Article discussing why a PlayStation led market may be the best thing for the console gaming industry.
I agree that PS4 is a global system whereas Xbox One you get the best experience if you live in US or UK but as long as all consoles sell well that's the most important thing in my opinion because that's how we get the most diversity
'Xbox One you get the best experience if you live in US or UK ' Im not sure what you mean ; it sounds ambiguous as if your saying you cant get a good experience on xb1 outside those countries ;) What matters is people are happy with their gaming machines whichever it is and that is all :)
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Ah okay I see unfortunately I can't edit my comment but all I meant was that some of features/apps/games only release in the west because other markets like Japanse market is so small
It's true that if you have an XB1 you would get the most out of it in countries like the UK and US. Playstation is more of a global success because it appeals not just to the US or UK but to many other countries. Xbox always pushes the online aspect, to countries with fast internet it will appeal more. Playstation pushes general gaming online/offline it will appeal more to countries because not everyone's gonna have great internet. Plus the whole Xbox always online always connected initial reveal wouldn't be too exciting for a guy from a country with crappy internet.
The guy spoke the truth the xbox one media stuff is useless outside of usa
Remember the golden era of the ps2? Where devs didnt have to worry too much about supporting multiple platforms and be able to make profit on niche titles due to cost savings on focusing on one system? Back then even huge dev shops like rockstar were cranking out tiles like Manhunt.
From my standpoint, MS were complacent last gen because the lead garnered from a year, year plus head start in key regions. Them being behind is keeping them on their toes big time.... You think their fans or many potential customers will accept another end of gen fall off relying heavily on 3rd party games.... NO WAY.. I know the die-hards wont care but there are some that just wont accept that again, especially from an organisation with 'infinite cash'
@dirkdady: You're thinking PS1, when that system gave devs several benefits including perusing mature themes Nintendo didn't allow. PS2 was the one where pundits kept saying that the the Gamecube, Dreamcast and first Xbox where the more powerful systems, but the PS2 got all the games because, well, its about the games stupid.
Ps2 was only one console.. See what good it did to the industry. It clearly depends on who the market leader is. Everyone is here to make money but who is more consumer friendly? IF MS was market leader we would have been forced to buy the original Xbox1 they had visioned - 24 hour check, Kinect hearing your conversation, Kinect watching you etc etc..
I always got the impression that when a PlayStation console is in lead, it means we gonna be getting plenty of Japanese game ports :-D
It is true you get the best Xbox One experience if you are in the US/UK, but if you aren't your Xbox experience degenerates to what a PS4 offers! The simple matter is that, Playstation have been a global brand for a long time, so they get a head start there. On a second note, did anyone notice the article wrongly assumes the Xbox is the death of Japanese game industry? I'm sorry, but if MS was the only one, the Japanese game fans would flock to that console making it have a viable customer base. Secondly, the Japanese game industry is dying because they can no longer keep up with the innvation in the west. In fact, Japanese game developers have for the most part stagnated and is developing the same games over and over. Nobody wants that!
Kinda silly title, discussing why the best console being the best is the best for the industry.
like with PS2 non-action games have a better chance of success with the PS4 last gen only big action productions with everything shoe-horned in and developed based on focus testing and check-lists could thrive.
You are technically correct. But sales show that most people don't really give a crap about Xbox, outside of the US.
All consoles selling well doesn't ensure diversity. It doesn't ensure the competition stays strong. It doesn't ensure that the companies will push each other to do better so that we benefit. That's the go-to response, I've noticed, from Xbox fans who can't cope with their console getting its ass handed to it. How do you guys figure that everybody doing well is good? How do you come to the conclusion that no one struggling is good for us? Why would any of these companies want to push things if they don't have to in order to earn our money?
MS and Sony are both selling pretty well, compared to last gen. If you dont think Sony and MS are pushing each other, you must live under a rock. As for Xbox fans that "can't cope with their console getting its ass handed to it"... MOST xbox fans, just like MOST playstation fans, dont give 2 sh**s how well the console is selling. All they care about is what game they'll play next. Gamers play games, only idiots and fanboys play sales.
@Spotie, "All consoles selling well doesn't ensure diversity. It doesn't ensure the competition stays strong. It doesn't ensure that the companies will push each other to do better so that we benefit." it pushed sony to rethink their strategy with the ps4. the success of the xbox 360 forced sony to drop the price quickly and often of the ps3. it also forced sony to come out with hardware easy to work with since the xbox 360 became the lead platform. this generation has forced microsoft to drop the price just like sony had to with the ps3. "That's the go-to response, I've noticed, from Xbox fans who can't cope with their console getting its ass handed to it." you can't go a day without talking about xbox fans can you? this is why you are toxic to the forums because all you do is worry about the xbox and what the fans have to say. by the way, it's actually the wii u that is getting it's ass handed in sales as you eloquently put it but most sony loyal fans put all their focus on microsoft and their fans, not nintendo. "How do you guys figure that everybody doing well is good?" it's not good, what is good is competition exist and strong competition is all around the best scenario. the ps2 dominated and sony followed it up with a $600 game console with a terrible online service in the beginning. things improved over time and i believe a lot of that is due to strong competition. "How do you come to the conclusion that no one struggling is good for us?" ask yourself this, is sony not dropping the price of the ps4 because they don't have to actually beneficial to consumers when the price to make it goes down? "Why would any of these companies want to push things if they don't have to in order to earn our money?" they won't. it's why microsoft had to invest more in their own development teams. it's why nintendo has to rethink how they make a new console. just like how sony had to rethink their strategy after the ps3. but if you don't have strong competition then the companies see no reason to add new features or drop prices as quickly.
I agree with you Some of the greatest consoles ever have come as a result of an uphill battle. The Dreamcast, Genesis, PS1, OG xbox (imho) were all either responses to a lack of success or their first foray into games. But this isnt something to worry about because the nature of the market and competition in general ensures that the chances of the big three sharing success again like the 7th gen are VERY slim.
I feel with a Playstation 4 leading the industry in sales, gaming will be held back from moving forward more significantly. Sony are clueless when it comes to gaming. They have been doing nothing but copying their competitors this gen and last. I hope we see a greater balance between the 2 systems in order for this industry to break through that next boundry vs. Living in the past.
I feel that MS has pushed the industry forward whereas most other competitors have held it back. Look at the history! Once MS entered the race, Sony was catching up on MS features! Even today, the market leader PS4 cannot compete with the relentless innovation and feature release of the Xbox One. MS is the one pushing Xbox Live before PSN, and MS is the one pushing Xbox Live Cloud Compute, whereas Sony is attempting to copy and jump on the VR bandwagon. Even looking back at the Wii success with motion control, MS released innovative Kinect, whereas Sony made a Wii mote clone! One has a complete retake of how you do motion control, and the other is an exact copy with slightly better hardware several years later.
If sony had copied ms last gen they would have released a handfull of exclusive and mainly rely on third party. I think sony wants to copy microsoft when it's comes to gaming, that would be the worst thingb they can do. Remember: Sony's worst selling console still sold more than xbox 360 even released a year after 360. Sony is pro at delivering versatile games, ms is pro in delivering games mainly for brain dead dudebros.
'Sony are clueless when it comes to gaming' Wow I hadn't heard that one yet. :/ Needless to say I strongly disagree.
I find you and donthate to be two of the most fascinating people on n4g. You both actually think that because you believe something that it's actually true even though 99% of the times your statements are wrong, unfactual and is proven false by history and verifiable data. It's as if you guys think you have the power to make your thoughts a reality. The thing is you guys both know that those comments you just made are heaping piles of crap and can be destroyed by a 12 year old who has been gaming for the past 10 years.
@U_R_Weirdos "If sony had copied ms last gen they would have released a handfull of exclusive and mainly rely on third party." You might say that Sony is using this strategy right now. No?
@KiwiViper85- Yeah... for TWO months out of ONE year..... Not an entire console generation SMH Have you not seen Sony's 2016 Exclusive line up? Did you somehow miss all of the Exclusives released here in 2015 and still more to come? Yes, they have 3rd party deals going.. but they are also piling exclusives and new IPs up on top of that, 3rd party is far from the only thing they have going on. Don't forget Sony has 2 big shows left this year which can result in them padding the 2015/2016 Exclusives list. And possibly start showing some stuff for 2017. They way Sony is working this generation is nothing like MS's ways with the 360.
@lvl and the immediate one below, What da hell did i just read?
What the hell did i just read, you're anything but level headed.
Best gaming age is when Sony was leading. last gen was shit because Microsoft lead I hope that never happens again and Sony stays in lead forever so we can get great games like the old days :)
The truth is the market hasn't truly spoken yet. If we based every thing on two or three years then the ps3 would still be a failure. We have around 30 million enthusiasts. Many bought a PS4 and xbox one. Pretty much the 2d mario fans bought the wiiu. The markets have the following amount of gamers. North america has 200 million gamers. Europe, middle east, africa has 600 million gamers. asia-pacific now has 912 million gamers. How is Sony going to deal with these staggering numbers. These numbers will tempted even the most harden console supporter that makes console games. Konami and capcom along with some western studios are about to make the jump. How can sony possibly keep these publishers from not pulling support? Can sony continue to pay publishers for content with out loosing out totally? Right now there is not much on the PS brand that is wholely controlled by sony. If these 3rd parties leave they would get dreamcast right now! PS4 success is totally because of 3rd parties right now and it's scary to me. I've seen two game crashes. I have also seen a total out sider come in to now seemingly dominate the console industry. All of this was done off the back of 3rd parties. If sony was dominating off their own ip that they controlled i would feel better for the console industry. Yet There is some thing more popular than even the PS4. Mobile... https://www.google.com/sear... there is your controller solution... http://madcatz.com/gamesmar... or any of these... https://www.google.com/sear... http://venturebeat.com/2012... and this is very old stuff here.... These numbers are due to mobile not console. What is sony going to do? will they simply ignore this and keep on with the ps4 dominace dance? Then their is the simple fact that nintendo... the console savior is now forced to get some mobile games out because our children are turning into mobile gamers. The 3ds struggles to fight against the mobile rush while sony just lets the vita sit there and die. While we go and make articles about sony dominance being a good thing. I'm not so sure it is. The hardcore are not loyal to companies they are loyal to power and fun. Just ask sega or nintendo.3rd parties are not loyal either and the constant fighting online is making the market hostel to publishers also. Ms has there win 10 platform which every one will ignore but nintendo's mobile push and the new ideas with their hardware could be what the industry needed to keep 3rd part on consoles. It doesn't help that every one applauded nintendo's move to mobile and the NX leakes are heavily searched for.
"For a smaller company like Atlus or Falcom, what use is there in making a version of Persona or Ys for the Xbox One, and waste significant resources, when no one in Japan, which is their primary market anyway, will actually buy the game on the Xbox One?" Not many people in the west would buy them on XONE either. Western fans of these games are VERY similar to Japanese fans of these games.
Those are the type games that should be on games with gold or ps+. I bought danganronpa 1+2 for me and persona 4 golden for the gf after playing zero escape virtues last reward from ps+. I would have never purchased those games with the mindset I had before Zero Escape.
Its a win win for both sides really.
Why PlayStation Being Dominant May be The Best Thing For The Gaming Industry -Because they serve HardCore fans 1st - casuals later. Been this way since 95'
Yep. Thats the jist. Quite pithy of you.
Actually they tend to serve all gamers equally. Sony has never abandoned the Hardcore nor catered only to them, but they have always been "Gamers First" when it comes to thier gaming consoles.
The irony of your statement is that, not too long ago, there was an article where one of the heads of Sony stated that they wanted to draw in the Wii crowd with their system, as well as core gamers. Dunno how well they've drawn in casuals, but their sales are high enough just off of the cores and dude-bros that it doesn't really matter at this point if they've got the casuals on their side.XD
You can almost entirely associate the hard core PS fans with fans of Japanese games too. When Japanese companies do good, there's a sense of color and variety added to a gen. Last gen it was almost entirely bland in color and variety. It might exclusively had to do with MS ahead and just pushing out online multiplayer, shooters and racing games. Third parties followed suit and decided to coast with that idea and get lazy. That and since the 360 was ahead in America, Japan had to try and cope with the situation..either by Americanizing their games or finding a way to appeal to both Japan and America, and on a system where very few Japanese gaming fans choose. Mistwalker is a prime example of what happens to a Japanese company making exclusive games for a MS system.
PlayStation Being Dominant means that more games other than shooters and sports will come to the ps4, specially the japanese games to the west, just like ps2 era
Yep As a Hack @ slash and fighters fan, last gen was extremely disappointing to say the least. Very few titles came out for these genres compared to the PS1 and PS2.
There weren't japanese games last gen on the PS3 because it was expensive to develop for due to its architecture.
Because it means a long healthy support for games even after the next generation starts. Its a Sony thing.
You say that as if Rise of the Tomb Raider is not being released on Xbox 360.
No but generally speaking MS stops developing games for their last gen console even before the new one comes out. That is not the case with Playstations. With the 360 for example MS sort of began making casual games from the second half of the generation, then by the time Playstation got into full gear releasing games like TLOU, MS really had stopped all together. I mean its a fact, its not my opinion. I think MS even mentioned at some point that they were shifting focus to the upcoming new generation when they were asked about the lack of big exclusives. And of course you remember how quickly the original xbox was abandoned whereas the PS2 continued almost to the end of the PS3/360 era.
Interesting read by the way.
I think the PS brand has set a standard in every generation they've been involved in. 1) They've taken more risk in bringing more unique video games to different genre across the board than their competitors. 2) They've pushed the technological aspects of gaming across the board moreso than their competitors. 3) They've even accrued heavy losses across the board, while in the same turn of events continue to provide their supporters/fanbase with what they've asked for. 4) They've added key features that were requested from them last generation that their competitors had. 5) They've created and expanded on social networking within the infrastructure of their consoles/handhelds as well as improved on their online infrastructure. 6) With what I've listed, this one should be obvious!? They have and are listening to their supporters/fanbase.
Quickly glancing through your list, please tell me how Sony and not MS did this: "5) They've created and expanded on social networking within the infrastructure of their consoles/handhelds as well as improved on their online infrastructure. " How did they set a standard here? If anything they were years behind MS last gen. Xbox made online console gaming what it is today. Sony were followers and even lagged behind with their PS3 against the original Xbox with some social media functionality. This gen however they have msde great strides to rectify their shortcomings in this arena but in no way have they set a standard with online networking.
I guess I missed the part about Microsoft having a handheld!? My bad. Also I forgot about Microsoft allowing me the ability to pass control of a game I'm playing to someone on the other side of the planet to take over playing the game for me!? If there anything else I've missed please let me know.
You said consoles/handhelds. That suggested either or not between the two. Plus your reference to social networking made it altogether vague. But if you're strictly talking handheld to consoles then fair enough, I agree
That honestly sounds like you were talking about xbox. MS did all that and more, 1) did you not see the risk they did this gen, last gen and it's og console? Bringing online gaming center fold, kinect and bundling it, ect and game wise ps hasn't had a halo or fable two very unique one of a kind games. 2)Like.... 3)Xbox hasn't? 4)Backwards compatibility nuff said lol 5)After xbox did it 6)lol BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY #1 requested feature they brought it and other request in fact they do it monthly
You are forgetting one word.... LIMITED
as well as improved on their online infrastructure. Not true. The online hasn't improve much from PS3 to PS4.
they did improve it, if you have ps4 you would know that, specially if you played a ps3 version then ps4 version of the same game online.
I do have a PS4. I don't see much improvement in online multiplayer. Only improvement I see is browsing through PSN is faster.
Sony entered the video game console market dominated by Nintendo and Sega, and beat them at their own game. Playstation is arguably a household name as much as Nintendo is, because of its broad appeal.
broad appeal because in 90s Sony other product were the standard. So seeing them having their own gaming platform was big thing. Then again that the brand. Franchises is a different story.
Yeah it's always better having the technically superior console leading the way rather than like we had with Xbox 360, sure 360 was great but multiplatform games towards the end and PS3 exclusive games were much better on PS3, it was like the ps2 and God of war coming at the end of the consoles lifecycle, we got gran turismo 6 on PS3, i have every faith we've barely scratched the surface with ps4 and we all know Xbox one is struggling to get 1080 across the board so yeah very glad that ps4 is the console to go to as its technically a beast and not being held back by an inferior system, GTA4 and 5 would have been epic if PS3 exclusive but no they had to get it to fit on a DVD as well.
I think the most obvious reason, is that the Playstation has the Japanese gaming industry behind it, which means a larger and more diverse library of games over all. It may not be as monstrous as it was during the PS2 days, but you can already tell that the momentum, and flow, of titles coming out of Japan has already shot past what it was last gen at this time. This isn't a bash against Xbox. It's just how the industry currently stands.
That is not really the case. Sony pressured Konami that caused the issue with Kojima. Sony pressured third party companies in Japan. Now, that is bitting them in the ass so they have to cut the price of the ps4. Burning a million and a half customers who paid a lot more.
?... Got proof of...any of that? Pressured them to do...what?
Sony used Metal gear 5 in its promotion to launch the ps4 it stands to reason that Sony were putting pressure on Konami to get the game out and help save the ps4 in Japan. Sony promised massive sales to 3rd parties in Japan and yet most games have crashed and burned on the system in Japan. Now Sony is desperate to increase the install base in Japan or lose Japanese 3rd parties forever. So now we have the ps4 down to cheaper than a wii u. However, the console is only a year and half old in Japan and most of the 1.5 million who bought the console are getting punished for being early adopters. They had to pay more for a louder more likely to break console.
"Sony used Metal gear 5 in its promotion to launch the ps4 it stands to reason that Sony were putting pressure on Konami to get the game out and help save the ps4 in Japan." Horrible reasoning, and your comment only goes downhill from there.
One console being dominant will only lead to more 3rd party publishers closing up shop. These developers need more than one platform to spread their games across to be successful, just look at what Konami said recently. MGSV needs to double it's sales in order to break even! These companies aren't looking to break even on these expensive games and each company paying for short term exclusivity isn't really paying for the full development and marketing that it cost to push these games to a wider audience.
? One console being dominant doesn't change the total amount of consoles out there, though. 100 million consoles is still 100mil whether PS4 has 80, and Xbox has 20, or 50/50, etc. So it doesn't affect 3rd party devs how it's spread. What it affects, is whether or not, specifically, games make their way over to the west from Japan. If the western gaming market has the PS4 leading, there is more incentive for Japan to release more games to the west.
Just because a console sells 150 million units doesn't mean that one companies system will have the same software attach rate as it may have across 2 individual platforms. The ps2 to PS3 and 360 years should have taught you guys this easy enough. 3rd party developers last-gen saw a much improved sales margin selling to 2 different installed bases than 1. Not to mention that going from PS2 to PS3/360 saw more studios close shop than I can ever remember in gaming history...
Hardware sales doesn't not matter to publishers other than Sony when it comes to PS4. What matter is how much their games sold. Why do you think Tomb Raider 2013 failed even after selling 5m across 3 platforms. The attachment rate for the software is terrible is why. Selling 1m - 5m copies or more on a platforms that has large number of users is a bad thing. If Dragon Quest Heroes doesn't sell 1m on PS4 in the west that a bad thing. No matter how much the PS4 sold. Attachment rate for games, break even and get return on games is what third party publishers want. Hardware sales just let them believe they can but in reality they will most likely won't.
@OtakuDJK1NG-Rory "Hardware sales doesn't not matter to publishers" it does matter to publishers, if it wasnt then we wouldnt have got Dragon Quest Heroes for ps4 only, or digimon world cyber sleuth/world of final fantasy for ps4/psvita when its supposed to be a vita only game. "Why do you think Tomb Raider 2013 failed even after selling 5m across 3 platforms" thats because they are idiots just like capcom with resident evil 6 who they think it failed because sales wasnt COD/bf number, and we ended up with Resident Evil Umbrella Corps.
Can you cite those attach rates, then, and also the studios that closed, as compared to the number of studio closings that happen every generation? And as far as what Konami said, it's different for every game. Not all games have the same budget. MGSV was in development for 7 years, both the game, and also the new engine to run it. Most games don't come anywhere near that long.
We already saw Microsoft's grand vision for the future of gaming during the XB1 reveal and it is horrible. Thank goodness Sony is in the drivers seat this generation.