How does Nolan North, the new voice of Destiny's Ghost, compare to the original performance from Peter Dinklage? Decide for yourself with this comparison video.
It's not his fault, Ghost is a bad character. "So tell me about the part I'm playing. What's my inspiration, what's my background, my emotional state?" "Just read the lines, and we'll make it sound a bit roboty"
Oh for sure. That's referenced in the article. It definitely seems more of an issue with the poor script than it does Dinklage or North's performances.
While I definitely blame the script, I think listening to North's portrayal has made me appreciate Dinklage a lot more. North just sounds to be trying too hard to express emotion that he sounds like he's reading a book to children and completely lacks the subtle nuances in delivery that gave Dinklebot character.
Dlinkage is way better imo.
They should just let us decide which voice to use at least till The Taken King content, dual voices and then some in game story about how the bot voice modulator got broken or something like that for the new voice (if you decide to use Dinklebot until that point).
I don't know why people had a problem with Dinklage, he was playing a AI ghost of a dead person, it made sense to be monotone. I think Nolan bot needs to be in a Star Wars game to be honest... Personally I've enjoyed Destiny for its gameplay dont really care for Story in Shooters thats why i dont play CoD or Battlefield singleplayer modes. I save that for RPGs.
The original voice is WAY better. This is really disappointing they went in a different direction. The original Queen was much better as well. They need to work on the story and script and leave the voice acting alone.
"Dlinkage is way better imo." Weird. They sound pretty much the same to me, quality wise. Any no name voice actor could have done this part just as well imo.
Although this might not be entirely Nolan Nolan's fault, I think he is an overrated VA. He only became big due to the success of Uncharted and having been given Nathan Drake as a character. His performance as the Penguin was bad in the Arkham games and the other roles are barely memorable.
He's great in Spec-Ops: The Line... yeah, he's over-used (so is Troy Baker) but that's the various Developers' fault - not his.
Overrated?....bad? ... Get out
Pippin; Troy baker over used? Hell no, not in a thousand years.
I prefer the first guy, Nolan sounds a little "gay"?
What kind of dumb comment is this?
Let's stop beating around the bush and being all pc. You all know what he means when he said sounds gay. He's talking about the gay lisp. Don't act like you never heard it.
It's too bad Dinklage got the response he did for this part. The script wasn't well written at all and TBH I never really felt that his voice acting was so bad. He had a sort of dry sense of humor and his voice over had some subtle little details without sounding over-done or "too human-like". I think Dinklage maybe could have had a bit more excitement in his voice, but I think North just sounds like he is narrating a children's cartoon.
It's like Bungie is aiming for another 343 Guilty Spark (relevant video: https://youtu.be/D2ePYCcnvq... ) and just aren't getting there... At least before the update I could pretend that Tyrion Lannister was walking me through the void of the Cosmodrome. Now? It sounds like a knockoff Tim Dadabo who's doing a worse job of reading off the same terrible script.
I don't think Guilty Spark was significantly better really. I seem to recall he quickly got annoying, he was just less constant than Ghost. Guilty Spark had a bigger significance to the story, but less time in the spotlight. If Guilty Spark was used in place of Cortana as the companion that was always by the Chief's side it would have been grating. Unfortunately that's pretty much the role of Destiny's Ghost.
what's even more funny is probably the amount of money they spent on Nolan North... you know just one of the most well-known voice actors out there... Dinklage probably got pennies compared to the $$$ that Nolan North is getting from this gig. they could have used that money to actually do stuff that matters.. like server upgrades and what not... One little voice for a robot that scans things should definitely not be a top priority in the eyes of the Destiny developers.
It's the other way around. Dinklage guaranteed is paid more because of GOT. The idea was to pull people in because they know who dinklage is. Outside of gaming not many people know who Nolan North is.
regardless of that.... they could have put the money to a much better use.. let's pay one guy to read these lines... and then under a year later let's pay another guy to read the same exact lines and a few extra ones for the new stuff coming out. it's poor money management on a part of the game that isn't even that crucial to the overall scheme of what Destiny is. they could have pulled a kid off the street and got the same type of results for damn near nothing.
* It's 8th grade level writing at best.
so bungie cant win no matter what some gamers will just complain
Just go listen to North's interview about it.
Its not the voices Activision. People lose interest because of the content is so repetitive and other reasons. Gunplay is pretty decent all around. Everything else needs a little bit more of something.
Oh My god that was bad, i personally think they should have just left dinklebot the way it was come up with a story ( buhahahaha i know) of how that ghost got destroyed and you get a new ghost with nolan norths voice, because the new VO is definitely worse PS: i wonder what their excuse would be in a year or two should the majority hate nolannorth vo even more
Leave it to new age bungie to make another poor decision. I thought Dinklebot was great and people just expected some emmy performance out of a floating cube. Now, Nolan makes Ghost sound like a nerd bomber who has never seen a female naked. Yeah, I want to take that virgin across space to save the universe.
They are both bad, but seriously wt# is this! really bad writing, ghost may be the worst video game character i ever encounter.
@Grap Yeah, they script was terrible for the entire game and the story has absolutely no substance, but if I have to compare both actors, Dinklbot came across more likable to me. I just don't like this nerdbot NOlan voice. It sounds so childish to me.
nolan doing it is horrible and i know it might sound petty but im not sure i could put up with it,just sounds crap. it already has a really bad script and now this ,jeeez/.
It's hard to voice something with no personality. I Blame the writers, the script is pretty bad. How much can you polish a turd?!
"You can polish a turd, but it's still a turd"
Don't forget the sprinkles :)
Wow I thought I might be the only one that cringed when I heard north speak for ghost. All the memorable moments from dinklage ghost are gone. Dinklage brought at least some personality to ghost made the little bot cute and funny to listen to. North is just annoying, cold, and I hate when he speaks now. Going to miss dinklebot greatly.
I totally disagree. I like the new ghost a heck of a lot more, I think it sounds like Guilty Spark from the Halo series. It's much more believable for me than a slightly modified Tyrion Lannister. The script is the script. I don't think anyone expected Bungie to totally overhaul that.
I'm sure I'm not the only fan that would have preferred to put a clip or two into Guilty Spark just so it would stfu. I'm not sure comparing Ghost to GS is a compliment.
"A" clip? As in, just one? ...I'll keep it short by saying this: think a little bigger...
Honestly I wasn't referring to Guilty Spark's character as a positive necessarily. Just because a character is annoying doesn't mean the voice acting is terrible. Many horrible characters in games and movies are annoying as heck, but still done really well by the voice actor. To me Guilty Spark, however annoying, sounds like a convincing AI character. That's why I prefer the Nolan North version of the ghost. It may be annoying, but it sounds nothing like any specific human. It's an anonymous voice. Since I find Peter Dinklage's voice so blatantly recognizable as Peter Dinklage he doesn't come off as a character, he just comes off as Peter Dinklage reading lines.
north and dinklage are both incredible talents... and not even they can do anything to salvage this character or the writing... kinda speaks volumes about both in my book :/ ... just saying
Yeah, I'm a bit disappointed they didn't change the script during the "fly in" parts. There was no cutscene Ghost sort of "miming" the dialogue with his actions there, so they could have switched it up. That said, I'm going to wait on the expansion to see how he's used there. Bungie have admitted that the writing/story sucked in the launch game, I'm still looking forward to Nolan's Ghost going forward. And for anyone saying they "should have stuck with Dinklage"...that wasn't even an option. North is available whenever they need him, Dinklage isn't.
Yup, should have stuck with Dinklage. I always thought Dinklage's performance was just right for the Ghost. North borders on having a Claptrap type of personality to this Ghost.
Nope. North's performance is better. Neither are working with anything great, and they add pauses that make it awkward, but North's delivery works better for me. Dinklage just sounds like Dinklage reading.
Perhaps it's better to just pick a low budget actor to read the emotionless robot lines and spent more of the budget on content ..
Exactly what you said but that will never happen because Bungee is too worried about pr and the shit that's being said about them on the Internet by the vocal minority. Here's an idea Bungee, instead of worrying about what ghost sounds like make him useful. Shit, even if he only picked up engrams and ammo for you that would at least justify the inventory slot that ghost occupies.
Yup, i totally agree. The script is awful, but North puts in an odd C3PO impersonation that just feels wrong. then again i always liked dinklidges perfromce. his version of ghost felt sort of put upon and like an unwilling caretaker, and it worked.
Ah! I've been wondering what North's voice reminds me of here. You're right, he sounds like he's doing a poor C3PO impression. It's jarring.
They did so well with guilty spark from Halo it makes me wonder why they have so much trouble. Couldn't be Activision....
Not much respect left for Bungie. I felt a little for them when they wanted their independence back and parted ways with Microsoft. I thought it was a good move for both parties and tended to side with Bungie over the complaints they had with lack of freedom since they were tied to a single IP for so long. Now that we are seeing the way they treated Marty for wanting those same freedoms I have to say the amount of hypocrisy was astounding on their part. Activision seems much worse and the 10 year plan for Destiny made their complaint about working on the same IP for an extended time a joke. Tack on the way they continue to treat their existing fanbase and it's pretty clear what Bungie is. It's almost like Bungie resents the fans that supported them for so long. Replacing Dinklage is just one more in a long line of mistakes they seem to be making. I honestly don't know how they are going to milk Destiny for a decade.
Bull... North's performance is awesome, he makes ghost sound like a timid wuss pointdexter and it's awesome.
That's what I don't like about it. At least with Dinkle, you get someone who sounds a little bit tough. If I am saving the galaxy I want someone with confidence and toughness, not a hybrid robot of screetch powers and Urkle.
The contrast is what works for me, I'm all the badass I need. He's like the Q to my bond, or the weasel to my deadpool.
It's like they replaced a rather robotically bored, otherworldy, even slightly sinister, voice with a more human Sheldon out of The Big Bang Theory reading a child a bedtime story style. I suppose it depends how much you want a bit of friendly Nolan North sarcasm in your games. Was that supposed to be the Ghost's personality? If it was, it doesn't appear that they ever told Dinklage whose performance suggested that the Ghost had dark secrets that it wasn't yet letting on to you. I feel a bit awkward about one voice actor usurping the work of another in such a way. And if the Ghost turns out to be villainous in some way later on then I don't appreciate them bringing in North when Dinklage's performance was more consistent with that. (Either way, I'm not in to MMORPGs anyway. Don't agree/disagree on that point. You can be in to it).
Maybe they should offer players the choice to return their Ghosts to the Speaker. They could just set a basket next to him for returns.
North's is better. I think the difference maybe the fact that North is aware of the situations under which the dialogues are made.There is situation awareness in his speech plus he sounds like a sidekick not a human trapped in a floating box. Peter was probably working with descriptions of the scenes from a studio in another country.
I never had a problem with dinklage in the first place. We'll get used to North after a while and won't care.
They both sound pretty good, just different delivery styles. People just love to complain. . .
To be honest... Peter's was better IMO because he actually sounds kind of emotionless which is what I want from the ghost. Nolan sounds too "real" if that makes sense. For example, the "we've woken the hive!" line is pulled off great by Peter IMO and when Nolan does it he sounds slightly amused like "hmpf, hives up".
no idea why they changed the voices
I don't think it was due to backlash. He's an emmy award winning actor and probably is really busy and really expensive. I believe them when they said how it was great to call up Nolan North and have him read some lines in a week. Peter can't do that. I bet Nolan has a studio in his home and can have lines sent to him and he records and sends back. What a job. I love Nolan North.
ah I did not think about that, but it makes sense. Nolan is just all about the games :)
They changed voices b/c Peter is not available when they need him. They explain this in the gameinformer piece done last month.
ah that makes sense. thx!
They shouldn't have changed dinklage but they should have changed the voice of the announcer in the crucible. I can't stand that voice. Made me not want to play crucible for like 6 months
I noticed that the first time I saw gameplay videos of the crucible last summer. Still can't stand that voice.. Control.. Bravo team.. Doesn't really matter though the voice didn't make me not want to play crucible like you said, dying every 30 seconds made me not want to play it. Hah. Sad but true.
The voice is such a ridiculously annoying voice, so bad lol
What!? Shaxx is awesome and he has even more call outs now. I've never encountered Destiny players who don't like Shaxx. "TRIPLE DOWN!"
Blame Bungie not Nolan and Peter, they're awesome
It doesn't even sound like a robot with Nolan, it just sounds childish...course the game essentially is. One of the only things I enjoyed about Destiny was Dinklage's voice and how it was dark and eerie. If there had been an actual story, it would've been so much better. That said, I don't think having a good story would make Nolan's voice that, uh, enjoyable here, however, I think it's primarily an issue with the story itself. A bad script makes for a bad performance.
Terrible writing IMO.
It is dumb that they did the exact same lines...I was hoping for a a little different dialogue at least. You really notice how bad the lines for him are...
Complete waste of time replacing the dialogue with North...Dinklage sounded better imo. And as mentioned above they could have rescripted it a bit to make it a little different being that they changed it anyway. What a waste. Like I said this was the least of this games issues that needed to be 'fixed'.