"Gameranx has compiled a list of 25 of the best RPGs of all time, for every platform."
A RPG list without The Legend of Dragoon is not a legit RPG list. On a serious note this list is trash.
Bloodbourne, Witcher 3, and Skyrim
They consider too many games RPGs. I don't think action RPGs, or first/third person shooter RPGs should be considered RPGs just because they have some leveling and stat building. I mean hell Mad Max has that too. I don't even think Zelda games should be considered RPGs.
zelda isn't considered an rpg by anyone, its action adventure. Mass Effect ,however, absolutely is an rpg. Simply because its fighting system is a real time action shooter doesn't mean its not.
I've seen Zelda referred as an action RPG. I think only the turn based or Persona type games should be considered RPG. If a game is over 75% action/1st or 3rd person shooting, then its just an action or shooter with some RPG elements.
Zelda has always been considered an RPG, at least for as long as I've known. Action RPG, with a full inventory system, quests, shopkeeper that buys and sells items/outfits/etc, and a large expansive world with which to wonder. Obviously, nowadays, even your most basic corridor shooter has these elements, so it's hard to distill one genre from another.
Zelda II is an Action RPG. All other games in the series are fantasy adventure. Role Playing Games come originally from board games. Turn-Based action based on Skill Points and Luck through an algorithm centric core gameplay. As we moved forward in time, RPG changed to include active time battles and eventually freedom of movement during combat. The defining core of an RPG is that gameplay relies on developing a character skills and stats through a leveling system tied to battling enemies on a mathematical playing field. Some games have elements of RPGs but still do not fit in the genre. God of War and GTA aare examples of using skill points to increase the characters abilities but those games are still an action titles. Western RPGs have redefined a type of role playing game with the addition of massive open worlds, side quests over grinding, and "karma or choice based" branches via action, decision, or dialog options. Also WRPGs have focused on mutliplayer and looting. One thing that has changed is the combat. A players skill weighs the same as their stats in a WRPG. The ability to make head shots and counter attack, have overtaken grinding for higher level magic. Looks at SKYRIM for example. Many players abandoned mage paths and use ranged archery. A level 1 player in most WRPGs would dare takenon a level 5 enemy unlike a turn based game where those skill statistics are needed because there is no action based defense. Not in everything...Mario RPG games did wonders adding unique combat. But this isna general overfew of opinion.
"Role Playing Games come originally from board games. Turn-Based action based on Skill Points and Luck through an algorithm centric core gameplay. As we moved forward in time, RPG changed to include active time battles and eventually freedom of movement during combat." Not true. Action RPGs have existed since the 1970's. I don't know why so many people believe they're new...
@Raven in shooter games, like ME the role playing elements still define the gameplay of the game, hence it's called an RPG. Shooting games where they are a minor aspect are called shooters. @Kalkano, yes, the first action games have existed decades before, however the lack of good technology was apparent. That's why MGS, which was planed to be an action game, became a stealth game - because the technology back then didn't allow an action game of that scope. Take the battle system of turn based games now and then - just the battle system, not the graphics and other aspects, there's not much difference, compare the battle gameplay of action games now and then, the difference is apparent.
@Adrian: And why is that? Because there are companies that are TRYING with ARPGs. In fact, I look at one of the last AAA TBRPGs we got (Last Remnant), and the difference is apparent. Put your bias away.
@kalkano yes, and how popular was The Last remnant, did its sales justify the AAA budget? Put your bias away.
@Adrian: Pointing to sales of a JRPG on XBOX 360? Not even I bought it, and you know how I love turn-based. Put your bias away.
@kalkano available for PC as well.
Eventually. And, there was not a word uttered about it. I just happened to stumble on it on Amazon for $5, years after it released.
They left Bloodborne out.. Guess they didn't played it. It mised a lot of RPG elements but it was great.
Well they did say Dark Souls games. Bloodborne is definitely in that category but better
Oh, sorry! Nice.
The fact that Kingdom Hearts isn't on this list is a joke. It's one of the best rpg's with an amazing battle system, huge fanbase, and great reception. Not to mention how well the original game has aged, I could go back and play it and it wouldn't feel outdated.
It was the first game on the list bud :p
Lol wtf list did I click. I looked at it twice too.
Quite frankly, this is a shit list.
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Why? Because it's primarily real RPGs, with only a couple of JRPGS and action RPGs?
"real rpgs"? Like Mass Effect 2 correct? Including a crappy isometric rpg like Pillars of Eternity when there are so many more that could be here. Jade Empire being this high in a top 25 rpg list. The fact that this game completely misses so many great rpg's is astounding in itself. Skyrim, the most streamlined you can get in an rpg makes the list of the greatest rpg while not being the best rpg in the TES series. This list has individual games over whole series when it doesn't even make sense. It even has Witcher 3 and Dragon Age Inquisition. Way to be inclusive to the newest AAA rpg's that you could find. Now, know why I said the list is shit.
@sullynathan "Skyrim, the most streamlined you can get in an rpg" LOLWUT? You call out Skyrim for being streamlined but are OK with the lead-you-by-the-nose, glorified eye-candy video slot machines that define JRPGs? Man, c'mon... they aren't even RPGs.
@frosty I've only played 2 or 3 JRPG's and I've never beat any JRPG. It's commonly known that JRPG's are more linear than Western RPG's.
IMO this list is crap, but hey its an opinion that just so happens to not agree with me at all. some of my top favs. I have tons more here's but a sample suikoden 2 ps1 xenogears ps1 should be on list final fantasy 3 snes should be on list chrono trigger snes demon souls or souls series ps3 Zelda snes soulblade snes breath of fire 2 snes lufia snes dragon quest 7 ps2 secret of mana snes should be on list
Inconsistent list. Its a bit faulty to include an entire series of games and then at the same time single out individual games from a series. Also no mention of any SRPGs? Ogre Battle, Fire Emblem, Tactics etc..
I'd add Disgaea, Vagrant story and Oblivion (loved that game). Bloodborne as well, even if it is technically a Souls game. @kalebninja, try page 2, hang on...yup definitely there. Obv' didn't read the article lol.
I always check these lists just to see if they have panzer dragoon saga, and yet again it disappoints...
Lots of good games, lots missing (from my list at least). Still, ton of good memories in this list!
My list, so everyone can disagree with me as well. ;) 25 Golden Sun: Dark Dawn 24 Final Fantasy 12 23 Arc the Lad: Twilight of the Spirits 22 Vandal Hearts 2 21 Baten Kaitos 20 Final Fantasy 4 19 Shining Force 1 18 Elder Scrolls Online 17 Grandia 2 16 Shining Force 2 15 Chrono Trigger 14 Suikoden 2 13 Chrono Cross 12 The Last Remnant 11 Skies of Arcadia 10 World of Warcraft 9 Final Fantasy 9 8 Suikoden 3 7 Final Fantasy 8 6 Final Fantasy 6 5 The Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion 4 Final Fantasy 10 3 The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim 2 Final Fantasy 7 1 Shining Force 3
terrible. I don't even have to read the article. Just the tags alone tell me it a terrible list.
My list is : 1 Golden Sun: Dark Dawn 2 Baten Kaitos 1&2 3 Grandia 2 4 The Last Remnant 5 Skies of Arcadia 6 shadow heart 2&3 7 Final Fantasy 10 8 blue dragon 9 lost odyssey 10 magna carta 11 tales of symphonia 12 tales of vesperia 13 Final Fantasy 7 14 Final Fantasy 8 15 Chrono Trigger 16 disgaea 1,2,3,4 17 Arc Rise Fantasia 18 persona 4 19 digital devil saga 1&2 20 dark cloud 1&2 21 kingdom hearts 2 22 paper mario 23 lost odyssey 2 (just kidding) and i hope to see this game come to life agian
JRPG much? I prefer western.
Too many WRPG's are the same to me. The majority are set in the dark ages. Plus they are ugly to look at, they are too dark. It's just grey and black everywhere.
That's fine, but to add a slew of western style games from the last few years and leave out classics because they're Japanese is just as bizarre.
Just an opinion piece, everyone has their own. When someone blankets a group of games like saying Might & Magic Series, I just can't take it seriously.
Though I disagree with including games like Bloodborne and Dark Souls (and some others) on the list, overall this is really good. The author made sure to look at more than just recent games.
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