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Rage Will Look Worse on 360 Due to Compression; Doom 4 and Rage Not Likely for Digital Distribution

id's post-apocalyptic open-world shooter Rage (PC, PS3, 360, Mac) will look worse on Xbox 360 due to the compression needed to fit the game's assets on two DVDs, programmer John Carmack revealed at tonight's QuakeCon keynote.

According to Carmack, the royalty fees to include a third disc in the Xbox 360 version would be so high that it simply isn't a feasible solution, with the programmer hoping for Microsoft to make a concession. He stressed that the issue has nothing to do with the Xbox 360 hardware itself, and is merely a storage problem. (PC, PS3, Xbox 360)

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Ogrekiller  +   2336d ago
This sucks...
Here's to MS ponying up for that 3rd disc.
I predict a field day for the Sony fanboys this time.
Edit: Never said that.
Edit 2: @ mushroom avatar guy: No, I didn't admittedly.
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sushipoop  +   2336d ago
But I thought Blu-ray wasn't needed? LMAO I know you're crying on the inside, Ogre. Everyone be sure to spread the news! This is all the proof we needed. =)
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donator  +   2336d ago
This is the perfect time for PS3 fan boys to take the high road. You've been arguing about how DVDs will become a problem for the 360 due to its storage limitations and now you have more concrete evidence that what you've been saying all along is true.

So this is a plea to fellow PS3 owners. Take the high road. Don't rub it in. Don't stoop to their level.
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rucky  +   2336d ago
@ogre
C'mon like you didn't see this coming.
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sonarus  +   2336d ago
I wouldn't speak too soon. Wait till we actually see it running on both consoles
beavis4play  +   2336d ago
lets see....who should i listen to?......john carmack or sonarus? i should probably listen to sonarus cause what would carmack know about this game? end sarcasm.
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Bnet343  +   2336d ago
I am not interested in this game at all. Actually what is this game suppose to be?
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sonarus  +   2336d ago
Lol @beavis4play glad you take my opinion seriously ;)

But carmack is trying to promote a game here. Saying one version will look worse is kind of a dumb business practice. They may simply be putting pressure on Microsoft to ease up on the royalty fees. Sort of how Streed fighter turbo HD got delayed to infinity thanks to Msoft low size limit for arcade type games.

These people can sometimes misquote an individual just like how mass effect president apparently said no mass effect for ps3 until trilogy and that was proven fake. No compression definitely improves graphics but we don't even know how well the engine runs on the ps3 yet. I just say lets wait and see
solidt12  +   2336d ago
360 better get a Blu-Ray player or become the Dreamcast. Seriously it could happen.. No one saw it coming back when it happened to the Dreamcast. The Dreamcast had great games when it happened also.
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beavis4play  +   2336d ago
just having some fun sonarus,
no hard feelings i hope. feel free to poke fun at me any time.
kopicha  +   2336d ago
@Kigmal
sigh... what a typical fanboy comment. when a game report to be not great on your system you simply try to hide it to the world by saying thank god i aint interested. so when something shows that ps3 is worst than its counterpart. even if you aint interested you would bash ps3 like hell. sad but true.... doesnt apply to me thou. i have both.
TOSgamer  +   2336d ago
Damn MS charges royalty fees by the disc?
How ghetto is that? No wonder the only multi discs games to come out for the 360 were published by MS.
solidt12  +   2336d ago
Knowing Microsoft there solution might be to slap three DVD players in the next Xbox to protest Blu-Ray. Idiots.
sushipoop  +   2336d ago
@ Kigmal
We're not asking you if you're interested. It's about the point of this article. The principle. The 360 version will look worse because they'll need to compress it beyond belief. PS3 has Blu-ray.

Sony FTW!
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marinelife9  +   2336d ago
I honestly never even heard of this game. Is it even any good. There used to be a day if a game was made by Carmack you didn't even have to ask.

Will Doom 4 need three discs as well?
kai_h  +   2336d ago
@ solidt12
Giving the 360 a Blu-ray player wouldn't do anything except enable the playback of Blu-ray movies. In order to produce games on Blu-ray for 360 would be if either: Microsoft gave every 360 a Blu-ray player, release games on both DVD and Blu-ray, or alienate the 360s with DVD players.

So if you want to say that the 360 should get a Blu-ray player, then the way to say it is not that Microsoft should make a 360 with Blu-ray, but instead, that Microsoft should've made a 360 with Blu-ray.
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sonarus  +   2336d ago
lol hard feelings?...me...never :)
decapitator  +   2336d ago
Blu-ray is not needed for gaming amrite ?

Seriousl though, Am sure Carmack knows what he is talking about after all.

THE MAN IS BEEN TO SPACE. SPACE Motherfackers.
Megatron08  +   2336d ago
If multi disc are so bad it mean that the ps1 was the worse system ever invented. God what a piece a crap that was you know how many games on that system used multi dics. Sony should of never made a ps2 or a ps3 after that. All thoe multi disc games just proved that sony had no idea how to make a game system.

@decapitator they put monkeys in space to so whats your point ?
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Bangladesh  +   2336d ago
MS had better be ponying up for that 3rd disc. I'm a fan of the 360, but if it hurts the game not having enough space. Then I'll add Rage to my small library of ps3 games.
Playstation Man  +   2336d ago
Megatron, you're missing the point about multi-discs
Back then the technology wasn't available to do it all in one disc. Instead, devs either were stuck with less capable carts or discs of only 800mb. Even back then games were like 1000-2500 mbs like MGS or FFs. Quite frankly, they had no choice BUT to do it.

Here, Blu-Ray offers an alternative. DVD9 does not. XBOX screwed up and fixed costs of production are down by not having to pay royalties for multi-dics on PS3. They don't have to compress for Blu-Ray. XBOX fails hard here.
CrazzyMan  +   2336d ago
LoLz, this will be EPIC =))
and ps3 only 1,5 year on the market.)
PS3 is FUTUREPROOF.

Soon or later This would happen..)

p.s. @Kigmal http://www.gametrailers.com... =)
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jwatt  +   2336d ago
youtube quality sucks but the game has lost and lots of textures in it.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
Martini  +   2336d ago
From quake con - Shane: "He says that from id's point of view, 360's hardware is superior to PS3's but that BluRay's capacity gives Sony's system an important edge, especially for large game worlds like Rage's."

Let's not forget that this fall 360 will be able to install the games onto the HDD so if MS loosens up the royalty per disc BS we might just get RAGE on 3-4 dvd's with the best console game performance on the superior hardware (360) - see quote.

All that MS needs to do is allow developers to use the HDD and as everyone knows this is coming in the fall update.
CaptainHowdy  +   2336d ago
so developers DO need bluray you say????
Fascinating....xbox720, 2009
Kaneda  +   2336d ago
M$ Making Moo la
Yup! 720.. xbox owners will paying twice as much money for next gen console. :) IF they decide to buy 720.. :)
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Expy  +   2336d ago
@Sonarus
When Carmack says that it'll look worse if they have to compress it to 2 (TWO) DVDs -minimum- it will. He's a well enough respected developer and technology enthusiast that everyone who knows him wouldn't dare question his findings.

He admitted that at id software they prefer the 360 hardware because they find it more powerful, but he also admits that Blu-Ray is a big edge to the Playstation 3 platform for its obviously massive storage capacity.

He's saying it will look worse, it will, unless Microsoft does something about their storage issues... and their Core/Arcade bundles.
thePatriot  +   2336d ago
not enough space
is a hardware problem, whats he talking about?
dvd is a problem
off to play eden
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Winter47th  +   2336d ago
Looks like they weren't pissing around when they said the PS3 was future proof.

Now all the jokes about TeE CELL iz R POAHFULL r lolz blooray BS aTtACK iz WEEk POinT foR iz MassIVe DaMAGe are coming around to bite ya'll in the ass lol

And what digital distribution? if the DVDs can't handle the game, don't expect everyone with an Xbox360 to have a blazing fast internet connection to download an +8.5GB game, DT won't cut it and it's not the answer for embracing a last-gen format.

Stop kidding your self, jump Blu already.
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cahill  +   2336d ago
This sucks
a game on 3 DVD

Oh wait no i will have the ps3 version thanks
morganfell  +   2336d ago
@kigmal...pathetic. You were interested enough to post a reply.

http://battellemedia.com/im...
AceLuby  +   2336d ago
@Martini
Dude, do you realize how much space a SINGLE DVD9 would take up, not to mention 3 or 4. 30GB for a single game is over 1/4 of the usable space of a 120GB drive going for, what $180?
cmrbe  +   2336d ago
Martini
I find it interesting that you forgot that millions of x360 don't have HD. Spin whatever way you want mate to make yourself feel better.
The Lazy One  +   2336d ago
Microsoft charges royalties per disk?!
THAT DUMB!

They'll probably end up paying id to put it on 3, because id has been an enormous supporter of the 360 over the PS3 in usability, and Rage is an amazingly beautiful and detailed game. I can't see M$ letting that go for the extra $1 max it would cost for an extra DVD.
Alvadr  +   2336d ago
PS3 version it is then =0)
xhi4  +   2336d ago
Geez I luv my PS3
the great news of a good investment never ceases to satisfy me.

anyone want to buy my 360?
beoulve  +   2336d ago
Martini, Let's not forget about those with Hard disk but let's just totally forget about those without hard disk.
godofthunder10  +   2336d ago
i love the picture of br but i will never buy a player untill it's the main movie formate because i hate to buy anything that's made in Japan if i can,i try and buy American when i can.They were already polled and they claimed that they hate to buy any forign products because they like to support their own country and economy and they especialy hate to buy from the U.S.

I have respect for them because i understand their point.Japan wouldn't be the richest country in the world and have the strongest economy in the world if they bought products from other countries instead of their own.The U.S was the richest country at one time and had a strong economy untill people started buying Japans product.

The most disgusting thing that i've ever read on these sites are so called Americans wishing that a company from Japan beats one from the U.S and cause it to close down.These so called Americans are wishing that million of Americans lose their jobs and every thing that they own and hurt the American economy because they want Japan to beat us,all i could say is that if they claim that they are proud of and love the U.S,i hate to see if they don't.Their isn't one Japanese person that will wish that an American company beat any company in Japan because they have pride and respect for their country unlike some Americans.

I read how some Americans claim that they Japan buy American products.They claim that they buy American products like coke,burger king,and macdonalds.They are right but they have to buy from them.Japan don't have a different coke,macdonald,and burger king company that was started in Japan so they have know choice but to buy them if they like these products but if they did they wouldn't sell worth a sh*t.

Japan allows about 33% or more imports from the U.S then they export to it and that's a fact.The U.S been talking to them about it and said that it needs to be more even.

I'm proud of my country just like the Japanese are and like them i want pull against my country to lose to another country at anything.i will also buy as much products as i can from my country to help my country economy out just like they do.If people don't belive that when they buy forign products from other countries they are helping that country get richer and help their economy out and hurts the U.S economy out more then it help them then they need to read up on it.

When people buy products from a forign company instead of the U.S all it does is make the forign country stronger and america weaker and lose all kind of jobs for American workers.Before the U.S started letting Japan sell all their products over here it was the richest country in the world.Because the U.S let them sell their products here it isn't the richest country in the world,as a matter of fact it's #3 behind Japan and China.The U.S also had a strong economy,every one had a job and they had American companies opened up all over the world.When people stsrted buying products from Japan instead of the U.S it caused most of the companies to close down and millions of people lose their job and that's a fact.

They have other U.S companies in trouble now.They have chevrolet and ford that in troble now,as a matter of fact chevrolet was talking about going bankrupt because of slow sales.if this happens then The only choice we will have is to buy a forign car and on top of that they will have millions of more people lose their jobs because Americans refuse to buy American products to help they U.S out and that's a shame.Japan buy products from Japan because they understand what will happen if they don't and i respect them for that.
spandexxking  +   2336d ago
i think i just dropped a few IQ reading godofthunder's wall of text.
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Idonthatejustcreate  +   2336d ago
If 3 discs cost too much...
HOW THE HELL are they gonna fit FFXIII on 2 discs on the xbox360???? It will more likely take around 4 discs for it plus compression to the fullest if not more.

Something is not right with FFXIII coming to the 360...
SL1M DADDY  +   2336d ago
@ Idonthatejustcreate
2 discs? FFXIII? Even Lost Odyssey had 4 discs and that was with the UE3 engine powering the game. Yeah it looked nice but it was not what I have seen in the FFXIII trailers. My guess is that they are going to dumb down the game to fit on 4 discs or they are going to ship with a minimum of 6 discs. The DVD format is starting to become a dillema and we're only three years into the 360's life cycle.
supahbad  +   2336d ago
godofthunder
hahahahaha, it's guys like you the reason Al quaeda hates us, man i skimmed through that wall, and it had nothing to do with anything.

hey i was just wondering if you are a card carrying member of the border patrol. hahaha
JsonHenry  +   2336d ago
Well, I for one am thankful MS did not put HD-DVD in their 360 and make me pay an extra $100-150 at launch since it is a dead format. If it looks a little better on the PS3 then yay! for me. I own a PS3!
jlemdon  +   2336d ago
well they now have the option to install and it's still a problem?

c'mon Carmack you really want that 3rd disc, I guess the game is too big.
Shroomy  +   2336d ago
Wow
That sucks!

Oh well, I bought a new laptop for gaming at just the right time! :D
Armyless  +   2336d ago
Not enough disc space---- and you say installing to Hard Drive will solve this?
You're going to install 18+GB of game data to a Hard Drive and you think you've solved the problem?
Real Gambler  +   2336d ago
Jlemdon, read the comments before you post!
It's been said already!

Yes they can install now (they had no choice to announce it at E3, otherwise they would not have got FF)

But please, explain how they will install 3 9gig dvds on an Arcade xbox (NO DRIVE). Even your Core 20 gig harddrive will become pretty thight soon no?. And for now the only choice is paying $200 for a bigger harddrive that should cost $60. (For $200 it should be 500gig minimum)
thebudgetgamer  +   2336d ago
no need to gloat
we been on the short end of the stick in most cases now that the shoe is on the other foot you xbox owners know what weve been dealing with but stuff like this happens and to say it will not look as good doesnt mean it will be trash its not valve your dealing with
shelbygt33  +   2336d ago
It's an utter wankfest in here
Do you all feel validated? Your e-pride go up a notch? Yes? good, now go back to playing games.
rroded  +   2336d ago
if they had put in hddvd....
This wouldnt b such an issue as a matter of fact if they had won the format war Sony would b the one hurting now...
Gotta admire Sony for the b/r win and a standard hd in every box.
Still cant understand what ms was thinking with a overpriced hddvd add on and no hd standard.
Marojado  +   2336d ago
PS3 owner, fan of overall gaming and all consoles. And to be honest i reckon the differences will be minute. Just like every other multi platform game that fanboys like to dissect. It works both ways, but at the end of the day, the graphics engine looks pretty sweet so i dont think anyone needs to worry.
et617  +   2336d ago
Your a fanboy if you say your not interested in Rage at all, it's beginning to gain hype and it does look awesome. Your pathetic in total if you never heard of id Software, especially if your a hardcore FPS gamer. Doom created a lot of trends for the FPS genre...
mfwahwah  +   2336d ago
@Martini
"While allowing the game to be installed on the Xbox 360's harddrive may help, it actually wouldn't solve that problem, Hollenshead added."

Too bad installs won't help y'all out here.
Ateanboy  +   2336d ago
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!
LOL! LOL!

DVD9 FOR THE WIN!!!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

But-- Huh-- Wha??? How is this possible? I thought "DVD9" was enough.

What a bunch of douche bags.

Sony Field Day FTW!!!!!!! Whoot!

There's nothing better than living long enough to see a company like Microsoft having to eat their own words....
And also the thousands of 360 fanboys that actually BELIEVE and DEFEND their every word...

Now what?

DVD9 enough? WRONG! Now pay for their damn 3rd disc!

I have limited computer hardware education, and even IIIIIIIII knew that Blu-Ray was the way to go and that Sony made the right investment.

And these GENIUSES at Microsoft Corporate managed to come upon the conclusion that DVD9 was more efficient than Blu-Ray!?!?!?!?!?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Sony Field Day FTW!!!!

Yeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

I sh*t- on u.

We sh*t- on u.

Sony sh*ts- on u.

Microsoft sh*ts- on u.

Ur being sh*ted on from all directions. Nowhere to hide. Nowhere to take cover. Just let it rain. Let the sh*t fall.

Learn from your mistake. Yes. Knowledge is key.
Learn from your MS's mistakes, 360 fanboy.
And come over to our side.
We have future-proof, better reliable hardware.

And we love you.

But until u change ur wicked ways and join us...the sh*t shall fall.
And fall it shall!
On this day!

Sony Field Day FTW!!!
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Mr BlueScreen  +   2336d ago
@godofthunder
Do I know you?
You sound like a friend of mine.
Anyways, I'm going to put this in the nicest way possible. godofthunder... Your stupid.
1. your way off topic
2. your racist
3. you have no idea what your talking about!

This guy is why Americans are seen as arrogant morons who don't go to school.
Ogrekiller  +   2336d ago
Yea yea
blah blah blah
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pwnsause  +   2336d ago
"yea yea
blah blah blah"

deny it all you want but its been stated over and over and over again. Blu-ray is needed. it doesnt surprise me that a dev such as Carmack is stating this.
Ogrekiller  +   2336d ago
Oh I won't deny it
admittedly there's not much I can do to spin this. Better to take the lumps now than later.
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RonDeMuerte  +   2336d ago
Well that's what you get when...
you keep supporting outdated hardware and technology while software continues to progress and expand........This just confirms what we've known all along......X-bots are stupid...and they hate change!! haha :)
JasonPC360PS3Wii  +   2336d ago
Outdated hardware,
Yo mean like a slow Blu-Ray dive that forces you to install games, or how about that GPU and RAM problem?

:)
silverchode  +   2336d ago
the true outdated hardware is the one without built in wifi and has the need for multiple disks and comes with wired controllers :)
juuken  +   2336d ago
Jason, shut the hell up.

Didn't you get the memo?

THE 360 IS A LAST GEN CONSOLE. MICROSOFT EITHER NEEDS TO CHANGE THEIR TUNE OR SONY IS GOING TO BE TAKING UP SECOND PLACE IN NO TIME.

And installs are not slow moron. My installs take a few minutes and it'll only run slow because of a slow connection.

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And look, you're spinning even more crap!

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Homicide  +   2336d ago
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA! This is freaking hilarious. Where are all the other bots? I rather have an install than having a game that looks worse.

The PS3 has a built in wifi, hd movie player and has HDD standard. For the 360, you need to purchase an add on for wifi, hd dvd (dead already), and arcade owners need to waste money on an overpriced HDD.
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pwnsause  +   2336d ago
Jason 360
"Outdated hardware,
Yo mean like a slow Blu-Ray dive that forces you to install games, or how about that GPU and RAM problem?"

Do you see the PC streaming Games via DVD drive smallbrain? no it installs to the HDD in combination with running with the Disc drive. sorry to burst your bubble, look at the bright side at least you tried hard to get the fanboy of the week award lol.

BTW funny that you say a GPU and RAM problem, because that is the number one reason why you wont get games such as MGS4 or Killzone 2 or better yet, Heavy Rain, because the PS3 has a "Defect" as you say LMAO. you're so full of fail, go be fat somewhere else.
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zo6_lover27  +   2336d ago
@ Jason 360
Bluray is faster than DVD, I have a link
http://www.gamespot.com/pag...

And you obviously don't know anything about the ps3's ram, the GPU has 512mb of ram, so does the CPU and Cell can function as a CPU and GPU.
Its semi complicated so I won't explain
pwnsause  +   2336d ago
Here Jason 360
Do some research about XDR ram before you go out and talk sh*t http://www.rambus.com/us/pr... thats what I did before I brought myself a PS3.
JasonPC360PS3Wii  +   2336d ago
Lets count the bad points of these systems
360 = lack of storage, over heating in "older models" have been fixed

PS3 = lack of RAM, old GPU, slow Blu Drive, installs, and a CPU no one but Sony understands

Droids = doing what ever they can to deny the obvious RAM problem with the PS3<--- that sh!t is priceless
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pwnsause  +   2336d ago
Keep Spinning Jason
Keep the spin going, you know everyone here knows your dumb sack of S**t. looks like a dumb bot is in denial here folks.

ROFL: you are an uneducated brat. you didnt even went to read about XDR memory, you're such a failure.
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Playstation Man  +   2336d ago
Overheating has been fixed?
Um, RRoD'd 360s at E3 say no it hasn't been. The Hardware is still faulty crap.
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zo6_lover27  +   2336d ago
@ Jason 360
You have NO idea how the ps3 ram works, and there is no problem, 512mb available for the GPU just like the 360, and a GPU that is just as(if not more) powerful than the 360's, and the CPU can double as a GPU.

Like pwnsause said
Learn about XDR, what ps3 uses, its a LOT better than the GDDR3 the 360 uses
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NegativeCreep427  +   2336d ago
I think all these Xbots own someone (Blu-Ray) an apology...
morganfell  +   2336d ago
ogrekiller, just so you know if you need someone to support you I am not that person. Hahahaha die DVD9 die!

And dumb jason, how is a gpu outdated when the best looking console game is a PS3 title. (Hans and Franz voice here) "Sorry little girly man but your puny console doesn't even have the strength a PS3 possesses in one finger, Ya! Unt guess which finger little shrunken console man!"

BTW Jason I like how you changed your avatar to a depiction of a 360 after it has been running for an hour.
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Solid_Snake666  +   2336d ago
@360
jason360 forgot a little thing called RROD!!!!
The Mikester  +   2336d ago
you're just jealous b/c you know the PS3 is better.
Admit it
Admit it
Admit it
Admit it
The PS3 can handle more and can make the graphics on games look amazing.
Admit it
morganfell  +   2336d ago
Jason, you are a joke. Ram an issue? GPU? Hmmmm lets look at the biggest selling game this year. Multiplatform I believe. And every major site said better looking on the PS3. Denial pal. Nothing but denial.

http://i171.photobucket.com...
The Wood  +   2336d ago
morganfell
lol, bubble 4 that pic
beoulve  +   2336d ago
OMG OMG, someone just bought a $299 console that cant play blu-ray movies and games, has to constantly remind himself that paying extra for something equally good is actually better, periodically sending his console back to shop to repair, convinces himself that download a 5GB heavy compression HD movie is actually better than 50GB Blu-ray, make himself think that HALO 3 and Gear of War will be the only game he will ever play therefore Competitors do not any games since he can only recognize two games.
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CrazedFiend  +   2336d ago
Wait! Hold up!
Jason 360's got me all dizzy up in here!
I'm feelin a bit woozy (>_<;)

Can we just pause this ride for a second??
FAQS  +   2336d ago
Q:Why these xbots continue to made up excuses whith Blu-ray and RAM, don't have a minimal idea what they are talking about and denying about the REAL TRUTH that Xbox 360 is outdated, and that PS3 is the FUTURE?
A: Well, unless the excuses they made up are hilarious, how pathetic they are!...Poor guys, I must admit I never laugh so much whith them!
power of Green  +   2336d ago
Lets hope MSFT *the software king* helps the devs make an equal game(cheap bastards) lol.

It would be silly to let PS3's inferior hardware beat MSFT because of storage, or expensive storage in this case.

They do think the 360's hardware is superior, Sony faces an huge issue too as not all games will be this size.

Dude never said it looks worse, he said it will look worse if MSFT doesn't make an "concession" (a price discount for a certain category of person.). *If* Id ends up using two discs the game will supposedly be inferior.
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morganfell  +   2336d ago
Ha ha pog you maroon. The game is built on tech from Carmack. Even he said the PS3 was more powerful. He remarked it was harder to use but that remark was made when the PS3 first came out. Those days are gone.

Face the bitter truth Captain Dunzel. Your day came and went. It is done and over. How does it feel to get beat by inferior hardware? After all the best looking console game ever is a PS3 game. Not even a smidgen of a debate there. Hell the biggest selling game this year, one that had 50 million dollars of worthless MS cash behind it looked better on the PS3.

360 drum beaters like you and jason are technological and mental dinosaurs. You are the proverbial stegosaurus. Big, dumb, and too oblivious to realize your day is over. It must suck to have a T Rex eating your ass while you get flattened by an asteroid.
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Sir_Ken_Kutaragi  +   2336d ago
xBox 360 = Out of Date P.C in a Box!!!
;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D
;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D
;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D
;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D
;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D
Everything Looks Worse on the xBox 360!!! ;-D
It's just the internet LIES that say the PS3 is not better than the x[PC]Box 360!!! :-/
Nice try xBot Lemmings and the KING RATS!!! YOU FAIL HARD!!! ;-D
AngryTypingGuy  +   2336d ago
Some say the 360 is a last gen system because it's discs don't have the storage capacity of BluRay. Yeah it doesn't have as much storage capacity on DVD9 discs, but they are enough for 99% of the games out there.

If the 360 is so last gen, then why does it handle most games better than the PS3?! Look at the new S.C. IV. Anyone notice the lack of anti-aliasing on the PS3 version?

Juuken, why does the 360 have better frame rates and graphics on most games. Keep spinning that one, spin, spin, spin...
zapass  +   2336d ago
yea yea
OWNED.

suck it up xbaboons: your POS console is even trashed by the most die hard PC devs.

"but but but..." STFU and swallow!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HA HA HA A, I need fresh pants again!

MOVING ON.
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Tmac  +   2336d ago
Lol Angrytypingguy, you're a total friggin retard, SC4 looks the exact same on both consoles there's no way in hell you can even spin that, and for Jason 360, your like 10 years old, I'm not even gonna bother bringin' it up.
Pain  +   2336d ago
BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-.......HUUUUGGGHHH......up flys lung......
Spin AwaY XBOTS!!!!! and do it to this please.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

XBOX DEFENSE FORCE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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na2ru1  +   2336d ago
PwnSauce
Bubble for you.

And Jason360. I pity your insecure behavior. Install, GPU, Ram, most if not all exclusives looking visually better than competition.

Yeh of course graphics aren't important, not until you start comparing Geow with Resistance2
prunchess  +   2336d ago
This is a problem for the PS3 as much as the 360.....
A lot of games developers have used the 360 as the lead unit to develop with. If the max. cap. for DVD9 is about 7.5 gigs any multi platform games are going to be limited by this. Which means that there will be less content on a Blu-Ray game disk.

How many of you out there thought that GTA4 was much shorter than San Andreas? I felt that it was a lot shorter and have wondered how much was omitted due to it's multi platform release. And as for the "Exclusive Down loadable Content" the 360 was getting, was this because Rockstar couldn't fit anymore onto the DVD9 disks? Did the PS3 get a cut down version due to the 360? Was this a MS 50 million hush job?

Another knock on effect of this is, due to the storage limitations of the 360 DVD9 are PS3 owners having to pay for DLC that could easily fit on a Blu-Ray Disk?
IzKyD1331  +   2336d ago
@prunchess
im scared the same thing might happen to FF 13
prunchess  +   2336d ago
@IzKyD1331
I'm a big fan of the Final Fantasy series also. I really feel that the game will be limited by Square to ensure they maximise their profits on the 360. If this happens to FF13 we will see the online stores flooded with costly DLC that probably would have fit on the Blu-ray disk.

I could be wrong but could the additional content that the PS3 is getting with Bioshock have been included on the 360 DVD9 disk?
Light Yagami  +   2336d ago
You 360 fanboys are a bunch of retards. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You just got owned.
morganfell  +   2335d ago
No not all games will be this size, just an ever increasing number. Here is another wake up call. The Doom III engine was a kick ass piece of programming. Go back and look at it and then look at Unreal III. You will see the engine was actually pretty sweet. What hurt the engine was that Id did not develop the tools to license the engine. And anyone that has done development work knows that a great engine with no tools equals no engine.

IdTech5 is different in that they are building a suite and specifically looking at the U3 market and licensing.

As the engines are capable of rendering ever more complex worlds, as game features continue to expand - what you can do in the game escalates, as textures increase in size, as complexity grows period, games will continue to increase in size and required disc space.

You may be happy running around in a super linear game with small maps and actually few features when you think of it (some extra animations are not real features) but I and numerous gamers pushing the edge are not so cheaply satisfied.

First people said DVD9 wasn't a limitation. Now they are saying it is a limitation just not very often. How long are they going to keep serving that kool aid. What's next? More backward compatible xbox games to nurse your wounds?

And acting like DVD9 is just becoming an issue is living, er actually dying in denial:

http://www.joystiq.com/2007...
pixelsword  +   2297d ago
Saying I told you so won't make the situation better...
...but really, it only took time before the truth came out. Sony looked down the road at last gen, and if last gen titles could go multi-disc, then it was obvious we would need more space this gen.
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Wildarmsjecht  +   2336d ago
Oh boy...a developer saying such a thing? There will be alot of flaming and anger from one camp, and alot of champagne popping from the other. I'm gonna go play some more Eden.
Viktor E  +   2336d ago
I can't even pop Champagne
Cause this is just sad,I mean,2 Dvds and the game is gonna be the worst out of the 3?

Damn...
kingOVsticks  +   2336d ago
Im surpirsed a dev didn't come out and say it sooner
but we all knew that this day will come when developers just need more space,plan and simple.Microsoft have no one else to blame but themselves,this if anything is the biggest kink in the 360's armor.Well what a surprise fanboys SONY ACTUALLY KNOWS WTF THEIR DOING!!!
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RememberThe357  +   2336d ago
Sounds to me like hes trying to get MS to pony up on that third disk :)
jmalc  +   2336d ago
And Carmack said Doom 4 will require "30% more horsepower".

I think all of us here can agree on what that means between the consoles.
sushipoop  +   2336d ago
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HA ROFL! Poor xbots.
TheXgamerLive  +   2336d ago
I can tell this is made up fake and fony sony bullsh1t.
First off, no programmer/developer say's "will look worse than another console", that's insinuating that all versions are going to look bad, so this is a fony sony wannabe fan girl's made up comments to make it seem like the Xbox 360 version won't look as good as the others, well as usual it will look better and we'll all see when live demo's are introduced again as usual.

Fony sony wannabe fan girls, it's time you gave up posting fake interviews or making up your own interpretation of what someone's comments really meant to mean.

Fake Fake Fake Fake Fake Fake, in a couple day's an edited of the true post/article will come out, again as usual. This is getting so old wannabe's.
Solid_Snake666  +   2322d ago
ur in denial
Viktor E  +   2336d ago
&quot;due to the compression needed to fit the game's assets on two DVDs&quot;
TWO Dvds,and it STILL looks worse?

There's no way to spin it;Blu Ray is necessary for Hi Definition Content.
Atomic  +   2336d ago
not that surprising when you use a last century technology.

edit : why the disagrees ? the first DVD went into production in 1997. and that was in the last century.
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deeznuts  +   2336d ago
Last millenium dude. I mean, that's once in a thousand years! That's like, neanderthal man!

Cro-magnon man was seen using it ;)
Megatron08  +   2336d ago
There is also no way to spin the fact that he said the 360 is way more powerful then the ps3 and that the only place 360 is lacking is in storage. While you can use multi disc for storage there is no way to over come the ps3 lack of power
cahill  +   2336d ago
@megatron ...ps3 is way more powerful than x360
Carmack clearly said that ps3 is way more powerful than x360 but harder to program

ps3 is more powerful . no denying there --Killzone 2, MAG, Resistance 2, uncharted

do i go on?

as for Cell it is immensely more powerful than xenon
The Lazy One  +   2336d ago
@cahill
find carmacks quote saying the PS3 is more powerful. I've heard him say the opposite quite a few times.

And the cell doesn't do anything on it's own but sit there. You have to look at the whole system not just the CPU.
GIJeff  +   2336d ago
carmak
grew up a PC/Windows programmer. He hates anything that isnt PC-like. Thats why he thinks the ps3 is worse than the 360, because with his "skills", he cant utilize the PS3, he is too old school....like the 360...or xbox 1.5. He is an old dog in the gaming industry, and doesnt like to learn new tricks. A lot of the older "legends" are like that. That's also why they're games are beginning to suck. Quake4 was a joke at best. He needs to retire.
RememberThe357  +   2336d ago
@ Atomic
Thats last decade not century.
The Lazy One  +   2336d ago
@GIJeff
You have no idea wtf you're talking about.

John Carmack does prefer the PC and 360 to PS3, partly because of his background, but also because he is completely changing the way an engine uses the components.

He is a great innovator. Look at idtech 5 tech demos and the way it uses textures. That is completely amazing. He's even supposed to be working on a way to do similar things with polygons. He could very well increase the visible performance of video games by at least 3 times. He's one of the only people who's looking at ways to use the processor differently instead of using a different processor.

go find a corner and think about what you've said.
deeznuts  +   2336d ago
The Lazy One, I guess you call yourself that cuz you're too lazy to look it up!

http://www.xbox365.com/news...

Listen to that. It's Carmack COMMENTING on PS3 vs 360. Listen to it and weep. This video isn't Moses coming down the mountain with a tablet. He says, PS3 offers more peak performance, 360 easier for developers.
kevin1122  +   2336d ago
sorry to tell you megatron, he did say if you program for the ps3 right it is marginally more powerful than the 360. But the 360 is easier to program for and microsoft offers better tools so he likes the 360 more.
Armyless  +   2336d ago
John Carmack - QUOTE
"The truth is the PS3 has more peak performance on there and that's what Sony was looking for on there with the choices that they made and the Cell architecture in particular and to a lesser degree some of the video chip decisions on there, it gives it more theoretical power."
BlackTar  +   2336d ago
Sorry Lazy one
Your a fool. So what who cares whats more powerful gameplay make games not graphics but I have to laugh at you so BLINDING PUTTING FAITH IN SOMETHING LIKE THIS. I love all systems get over it.
The Lazy One  +   2335d ago
Yes...
and in theory, a honda civic can be more powerful than a ford mustang.

On PS3, he's said the cell is powerful, the GPU is less powerful, and the RAM is crippling. (go to IGN, find the rage idtech5 tech demo and watch it). The PS3 version pre-compression hassle was going to be the worst of the three because of it. The artists actually had to create two versions of most levels because the PC/360 versions had higher performance.
Armyless  +   2335d ago
Incorrect
You can't just make up facts to buttress your argument. In theory, a Ford Mustang is more powerful than a Honda Civic. You had it backwards, and you only proved Carmack's point for me.
pwnsause  +   2336d ago
doesnt surprise me. if people didnt see this coming, they have to be the most ignorant person on the planet, Blu-ray is needed no matter what. and its not just BD, its also the Hard Disc drive as well. sure the PS3s BD drive may be slower than the 360's DVD drive, but the PS3 wont run through the most important problem, which is storage.
Viktor E  +   2336d ago
Fully agree with you
I think Kutaragi is a genius,he saw the clear mistakes of the competition(Outdated hardware)and took a huge risk by including Blu Ray in the Ps3.Sony bled a lot of money initially but it's really becoming apparent now that the inclusion of Blu Ray was a brilliant move by Kutaragi.
zo6_lover27  +   2336d ago
Exactly.
I would also like to point out that bluray is actually faster than DVD, its just the drive the ps3 uses (2x)
pwnsause  +   2336d ago
if the BD drive ran at 3x it could of matched or surpassed the 360's DVD drive speed
kopicha  +   2336d ago
slower or faster
it really doesnt matter blu ray is slower of faster. i think you are also missing out the main point that all ps3 comes with a hdd as a standard as well. thats the biggest advantage over 360 imo.
zo6_lover27  +   2336d ago
@ Pwnsause
Actually 3x would match surpass and be slower, DVD's read at different speeds depending on where the data is on the disk, bluray reads at the same speed no matter what, and bluray 4x surpasses DVD 12x altogether.

@ Kopicha

I agree, neither can match the speed of a hard drive but putting full games would take up a lot of space fast, so a fast disk drive is helpful
cahill  +   2336d ago
wtf ps3s bd drive is faster than x360's DVD drive
the Blu Ray drive in ps3 is faster than the 12x dvd drive in 360

http://forum.beyond3d.com/s...

"2x Blu-ray Drive (72Mbps(9MB/s))
Single Layer (2x CLV) - Constant Linear Velocity (Same speed across entire disk)
Double Layer - Couldn't find any data but no games have been released on a double layer yet.

Entire Blu-ray Disk is read at 9MB/s.

12x DVD-Rom Drive SL (9.25MB/S-15.85MB/s(AVG ~8x(10.57MB/s) DL (4.36MB/s-10.57MB/s(AVG ~6x(7.93MB/s)
SL(DVD-5) 12x Max (5-12x Full CAV) - Constant Angular Velocity (Speed Varies from edge to edge)
DL(DVD-9) 8x Max (3.3-8x Full CAV) - Constant Angular Velocity (Speed Varies from edge to edge)

SL DVD is 1.57MB/s > SL Blu-ray
DL DVD is 1.07MB/s < SL Blu-ray

Majority of 360 games are on DVD-9."
shazam  +   2336d ago
actually
mgs4 is the first double layer game at 33GB, but i agree with everything else
The gaming GOD  +   2336d ago
Ok fellas, let us be bigger than the xbots here
Most of us said all along eventually the DVD would hinder the 360 and the bluray's extra space would be a necessity.

Now that is starting to prove to be true. Let's just let it be. I admit it would be fun to rub this in people like the Mart's face, but it's a better idea to show we're bigger than that.
RonDeMuerte  +   2336d ago
Well you kinda just did rub it in their faces......nice...
You're basically just stating the fact that we're superior to them........but I gotta say....I've always enjoyed fighting fire with fire....it's fun.....so I say rub it in their faces!!!! it's the only way they'll ever learn!!! hahahahaha
The gaming GOD  +   2336d ago
Yeah I admit I kinda did rub it in by saying that
it wasn't purposely done. But that's how it will be taken anyway
cmrbe  +   2336d ago
That is what i feel as well
but do know that everytime thats something is in favour of the x360 versus the PS3 the xbots will be relentless in rubbing it in PS fans faces.
The gaming GOD  +   2336d ago
Trust me I understand how you both feel
And to be honest, I wouldn't blame you for rubbing it in their faces.

But it would be good to be better than that though.

Sometimes letting them see reality stings much more than shoving it in their faces. Call it self realization if you will
prunchess  +   2336d ago
This problem is not going to go away.....
When MS bring out the next incarnation of the Xbox, What are they going to use for storage? Do they expect to have Xbox owners download their games? How long would it take to download 5 or 6 gigs?(probably 4x more as the industry develops)DVD9 is no longer an option and will only hinder multi-platform games.

Maybe MS intend to bring back the cartridge for the 720 or what ever it's called.

MS should have stuck with their HD-DVD, even though the format lost out to blu-ray and used it for games for the Xbox if they could.
GameDev  +   2336d ago
let me ask you something
have the xbutt infantry or the xbutt propaganda outlets been fair to the PS3???

or have they LIED about it, slandered it, ridiculed it with LIES, made fun of PS3 owners etc etc etc etc and you want what now??

to be nice to them?? I don't consider xbutts real gamers and the sooner they leave and never comeback the better.
The gaming GOD  +   2336d ago
Don't misunderstand man
I'm not saying be nice to them. Hell no

I'm just saying be BETTER than them
zo6_lover27  +   2336d ago
2 DVD's and still needs compression, and so much compression it makes the game look worse, and you Xbots said bluray was pointless
FAQS  +   2336d ago
Q:
A: ...and the most weird thing is that they STILL denying it!...HA HA HA HA HA!
GameDev  +   2336d ago
if you go back
about 6 months you can find the mart,bladestar,jason360 and all the rest of the einstein crew PROCLAIMING that compression does not affect the original quality whatsoever and that bluray is a waste of time.

CHEERS TO IDIOTIC MORONS WHO THINK THEY UNDERSTAND TECHNOLOGY.
joeynox  +   2336d ago
what kind of crap are they puting on the discs. Also if the 360 version is gonna be the worst because of 2 dvds hows the ps version gonna look?Also who cares how it looks if it is a good game.chinese checkers is an ugly looking game but its fun. :)
Viktor E  +   2336d ago
I don't think you read the Article
'Cause it clearly states the 360 version is going to look the worst because of Compression.As we all know,the Ps3 uses the Blu Ray disc format,so they won't have to Compress anything for the Ps3 version.

So I guess the big deal here is the Xbox 360 version of the game will look worse than the Ps3 version because it's going to be on an outdated disc format.
Dark vader  +   2336d ago
This is exactly why many ps3 fans were mad about final fantasy going to the 360. Now i can never hear again a 360 fanboy tell me that blueray is not needed. Because if they do all i will do is find this article and show it to them. I bet you that there was probalby many other games that developers had to cut corners, just so that both console version would look similar, but they never had the balls to say it. Props to these guy for telling everyone the truth.
juuken  +   2336d ago
Exactly vader. That was the issue all along. It's not the fact that this game is coming to the 360 but it's the fact that the game might be dumbed down.
SSCOOLCHEA  +   2336d ago
6
thats the number you need to fit into 1 blu ray disc remember that number . so if there using 2 that's not even half of what blu ray storage is capable of . Didn't you read they wanted to put on a third disk but micro said FU .
meepmoopmeep  +   2336d ago
good point Vader.

i don't mind XIII going multi... but
if FFXIII gets gimped i will be uber pissed at Square.
put it on as many damn dics as they can for the 360, just don't gimp the game!
sonarus  +   2336d ago
I really don't care if FF gets gimped its the inevitable delay thats pissing me off. I don't care too much for graphics in an RPG.
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ice_prophecy  +   2336d ago
wont be an issue if SE releases the ps3 version first, then dumb it down after XD
mistertwoturbo  +   2336d ago
"Wont be an issue if SE releases the ps3 version first, then dumb it down after"

God hopes that SE does the right thing.
mavent  +   2336d ago
your ignorance is astounding
kazuma  +   2336d ago
oh no they didn't! start the wars!

oh and also, this thread will burn. mark my words.
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kingOVsticks  +   2336d ago
yeah
its getting a little out of hand but theres like thousand of nerds right know sitting in front of the computer screaming

"WE TOLD YOU X-BOTS!!! MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH *COUGH COUGH* *drinks cold milk* thanks mom....ahem PS3 AND KUTARAGI FTMFW!!!" :P
thePatriot  +   2336d ago
@ kazuma
even pacther could predict this flame war
Nathaniel_Drake  +   2336d ago
Was Carmack in the beginning sort of against the PS3, I just hope this opens his eyes a bit more of the possibilities for his creations
solidjun5  +   2336d ago
well it was stated in the article
When comparing the Xbox 360 to the PS3, the more spacious Blu-ray format is the only thing Carmack likes more about Sony's console. Everything else is better on the 360, he says.

Maybe he's like Gabe and prefers the hardware to the Cell/SPU. But unlike Gabe, he'll actually work with it...maybe not, he'll probably pass it on to EA. Not a good sign.
meepmoopmeep  +   2336d ago
Carmack was sort of like Gabe Newell's dopleganger, before Gabe's donut binge
DARKTRINITYxxx  +   2336d ago
And XBOX360 people wondered why PS3 owners got mad about the next Final Fantasy game going multi platform. Not only because its a great RPG and belongs on the PS3 tbh. Its also because they are huge games can you now see that when it arrives well get a watered down version just to fit in with XBOX360,s poor choice on DVD format.
marionz  +   2336d ago
watered down version of FF on ps3 due to 360's lack of storage?
thats a bit silly really, i mean im sure by now they know how to make a decent FF game, it will be the same on both, if you had lost odessey on ps3 on one BRD im sure you wouldnt be complaining, and it would probably be no different then the 360's 4 disc, FF will be the same game its designed on ps3, just be multiple disc for 360
Nathaniel_Drake  +   2336d ago
Not to be a fanboy, but this was what I was afraid of, you want people everywhere to enjoy a great series no matter the console, but the rpg gamer in me wanted the most popular rpg to spread it wings and see what the next gen had to offer for Final Fantasy, hopefully Square can find a way to make it at least better then the DVD limitation can give it
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cellypower  +   2336d ago
lost odyssey was made with the 360 in mind,but ff13 was made for ps3 with cell,blu-ray, and harddrive cache.SE Is going to have to cut corners for game to be the same on both platforms now.
kopicha  +   2336d ago
agree
i have no issue that FF goes to 360. since i own both. it doesnt matter which side has it. but honestly i prefer it to stay ps3 exclusive only for 1 reason which is like what you said. even now that FF gonna go multi it doesnt change my mind picking up the ps3 version over my 360. for one good reason at least i know i dont need multi disc to play it. but what i am disappointed is that FF is suppose to be another potential game that is suppose to fill up a dual layer blu-ray. but since its now going multi. even SE admitted that they gotta figure a way to fit the game due to medium difference. now it really highly turn me off in a way as i small water down version of the game is coming near us.
marionz  +   2336d ago
FF was designed with the cell in mind.....show me one game that has been doen with cell in mind that cant be doen on 360, hell devs still dont know how to get the most out of that and even if they did the ram would still restrict what they can do so dont use the old cell is god thing, anyway we will see when FF comes out, it will probably be the best looking game on ps3 so no reason to complaine aye? unless as most multiplat games do it looks better on 360's multiple discs ouch that would hurt
zo6_lover27  +   2336d ago
@ Marionz
I see you have no idea how the ps3's ram works, and yes, the GPU does have up to 512mb of ram, as does the CPU its just that it has two different kinds of ram, both 256mb and both shared between the CPU and GPU, but one type is mainly for the GPU and the other for the CPU.
marionz  +   2336d ago
what is this game anyway? never actually heard of it.

but yeah i guess ms should have thought of a better storage option when designing the 360 but nothing can be doen about that now, as ive said before i dont care about how many discs a game comes on aslong as the game is awesome, just played blue dragon and loved it, nearly finished first disc on lost odessey and enjoying that too.

so i guess if they get a third disc for this game the issue would be sorted? i dont know but im thinking if the game was THAT good wouldnt ms be going out of there way to sort out the problem?

probably be more big talk from a dev thats going to produce a golden turd
IzKyD1331  +   2336d ago
well, its coming from id software (DOOM, quake, wolfenstein guys) so im guessing its gonna be awesome
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TheColbertinator  +   2336d ago
@Marionz Shut your damn mouth.Thats John Carmack right there.One of the godfathers of videogaming and the creator of the First Person Shooter along with three highly suceesful and critically acclaimed franchises.
kazuma  +   2336d ago
John D. Carmack II (born August 20, 1970) is an American game programmer, and the co-founder of id Software. Carmack was the lead programmer of the id computer games Commander Keen, Wolfenstein 3D, Doom, Quake, and subsequent sequels to Doom and Quake.

this proves one of two points : that you're just a kid and never actually grew up playing wolfenstein, doom or quake, or that you're just ignorant about the people who actually make the games you play.
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mistertwoturbo  +   2336d ago
Thank you Steven.

Heck, I was a Kid who played doom online with a damn 14.4k Modem all the time. John Carmack is one of the pioneers of the video game industries, and changed it into what we know today. Without guys like this, we wouldn't have our Halos, Call of Duties, Killzones etc.
GIJeff  +   2336d ago
meh
i respect him, but hes a crazy old bat now, he should retire and stop making bad games. Quake4, Quake Wars....very bad games. RETIRE while you can afford it!
IzKyD1331  +   2336d ago
POG:

"this will only lead to better games on 360, the PS3 users are just lazy to switch the discs because the compression and the 2 DVDs and the.......360 FTW!"

oh wait, i dont see POG anywhere
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sushipoop  +   2336d ago
LMAO i'm sure he's watching over this right now not saying anything. crying to his mommy.
IzKyD1331  +   2336d ago
either that or dry humping his 360(we all know how much he loves that thing)
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SonySoldierEternaL  +   2336d ago
I often dry hump my PS3

=P
NegativeCreep427  +   2336d ago
Speaking of which...
Where is Pu$$y of Green???

Can't he come up with another baseless excuse for why this article is false and why the xbox 360 is the most advanced piece of hardware on the face of the planet. Well then I guess retards need to take a break every now and then also.
Orange  +   2336d ago
really? i wet hump mine. it requires a more reliable "towel trick" to get it back into tip-top shape.

also, if this game is requiring 16 GB compressed, exactly how much HDD space is MS planning to put in the 720, since digital distribution is the way of the future? I hope it's a couple of terabytes at least.
meepmoopmeep  +   2336d ago
i knew disc capacity would eventually be an issue.
but i thought it would have showed up nearing the end of this gen though.
meepmoopmeep  +   2336d ago
let me change that, can't edit it.

change from "near end" to "mid-gen".

definitely not 2 years into the gen.
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watchman  +   2336d ago
Wow, what a great way to sell the game to 360's owners. Good job John. Another thing I find funny, is it say's the game will look WORSE on 360 meaning the game does'nt look good but it will be worse on 360?
kingOVsticks  +   2336d ago
LOL
nothing gets pass you huh watchman?
badboy808  +   2336d ago
Why did id even say anything???
To my knowledge thier only talking about a graphical differnce and we all know it wont be major so why mention anything. It's something their not telling us
dktxx2  +   2336d ago
It might be a noticeable graphic difference. I don't think we've ever seen a game compressed to the point of actually making it worse, so Rage could be a major omen to MS if the graphics are significantly different.
meepmoopmeep  +   2336d ago
that's what i'm wondering... i mean how much damn compression does the game need that will make it significantly worse graphically?

this game better look better than KZ2 then.
Serg  +   2336d ago
Carmack likes to poke Companies on their failures, at least what he thinks are failures (I don't agree on his opinion regarding Cell).

He is about to become the pope of the video gaming business. The pope points at third world and the rich countires are pumping money in that direction...

Edit: @3.2, KillZone 2 is going to be bigger in size, 2 Gig for 1 level, polygon count on 1 face equals 1 map in KillZone 1, it is definatly going to be bigger. If it will look better? I don't know, but Carmack already admitted painfully that Tech 5 won't produce the best looking graphics when it comes out.
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HB-Sauce  +   2336d ago
S**ty deal for 360 owners.
mistertwoturbo  +   2336d ago
Well 360 owners can enjoy Blu-Rays too. One simple fix. Buy a PS3.
dkgshiz  +   2336d ago
well this is bound to happen in most games.
Every new game keeps needing more and more space. Thats why its pretty funny Microsoft never went with some better storage space. DVDs don't cut it for HD games. Almost every game dev agrees with that. Besides for some really super xbot game devs. The 360 is going to be screwed next year. I cant imagine how much space all those new 2009 games will need. Games now on average without being compressed are like 20gb if not more. Next year I bet games are going to be like 30gb or more. The 360 is pretty much the crippled step child of gaming. Prepare for 6-8 disks on average 360 users.
Aclay  +   2336d ago
I remember last year all those Xbox 360 fanboys were saying crap like, "Blu-ray isn't for games, Blu-ray is for movies", and now the fools who said that are eating their words.

Sony knew what they were doing when they put Blu-ray in the PS3. DVD is last gen, Blu-ray is the future. We were playing on DVD's last gen with the PS2 and Xbox, this is 7th generation now.
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Defectiv3_Detectiv3  +   2336d ago
DUUUUHHH
as if 7.5gb on a DVD9 is enough space.

"According to Carmack, the royalty fees to include a third disc in the Xbox 360 version would be so high that it simply isn't a feasible solution..."

It cracks me up that people are still waiting for a 360 version of MGS4. Let's see, 50gb at 7.5gb a disc, thats like 8 discs!

If you don't think DVD9 is hindering games just look at GTA. San Andreas and GTA4 were both on DVD9, yet SA had tons more content.
Serg  +   2336d ago
Although I agree, its 8.5 GB per DL-DVD, means almost 6 Xbox Games on 1 BluRay (8.5 x 6 = 51, 1 Gig wasn't able to make it), and considering BluRay can be scaled up to "unknown" size without adjusting hardware, MicroSoft is in trouble. Maybe they quit the console market in a few years and release 50 of the best games from the 360 era on 1 BluRay 400gb on the PS3 or something.
StrboyM  +   2336d ago
....
that would be around 3-4 disks depending on how much compression was used, the graphics and sound would take a hit, but the wouldnt need 7 disks. as is being stated above 2 disks with compression, without it would be around 4 or so
zo6_lover27  +   2336d ago
Yes, but you are forgetting that data that only needs to be put on one bluray will need to be on each seperate DVD, an example would be weapons, so a 360 version would actually use more than 50GB(uncompressed) of data
And like Serg said, their is an unknown limit to bluray, currently it is 400GB(16 layers) without the need for new hardware, and the drive in the ps3 is able to play those 400GB disks
Serg  +   2336d ago
Stuffing an obsolete drive in a console and calling it HD is the most shameless rip off IMO. PS2 games were using DVD9s even before Xbox360 came out and they weren't anywhere near HD. Sure some of the content were Making Ofs or similar, but it doesn't require the mind of a genius to forecast the need for more size, 1 level in KillZone 2 takes almost a quarter of a DVD9.
Jackthepwnsaur  +   2336d ago
I can already See Square Enix Gimping the hell out of FFXIII on the 360 version already just to save some cash
Shane Kim  +   2336d ago
Jackthepwnsaur

Truth of the day.
Orange  +   2336d ago
Serg: Kotaku writes "Hollenshead [of id]says that developers lose upwards of 2 gigs of space per a disc because of information Microsoft requires developers to put on the discs."

Redo the math. 6.5 x 8 = 52 gigs. 8 disks.
Polluted  +   2336d ago
Ouch! That's gotta sting. I imagine MS will pony up the dough for that third disc if that's going to solve the problem for them.
DJ  +   2336d ago
Microsoft charges extra royalties if you use more than one DVD?
WTF? And based off what Carmack is saying, it's definitely a LOT of money.
meepmoopmeep  +   2336d ago
wow, i never knew developers were charged royalties per disc.
and significant ones at that.
rhood022  +   2336d ago
That is exactly why I fear FF XIII will be ONE disk.
pwnsause  +   2336d ago
and thats why single disc is better than multiple discs, devs dont have to gimp their games if the disc is Huge, not to mention spend money. thats why Blu-ray is a format to use for everything. see how DVD is gimping everything?

That is the reason why I fear about FFXIII being gimped on the PS3 because they now have to make a game for the Lowest common denominator which is the 360. thus killing off the FF experience.
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bluecapone  +   2336d ago
everyone knew that space would be important
cmrbe  +   2336d ago
Now who said
Blu ain't needed?. Hearing this from one of the early PS3 bashers is quite extraordinary.
DJ  +   2336d ago
I know!
This is like Dennis Dyack coming out and saying "360 Blows", y'know?
AcidHorse  +   2336d ago
@ cmrbe
Exactly
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supergamer  +   2336d ago
OWNED!
TheColbertinator  +   2336d ago
Shame the 360 is having setbacks with Rage.John Carmack is one of the best developers and programmers in the business and hopefully Microsoft can give him a solution to storage problems.

Other than that another game will be added to my MAC portfolio.I got WoW,Guitar Hero 3,and Gears of War.This will be a fine addition to my blu-ray equipped MAC.If its delayed,PS3 version might be good.A new franchise from John Carmack on PS3.I'd never thought I would see the day.
IzKyD1331  +   2336d ago
why not get it on the PC...we all know its gonna look best on PC anyway
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TheColbertinator  +   2336d ago
True but my custom MAC is impressive.Gears of War looks and runs very smoothly.Besides I feel like giving PC some competition.I'm also planning to buy Call of Duty 4 on MAC.

One more thing,if there is a blu-ray MAC version,I will buy it.I dont have a Blu-Ray equipped PC so need to get 4 discs.

Rage FTW
beavis4play  +   2336d ago
i have a feeling this story isn't going away for a loooooooong time.
ELite_Ghost  +   2336d ago
pretty obvious, this is gonna happpen for every game in the
ELite_Ghost  +   2336d ago
future...
IzKyD1331  +   2336d ago
"the royalty fees to include a third disc in the Xbox 360 version would be so high that it simply isn't a feasible solution"

ouch, FF 13 is gonna be really pricey, 5 discs?
compression FTW!
Gitaroo  +   2336d ago
MS probably gave SQ some special deal or pay them enough so it wont even matter.
cahill  +   2336d ago
FF13 will be on multiple discs on x360
no doubt there

i just hope FF13 is not gimped on PS3 because of the X360 version
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