More Evidence Points to PS2 Games on PS4 Thanks to Firmware Update 3.00 Beta

While the original poster took the image down and claimed it as a fake, PSLS was contacted by a tipster who wished to remain anonymous, and pointed towards the PS4 3.00 firmware beta, where PS2 game War of the Monsters is shown being played on PS4. Also, as we included in the below gallery, Siren also appears on other people’s PS4’s:

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GamingWithMack907d ago

Glad to see more proof of this! Looks like it's going to happen.

Septic907d ago

Maybe an announcement in Paris!

Imagine if the demo disc which shipped with the PS2 was backwards compatible. The one with SSX on it. Aaah good times.

Spyroo907d ago

Paris Game Show? For this unlikely, more likely to be announced at Playstation Experience

Forn907d ago

SSX... God how I miss thee...

Godmars290907d ago (Edited 907d ago )

Doubt its going to be disc supported BC. More likely it'll be a library addition for PS Now.

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Something the new firmware allows?

Minimox16907d ago

@ Godmars290

You cannot Live stream in PS Now

Eiyuuou907d ago

"I didn't know backs could bend that way!"

The commentary was hilarious in that game! Good times!

WalterWJR907d ago

Picked up ssx3 in a charity shop today for 50p

Why o why907d ago

Ssx....thats all you had to say bro

quaneylfc907d ago

Is this a good thing or a bad thing, i want to play my ps2 games again definitely:

State of Emergency
Max Payne 1 and 2

But wouldn't that mean abandoning Playstation Now and taking Microsoft's formula for emulation?

Ipunchbabiesforfun907d ago

Oh man! I LOVED SSX!! I haven't thought of that game in a very long time.

Davi123907d ago


PS Now is a rent service.
SharePlay is a service to share your games or to play games of others.
PS VITA could be used to play PS4 where you want.
PS Shop is for you buy digital games.
Got it?

bryank75906d ago

Was just remembering back to SSX and 1080 snowboarding... they were great games. Hope they make some this gen.

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Ron_Danger907d ago

I posted this in the other article, but if this is true, it could be related to their 2013 patent to add trophy support to PS1 and PS2 games:

SmokingMonkey907d ago

I would love Retro-BC-Trophy support!

Eidolon907d ago

That the only way I'd buy PS2/PS1 titles from the store.

SniperControl907d ago

Ahh man, i can finally retire my launch PS2, it must be sick of me playing SSX Tricky all the time.

The old fella groans and moans at me everytime i open the dvd tray.

gangsta_red907d ago

Right! It's all about convenience and not having to take up more real estate. Who wouldn't want their new console to support games from past consoles?

I think this is great news (if true), especially since I still have a TON of old PS2 games I haven't finished yet.

johndoe11211907d ago

Personally, i'll never retire my ps2. If the ps4 get's a form of BC then that's all well and fine but my ps2 will never be gotten rid of.

UltraNova906d ago


I second that. I still have my N64, PS2 and PS3 and my 2nd RRoD xbox360 haha... never getting rid of them.

Atomicjuicer907d ago

Remote play as well as disc support better work

whoyouwit04907d ago

Dude do you really think you are going to stick a PS2 disc in the ps4 and play it? You will be paying to play a game you already own just like you are already doing with PS Now.

Davi123907d ago


yeah, it could be just that. PS2 games on the PS store. But i don't understand why you are so sceptical in PS4 have BC, like it was impossible.

TWB907d ago

I would really love it if they could get the PS2 emulation working, Im still sceptical when you compare the PS4 CPU power to what is needed on the PC emulator but... I have hope. They have had enough years to work on the emulation and trying to work out all the kinks out, coupled with an excellent emulator to take notes from on the PC.

Even better if the games worked straightforwardly from the discs and didnt require any downloads.

So gonna play and record some of my games if this is going to happen and have a decent support.

AndrewLB907d ago

I agree with you on the processor power. PCSX2 requires an i3/i5/i7 @ 3.0ghz+ to run games at full speed. In order for any PS2 emulator to use more than two processor cores, they'd have to do major re-coding of every game... something that will not happen.

It's going to be interesting to see how Sony is able to run this emulation on only two 1.6ghz cores.

NarooN907d ago


PCSX2 has those requirements because it's an emulator that has been steadily updated since around '01 or '02. gsdx plugin needs a complete rewrite which could give a huge speedup, but no one is familiar with the guy who wrote it's coding style so no one touches it except him when he makes his rare appearances every now and then. PCSX2 supports two threads normally under Hardware Rendering, three if you use the MTVU hack (which can break games, hence being labeled a hack) and >3 threads if using the Software Renderer.

Seeing as how Sony got PS2 BC working purely via software on the PS3 with their PS2 Classics line, I'd say it's plausible they could get it working on PS4 with their own proprietary emulator. Two of the guys who used to work on PCSX2 back in the day were hired by Sony a few years back, so it's not far-fetched to assume they had a hand with the PS3's SW emulator.

kneon907d ago (Edited 907d ago )

After the original PS3 dropped the hardware emulation for PS2 games they had software emulation for one or two models, I have one. So there is no doubt the PS4 can handle it.

It's a lot easier for Sony to do than it is for the PC guys as they know both systems inside and out and have all the source code. They don't have to reverse engineer anything.

rainslacker907d ago

Comparing a PC hacked emulator to an officially licensed emulator is not really a 1:1 comparison.

For one, the "hacked" emulators tend to interpret the bios code, translate that to new machine and OS code, process the code, then reinterpret it again on output.

Sony would have much more information on API interpretation than any modder would, although, those modders are pretty clever. Many things within a non-sanctioned emulator are just workarounds, and not always efficient.

On top of that, unlike a unsanctioned emulator, Sony could also adjust it's back end API's on the hardware itself, allowing for much lower level access to routines which would be hidden from the common PC hacker without any way to do a workaround to to the abstraction that an OS causes.

In addition, a sanctioned emulator on the console would not have the overhead of the operating system, or the added code from having to abide by the OS's rules for data transmission. On the consoles, the data could run it's own management, whereas that is not possible on a PC.

Realistically, if MS could make a 360 emulator for the X1, there is absolutely no reason Sony couldn't make a PS1 or PS2 emulator for the PS4. The PS4 is many times more powerful than those machines, and clock speed isn't the only determining factor, as the newer lower clocked CPU's can process more data in the same time than those from a generation past. How much data a CPU can process is really the biggest determining factor on it's speed...not the clock.

TWB907d ago (Edited 907d ago )


Dude, that last piece of information is pretty sweet. Have never heard about that.

Yeah, its going to be pretty interesting to see how Sony can work this thing out. Back when PS4 released, it was reported that its CPU could turboboost one core to 2.7Ghz (which would disable one or two if I remember correctly) which is not great but could help.

Didnt also one/some of the PCSX2 devs recently say that multithreading PS2 emulation across more cores is much more possible than was previously thought but it would require complete rewrite?

I wouldnt call them exactly hackers or modders but I do agree that Sony does have sort of "homefield advantage" when they are trying to create a emulator in their own closed environment.

I do know about the CPU performance, the emulator and the community all favor Intel CPUs that have considerably higher performance per core with lower clocks than AMDs processors. PS4 having a AMD CPU can be slightly more problematic.

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C-H-E-F907d ago (Edited 907d ago )

I forgot I got this beta weeks ago. SMH I hate the real world, Job, more Job... Wife... sleep Job Job... I miss Gaming...gaming more gaming... save my money i make for more gaming. hmph

Just downloaded it :D, thanks author of this post for reminding me of my slackness. You're the best.

jerethdagryphon907d ago

Its certinly technically possible and sony did do that patent for adding trophies to old games so maybe they will do it

nitus10907d ago

If a firmware update or software was made available for the PS4 to be able to read, install and play PS2 and possibly PS1 games then that would be extra icing on the cake.

Even on my BC PS3 PS2 games still look quite graphically acceptable on my HDTV. PS1 games (all PS3's will play PS1 game disks) while playable appear very grainy although they are more acceptable on a smaller screen.

BrandanT907d ago

Why would this gen enjoy this when everyone here complains about graphics? /s

Tobsesan906d ago

If it aint 1080p ps fanboys will hate it anyway

peshkavusCA906d ago

No one will complain since it's PS products. Only non PS stuff will be decimated.

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AizenSosuke907d ago

Hell yeah this prove that Siren for PS2 is coming.

excaliburps907d ago

You mean PS4? :) I want a NEW Siren on PS4! I mean, we're getting a ton of horror games...Sony, please?!

ocelot07907d ago

Am hoping Sony get Kokima on board and bring his vision he had for Silent Hills and help develop a new Siren game.

KwietStorm907d ago

Kokima? Who the hell is Kokima? lol

zeuanimals907d ago

The team that made Siren is currently working on Gravity Rush which is getting a lot more buzz. I dunno if they're gonna go back to Siren if Gravity Rush 2 is a hit since each of the Siren games together sold worse than the already badly selling Gravity Rush (even though these were all great game).

They could have another team make it but without Toyama (director of the first Silent Hill, the entire Siren franchise, and both Gravity Rush 1 & 2), I don't think it'll be the same.

Ron_Danger907d ago


You don't know who Helio Kokima is?!

The creator of the stealth game Carbon Chain Liquid...

And co-creator of the canceled horror game T.P. where you investigate a public bathroom stall haunted by ghostly toilet paper.

x_RadicalAura_x907d ago

I agree. Kokima san is a living legend. The ladies are all over him like white on ricey.

morganfell907d ago

"Kokima? Who the hell is Kokima? lol"

Kokima is one of two cloned brothers, the other being Kojima. Products of genetic manipulation, one of the brothers received the best genetic material for a game developer and the other did not.

MasterCornholio906d ago (Edited 906d ago )


"And co-creator of the canceled horror game T.P. where you investigate a public bathroom stall haunted by ghostly toilet paper."

Did you say TP? TP for my bunghole?

Helio Kokima must give me TP or suffer the wrath of my all mighty bunghole.

Tobsesan906d ago

Ton of horror games?? Call me 5 this year, go!!

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Aloy-Boyfriend907d ago

Maybe it Backwards Compatibility with PS1 and PS2 games? That's be great to have them all digital like PS Vita has PS1 and PSP games. If PS4 is unable to emulate PS3 games because of the cell architecture, Fine! But, emulating PS1 and PS2 games wouldn't be that bad on a much advance hardware.

DarkOcelet907d ago

If it can be done on modded PS3 and X360 consoles, then they have no excuse of getting PS1 and PS2 games to work on PS4.

AndrewLB907d ago

PS3 and X360 had much higher frequency processor cores. Correct me if i'm wrong, but aren't 2 PS3 cores or 2 360 cores substantially more powerful than 2 jaguar cores?
And any emulation of PS2 is going to be stuck to only two processor cores because that's how all the games are designed to run. They'd have to rewrite every game to use 3 or more cores.

kneon907d ago

The PS2 CPU is just a 300mhz MIPS core, nothing special.

DragoonsScaleLegends907d ago

The bad thing about only being digital is that they are never going to have even half the library of games that are out there for the PS1, PS2, and PSP available digitally. The great thing about the PSP is since it has custom firmware I was able to rip my Tony Hawk PS1 games and play them on PSP and they worked perfectly but I doubt you will ever see them on the store.

zeuanimals907d ago

Good luck finding physical copies and good luck finding them in a good enough shape to play. Every PS2 game I find has taken a serious beating.

The PS4 doesn't have PS1, PS2, or PSP hardware inside it allowing you to play them easily. So even if they did allow for discs to be used, the discs would be pointless unless they've updated the emulator to emulate that specific game. I'd like if they allowed for disc usage since that's just more options for the user, but I wouldn't ever use it since there's potentially a lot of hassle from it.

TWB907d ago


Lol, dude...

I bought alone during the past week 7 PS2 games around 2-3€ each, all had manuals, 4 had good condition cases and had very good discs (some didnt even have any scratches).

And finding used games here where I live for such a good price is not that common but theres plenty of games in very nice conditions. If I have to buy for regular price, theres a dedicated store in my town that has anything from NES to PS4. I bet any bigger city will have more options.

zeuanimals907d ago


Well, you're much luckier than I am. I can't find anything that's not scratched to hell, hence why I said I personally wouldn't use it. I still said I'd like to have it just for the option.

DragoonsScaleLegends907d ago (Edited 907d ago )


Let me tell you something that will change your life forever, it's called EBAY.

I was able to pick up my favorite PS2 games still new and sealed for around $20, except for a few more rare games. Now PS1 the price is extremely high for new sealed PS1 games but the used prices are usually reasonable for good condition games.

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jb227907d ago

Wouldn't it more likely be ps1 & 2 games added to PsNow or the store? That would be enough for me personally because I've gotten rid of all of my older games but I'd love to have the opportunity to pick & choose some new ones to try that I never got around to

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jb227907d ago


Really? I thought the whole idea behind PSNow was adding the full lifetime catalogue of Sony titles across all gens eventually? I could've sworn I'd read that they planned on doing that but maybe I'm mistaken. That seems really strange, that kinda kills a lot of the potential for a monthly game streaming subscription if it will only ever be limited to ps3 titles.

S2Killinit907d ago

Do we really need backward compatibility though? I dont think i would use it even once.

nitus10907d ago

You may not but there are quite a few people that would.

I am fortunate to have a backwards compatible PS3 however my PS3 (PAL region) is a mixture of hardware and software emulation and while I can read and play all my PS2 games, three of my games hang/crash at certain areas in the game. This is not due to scratches since my games are in extremely good condition.

xxjabberxx907d ago

That would make sense since most of us still have the PS3. Well I do. But I don't have both the ps1 or ps2 but I still have tones of games.

_-EDMIX-_907d ago

That would be nice, but I feel its sorta doubtful. I think it might be PS2 and PS1 games added to PSN or likely even added to PS Now.

Consider they are pushing PS Now and always adding games or it could be both, them as digital downloads for PS4 and PS Now for all devices, but full BC for PS1 and PS2 games from what I'm seeing from those images seems a bit unlikely.

Would be nice, but I'd put my money on it being a PS Now addition.

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Relientk77907d ago (Edited 907d ago )

If PS4 gets PS2 and PS1 backwards compatibility that would be awesome

Edit: yeah that's what I mean. I can use all my PS1 and PS2 game discs for PS4

Hoffmann907d ago

But real backwards compatibility that would mean that I could use all the old ps1-2 games I still have here

Agent_00_Revan907d ago

It would only be PS2. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I remember it being said during the PS4 release that it's laser doesn't read CDs. Which means it can't possibly read PS1 games.

DragoonsScaleLegends907d ago

All modern Blu-ray Drives support CD's and only very early models didn't have this ability. Anyone who thinks the reason the PS4 can't play Music CD's or PS1 CD's is anything other than a software issue are misinformed.

Davi123907d ago

In case of Sony are seeing this^
Please don't do BC like MS.
Use emulators to play ALL THE GAMES!
And if you are afraid of piracy, then put the emulatores behind PS Plus!

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