Ubisoft has just announced that Rainbow Six: Siege will ship with 11 multiplayer maps, that will be playable both at day and night. Not only that, but the French company revealed that all post-launch maps will be made available to everyone for free.
That's that what i like to hear. Can't wait for the beta.
more devs should be doing this. it creates a very good relationship with the customer who will stick around instead of trading their games in all the time.
So what the hell are they including in the season pass?
Probably similar to what Evolve offered but hopefully not to its insane extent. Hundreds of dlc items on the 1st day gives us the impression that content was cut out which is why its a ghost town on PC (less than 1500/day) and probably consoles too. So expect more skins, weapons, gadgets, characters, accessories and more.
What a surprise
Awesome. I hope this type of thing becomes a trend...and by that I mean devs having mercy on our pockets.
Games are already very expensive to make. We are technically paying less per game. The reality is...if this actually becomes a trend, they will demand more for games in that respect, ie $80 per game or something (mind you that is actually still cheaper then if they where to release those as DLC as I don't think all the DLC wraps up to be $20) So its $80 with free maps (mind you we will likely still see DLC lol) or $60 for 10 maps or so, (DLC for those that want the extra maps) Both have advantages too.
".if this actually becomes a trend, they will demand more for games in that respect, ie $80 per game or something" Or they can just stop making DLC, I don't see how giving away free DLC would up the price of games. Especially when DLC is optional and not even a guarantee to recover loss of profits. And more time and money is spent making added content, maps and other features I seriously doubt developing no DLC would create the price of games going up.
http://www.gamesindustry.bi... and http://www.pcgamer.com/elec... sure... Did you think that they would work for free just because? Do you not get that those developers are paid by contract? EA has to pay them more clearly to do such content. http://arstechnica.com/gami... and http://www.ign.com/articles... Yet they would work more and get less money, and even LESS if they went this no DLC route. Very, very funny. I mean...you "doubt" it....but you also have very little to back up exactly why they would get even less potential profit for doing more work. DLC is the only reason why games are still this cheap, they have a way to make money still. That clearly is going to change if they go a "no dlc" route. That also means less money over all. Something has to give. " I don't see how" lol...yes....you..don't see how. (thats not really surprising giving have vague and baseless your post is, sounds like its merely a guess with no real research or source to back it up)
Yes, but you are only giving examples of DLC from big publishers like EA who have a huge library of extremely popular IP's that makes millions whenever they are released. They can afford to hire engineers and contractors and pump out DLC after DLC for profit. But how exactly does this prove that having no DLC would mean the cost of gaming would go up. None of your links even suggest that DLC is needed to keep games at a $60 dollar mark which you stated. Not all DLC helps to recoup development costs, especially for smaller developers. But for EA and Madden, of course it would, it's all just extra profit. "Did you think that they would work for free just because?" Where exactly did I even suggest they would work for free? "Yet they would work more and get less money, and even LESS if they went this no DLC route. Very, very funny." Wha?...you are making less and less sense the more you reply to me Edmix. Seriously though, think about it. You're a smaller company making a product with an allocated budget, paying engineers, artists, qa, marketing, etc. etc for a game, you put it out in the wild for sales and profit. Then you have your same team continue to make DLC for the game, that means spending extra money and extra time spent that is added cost to the overall development project. And you are telling me it's all to recoup costs of the original development? You also think that the reason some of these devs CAN give away free DLC (CD Project, Ubi) is because they have made a profit from sales already? You think EA would tank if they gave away free DLC for Madden or Activision gave away free maps for CoD? But yea, no DLC means all games will now be expensive and upward of $80 and up. But hey at least you added a bunch of links to almost make it look like you made some sense. Awesome job with that.
" But how exactly does this prove that having no DLC would mean the cost of gaming would go up" LOL! Sooooooo you do know that games cost MORE to make yet make LESS then they did years ago right? If DLC is countering this balance...then no DLC results in them clearly making less. The are right now on base games making less money factually then they did 10 years ago, while spending MORE MONEY to create games. "You also think that the reason some of these devs CAN give away free DLC (CD Project" LMFAO! http://www.polygon.com/2015... You sure bud? That small free DLC they are giving away is junk, we've been getting free DLC for years bud. How old are you? I mean...did you not read that they are also having paid expansions? Sooo why are those not free? Craziest thing.. turns out it takes time and money to craft games, go figure. Those links are telling you that games factually cost more to make, yet factually cost less for the consumer.. Its called inflation bud. For them to be able to make such a game, they need to either charge more, or make DLC to be able to make such projects. BF4's engine was paid for by the DLC of BF3...they made 100 million on its DLC, used that 100 million to make the new Frostbite engine used in BF4 and many other games. Sorry bud but its either $80 games or DLC.... I'm not even sure how you assumed they could even afford to make games for almost 10 years at the same price while also making more and more expensive games, engines etc. lol The cost to make a game 10 years ago and team sizes have went up drastically. While games stated at the $59.99 for almost a decade. https://en.wikipedia.org/wi... You barely even get near the 60 million range in the last 10 years on that list, a HUGE majority of that list is beyond 2005 ie when we started getting $60 games. "Where exactly did I even suggest they would work for free?" How do you explain EA spending MORE MONEY on a team to get LESS MONEY off a game? They are working on DLC...thus working more....EA is spending money on something they are not getting MORE MONEY in return for as the base game at $60 is already FACTUALLY LESS THEN. I mean...you do know that having this free DLC won't just equal more sales to counter DLC right? Games still are bought based on quality, its not as if a game with free DLC was going to sell 30 million more or something lol as if its not selling because it has DLC... But I guess these folk are lying. http://arstechnica.com/gami... and http://arstechnica.com/gami... But hey, what are facts.....=)
"Sooooooo you do know that games cost MORE to make yet make LESS then they did years ago right?" Soooooo you do know that games are being bought MORE than what they were years ago right? I mean we are talking about a Billion dollar + industry, way different market than the Atari days. Just exactly how old are you bud? "I mean...did you not read that they are also having paid expansions? Sooo why are those not free?" Zzzzzzz...*Yawn*...you are now arguing topics that I am not even caring about. FIRST of all no where in my original comment did I say Devs should give away ALL content for free. All I implied is that more devs should give out more free DLC as this article has stated. THAT"S ALL! Then here you come talking about the cost of games would sky rocket, developers working for free, inflation and all other types of nonsense complete shit. I care about my pockets and I like the fact that devs are giving away free DLC with their games when they can. Now do you really have a problem with this? Are you going to now start discussing the industrial age or oil prices effects on the US economy, how about China's money supply system in relation to the stick market? I'm sure you could work those in regards for me appreciating devs giving away maps or content for free. But I do fault myself for being sucked into this pointless conversation. My bad =) "I'm not even sure how you assumed they could even afford to make games for almost 10 years at the same price while..." LMAO, my gawd...you are making things up now. Definitely my que to leave you where you stand.
@G-red- "FIRST of all no where in my original comment did I say Devs should give away ALL content for free. All I implied is that more devs should give out more free DLC as this article has stated. THAT"S ALL!" Yet your stating they gave free dlc as if they can afford to. My point is that they can't, though they gave free dlc...they are charging for those explains, sorta my point. I agree with you, they should give more out and they actually do, EA, Rockstar, Ubisoft, Bethesda, 2K etc all give out free dlc many, many times, many times actually even more expansive then Witcher's 3's free dlc, I don't disagree that they can make more free options. "I care about my pockets and I like the fact that devs are giving away free DLC with their games when they can. Now do you really have a problem with this?" Me too, this is not about me personally, this is merely me stating how the industry currently is and logically how they can balance out those cost. Of course I want all things free LOL! But this isn't about what I want free, its about what they can and can't financially do based on how the industry currently is. ""I'm not even sure how you assumed they could even afford to make games for almost 10 years at the same price while..." LMAO, my gawd...you are making things up now" Not really, that is the assumption if you think they won't raise prices and would just do free DLC... That means some where you think DLC can be free and games can stay the same price. " You're a smaller company making a product with an allocated budget, paying engineers, artists, qa, marketing, etc. etc for a game, you put it out in the wild for sales and profit. Then you have your same team continue to make DLC for the game, that means spending extra money and extra time spent that is added cost to the overall development project. And you are telling me it's all to recoup costs of the original development?" That is what you stated... Now..when BF3's DLC earns them 100 million and BF4's new engine cost that...it very much means they can make such a thing based on the extra money from DLC. Understand that the over all development project costing more means they are making even less as they are still making the game for $60 for us to buy. Thats not me saying I personally want it, its merely me pointing out how that doesn't make sense in line of how much games factually cost with inflation and how they are now making less if they don't factor in DLC. At the end of the day, it is a fact that games cost more now then they did 10 years ago...it is a fact that games have been the same price.....for 10 years now. You easily can do that math. What I personally want to pay for is not a factor, of course we all want free junk lol, this isn't about that bud. This is about business. Can they factually make it with no dlc? I mean...they can't really do that now with AAA games, look at the cost, look at the price, it doesn't add up.
That's good news, but why did level designer Benoit Deschamps of Ubisoft Montreal say there was going to be 10 included in the game, as stated in reports earlier today? Who's telling the truth?
Yeah interesting, but I'm going to trust Benoit on this one for now until 11 is fully confirmed.
When I can play all multiplayer modes offline vs bots then I will be interested..
Why play with bots?
Because online multiplayer never works right. Some people don't have microphones, obnoxious 10 year olds, people blasting music, always someone playing lone wolf etc etc. In my opinion it would be so much better with AI bots that just play the game, none of that other crap. Besides that I am an old timer and I liked games like Battlefield 2 where you can just play by yourself with bots.
"Some people don't have microphones" Neither do bots.. "obnoxious 10 year olds, people blasting music" mute button, like bots. I think some people just get too stressed out playing online. Just play it like you are playing with bots or play with a friend in party chat. Bots gets old and predictable real fast. At least real players offer some sort of variety. That said, them including a bot mode cant hurt.
Ubi will have another way of milking it. There will be a flood of dlc exclusive to each individual map or something. Or ranking up will be slow as sh** as with tlou mp, for the upgrade cash.
Ubi can cure cancer and you'll hate on them
True. It's been the story for a while now at N4G. Band wagoners. Even when they haven't played recent UBISOFT games they continue to hate just to fit in lol. Yes, AC Unity & watch dogs was a huge disappointment. However, it doesn't give them the right to hate on their every future product without playing it. RB6 so far is a fantastic MP game. I love the fact that they are doing 2 beta's to really solve as many bugs as they can before release. Also, Far Cry 3 wasn't a bugged mess. So theres something.
dam cod how you gona keep charging 50 for season pass of maps when games like this and halo 5 doing all maps free. hopefully all gears 4 maps free :D
So it's fine when rainbow six does it but Square Enix is funding development by releasing an "unfinished" Hitman?
You are comparing and apples and oranges.
Not really, they both will have close to the same amount of maps and will release more freely to the community after the game is released, what's the difference?
To you reply to shloobmm3, Hitman is a game that's being released in chapters, it's the base game but in pieces. Ubisoft is going to be releasing the base game plus free maps. The base game is releasing with 11 maps which is a normal amount for an fps. They're releasing more for free.
...they are actually both doing that. They've never stated Hitman is some half made game. Hitman has around the same amount of missions as previous hitman games. I mean....where did you hear the whole thing was being released in "pieces"? Even the team has stated its not episodic, merely that they are adding certain missions, areas etc based on user feed back and live events. ie they can't make the very content you'll get in Hitman because its based on YOUR feedback. Not having that wasn't just going to make it larger or more missions etc. Hitman doesn't have a history of having THAT many missions.
Would be cool if they had a purchasing system like TF2. Unlock crates, but a key and unlock it for hats or other clothing materials or camo's. With CS:GO, weapon skins and things of this nature. I think more games should go this route, especially shooter genre's. Characters from GRAW in Siege would be really cool, or a helmet from GRAW. :)
I have never expected to live up to the moment where you could say Ubisoft and free in same article .
nice another game with all maps FREE!!! everbody needs to go back to this!
Free DLC! Can't wait for the game!
Free maps is such a winning formula. Really hope this continues through out this gen, i read other company's are starting to do it already. I think The Last of Us was one of the first ones to do this.
Did anyone else get a message from Sony on their PS4 about their preorder being cancelled? I did. It said click this link to re-preorder it, but my internet was acting wonky after a storm so it wasn't loading well, and I hit X button, but it never took me anywhere. I didn't see any money refunded to my wallet, and it still says I have it for preorder. It's just weird. Anyone else get a pre-order cancellation?
awesome. This is what I was hoping for. Not that it matters. I need this game in my veins.
The last two Rainbow Six games were packed with content also. This is the Ubisoft that I remember!
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