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Forza Has Finally Escaped the Shadow of Gran Turismo

Love it or hate it, the release of a new entry in the Gran Turismo series always feels like an event. In contrast, and try as it may, developer Turn 10's Forza Motorsport franchise for Xbox consoles has never garnered the same level of attention

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Godmars2901099d ago

No. Just from the title of this article it hasn't.

Forza is a racer on Xbox brand consoles. The instant you try to insist that its as good as much less better than another racing game on another brand console, don't have the in game content or sales to back up any claim while trying to insist that its better, you're putting it in the shadow of the other racer. Not putting it outside.

Hell, MS have been turning out entries in the series seemingly just to catch up to the number of official GT releases. Not been putting in the effort to match content or improve quality, not that you'd know it by the way fanboys gush.

How about just enjoying the game for the game's own sake? Not that its better than brand's Y racer.

Septic1099d ago (Edited 1099d ago )

Lol what are you on about? Such a terrible post. You're saying the two titles cannot be compared because
1) sales
2) less content?

Yeah lets forget things that matter such as gameplay?

"How about just enjoying the game for the game's own sake? Not that its better than brand's Y racer."

Lol no don't put this at the end after your little tirade at the start basically doing the same thing?

"Not been putting in the effort to match content or improve quality, not that you'd know it by the way fanboys gush."

What?? Lmao! This is just complete misinformation or pure fanboy 'gush' from you.

Answer me this; the sheer critical acclaim the latest entry got. It didn't come from an effort to increase quality? Really? 450 cars, day and night races, 24 players online and weather plus customisations galore... No?

Just wow... You might as well throw in the 'media bias, Xbox paid for reviews ' point just to add icing on the cake.

Godmars2901099d ago

I'm saying that this is the same GT vs Forza BS that's always happened. Xbox fans praise Forza regardless of any other factors. Features get taken out, put back in, tracks and cars get reduced then increased. Meanwhile gets condemn GT for every and any fault regardless of what's done right.

When the crap over the multi-disc Forza and the install "option" happened, it was largely pointless to argue with Xbox fanboys about because reason went right out the window. Not that such stopped comparisons with Drive Club and the next Forza, since nothing's been announced for GT. There'll likely be two other Forzas out by that time.

Mind you, when DC and Forza's weather effects where compared much if not all argument and comparison's stopped - I wont say why since you all ready know.

Septic1099d ago

"Meanwhile gets condemn GT for every and any fault regardless of what's done right."

How can you honestly say that when you were the one that said this about Forza above:

"Not been putting in the effort to match content or improve quality, not that you'd know it by the way fanboys gush."

Really? If Drivatars, 24 player multiplayer, night races (something the PlayStation contingent ridiculed the previous games for not having), weather snd never done before 3D puddles that have massive gameplay ramifications aren't meaningful improvements, what are??

Again, honestly I would be grateful if you could just answer these two questions:

1. Why do the Forza games score so highly in reviews?
2. In light of your comment about GT getting condemned for what it does right, please name me the new features in that game that are unrecognised.

yewles11099d ago

"2. In light of your comment about GT getting condemned for what it does right, please name me the new features in that game that are unrecognised."

Curiosity piqued. Apart from the two of you both unwittingly proving the article wrong whether you wanted to/realized it or not, but the question is now what the reaction will be if this question IS answered somehow. I'll give it a shot and just name TWO of the new features GT now has and see how it goes:

1. OFFICIAL MoTec i2 Pro support.
Unlike certain other apps that shall not be named, MoTec provides actual tools to analyze your driving data uploaded to a PC.
http://www.motec.com/gt6/gt...

2. GPS Data Logger.
Having a real drive scanned and then recreated in-game can help with your technique, there's even plans to have celeb drivers have their drive data scanned for future time trial challenges.
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Now WHAT ARE going to be the various reactions to this post (I can practically check them all off right now)? Let's sit back and watch...

NewMonday1099d ago

@Godmars290
"The instant you try to insist that its as good as much less better than another racing game on another brand console, don't have the in game content or sales to back up any claim while trying to insist that its better, you're putting it in the shadow of the other racer"

well said, totally destroys the article and turns it on its head

@Septic

sorry man Forza is only compared in the context of Forza, GT is simply in a different league altogether and is judged based on that, GT is THE game respected and acknowledged by motor-heads, if GT even attempts to de-evolve itself into a casual pleasing sports game it will instantly lose its much larger fanbase. if Forza is enough to give you what you want than good for you.

@yewles1

great point man, proves that GT fans are drivers and actually own cars and know what driving is about, and Forza fans are mostly public commuters who want thrill imitation.

FlexLuger1099d ago

GT was the console sim that got me started on sims way back in the PS1 days. I was loyal to that series until FM2..then FM3 happened and it had already surpassed GT at that point in my eyes. FM4 just cemented its position as the better series for me.

And for me it all lies in one thing. Which one feels most like driving a real car? both do a good job...but forza has a an extra layer of feel. An extra layer of punishment brought on by its tire simulation.

@Godmars290

"When the crap over the multi-disc Forza and the install "option" happened, it was largely pointless to argue with Xbox fanboys about because reason went right out the window."

So are you just gonna ignore the fact that you dont do any disc swapping? so What if you had to install it? is that not the case for most games today. if anything thats MS fault for not atleast going with HD DVD as a default drive in XB1. Its not T10s fault if they make a game that is too big for DVD.

"Not that such stopped comparisons with Drive Club and the next Forza, since nothing's been announced for GT"

Lets be clear..sony fans fired the first shot their. And sony followed up with its ridiculous "forza killer" ad campaign playing into said PS fans 'excitement'. Yet DC has been royally battered by FM5, Fh2 and now FM6 in the areas that count. Sure DC looks better but it means nothing if its the inferior game, overall.

"since nothing's been announced for GT. There'll likely be two other Forzas out by that time. "

Given that T10 tend to improve on every forza (even FM5 sported upgraded car physics, ragrdaless of its launch title status)In dont see the issue. FM6 is an amazing game.

"GT fans are drivers and actually own cars and know what driving is about, and Forza fans are mostly public commuters who want thrill imitation."

You are so full of shit its unreal, new monday. I have done track days at brands, silverstone and donnington. I also drive a pretty descent car for track days. You are not going to tell me about imitation thrills. YOu probably dont even know how to heel or toe, in a real car and I doubt you have ever even ttaken acar above 7000RPM on a public road. Yet you are going to make such assumptions about forza players. You are letting your own fanboy goggles cloud any sense of reasoning if you think there are forza guys that dont do track days and actually tinker with their own cars.

Septic1099d ago (Edited 1099d ago )

@yewles

So two features worth shouting about are Motec support and data logger? Are there really gameplay features and one's talking about? How many people actually use them? Less than 5-10%?

@new
"great point man, proves that GT fans are drivers and actually own cars and know what driving is about, and Forza fans are mostly public commuters who want thrill imitation."

Lol man, your sentiment is so forced its cringeworthy. Patting the backs of gt supporters weak arguments doesn't really add much to the topic.

Forza gamers are public commuters? Haha. The things people come out with.

I mean Motec and GPS logger? Come on guys. You can do better.

NewMonday1099d ago

@Septic

Forza fans have been hyping Forza for years and GT fans still don't care for Forza, they keep bringing up GT as a cry for attention but the market keeps ignoring.

this article is even bigger proof GT is on a bigger league, because the past days Forza articles have been a wasteland, only the same couple of guys posting over and over, this article only got hot because it mentions GT, you are all here to talk about GT.

bringing up GT constantly screens of insecurity, just have fun with Forza guys.

RocketScienceLvlStuf1099d ago (Edited 1099d ago )

"sheer critical acclaim".

I wouldn't call a metacritic score of 88 sheer critical acclaim. It's a great score but you are kind of proving his point about how fanboys gush.

MGS V, Last of US etc are games with sheer critical acclaim and their review scores show it.

@Septic.

In your post below you missed out the word "sheer". Critial accalim yes. But sheer critical acclaim makes it sound like it is in the upper echelons of gaming reviews.

Frankly 90 is always the target. a 90+ score is when games enter into the very top bracket.

Septic1099d ago (Edited 1099d ago )

@rocket

Errrr...have a look at metacritic and the scores. Its critical acclaim whatever way you spin it.

@new
"Forza fans have been hyping Forza for years and GT fans still don't care for Forza"

Absolutely incorrect. GT fanboys are EXTREMELY bitter about how Forza has taken the crown as the best racing series out there. You guys are in denial.

Review scores don't matter, "but look at sales!" etc yet Forza has been so clearly the better racing series for, what I believe to be most reasonable objective gamers. Some may of course have genuine preferences but mostly its just sheer insecurity which makes GT fans prop up a defence for the series of late.

That said, I do think GT7 will take the crown because I think Polyphony are intent on really doing the seminal racing series justice.

NewMonday1099d ago

@Septic

his point is that the Forza6 is good, just not in the same class of reception as MGS5PP, Bloodborne, Mario Kart. Forza at 8.8 is not a benchmark setter by any means, not even the best Forza game, neither the 2nd best Forza game. people didn't care about Forza then, they wont care about Forza now.

Godmars2901099d ago (Edited 1099d ago )

"1. Why do the Forza games score so highly in reviews?
2. In light of your comment about GT getting condemned for what it does right, please name me the new features in that game that are unrecognised."

"Errrr...have a look at metacritic and the scores. Its critical acclaim whatever way you spin it."

Froza 5 metacritic: 79
http://www.metacritic.com/g...
GT6 metacritic: 81
http://www.metacritic.com/g...

And yeah, you can throw up every Forza/GT score, just try to remember that for many GT titles, Forza hadn't even been made yet. Never mind that my main point is that your big "critical acclaim" likewise are slight score differences. 2/100 in this case. And not in favor of Forza even when considering that GT6 got railed on for having 1000 cars, many of which were low graphic recycled.

Again, you want to say and insist that Forza repeatedly reviews higher or overall, but overall the review scores between the two games is negatable.

For second question, guessing no one talks about moving stars in night skys. All anyone talks about is moon buggies and weather because, you know, Forza 6 has it now and the Xbox fan camp have been beating everyone on the head that it has something that was on the game from the other system from last gen. Failed to match up to a current contemporary, Drive Club with that one feature.

@FlexLuger:
"So are you just gonna ignore the fact that you dont do any disc swapping?"

Meh. The Xbox camp ignore the issues involved with what MS did to compensate for not waiting a year or two to offer better basic hardware, BR or HDDVD, that one of those compensations effectively made HDDs mandatory when many console owners didn't have one, so why shouldn't I ignore disc swapping?

Edit:
"So two features worth shouting about are Motec support and data logger? Are there really gameplay features and one's talking about? How many people actually use them? Less than 5-10%?"

Okay, really? That was in response to you asking for two unrecognized features. Ones no one talks about.

#goalpostmovemuch?

NewMonday1099d ago

@Septic

Sorry man the bitterness comes from the constant need to compair Forza with GT, why do Forza fans have this desperate need for acknowledgement from GT fans?

Spotie1099d ago

So lemme get this straight Septic:

You ASKED for two new features that don't get the recognition they deserve, someone DELIVERS, and your response is to DOWNPLAY those features?

I just wanna make sure I read that right.

4Sh0w1099d ago (Edited 1099d ago )

-Yeah Spotie but I think Septic and the rest of the world of reasonable people were expecting him to come up with some worthy gameplay editions that ANYONE could use without needing to go out and buy/do extra stuff like:

"MoTeC’s "i2 Pro" data analysis software. By exporting replays to a USB memory stick"

-huh???...or

"A GPS data logger only supported by special editions of Scion FRS in Japan"

-lol, are you serious???

-I mean lets be honest here both racers are good, SOME GT fans knock Forza for every little thing, as I'm sure SOME Forza fans knock GT but I think any normal racing fan would say Forza5 major flaw was lack of content at launch while the same non-biased racing fan would say GT5 suffered from some serious quality flaws not typical of PD and both GT in general has been stagnate in regards to improvements, compared to Turn10. I started on GT but I've preferred Forza since FM3 so I'm biased but I think if anyone actually looks at whats on offer with Forza6 in regards to quality & content you have to acknowledge at least Forza6 an amazing game, personally I think its by far the best racing game I ever played.

muzikjunkie801098d ago (Edited 1098d ago )

FlexLuger

"Lets be clear..sony fans fired the first shot their. And sony followed up with its ridiculous "forza killer" ad campaign playing into said PS fans 'excitement'. Yet DC has been royally battered by FM5, Fh2 and now FM6 in the areas that count. Sure DC looks better but it means nothing if its the inferior game, overall."

i totally agree with you there sony fans criticized forza fotr not having proper damage etc but yet praise driveclub lol a racing game that has no physical damage and very limited cosmetic damage.

im going to be honest here, i was disapointed in driveclub after hearing all the fanboys praise its visuals etc, its nothing great just another generic racer aimed at casual racing fans, it looks good but honestly forza horizon 2 looks prettier, the cars look more realistic and ontop have better cosmetic and physical damage as well as its open world with dynamic weather/lighting. driveclub all cars almost handle the same, the engine sounds sound a bit flat, there are limited visual and mechanical upgrades etc and the AI is pretty basic to say the least... none the less its a good game and i enjoy it but its not as amazing as the ps fans make it out to be.

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Septic1099d ago

Spotie those features... That nobody barely uses. Yes they are ultimately pointless. Have you used them? I genuinely thought someone could come up with something better.

yewles11099d ago

ROFL!!!

"But nobody uses them" *check*

"What does this do for gameplay" *check*

Come on, that's only two of the five biggest excuses so far, you got THREE MORE to go. XD

Septic1099d ago

Mate who does?? It's not even a proper gameplay feature! You wnt me to map my own track in real life? Wtf man. Give me some GAMEPLAY features ffs lol

Spotie1099d ago

I sure as hell would have, had my system not been stolen. There are plenty of roads around here I'd love to try to take on in a sports car I damn sure can't afford.

How the hell can you say "nobody uses" this feature when you know almost nothing about the game? Did you even know about these features before somebody told you? And yet you're gonna say nobody uses them? What do you even know about the GT community?

Not a proper feature? It's one that lets you drive the roads you know. Sorry, but it would be HUGE to take my favorite 430 Scuderia around the curves near my house without getting arrested or killing anybody.

If you're SERIOUSLY saying that's not an awesome feature- if you're disregarding it because fifty billion people don't use it- there's something wrong with you. If you seriously think there aren't people- serious racers and fans alike- aren't using these features because you're ignorant of their use, you're worse off than I thought.

Septic1099d ago

Omg.

Just give me two gameplay features man. As in, no gimmicks. Come on! As in, i put the cd in and play the game. Give me a gameplay feature.

I did not expect you guys to take it on this random pointless tangent.

Btw I knew of this feature because I thought it was cool when it wad announced but hardly anyone will use it.

Seriously lets dial it back...before the interest in this topic expires.... Look at the features I listed for Forza. Youre talking GPS mappers and stuff? CORE things that materially affect gameplay.

Godmars2901099d ago (Edited 1099d ago )

How about getting back to what makes the Forza series so "critically acclaimed" over GT to the point Sony fanboys need to admit such? Nevermind they review similarly or that Turn 10 started this stupid rivalry.

They also stopped it if I understand correctly. Given up on being as realistically accurate as PT has shriven to be to the point they bothered with those apps, while Turn 10 is just now adding weather.

yewles11099d ago

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

You were just given exactly that, and you're bent out of of shape trying to downplay these ACTUAL GAMEPLAY FEATURES OF A SIM RACER as arbitrary, when they're actually innovative.

MORE innovative than, say "3D puddles" (opinion), BUT... we're not going there, this about the reactions to a question that was INDEED answered...

BLUNTLY!!!

Septic1099d ago

Lol wtf.man. 3d puddles are in the game. That's weather implementation in the game that materially affects gameplay. Youre talking about an app on your phone lmao!

http://replygif.net/i/615.g...

I should be the one laughing! I asked you two features of GT after Godmars violin playing sobfest and you mention GPS.logging and....

O_O

You couldn't make this up...

yewles11099d ago

APP ON YOUR PHONE???

*leaves PS3 to laugh outside, freaking neighbors out*

You can't use the the Data Logger on your phone, you're confusing it with the Course Maker--which will require a phone to scan out the track you lay out where ever you go, so that you upload and modify afterwards.--just because it has the term "GPS" on it. That's pretty telling of this whole situation at hand. I'm done.

Godmars2901099d ago

So you nitpick "victory" from an answer that didn't met some kind of exact conditions while giving up on the main argument that Forza has nothing on GT?

Your debate skills truly astound...

4Sh0w1099d ago (Edited 1099d ago )

"So you nitpick "victory" from an answer that didn't met some kind of exact conditions"

NO, what Septic is saying makes sense, we are talking about giving examples of gameplay features that affect the game, not apps that very few would bother to use, I mean he gives an example of 3d puddles which are a new edition that actually contribute to less control(skidding/hydroplaning) of your vehicle if you run straight through them at 50-60mph like in real life=

HOW is that being nitpicky?

-That's like someone asking me what has Halo5 done to improve and I comeback with the Halo Waypoint app, or the Hunt the Truth episodes well that's great and all, it's something no other shooter does but it's not something that really improves the game itself for ALL users. I mean its common sense, we are talking about putting in the game disc or downloading the game and being able to play the game with quality features that surpass past games.

Godmars2901099d ago

@4Sh0w:
When Septic's main point is that Forza has outshown GT yet can't come up with actual reasons, since sales and content don't seem to count, the reviews between the two series bare little to no differences, and he then derails the discussion by looking for minor features from GT only dismissing any response - that is just derailing things.

The only thing he's really doing is declaring that no one can bring any valid points against his argument while providing no argument. That its not enough that Forza 6 is a good game, but that its better than the whole of the GT franchise. That Sony fanboys are crying over what is basically his hypocritical biased opinion.

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freshslicepizza1099d ago (Edited 1099d ago )

@Godmars290,
"Again, you want to say and insist that Forza repeatedly reviews higher or overall, but overall the review scores between the two games is negatable."

why, because you say so? lol. i think i would give reviewers the benefit of the doubt, not someone who has a very hard time ever praising anything in relation to the xbox brand.

forza - - 92
forza 2 - 90
forza 3 - 92
forza 4 - 91
forza 5 - 79
forza 6 - 88

gran turismo - - 96
gran turismo 2 - 93
gran turismo 3 - 95
gran turismo 4 - 89
gran turismo 5 - 84
gran turismo 6 - 81

we are seeing a downward spike for gran turismo. that is why gt7 will have a lot of pressure on it to deliver. we all know it will sell a lot regardless but reviewers will not be lenient if they continue to stagnate the franchise.

Godmars2901099d ago (Edited 1099d ago )

Forza 6 came out, what, three days ago? You see equal numbers in series and somehow a game that came out 2-3 years ago on the PS3 is exactly the same as one released a few days ago on the X1? And claiming a downward spike besides.

here let me help you:

forza - - 92 (2005-Xbox 360)
forza 2 - 90 (2007-Xbox 360)
forza 3 - 92 (2009-Xbox 360)
forza 4 - 91 (2011-Xbox 360)
forza 5 - 79 (2013-Xbox One)
forza 6 - 88 (2015-Xbox One)

gran turismo - - 96 (1997-PS1)
gran turismo 2 - 93 (1999-PS1)
gran turismo 3 - 95 (2001-PS2)
gran turismo 4 - 89 (2005-PS2)
gran turismo 5 - 84 (2010-PS3)
gran turismo 6 - 81 (2013-PS3)
gran turismo 7 - NA (TBA-PS4)

Really, given that GT is twice as old as Forza, has more entries in its franchise, there's no point in a d*ick measuring contest. Why I said, in the full statement you took a quote from, there was no point in lists like this. That I've been saying there's no point in arguments like this since both series are good and on their own systems - but wait, I can't say anything good about an Xbox game. I'm that biased.

Unlike you who takes under ten points differences in hundred point scores, can't tell time, and declare a "downward spike" that - somehow - will result in Xbox game systems being bought because there is just that much difference between brand-only race games. No other racing games are available on both consoles.

FFS...

freshslicepizza1099d ago (Edited 1099d ago )

@Godmars290,
"Forza 6 came out, what, three days ago? You see equal numbers in series and somehow a game that came out 2-3 years ago on the PS3 is exactly the same as one released a few days ago on the X1? And claiming a downward spike besides."

i didn't realize a metacritic score of 81 for gt6 is the same score as forze 6 which sits at 88. and yes it is a downward spike for gran turismo since gt3. aside from forza 5 the series has remained very high in critical standards and they are able to do it with a tighter schedule.

you seem unwilling, almost to the point of being afraid, to admit forza no longer is a shadow of gran turimso.

Godmars2901099d ago (Edited 1099d ago )

The only reason Forza is in GT's shadow is because MS if not turn 10 put it there. Why you bought into it, continue to perpetrate it, bores far more than it could ever astound.

freshslicepizza1098d ago

nobody puts themselves into that predicament, so to suggest microsoft put themselves there makes no sense. halo is not in the shadows of call of duty because call of duty has been out longer or may sell better. gran tursimo did not invent racing games but they propelled themselves into an elite team. but over the years from a combination of being complacent and letting the franchise stagnate it allowed the turn 10 team to match and in certain areas exceed the benchmarks polyphony were able to define years ago. that's called coming out of the shadows or in this case escaping the shadows because gran turismo is no longer the top dog when it comes to racing games.

yet by your own logic sony put themselves in the shadows of nintendo.

Godmars2901098d ago (Edited 1098d ago )

Sony did put themselves in Nintendo shadow. Dethroned them with the PS1 and expanded gaming in the process.

Just like Sony put Kill Zone in the Shadow of Halo. Literally called it the freaking "Halo killer". Stigmatized it as a result and tried to live it down.

So yeah. Given that almost every Forza title has been proclaimed to be the premiere racing sim, The new racing king, by the Xbox camp if not Turn 10 - some the latter has backed down from to a degree at least while the former have only become more fanatical - that's people wanting and expecting the series to have the level of success and recognition of GT. Vehemently dismissing things like sale numbers while making way too much of differences in review scores. Holding up last gen games to current console standards while praising a feature like weather. At the same time willfully ignoring that such was done, with day/night transitions, in the last gen title.

FFS, you only have to read the second sentence of the article we're in to get the auther's intention that the Forza/GT rivalry is something that Turn 10 fostered. By the title its something they finally won based solely on opinion, since despite reviews, which could be called good but not great, no one is talking about sales.

freshslicepizza1098d ago

@Godmars290,

first off, dan greenawalt from forza fully admitted to growing up with gran turismo. loved it and it sparked a fire to make his own games. after all gt was the pinnacle racer. but at the same time he says the series hasn't done much for him in recent history. and it is reviewers and critics who have repeatedly suggested forza has beaten gran turismo at times, not xbox fans so get that misconception out of here. that's why you try so hard to dismiss review scores and both forza and gran turimso have been on older hardware so enough of the backpeddling.

"Sony did put themselves in Nintendo shadow. Dethroned them with the PS1 and expanded gaming in the process."

only to be dethroned by the wii. my how sony must hate having put themselves back in the shadows of nintendo.

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StrayaKNT1099d ago (Edited 1099d ago )

That happened with Forza 4, it's just that now people realise just how good and how far beyond any gt game Forza horizon 2 and Forza 6 really are.

The whole racing genre is in Forzas shadow now and I'm so happy to be apart of the amazing community. Forza 6 is a racing fans dream.

kraenk121099d ago

The Forza games definitely are the better racing games. GT6 though is still the better simulation.

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Justiceleague1096d ago

Forza is only getting a 87 review score on metacritic.com. Will the Xbox one ever get a game with an overall review score over 90%

bobsmith1099d ago (Edited 1099d ago )

thanks for the laugh forza wishes it could be gt and wants gt to notice them lol like by getting kaz's favorite car on their cover. or how gt does a tribute to senna so they make a track in brazil

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Lev19031099d ago

Some race games are called Forza killer and not GT killer;)
I wonder why.

Cupid_Viper_31099d ago (Edited 1099d ago )

Meh...your question is easily answered. No sane person is going to hope to make a racing game that can sell close to 10 million units per game. So if you've been hearing "Forza killer" then it is clearly because it is the easier target to beat by far.

Shifting focus back to the article.... And since we're on the topic of "shifting" let's then talk about there shifting goalposts here. People always used metacritic to somehow show that GT was a series in decline thus making Forza the better game.... Except that Forza 5 & 6 are the lowest rated games in the series with a 79/100 & 88/100 respectively. Wouldn't that same argument apply here?

Secondly, to this day I can name features that are in GT1 (yes the first GT) that are still not in this Forza game, Rally racing for example. People have been racing at night and in the rain since the very First Gran Turismo, which something that Forza is only now implementing. It's almost like none of GT's features matter until it is also in Forza, and suddenly it's the best thing ever...

Rally/Snow racing, dynamic Day/Night/Weather cycle which can drastically alter a race are way more important than rims and paint Jobs.

Not to mention that the next iteration of GT7 is supposed to support PlayStation VR, which is a whole different level than anything that the XBox One can offer.

Surely it's a nice touch to have drivatars and 3D puddles for the few tracks you can race with rain on, and other neat features. But it seems like Forza and its fans almost desperately NEED Gran Turismo in order to feel some sort of revelancy.

The only reason Forza is in GT's shadow is because it is trying so hard to steal GT's spotlight... And we all know how big of a shadow GT casts.

Lev19031099d ago

@Cupid_Viper_3 woow. What a ton of nonsense. First of all if sales define how great a games is then angry birds/cod, etc are the best games out there. And if you think that the name forza killer is just because forza is a easier target than you really dont know what you are talking. If you say that your game is the best then you will compare it to the best in the industry and not the easiest to beat.

Grand tursimo 6 sold like 2.37 million copies, so what are we talking about??

And nobody is talkin about old GT games(which were great), gt 5 and 6 were a big let down for the community itself. IF GT5 sold 10 million and were the best racing game ever then tell me why only 2 million bought the gt6?

Almost every critic that played GT and Forza give Forza. Stating the metacritic numbers last gen and now:

Forza 3: 92
Forza 4: 91
Forza 5: 79
Forza 6: 88(atm)
Horizon 2: 86

GT 5: 84
Gt 6: 81

Gran turismo had sales but now it doesnt anymore. GT lost his touch and thats a fact. Forza its in his own league and thats why it FORZA KILLER and not GT KILLER.

Sunny_D1099d ago

So, you're just going to ignore the fact that GT6 came out at the end of 2013 when the new next gen consoles were now the center of attention not to mention there was barely any real advertisement for it? If you think nearly 3 million copies is bad, then how do you feel about Forza that can barely sell 5 million copies (without a bundle) to a series that averages 10 million on its own? Forza gets more attention on the internet by commenters than actual people who play it.

Cupid_Viper_31099d ago

Lol, once again I'll answer your very easy question. Gran Turismo 6 was released on December 5, 2013, the PS4 (fastest selling console of all time) came out 3 weeks before that on November 15, 2013. Take some time, sit down and think for like 1 minute.

If your logic is true then it cannot only apply to Gran Turismo, it has to also apply to Forza and the Forza horizon, and especially Halo. All are franchises that has gone down considerably down in sales and on a current Gen console too. Forza 5 and FH2 are the worst selling games in their respective genre and sold way worse than their predecessor. And Halo MCC sold like 2.3 million, so thanks to your logic XBox can now stop going around saying that Sony should be worried about the XBox One's holiday line up because those games used to have sales, but that's no longer the case.

Or will you admit that you're the one spouting nonsense?

Secondly, you're framing your argument to make Forza look good. But chronologically, here's what critics have said:

2010 GT5 releases with 84/100
2011 Forza 4 releases 91/100
2013 GT6 releases with 81/100
2013 Forza 5 releases with 79/100
2015 Forza 6 releases with 88/100
20?? GT7 will release with ??/100

You guys can manipulate data all you want to, but I can also say that critics agreed that both GT5 and GT6 are better than Forza 5. The funny thing is that even before Forza 6 came out 2 days ago, we kept hearing of how Forza is the king blah blah, yet the last 2 GT games were better than it according to metacritic and you guys never conceded that.

Like I said, you guys move the goal posts whenever it suits you, which makes it hard to have a real discussion. For instance, you guys always claim that it's Gameplay > graphics, yet the biggest knock against GT5 is that it has non-premium cars that looks ugly compared to the premium ones. So all of a sudden 800 cars suddenly don't matter and the whole "Gameplay > graphics" no longer apply. Hell you have folks on this very thread saying that theyd take less cara for better graphics...

Also, if Gameplay is king.. Wouldn't Rally/snow and dynamic weather/Day/Night cycles add that much more to the Gameplay? We all know that if Forza did any of that it would be the talk of the town, so it gets downplayed until Forza 8 can implement it.

So this is not a real discussion because nothing matters until your favorite game(s) is doing it as well. So I guess you win?

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TXIDarkAvenger1099d ago

Uh isn't Kaz's favourite car the Nissan GT-R? Last time I checked, Forza 6's cover has the Ford GT.

Corristo1099d ago

GT 7 is coming next year or the year after - and then horefully the shadow is there again :)

Ginpachi-sama1099d ago

This is hilarious they are happy about a game beating another game from 2013 that was released on a weaker console congrats to forza tho but these guys are just pathetic

FlexLuger1099d ago

"This is hilarious they are happy about a game beating another game from 2013"

actually no. Nice try though. FM3 and FM4 was better than GT5 and 6. Go check the reviews. GT is nice but its old news.

Sunny_D1099d ago

I'd like how everyone is using Metacritic as their go to argument, but wouldn't care about metacritic when another game is being bombarded with bad reviews.

Like the article said, the release of GT does feel like an event. More people talk about Forza on the internet than actually play it. Sales would prove it. GT6 may have sold low (It sold the average for a Forza game), but most people can already see why it did in the first place.

RiseofScorpio1099d ago (Edited 1099d ago )

The shadow of PS2 era car models and vacuum cleaner sounds? But they seriously need to overhaul everything for GT7, especially damage modelling and the sound engine.

Indigon1099d ago

Still, other things were already better in GT6 on older hardware like the lighting engine. Forza 6 STILL looks way too flat and boring almost bordering on cartoony at times. Also there are still a lot of jaggies.

I agree that sound is a big issue in GT7 but Kaz has stated at the time that they would work on that. Apparently they hired an ex-Forza worker for the sounds so I'm not worried about that.

NeoGamer2321099d ago

Yep, and Killzone 2 was scheduled for 2006 release, Last Guardian for 2010 release, Persona 5 this year release, Drive Club 2013 release, etc...

Its funny how when XB gets more AAA exclusive releases than PS Sony and Sony fans uses the "coming soon" marketing tactic.

GT should be better than Forza, it is coming out a year later. But, this time GT features should be compared to Forza. Things like drivatars, water pooling on the track, race modes, online racing, etc. But, unfortunately all reviewers will look at is the visual aspects and because it will probably a PSVR title, reviews will probably gush over that.