Forget cross game chat, Halo 3 and unreliable hardware, the Xbox 360's real legacy will be achievement points.
home (ps3) trophies in 3d are the future Mgo reward system are the future x boxs future is the dream cast
don't Platinum Trophies work better than just getting more achievement points? i mean, this way we can tell the talented gamers from the guy who rents games just for the achievement points. right? agree/disagree? (explain)
well trophies work better because they follow a RPG/tiering system. you rack up XP to level up based on what trophies you have accumulated. plus they are flashier
trophies do work better but they are only available in a few games so far. They should have been compulsory from the start so when sony intro'd them all games could have them instantly. This is why acheivements are still better, but trophies will eventually be better.
@smokinmonkey.. i can agree, on paper the platnuim trophy's should show the better players, but the same thing will happen as with achievements, movie-based games/childish games will have easy to get trophies so it will eventually turn out the same
didnt the exec for the playstation comment on how they dont copy anything from anyone. they what do they go and do hey they copy microsoft and give them acheivements in the form of trophies thats like stealing someones work and changing 3 words to make it your own
Achievements are not a new concept. Insomniac games (that would be a Sony developer) has been putting an achievement system in their games for years.
i borrowed my friends 360 for a month and i didnt give a rats ass about achievements. i mean gamerscore? and how easy the achievements are to get like in cod4, beat the campaign and you have almost all the achievements. sony's trophies copy and improve upon the achievements. no body can deny that sony copied it but at least they made them better or else everybody would definitely be laughing at them right now. i know what you mean when you say achievements are easy. now got to us.playstation.com go to the blog and look at the "somewhat official trophy list" for PAIN. any hardcore gamer can tell you that PAIN is one of those casual games that you were talking about and ill tell you after playing pain and looking at what the trophies are it is going to be hella hard. 1 billion total points? will take time since i cant get even 1 million points every round. but all d!ck's balls in the dumpster in one shot? thats gonna be insane. nuff said
MGO reward system offers a lot more with access to dlc what is pretty cool i hope to see more games like that soon And people who diss log in into games MGO offers something that frees space on downloads to hard drive what is very cool u saves u space on maps and contents only down side is if u was playing lan games of split screen..
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are you drunk?
well its 6am EST, he probably is.
Are you stereo-typing people of Irish descent?
I think he is stereotyping people who just don't make any sense. Drunk people rarely make sense so I totally see his point.
why would i stereotype, heck i get drunk overnight, and keep drinking at 6am lol
This is a prime example of how competition actually improves the quality of the industry and gaming in general. IMO, in the day and age of multiplayer, achievements may have saved the single player genre altogether. Not only that, I firmly believe it helps increase revenue for developers and publishers (look at SSDHD as proof). Obviously Sony thought enough of them to implement their own concept of achievements. I am grateful for trophies and hopefully Sony's business model of a free PSN will eventually cause MS to make XBLive a free service for the 720. I know I'll get slammed for this. Oh well. I've been a multi-owning console gamer since the days of Atari/Intellivision so I'm not above complementing the competition.
Making sense on N4G...for shame! Have a bubble
@CBaoth In this site where 95% of the people are fanboys (whining and crying), once in a wile, appears someone that makes a good remark. Bubble for you.
"in the day and age of multiplayer, achievements may have saved the single player genre altogether". On this bright day, a stranger enters the premises. He looks around and sees chaos abound. Thinking that there is no hope, and with a twinkle in his eye, he chooses his words wisely and spits out a statement so genious, that it shook the earth beneath his feet. After the dust settles, and the chaos stifles, a lonely soul looks up at this stranger and spouts the unthinkable--"you achievement whore". It is then, and only then, that this stranger is left but with one more final act.......'facepalm'
Now if only MS or Sony would really take achievements/trophies to the next level and include real rewards (not just scores/levels) in the achievement systems. I'm talking about in-game costumes and weapons, out of game mini-games, or a small amount of credit in Live or PSN.
Home will have something similar to what you just said.
Valve, Blizzard & Sony have all got their 'achievements' 'tis indeed the case.
Yeah achievements is a fantastic idea. Never cared about it before and now I'm totally hooked. It's the main reason why I buy multiplatform games on my 360 instead of my ps3. Trophies is a great idea also but unfortunately it just came to late for me to take it seriously over achievements.
They came 'too late' ? So what ? They're still much better with a level ranking and future 3D trophies. Did you keep your NES console because the 360 was coming 'too late' ? No ? Well, that's the same thing. Play beyond.
What? That made no sense kid.
For some unexplainable reason, achievement points never really caught my imagination, and though I must have a ton of 'em (I've played a LOT of 360 games) I couldn't even begin to tell you what my score is. So its a huge suprise to me that I care about PSN trophies and have started playing Uncharted again simply becuase it now has trophy support. Go figure?? One thing is for sure, the whole concept of achievements was an extremely good one and Microsoft deserve every credit for coming up with this important idea and having implimented it from the start. They may be late to the party, but at least trophies are here now for PS owners, and they owe a debt of gratitude to MS for the concept.. now, back to my trophy hunting...
I agree with you that Microsoft deserves all the praise for bringing this piece of material that ups the replay value of any game by a lot. But I just wanted to point out how big a genius is in Insomniac as they implemented this way before, just not on the commercial level of Microsoft, so again not taking anything away from Microsoft I think the skill points started with the first Ratchet game or the second Edit: Skill points unlocked certain things like costumes and such
Yeah what an original idea achievement points are. Not. I played the original spyro the dragon how many years before the 360 was released? There may well have been achievements/skill points in games before then, but all insomniac games since then have all had skill points for doing things just like achievement points. I know it adds them up over different games, but it's not a huge leap. If we criticise sony for copying achievments and tacking on a leveling up system, I would criticise MS for copying skill points and simply giving them a number that you can add up. At least you got an extra life for getting a skill point in spyro the dragon!
I would say give BUNGIE the credit for the whole X360 Dashboard including achievements. X360 Achievements = Halo 2 Medals X360 Avatar = Halo 2 Emblem X360 Gamercard Quote = Halo 2 clan name X360 Voice message = Halo 2 introduce it X360 Detailed online status = Halo 2's Elapsed time and score, game type, etc X360 FL = Halo 2's Clan (100 friends cap) etc, etc Certainly Bungie was owned by Microsoft but no doubt that all those concepts were taken from Halo 2 as those features put it apart from any other MP game...even today. I think the legacy of the X360 is XBL in general, an integrated and standarized service, now the next step is to get game lobbies to also be standard and look the same regardless of the game...which is the way HOME (gaming rooms) and the "new" XBL experience (8players XBLparty) will work I think.
This kind of things existed 10 years before Halo 2 on Dreamcast and PS one, you're probably very young to say that...
Achievements are the worst thing to happen to gaming. Ever.
Think of how many new gamers will begin to replay old games that they usually would have never touched before. Other then arrogant people bragging about their score, achievements will help the replay ability of games and the cunsomer can feel that they are getting the full value of the $60. Not to mention what Sony and Microsoft will do once their avatars get opened up to the public. I personally can't wait to see what achievements will become once home launches.
Your comment would make sense if it were opposite day. Achievements/Trophies/Medals and the like give gamers new ways of playing. They promote healthy competition, they add replay value, and like it or not it is a truth of the human condition that we like getting rewards for our efforts. Why do you think gamers play games in the first place? It is because playing games gives us a sense of accomplishment that is harder to come by in the real world.
correction: Achievements are the future of xbox 360 gaming. Home is the future of gaming.
What happened to just playing games for fun? Achievements/trophies? That's just work. I really don't see the allure of it. You look at your card then compare with a friend, then you go "ah cool" and move on. And how long did you spend trying to get to that point? That's just me anyway, I really don't see the value in it. I must be getting old or something lol
that's the beauty of it. if i liked a game, i will replay it regardless. but achievements add something extra to it. let's say you LOVE to play tic-tac-toe. you're going to go through all possible winning combinations as you play and enjoy it. but it's still monotomous since you are basically doing the same thing over and over. achievements add variety to the gameplay. play a certain style. try something you never tried before, or would have w/o achievements. an example would be an rpg. you could absolutely love playing as a warrior, and spend hundreds of hours as that class, beat the game, and never try anything else even if you loved the game. you could stop there and that would be fine since you enjoyed the game. but what if there was an achievement/trophy to play as a summoner class, which gave you the incentive to try the class you wouldn't have triedin the first place, and find out you absolutely fell in love with it? you didn't lose anything by trying it out, but instead gained something.
If you have fun with achievements, go for it. For me, I would rather having unlockable content, like MGS4 Altair's Suit or Uncharted's model swaps. I think that's the way to go. Medals and that kid of 2D stuff is just plain boring.
I really hope one day they make the achievements unlock content like you mentioned above, so you get the best of both worlds. Instead of shiny trophy you get sweet kick ass gun!
I'LL say it again my advice for the achievements or trophies system to be better is to have unlockables within a certain achievements not only earn points or gain more memorable moments but have more fun and that's what I want
I hate fanboys and the console war so as soon as i load up n4g i click ps3 so i only get ps3 news and its abit annoying having stuff like this & (psn vs xbl) on the ps3 section as i dont give a crap about it. They should add another category called the console war or something.
Home will bring much more than achievements did to gaming. If anything, trophies already brought more than the achievements, so this guy probably doesn't know what he talks about.
I don't like the fact that we cant show our Trophies outside the PS3 right now, we have no gamercard.
Home and trophies are the future of gaming get it right. That's right all in 1080P and in a 3D rotation w/ your score and ranking underneath. PS3 Wins. Nuff said.
When does HOME arrive again? Oh yeah, in the future, in the way, way future. At least Tools are optimistic about something they have never seen a final version of!
well, its on track right now. they are expanding the closed beta they will open it to everyone soon this year
soon a year ago!
SURE! TROPHIES > XBOT POINTS ANY DAY!!!
i agree. its fun getting acheivments. dont hate ladies, imbrace it or better yet copy it.
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