them to be supported in the majority of the PS3 games library when they were announced, not a few selected titles.

I don't go by what's been confirmed, I go by what's actually there.

If they keep adding them at this pace nothing will change and they will ultimately become a failure. When 80% of the PS3 titles support trophies we can start comparing.
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CViper  +   2320d ago
The only aspect thats not comparable, is the amount of games that support trophies.

If you read the article, which it doesn't even seem that you did... Its about the differences between the two, not the # of games that support either. To which the game system that was out with a full year head start, would have more of. Isn't that obvious? What you can readily compare now, since there are games that support them, which I doubt you even knew about since you only named the ones discussed on n4g... Is the leveling vs the a general score.

Heres a better question. How can you NOT compare trophies and achievements as far as the way they are setup right now? By simply trying to squirm out of your nonsense by saying "Buh buh there should be more games out with it now." Is utter BS. They have been out for maybe a month, Your first comment suggested there are no games with trophies to even compare in the first place. There are, and since they are here all at once instead of spread out over a wide amount of time. People are actively going out and getting them right now with all of the games you and others have mentioned.

You make a stupid comment about there being no trophies, then after you get confronted on that.. you change it to "Well.. there should be MORE!" and that has absolutely nothing to do with the article. Since its making the comparison, which everyone else seems to be able to do except you. How you cant see the basic features of GS vs Trophies being comparable is beyond me. Because you literally just have 2 lists of features. Its quite easy to compare the two.

Your logic about catching up to XBL is flawed as well. I guess there has never been a time in gaming history to where a more recently released console has ever out grown a console with a timeline edge? lol. I'm convinced you do believe that. You are probably part of the same camp that keeps reducing their formula for the ps3 to catch up to the 360. Remember when it was 10 million? lol. "At this exact rate..." yeah. Unfortunately its not at an exact rate, its at an accelerating rate.

I think your contributions would make more sense if you didn't try to sound like you aren't a troll all the time, and just come out and say what you meant to say, and what you said in your second response. Just say the typical, Sony sucks, they failed, they copy microsoft etc. You can't pull it off the other way, when you cant even put a decent response together. Then we could just openly ignore you, and tell you to take it to the fanboy section over that-a-way. ===>
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SlyGuy  +   2320d ago
Yes and they also...
need to FIX the trophy system to work properly.

It is a bit buggy in Uncharted for very few people (my unfortunate self included).

For some reason I did not get my trophy (but got the medals) for my 40th treasure and 60th treasure. I had to load an older save file and do it over. This also happened when I beat the game the 1st time.

Maybe they will patch it soon (I hope).
Kleptic  +   2320d ago
Viper good post...

there is no arguing that the trophy system seems a lot more robust in what exactly it offers, if this home stuff ends up being true...and also seems to be far more logical (you level up...rather than getting some arbitrary number that is absolutely meaningless at a glance 1000 points per game?...whatever)...

but because its a brand new service and isn't in every game yet...its not worth discussing?...I don't understand this place sometimes...

also...yeah...I have seen some of the bugs with it too I think...for some reason your score card or whatever will not update until you physically go into your trophy collection and click on them (look at them or whatever you want to call it)...they then seem to go to your score card, even though they were already unlocked...SSHD didn't seem to do this, but I definitely have that problem with Uncharted now...after you look at them, it seems to stay updated...but you have to do that each time something is unlocked in order for others to see them on your card I think...

thats a minor problem though...the 2.42 update made the service much faster, which was easily my biggest problem at first...I wasn't going to sit there for 30 seconds to see others scores very often...
SlyGuy  +   2320d ago
@ Kleptic
I understand that some people THINK it is not working properly until they synchronize with their profile.

However the problem I am referring to is a bit different and is in fact a bug. I have read about some other people experiencing the same, but very few.

Anyways, I know that these things will be ironed out and soon the trophy system will be excellent.
Omegasyde  +   2320d ago
I got a gamer level of 10
At 11 I unlock Duke Nukem Forever Beta with MC Hammer Ps3 Theme.

Accomplishments/trophies don't mean jack, Microsoft/Sony needs to reward players for trophies/achievements i.e. clothing for avatars/ furniture or hell get a gamer level of 25 or 1 billion achievement points and you get a free XBL/PSN game.

I know I didn't make up the idea, but damn Software would swing away to Sony/ Microsoft whomever gets the idea first.
zo6_lover27  +   2320d ago
Thats what sony plans to do with Trophies, you can use them to buy stuff in HOME as well as the PS store.
VampHuntD  +   2320d ago
This is what the article says
That's exactly the point, right now it means nothing, but if Sony is wise they can implement a rewadr for getting a higher level.
Kleptic  +   2320d ago
I find it humerous how many people make it blatantly obvious that they never read the article in which they feel the need to post in...
Cajun Chicken  +   2320d ago
In my opinion the idea of Achievements and Trophies are sort of underused...
My logic being I don't really like Achievements or trophies for 'completing sections of a game' or 'learned something' the best use of achievements or trophies so far has to be Dead Rising where an achievement is something worth pointing out, such as photographs, combos etc.
Achievement and Trophies should be like Ratchet and Clanks Skill Points scheme. In my opinion, it you don't deserve a medal if you just completed a game, it should be more about insane things to do, things to find, a bit like the Wheres Wally checklist at the back. There's just FAR too many points/trophies just for completing a section/level/chapter of a game or defeating a boss...Things like that are pretty much killing the way both these 'scores' work.
Kleptic  +   2320d ago
I kind of disagree...while I think it would be dumb to only have trophies for completing games...I do think there should be some awarded for exactly that...

that is what I like about how the 2 games awards are layed out so far...you get a trophy for simply completing a planet in SSHD, but you don't get all the trophies for that game by doing it...same for Uncharted...

but there will be people that simply beat a game and thats it...they should get at least a couple trophies for that...you can then sync your stats and see what games they have beaten and stuff...which imo is the only reason I find any of this stuff mildly fun...its just a little extra information you get from the people on your list that you will never meet...
Viktor E  +   2320d ago
The Playstation 3 Trophy System has successfully terminated the messy and lackluster Achievement system
I will have to congratulate Sir Kaz Hirai when I next see him,he successfully terminated a 2 year old Online System with a single Firmware Update in a single Day
Eiffel  +   2320d ago
Take that sony C0ck out of your mouth before you speak.
Bangadoshish  +   2320d ago
When I heard the Firmware was out
I remember thinking to myself "And there goes Xbox Live".

Now Microsoft can only boast about how many times a demo was downloaded :'(
DavidMacDougall  +   2320d ago
Bubbles for Viktor E very nicely put
InMyOpinion  +   2320d ago
Yeah trophies rock! All 2 games that incorporate them...

Hours of fun to be had, not days or weeks.
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RawPowah  +   2320d ago
"How long does it take to catch them all? 2-3 hours?"
This isn't Pokemon ya trolling bastard : )

Edit:LOL you think you can stealth Edit your trolling XD

http://img378.imageshack.us...
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InMyOpinion  +   2320d ago
I remember when you Sony fanboys went "Who needs achievements anyways? I play games because of the story not to collect silly points" etc. Now you are all praising trophies even though it's a gimped copy of achievements and it's only supported in 2 titles.

Talk about being a f#cking wh0re...
RawPowah  +   2320d ago
"Talk about being a f#cking wh0re..."
Who's the whore in here:The people praising Sony for getting their Reward system right,or the person who's trying to grab every ones attention by spitting cum out of his mouth?
Bangadoshish  +   2320d ago
The person spitting cum out of his mouth LMAO XD
chrisnick  +   2320d ago
omg......omg....rofflmfao
umm........jenzo......one thing to say about what Raw just said...........OWNED.
InMyOpinion  +   2320d ago
If you call responding to my comment with nothing but childish remarks 'owning' I guess you are right. The truth hurts sometimes. Nobody likes to be gimped.

Trophy support in 2 titles + 'getting their Reward system right' = blinded by Sony cum.

You guys are practically bathing in jizz by now.
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InMyOpinion  +   2320d ago
@RawPowah
Yeah trophies rock! How long does it take to get all of them? 2-3 hours?

How long does it take? 5?
Bangadoshish  +   2320d ago
Dude,you should just shut up right now
I'm a Ps3 fanboy but damn,you're trying so hard to be 'the enemy' that you're just looking pathetic at this point
InMyOpinion  +   2320d ago
I'm just having a bit of fun. I usually don't hang out in the mental ward of N4G like you guys.

It's funny that you see me as 'the enemy'. Just goes to show what a demented freak you are =)
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Bangadoshish  +   2320d ago
yeah uhh
No.
Eiffel  +   2320d ago
I love the fact Jenzo was able to stick it to you Sony Fanboys and you can't reply in a well or even decent manner, And you deny claims by going on a in a bit of a mental break down CAP's included. Face it you got pwned.
AllroundGamer  +   2320d ago
RawPowah
thx for the proof, i always knew there is something wrong with Jenzo, RawPowah bubble+ ; Jenzo bubble- .
Sir_Ken_Kutaragi  +   2320d ago
@Viktor E ;)
And soon we will be saying...the PS3 has successfully terminated the xBox 360!!! ;-D
A few more updates and it will be Perfect;) i.e even better than
'xBox-You got to PAY to stay a-LIVE'!!! ;-D

Saying that i find PS3 perfect now anyway for me!;)
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ThatCanadianGuy  +   2320d ago
Well jenzo.I dont care for achivements,at all.
Woooo! i have 100,000 gamer points!! im the best no?
I'd rather just say im level 10.You know..that addictive RPG levling system that all gamers love?

2 games that have it? No,there's Uncharted,PixelJunkEden,SSHD and buzzquiz t.v in Europure.But you know that? i love the fact there's only a few games that support it.Makes trophies all that much more rare and hard to get,whereas you can play any game and get them.
doesnt that take the "YES i got it" feeling out of it when millions of other people already have it?

Im the one of the few on my list who has trophies! others dont know where to get it,it's a huge advatage to me.Besides..95% of all games coming out in the next few months and afterward will have them.

Not just "points" but four different trophies.And soon in 3D in HOME
PoSTedUP  +   2320d ago
@ canadian
i agree yo. but check this.... ur right that it makes it more fun cause they are rare and w/e but wait till home comes out cause that is the root of the PSN and that will bring everything together, and get this.... from what i understand trophies will be worth something! you will be able to trade them in or w/e for content and that right there is better than a gamer score that means nothing, if sony can do it better then count me in!
InMyOpinion  +   2320d ago
And if you don't own one of those two titles you can't enjoy trophies. A shame really. Achievements are for everyone.

What trophy level can you reach right now? Level 2.5?

Sony messed up and it will be evident when major developers opt to not add trophies. I heard rumors Fallout 3 won't have any. Hell, MGS 4 doesn't have any yet and that's the biggest title of the PS3. Goes to show the failure of it.

Sony is having a bukkake party and you are all invited to sit in the middle with your mouths wide open.
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PoSTedUP  +   2320d ago
iight but trophys and achievements arent gunna sell systems are they.

trophys just came out so their arent gunna be that many and future games will gave them. so are you disappointed with achievements??? why dont you go rack up some gamer points so you can cash them in for nothing!!! (maybe a T-shirt that says MicroSoft on it) ; )
BigKev45  +   2320d ago
How They Can Trump Gamerscore?
Well, at first they would need incorporate the trophies into their games. Now, that would be a good start, Sony.
TheColbertinator  +   2320d ago
You guys are sick.Get help
lagunatom  +   2320d ago
Can't we all just get along?
JEDI WOLVERINE  +   2320d ago
Quoted from article.......
" That would encourage me to play a few more trophy games (even if they suck) to gain some freebies."

This is where the whole article falls down.

You play games for the fun and if you unlock something then cool, its a bonus.

Playing a game that 'sucks' just for achievement/trophy bonuses will be a chore and thats not what gaming is all about surely.........
VampHuntD  +   2320d ago
Agreed
I think it would be better stated as it would encourage some people to play more games in order to earn rewards rather than what people do now which is play them for gamerscore (which has no purpose).
devilhunterx  +   2320d ago
tell that to the achievement wh0res
pp  +   2320d ago
c*ck chewing ass h*le sony droids
boodybandit  +   2320d ago
Why does it have to trump anything?
Just another fanboy flamebait titled article (IMHO).
Why can't it simply be a nice added perk to a console you already enjoy? Why does it always have to be about out doing the competition with these gaming sites?

I like trophies. It is nice incentive to visit older titles. I am not much of an achievement or trophy hunter but I usually check out my achievements when I unlock them during 360 title and since it's newer to the PS3 it has my interest peaked when older titles get patched with them.

I only played through Uncharted once and I just started a second run through to see what some of the trophies are about. I am really looking forward to Warhawk (one of my favorite online games this generation) getting the trophy update.
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VampHuntD  +   2320d ago
They will be compared
Whether you or I or anyone else likes it or not. It's not about beating the other guy, but it is about making it worth it. It is a nice perk but much like gamerscore is worthless (I happen to enjoy it although I'm not a trophy whore myself, it's cool when you get one if it was purposeful like completing some hard objective, not you finished the level! type).

It's the same with gamerscore. I like getting the achievments and it does give some replay, but I'm not going to play a game I hate just to get a bigger score. Trophies could in essence "up the ante" by giving you something for your gamer talents. Wouldn't that make you want to play more? It would work for me to a point. Again, I'm not playing crap just for trophies, but some people will.
enjoi187  +   2320d ago
last time i check i didn't give a **** about my achievement points or trophies....there are just there...and I am not going to replay the ps3 games i already played and sold for some imaginative item.

do they give me money - no
am i cool for more points/trophies - no
do i notice them - no
are they just there - yes
Do i care - no

does it really matter LOL - NO

no one is going to buy a system based or achievements or trophies. LOL
LevDog  +   2320d ago
I Personally think trophys/level are useless, I mean it looks cool.. but this would be awesome if I could use level points to "buy" PSN games etc.. Then it would give me more reason to up my level and unlock trophys
ElementX  +   2320d ago
I think now that the world has seen the MS achievements and it's also seen Sony trump them, maybe now MS can improve on the Sony system and make THAT better somehow. It's just a matter of time. I'm not saying either one of the systems is bad, but there is always room for improvement.
RAM MAGNUMS  +   2320d ago
you guys must of forgot?!?
trohpies aren't points! It a higher level.

Droids know how much better that is. You musnt forget this is phase 1 of trophies!
Home Is Coming! Take a look in my homespace later & I'll show you why trophies
are better in my hall of fame.
I'll send you xbots a invite. Ha ha ha ha ha ha hah!
Skadoosh  +   2320d ago
Trophies is just to late. Achievements were their day 1 and has every achievement from every game I played. I'm not going to go back and play all my ps3 games. Trophies is a good idea, but just to late.
SlyGuy  +   2320d ago
better late
than never
Zerodin  +   2320d ago
LOL
Droids are a sad breed, indeed!
pwnsause  +   2320d ago
they already trumped achievements. The Trophy system is tiered depending on what type of trophies you have. Problem is that there are not many games out there that support it, not to mention Sony hasnt made it a priority (although they probably are) to integrate the trophies into their "bootleg" gamercard system(bootleg because they are not like the Xbox 360 gamercard system where microsoft uses api tools to program and take info out of your acheivements and account name, and last games you played, all into your gamercard). But these things are going to get rectified.
Time_Is_On_My_Side  +   2320d ago
One problem with the idea...
Gamer Scores / Trophy Levelling isn't money so Sony nor Microsoft will allow this. The PlayStation Home might have something but nothing that would cost anything.

Think of it this way how would Microsoft / Sony gain money if you were using your Gamer Score/Trophy Levelling to buy iteams? Like for example having enough Gamer Score to pay for XBOX Live would be a big lose for Microsoft right there.
rockleex  +   2320d ago
Well...
If we were playing a game with in-game realtime updated advertisements, then Sony/Microsoft wouldn't lose money on giving away rewards for that particular title.
supremacy  +   2320d ago
hmmm
well my friend, you are right but i also think you are some what wrong.
the only reason why these systems are even good to these companies is because they help generate attach rates in terms of sales of games and systems that is.

now with that said, sony nor MS would be losing much if they some day choose to add a rewards system to their current score systems.

why? well because it well help move software sales to new heights i mean just think about that for a sec.

before trophies were even introduced, people were just buying most of their 3rd party games on the 360 due to achievements alone.

heck i even know some people that bought super start dust hd for trophies alone, now that right there says alot.

now say that by the time, the next call of duty game comes out home is out and sony than introduces a reward system. that is made specifically for trophy hunters out there.

just think of the impact something like this will have, and if 3rd notices sales of 1st party games going through the roof because of this, than what do you think will happen?

simple more and more 3rd party studios will start prioritizing their projects with the ps3 1st and than everything else 2nd.

not only would this help 3rd party studios make more money on ps3 sales, but also help sony afford the luxury of a price cut as well.

heck who knows maybe sony would even get more 3rd party exclusives as a result as well.

in theory sony would gain more than they would lose my friend. but again those are just my analysis on this matter of course.
VampHuntD  +   2320d ago
Microsoft Already did it once
There was an old spice challenge and people got plenty of freebies on XBLA. It was a big hit and made people buy/rent mroe games to quickly increase their scores to earn the rewards (which were bigger than just XBLA).

As far as costing them money, the development part costs money. It hardly costs anything to maintain it on the server. And many people would buy it outright as well so I don't think it's going to be effected all that much. The change will come when people that weren't going to buy it, use free points earned by buying games (money in their pockets again) to buy the game.
Time_Is_On_My_Side  +   2319d ago
supremacy, VampHuntD
I understand your reasoning but at the same time the company will lose a lot of money. Just look at it this way, let’s say Insomniac Games made a downloadable game called " Ratchet & Clank Future: Quest for Booty." If everyone paid for that Insomniac Games’ download through a reward system in video games Insomniac Games/Sony will be losing money. Downloadable content developers/Sony will be losing money because no one is actually buying the content.

With the achievements swaying gamers it's because achievements give people bragging rights for their games. Let’s say you told people, “I beat Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots on Big Boss Mode” how would you prove that over the internet? This is what drives achievements because it gives you a video game history in a brief overview. This gives people incentive to complete the game fully instead of just going through the campaign. In other words you’re being recorded what you so people generally have more motive to do better.

Yes Sony/Microsoft will sell more consoles but in the longevity of the console’s life they’ll be losing money faster than you can say, “video game crash.” When people buy used video games it doesn’t go to developers it goes to the stores that are selling them. Like for example, I’m selling my car because I bought a new one so my decision is to sell the old one from my house. When I finally sell the car so I can put that towards the new car, I’m not going to give Mistubishi a cut when it was already sold to me. In other words Mistubishi already got their cut from when I bought the car from the Mistubishi dealer ship. Is another way how gaming companies will lose money.

VampHuntD (Author) whole idea in the article will fail this would only work with privileges like I have more access to different areas in PlayStation Home. Let’s say that a certain Home areas in under construction maybe you can go to it anyways or have early access to the content before others. If they do give away free things it will be very limited or tied to the games you play.
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EnglishPatriot  +   2320d ago
Cant wait to get my hands on some Warhawk trophies :)

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