Times Online: "Sony, the Japanese electronics and entertainment titan, may be poised to lose its 13-year title as the world's biggest games console maker despite a surprise jump in profits at its Playstation division. "
do i see the wii as a agames machine?..no i see it as a device that has captured the spirit of casual gaming but to claim nintendo will dethrone sony is jumping the gun considering the ps3 is not even two years old in europe.
But sony will still remain the console maker with the most consoles in peoples homes. PS2 and the PS3. But for profit wise right now, hats off to the Wii and DS.
What goes up must come down. That applies to Sony, MS and Nintendo.
Once Digital Transition hits, the PS3's price drops, and more games are released, everyone will be wanting a PS3. Everyone will experience High Definition and will not want to go back to Standard 480 resolutions and be poised to buy a PLAYSTATION®3 for Blu-ray playback. Also, once the spread of genres in the PS3's library is extended, everyone will enjoy the games, including RPG, Shooters, Puzzles, Action, Adventure. But right now, the Wii is only selling well because of price, but does anyone really buy games? Nope, everyone likes them for Wii Sports and Wii Play, and then after that, it's untouched until friends come over.
Could you please enlighten us on why you do not think the Wii is a game machine........was the Atari a game machine? What do you think of games like Time Crisis and Virtua Cop that are played on "game machines"?
To be gaming king you need to make a game system. Once DVD is gone even families will realize that game system + blu ray = awsome deal. Who the hell gives the award and when is it on TV? Maybe ill watch this time >.> if there is no throne you cant dethrone anyone. Who the hell keeps approving stories like this anyhow there was story like this yesterday but it was playing the numbers game there is no need for duplicate stories.
not only in sales but in games... we all know the difference in games between the wii and ps2.. the ps2 has an overwhelming library or great games while the wii has like 5.... everything else is garbage... i'll be the first one to admit when the wii sells as much as the ps2 and it has games that i truly want to play... as of now.. the wii is has nothing... to even claim to be king.
All the PlayStation brand to dethrone Sony so this article fails it cant just take on the PS3 it would have to take on the whole PlayStation family!!.
Well i must admit as a PSP owner, Nintendo has taken over Sony's Handheld market.
conquered the handheld market that has always been nintendos bread and butter and always nintendos to lose which since the original gameboy the havnt yet sony have done well to get their foot in the hanheld market,but your comment really doesnt make any sense
Don't forget about that new motion-controller Sony is working on....we all know they've already planned to counter the Wii's crowd. Sony will start focusing more on those "stupid fun" games, just like the wii knows how to do it, but of course in 720p / 1080p. But Sony's got to move its arse pretty fast, because gosh they're slow! (releasing a bloody clock a year and a half after the console was released is...well...SODDING SLOW!)
I think its not possible at all. Wii apeals to casual gaming and the PS3 appeals to Hardcore gaming. 2 different marketting approaches. If anything (if not yet also) the Xbox 360 will dethrone Sony, which it already appears they are doing so.
by being outsold this year, and selling less on a yearly basis which is actually a proven fact? why bring 360 into a thread which didnt require it? your comment really doesnt make any sense
With stealing 3rd party games and not developing brand new IPs? Um...no.
I give Nintendo huge props for what they're doing now but I don't think that will actually happen. I wouldn't underestimate Sony at all.
It's amazing how much fight these companies have, who thought nintendo would be on top? I didn't even know...after I brought my wii to the dorms at school, 8-10 people I know have wiis now. It's crazy. I think sony can pull it off if they find somewhat different offerings that casuals and core players can play together. Little Big Planet is a good start.
Yeah, I think Sony can pull it off too. They started out slow, made some mistakes but they're learning from them. I never expected Nintendo would have been on top either. That's just...*whistles*.
Do core players play Singstar? That's a good casual offering. I myself like to karaoke.
analysts predicting how nintendo was going to go bankrupt and stuff when they revealed the wii...
Let's just say that sometimes human behavior is a bigger factor in play than numbers. Nintendo was trying to get rid of the psychological mindset that games are only for people like us. Now people can have fun. :)
Well Duh.Everyone knows Nintendo is gonna win.
shouldn't even be qualified in the console wars. They are approaching a different market, a market that sees video games as just another activity. Not to mention how cheap the console is.
but this is where many people get it confused. i can accept the casual fan of gaming to think nintendo is back on top. but alot of this comes from the so called experts of the field, and thats what confuses me. the wii is barely even on par with xbox 1 and ps2 in terms of power. and no where near ps2's library. nintendo knows they lost almost everything to sony, so very reasonably they went in search of a new market(of suckers)to sell to.REAL gamers would NEVER have a wii as their only console. it will always be a 2nd or 3rd option at best regardless of how well it sells. in the GAMING world with real gamers, the wii is a gimmick but does still carry the nintendo name. and some day nintendo could re enter the gaming arena and bless us with some classic gaming again. till then its ps360 for me. with a small side of wii every once in a while.
Well, it was inevitable, but let's look at all three systems. This is all personal opinion, but I'd like for people to add to it. I feel that the Wii has sold so well because of many factors. Yes, it is very casual, and it has capitalized on this market. But also it's very user friendly. It appeals to loyal Nintendo fans for their Zelda, Mario, Metroid, etc titles. And it applies to the masses for it's casual pick-me-up and play titles. (Wii sports, anyone?). Add to that the fact that it's the cheapest of the three and you have yourself a real contender. In this case, a leader. Sony is for the very hardcore. It's obviously the most expensive and it's titles are more adult oriented. When we look at MGS4 and other titles on the system, we can see it's not for the average pick-me-up-and play gamer. Also you lose a lot of the casual gaming you'd have with the wii. I know a lot of parents that purchased a wii for their children for it's simplicity and style and at a 400+ price tag for PS3, it makes more sense to just throw down for a wii and not a PS3. The 360 shares a lot of simliarities with the PS3. It's more hardcore and more expensive. It also has the Halo fanbase. With FFXIII coming it's way, it will have the most RPGs over any other system as of right now. It's been out longer than the PS3 and it has a good library of titles out currently as well. Back on direct topic: I feel that Nintendo will not pull ahead of Sony. Sony has a great lineup coming its way soon. The sales of the PS2 and PSP is what has kept Sony in the lead and with these new titles soon to release, the PS3 can only take off. It will stay ahead, but by how much, I'm not certain.
Without writting a huge responce I must just point out at least two glaringly wrong statements in your post! The Wii is not the cheapest console. Since the price cuts happened in europe early this year, you can pick up a 360 arcade pack for less than the cost of a Wii. The 360 is the cheapest console. Sony - very hardcore? Hardly! They occupy the middle ground, and that will become ever more apparent as the titles flow. Titles like Eye Toy, singstar and Buzz practically defined the casual gaming world until Nintendo re-invented it, and the platform specific PSN games have a lot of titles with really wide appeal too.You could see Microsoft desperately rushing out copies of these titles (you're in the moveies, lips, scene it) to try and grab some of that 'middle ground' back. The casual demographic market is so large, that its likely Nintendo will continue to dominate in terms of hardware units shipped. It will be interesting to see if that momentum continues with software sales, which are slightly less steallar.
Yes, I see what you mean. I, myself, don't find myself dropping a lot of money on casual PS3 games (singstar, buzz) so I almost completely forgot about them. The closest to causual games that I play are those on the PSN (PJ Monsters, Eden, SSHD). Good post, good show.
SFHD will never be a casual game. Did they make the controls easier? I'm really loving the Pixel Junk Monster's/Eden's soundtrack.
I think what is very important to realize the HDTV component in all this. Last I checked there is only about 25% penetration in the US. So it makes more sence to buy the wii if you don't have an HD TV. When HD becomes more of the standard then you will see the real battle between PS3 and 360. wii will be the console in the kids bedroom on the 20 inch standard tv with 5 party games. Personally I have my must buy list for the fall which includes 15 games before X-mas and 0 are for my Wii. thanks Reggie
it's gonna be ahead in sales for a while but that is just bound to happen because its cheaper... but this system will always have people that love it no matter what happens people will pay to fix whatever problems it might have because people like certain systems... through red and yellow lights people stick with there console of choice...
again.......do any of us really care about nintendo that much to care? frankly....if u think about it.......had the whole motion sensing thing flop...nintendo would have nothing....and i mean nothing to compare with the other consoles (yes....xbox included) except for their usual lineup of typical nintendo games i.e. zelda, mario etc....i think they just put this out at the right time but frankly speaking the lack of hardware proficiency caused the lower price...so those of us who care more about graphics, hardware capability and those things don't even count this as a true next-gen console.....they relied heavily on the gameplay aspect of things...so i don't think the wii is on top bcuz its a great console, but how the games and the console interact, if the wii had a slow start like the ps3 due to the lack of games ms would be on top right now....great timing and marketin on nintendos part but also a bit of luck i think.
Nintendo is good at what they do. They have been in the game as long as Sony if not a bit longer the fact remains selling 2 Wii's is like selling 1 PS3 While Nintendo has the casual market on lock down REAL gamers dont play it! Its a toy
It's a toy for casual gaming. But from a business perspective I guess you can say that. No doubt the Wii and DS are the fastest selling.
Have pushed game development back a good 5 years for everyone.
That's like saying Apple have pushed cell-phone development back a good 5 years with their iPhone.
@Jenzo No it's not, because the iPhone is technically advanced, henced "Advances foward" technologically. Makes sense? To keep it simple, your analogy sucks. However the Wii obviously doesn't push anything on the presentation front, but they did advance the way people think of video games. And come on HD, you have to give them credit for that. But digging into the future, who says they won't come out with an HD Wii? The excuse of poor graphics won't hold water anymore. The last straw would be a solid online network like PSN or as great as XBL.
The iPhone is only advanced in the sense that it has a multitouch screen. It sells on gimmick. It's missing out on a lot of key features that even budget cell phones have standard. It also has a nice web browser but phone functionality is first when I buy a cell phone.
But, I still think what I originally thought.
My analogy is fine. The Wii pushes videogame usability just like the iPhone pushes cellphone usability. The Wii = motion sensing, iPhone = touch interaction. The PS3 and the 360 play just like consoles have played for more than 20 years. HD graphics don't change the way the user interacts with the games. Prettier to look at but underneath that the way we interact with the games has not changed. If you are too narrow minded to see past graphics that's your problem, not mine. Btw, I prefer the PS3 and the 360 over the Wii. @jrome - Totally agree, it's nothing more than a flashy gadget.
140 MILLION ps2 units sold. No. Wii is not going to do that.
AWW...can't Micro$oft do it???????????? ;-D NOPE I can't see myself getting a Wii tho??? Not keen on jumping around my room like a Loony!!! ;-D
Dethrone? Why does everything have to be a contest. Yes they compete for the support of consumers to their product. Last time I checked that is healthy buisness. Maybe someone should step up and say that when a person "wins" the game is over. That's it. No more. There is no finish line in this "war" there is only compition.
Let me add a question to the mix.....at this current time, if we were to think about next generation consoles.......what company would probably garner greater attention and interest? I would bet on Nintendo for the simple fact that people will want to know how Nintendo follows up with the Wii. This reminds me of the movie Gladiator...while he was not necessarily on the throne, having the hears of the fans made him greater...and in a since, the taking of power and perception was a dethroning.
Eventually, we will be in a time where there won't be just one dominant console maker. Each company will have there own place in the market, and the playing field will be more level than in previous years. Competition will be better, and is getting better, and will hopefully push Micro, Nintendo, and Sony to put out even better products and games to really set themselves apart. Which will be a win for everyone.
[email protected] anyone who thinks SOny is still King. NIntendo owns the Market right now and has for 2 years with the Wii and the DS. Sony's market share is nothing what it was 5 years ago. You kids can talk about the PS2 til the end of time when its convenient for you but when people bring up the PS2 libary and how full of crap it was, you guys think its not worth bringing up.. PS2 yesterdays news. If past accomplishemnts insure success then Nintendo never lost the crown to begin with.. oh but I bet you SOny fans will have issue with that. Its ok for you to say Sony is King based off past glory but dont let anyone say that about another company. Sony fans are getting more pathetic and desperate with every exclusive lost.
I'm sure everyone who owns a Wii, also owns a PS3 or 360 to go with it. Nintendo and Sony/Microsoft kinda have different objectives. I don't see why both Nintendo and/or Sony/Microsoft can't win 'together. I'm sure every gamer knows that the Wii is not for the avid gamer. The consumer base for casual gamers is incredibly higher compared to avid gamers, so sales will make a difference and consoles in this gen will appeal to different kinds of gamers. Also, although you're masking it behind the word "fan" Only a 'Fan'boy calls another person a 'Fan'boy" - no need to use condescending tone to mask your bias. You're just as bad as any of us.
I can see how this article could predict such a thing. However one thing I saw that they never mentioned was how 'cheap the consumer is'. All they talk about is movies and statistics, by which in this game of business is irrelevant and a total waste of words and space. The end result is that people will buy the system that's teh cheapest and the biggest bang for the buck. The Wii is pretty damn cheap, and therefore people will flock to it. The Wii also is backwards compatible with 100% of Gamecube games, controllers, and memory cards; a bigger reason why the upgrade won't be costing migrating GC owners hundreds to replace their accessories. However, strictly speaking from a gamer's perspective, they'll be a time where casual-turned avid gamers will realize that Nintendo's games just don't provide the high-def excitement the other consoles provide. That's the reason I have both the PS3 & Wii now. If Nintendo plays its cards right with Wii-Motion Plus, and every single developer hops on the bandwagon, then that's probably one prediction that might keep all the gameplay fresh. Because when you stop and think about. Most Wii games are either this. "wiggle" "Waggle" "Shake" "Thrust" I'm sure people bought Wii-Sports because they actually thought they were controlling the tennis player, when it reality, it was all a set of pre-rendered motions. Wii-Motion Plus is Nintendo's big trump card at getting the avid gamers into the void. Although the business analysis looks good on paper for Nintendo; you cannot deny that casual gamers also look for the next "big thing". People don't buy the cheapest car; they buy the most cost-effective one with great gas mileage.
I have to give when credit is due.. The brains behind the Wii strategy did a hell of a job. -I still will never buy one though
yea the wii dethroned sony id love to see u explain that when the wii went for a completely different audience then sony they made a new market of people who DONT play games do u see ps3s at retirement homes no so the wii has sold alot and done well but its obvious they are not in compition
people always mention the ps2 to 'back up' the sony is king argument, but if thats the case then you would have to take the game boy and ds machines into account. nintendo win. i don't think nintendo will get the credit they deserve for the wii and titles like wii sport and wii fit until a few years time. they are taking gaming into a new era, sure it is 'basic' right now but this is the template that future games will be built on. first wii motion plus, then etc etc. people are just too short sighted to see the importance of the wii. thank you nintendo for moving things foward!
So the wii is moving things forward? I think off to the side and backwards some is more approiate.
you think nintendo is the winner of the console war??? http://nintendoe32008.ytmnd... Lest We Forget 7/15/08
lose its title like come on, it makes sense. lol and no im not a fanboy but im just saying sony has brought alot to the table that i dont think MS or nintendo can bring to the table what sony brought to the table
well i think we all should head Nintendo the crown for being the undisputed winner of this generation! As for Sony... well next time i think they will learn from the mistakes they have made and put up a fight against Nintendo and Microsoft. And to those of u who are loyal Sony fans and still deluding that Sony is somehow "winning"..get a grip on your self! The biggest delusion a human can indulge himself into is to deny for being in a state of delusion! Peace out from Osama Bin Laden jr;)
I have to laugh at this... BLuetooth is 5 years ago? Wifi is 5 years ago? Of course not its just really lame fanboy excuses from Sony fans with an IQ of less than 15. Please dont ever change. KNowing that there are people in this world that are really that dumb makes my day. KNowing I can come to N4G to see people without any type of clue talking about things they dont understand brightens my day. Please fanboys feel free to disagree but dont dare comment or try to prove me wrong. You wouldnt be the laughing stock of gaming if Sony fans used things like facts to back up their claims.. Much better to just disagree without proof and keep living with your head in the sand. Anyone that talks about what real gamers play isnt one. It's funny because Sony fans are the most casual yet they claim they cant stand casual games. Continue to play Singstar and think your hardcore. Not like you live in reality anyway
nobody said sony caters only to hardcore gamers, their casual as well...but could u somehow imagine something like, mgs4,halo3, hell.....even gears and fable being played on the wii?......3mf buttons man????.....it won't happen and yes,nintendo made their console for the ppl who know their stuff but moreso for kids and females..so no....we're not entirely hardcore but if u own a wii(im pretty sure u do), besides zelda,metroid,and mario.....what else is "hardcore?"......oh wait....i know...u'll be that guy breaking a sweat playing wii music.
motion sensing has added nohting to gaming at all and if nintendo wins then us (hardcore gamers) are gonna lose out yea the wii is cool to have fun for a bit with some friends but if i wanna play a real game i will alwyas go to my ps3
What about right now lol. "do i see the wii as a agames machine?..no" your kidding right nintendo has alots of games, and sony has non so what do you thing it is. "Don't worry Once Digital Transition hits, the PS3's price drops, and more games are released, everyone will be wanting a PS3." Umm no they wont that was said years ago, so face it sony is dead.
"Nintendo is good at what they do. They have been in the game as long as Sony if not a bit longer " Nintendo have been in the game twice as long as Sony with regards to videos gaming........the only company with a heritage as rich as Nintendo are Sega. Sony are still the new kids on the block to some extent but are doing very well.
motion control has captured millions of peoples imagination (if wii sales are anything to go by.) metroid prime 3 showed that motion control can be incorporated into 'serious games,' and mario kart (although silly) showed what else can be done. just imagine motion plus. just use your imagination. nintendo took a massive gamble and it paid off, they should be given credit for that. there will always be a place for the traditional control method but i think the motion control direction is more exciting (the potential).
Besides the fact that Nintendo has been in the console business for 5 generations and Sony has only been in it for 3, Sony still has over 150 million PS2's in peoples houses, and it is still selling 250,000+ a month.
I don't care who is winning but the hardcore gamers have to buy more games seriously. I mean the financial report for the big companies reads like an HD gaming blood bath. Take two almost made nothing off GTA4 due to them backing other games that flopped. I can understand MS and SONY loosing money but the publisher should be sitting pretty right now. As much hype about this is the PS3's year I'm not seeing the game sales. All I here is a bunch of waiting for the next big thing then hardly any of you buy it even though it is rated as a prefect game. Lots of games are coming out but I only here you guys talking about games that will not come out till spring. I mean the hardcore is bashing the hell out of the casual but they don't even care and while the hardcore are bashing they are not putting their money where their mouth is. PS3 sales should not be behind the Wii at all. If 19 million hardcore gamers bought the PS3 then why aren't the prefect games with 10 reach 8 million in sales at least? Let me just say the market will abandon you if you keep being picky. This is what happened to the 2d shooters, fighter, and lots of other game types from the 16bit age. People just got way to picky.
Stop with this whole casual crap. You know half the ps3 owners own wii's. Sony will not even come close to nintendo this gen. Who ever said they are not in competition is right and wrong. He is right for the fact that wii crushed ps3 so bad this gen that they are not in competition. To say ps3 and wii are not in competition is ridiculous. They are both gaming systems that play games and their first priorities should be games. Sony is the system that's destroying gaming by bringing in the whole multi-media garbage. You guys will see all of this look at the graphics obsession will ruin gaming consoles. What I love about sony is they always strive for the customer, but sometimes over doing things like adding in a bunch of tech in a console destroy's it's original purpose.
Very true Very true my friend. But they have to ride this out now it's too late to turn back. Certain games may not make it to the box because of it's price but catering to the niche hardcore is what killed PC gaming. These guys want the fastest video cards more extra stuff and they need online gaming. They don't care about gaming's history or what it use to be. To forget your past leads to you repeating your mistakes or even worst loosing your future. SONY has been reduced to fighting a symbiotic rival which is MS. They are leveraging every thing they can with out the things that matter to the majority. I hope they beat MS but I'm wondering how when their current 1st party line is more of the same. They will make some money but eventually even the niche hardcore that they are selling to will get bored.
no worries for microsoft
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