Via CVG: Europe makes up "less than a quarter" of Xbox Live's total membership, mostly down to language differences, Euro Xbox VP Chris Lewis has revealed in the latest Edge.
.... oh really? The article brings up some good points. Another factor, I feel, though is the pricepoint for what the service provides. The service is relatively less in comparison to that of America for a similar pricepoint.
XBL annual membership is 60 euros in Europe and 50$ in the US. I feel cheated
thats how much on USD??? like 90$??
Just look out on ebay. I got my last 12 months membership for 25€ (look out for offerings in the USA, those are cheaper (about 30€), but don't forget to ask if the code will work in Europe too) . No shipping, got the code via email. Buying those cards in stores is far too expensive (compared to ebay)
The difference of prices is very drastic comparing Europe and US, so is not similar!...60 Euros is really a lot of money to pay for Xbox Live, and the service is nothing comparing to Us just like you said! So Im not surprised whith this situation! To Tomdc "i hate french and spannish people online" - Don't really understand what you want to transmit to us whith this statement!
Everything in Europe costs more. The price of gasoline is horrific. The flip side of everything costing more in Europe is the average income is much higher than the States also. If you average it out, the cost of living compared to annual income is probably the same, but with inflated incomes comes inflated retail prices. It's funny because Americans would love to make what most Europeans make and Europeans want to pay what Americans pay. :) -Death
You also can get deal's on amazon.com i have gotten my last 2 year's of live for 39.99 from there.
I understand that. I reckon Australia gets it even worse. We are paying around 65USD for the Live access. Our internet infrastructure is crap. There is no way we will be able to watch HD movies on the go, while considering that our major ISP, Tesltra, in Australia, Charges 89AUD for 25GB on a 1.5mb ADSL connection, with a extra 35AUD on top for Line rental. I am not going to be able to stream those movies even If I wanted to!
..What is the Euro store missing over there?
... maybe if they'd bring the euro price down to a fairer and more realistic 30 euro, and improve quantity of the online content, we would see an increase of people opting for a gold-membership!
think people overhere dont care for online as much as in Anglo Saxxon territories. Maybe cultural....? The UK and USA always seem to be on the same track while France , Germany , Spain , Itamy seem to be "disconnected"
It's too expensive in europe, and charges too much for the content it offers. Never underestimate the 'turn off' power of hearing 100's of teenage americans screaming obscenities and yelling 'BO YA!' as they camp on a spawning spot. That the UK makes up the bulk is no suprise, we suck up any sh*t the US feeds us (much to my dismay), but the rest of europe won't go for it unless they see value. Language is not the huge barrier that people make it out to be, most europeans speak english better than I do, and happilly consume english language films without an issue. Its shame really, as the online console space should genuinely feel like an international affair rather than a US teenage party that your gatecrashing, but I can't see it changing unless they change their stratagey and pricing policy...
Your posts are always the same , trollish kind of posts.I remember you dissing the Too Human demo...the thing is you actually never played it because you were complaing about stuff that actually werent even in the demo and cant remeber who but some one proved it and you never came back to that thread... Same goes for the Star Ocean 4 threads , You were always saying they arent in game becaue youre a 3d expert bla bla bla...did you check the last trailers ? Yeah , all in game... And thats not all...theres alot more stuff like that.To all non europeens : I live in France o Im know what Im talking about moreover the French are the non english who have the best english in EU...and the english cinemas overhere are always EMPTY and englsih films NEVER subtitles in French NEVER pass on TV since you can be sure nobody will be watching them simply because the people are speaking in English Why do people troll...? Language : All you have to do is press mute on the game.90% of Europeens have only VERY basic english skills. "most europeans speak english better than I do, and happilly consume english language films without an issue." That is just one HUGE HUGE HUGE lie.nuff said.Not even going to bother using arguments...thats how huge of a lie that is. To all non europeens : I live in France o Im know what Im talking about moreover the French are the non english who have the best english in EU...and the english cinemas overhere are always EMPTY and englsih films NEVER subtitles in French NEVER pass on TV since you can be sure nobody will be watching them simply because the people are speaking in English
Yes La Chance why do people troll?
titntin might be negative from time to time but he is far from being a troll. Nobody knows trolling better than you bud, that is obvious in many if not all of your posts. Just clicking on the last few days worth of posts by you it is evident that you are the pot, trying desperately to call the kettle black. As for the issue at hand, I say price and language has most to do with it. Also the idea that casual gamers do not play online much and at this point, the casuals are buying the 360 since it is hitting a lower price. Not as low as it needs to get to hit up the majority of the casuals but it is definitely being looked at by the folks who do not want to spend much on HD gaming. They are also the ones that could care less about online gaming and more than likely do not even have internet.
La Chance.. please tell me you are kidding. I guess it takes one to know one.
Hey look who talking - you're one of the biggest trolls on the site and people only need to view your posting history to see the truth of that. As for the too human comment, I believe I mistakenly mentioned you couldnt' skip the cutscenes. It was because I had read it in a preview before the demo, and assumed I couldn't skip 'em while playing. Thats not trolling, thats merely being mistaken. I also mentioned that I'd buy the game, I just need confirmation it was more than 10 hours in length - thats not dissing. You are completely wrong about the Star ocean 4 threads, where I quite plainly explained to people why the shots WERE in game shots. In your pathetic little world of 'US or THEM' I was actually working on your 'side' in that particular debate. I offered my advice at the time as I've been creating art for video games for 16 years now and felt I could offer some more insight into the issue than the procrastinations of you feeble machine frothers. When I referred to Europeans I resisted the urge to put 'except for the French'. It's completely true that in France they are exceptionally protectionist about their language and are more resistant to using English than any other European country, to the point of passing laws banning the use of English in lots of places. This is true. But its not true of all the other countries in Europe, who consume a large variety of English language products. I'd despise all French if it weren't for the fact I married a French women... In short, you've written the kind of purile half witted nonsensical trolling claptrap we can all expect from you - you have a history of writing utter BS all over this forum, and I wish you, and the other puerile kiddie war followers, would all just go and die in a hole somewhere.. leave the place for those of us interested in games.
OH MY GOD ! Now thats the worst...The french are actually the europeens who speak english the best in EU. despite the fact that they speak the best english they still dont watch films in English etc.Now just imagine whats its like in countries that dont speak English as well as the French... You are talking about something you dont have a clue about...I dont understand why ??????????????? Why are you persisting ??????? So you were going to put "except for the french" ? On the contrary , the most open to english products ARE the french. You know what I dont care if somebody is a fanboy.I dislike FAKE people like you. And oh please , Im not the only one who realised your numerous "mistakes" when talking about 360 games and you know it. Geez ,why am I even talking to you. @tintin below : lol , because acting like youve played a game just to bash it when in fact youve never played tha game is useful to this site...right ? Doing things like that is just going down to droid level. Wont see me wasting my time doing childish things like that. Funny im the kid... ...oh and you know when people talk about EU they are in 90% of the time talking about UK , France , Germany , Spain and Italy.You know sice EU is so big they talk about the countries they always talk about the big five.
Get out of it kid - half my immediate family are french, so don't go telling me whats what. I'm persisting because the patheticness of your comments and their total irrelevance to this site or its readers needs highlighting so we can all remove your ability to post here. You add nothing and are a stain on the site. ...oh and its common knowledge that the Dutch are by far the best non native english speaking nation, closely folowed by the Scandanavian counties. Not the French.
"OH MY GOD ! Now thats the worst...The french are actually the europeens who speak english the best in EU." LaChance, I've visited many countries in Europe (I'm european) and I lived in both Portugal and Finland (I'm still living in the last one) and I can assure you that the French speak HORRIBLE english and that's when they actually speak it at all. As for them refusing to watch english movies, etc, well, sorry if I offend anyone, but from my experience the french are the most pedantic of the european peoples, so thats why. Fortunately not all french are like that, just like not all americans are a bunch of ignorants who ellect people like Bush. With that said, I'm back to work.
I paid $70AU about $65 US for xbox live membership. in AUS we get no video marketplace, no inside xbox, are ineligle for most of the tournaments and competitons and of course there are no aus dedicated servers for any game that provides them. we also pay comparitvely more for MS points and some arcade games and dlc arent released here. Come next dashboard update i would bet the farm that Aussies wont be able to join netflix or the online gameshows, so basically all we would get are a cartoon for a gamerpic. LIVE needs to work on their value equation for other regions. Still leaps and bounds ahead of PSN for content though, even in PAL territories which is why i am still a subscriber.
I am willing to put money down that we wont get the netflix access.
Do you see me in PS3 only articles ?????? When an article is about lest say Resistance 2 AND gears 2 then maybe you'll see me.98% of the time Im in articles that concern both PS3 and 360 or 360 only.You wont see me lieing Ive played "insert name here" ps3 game so I can troll about it like for instance Tintin does.That is what I call trolling. IM almost NEVER post in PS3 only articles.Maybe back earlier on in the year but I maid it almost a "policy" to never be in PS3 only articles ? Why ? Simply because it spoils the whole thing for those who are concerned and that Im not concerned so its none of my business. I bet if you check my post history like you said slim daddy It'll be hard to find me trolling in PS3 only articles.
Second comment I clicked on in your post history was in a PS3 only thread http://n4g.com/NewsCom-1726... The fact is this is at least your second account as people rightly removed your bubbles for being such an insufferable troll... I don't expect this account will last much longer as you continue to post rubbish trolling and pick fights with people who are genuinely posting valid opinions. I despise you and everything about you. The fact is with this artcle is that a suprisingly small number of europeans use 'live'. I think its overpriced, as do many others, and if that infurates you, simply beacuse I don't spend all day sucking at the teat of MS - I'm actually glad! 360 is grea,t and live is still best of breed, its just expensive in europe, and it should be free.
do have aproblem with lies ?That thread is almost 10 days old so that couldnt be the 2nd comment you found in my post history because I must have posted at least 100 coments since that day.And is THAT trolling.I was responding to somebody who brang up the 360. So why are you lieing ???????? To prove youre right ? Stooping down to that level ??? Lieing ???. "I despise you and everything about you." I hate it when you troll in 360 news like you do in Star Ocean 4 or Too Human for instance but I dont have any hate for you nor anybody on N4G. And FYI I dont have a Live subscription ? Why ? Price ! and dont care about online. @tintin below : if you check them out im almost always replying to somebody who brings up the 360 and like I said i dont troll in them.Since you took the time to check my post history Im sure you realised that.All you do is complain in 360 threads , complain and complain.WHY DONT YOU DO THE SAME IN PS3 THREADS ???!!!Oh yeah..let me guess..theres nothing to complain about... So now go back to playing that Too Human demo...If you actually have it... Not wasting anymore time with you.
No I have a problem with liars - pathological ones like you. you said "Do you see me in PS3 only articles ?????? " I clicked two posts at random from your history and the second one was in a PS3 only article. So yes, we do see you there, and you are lying for saying you are not. I'm stupid enough to respond to your pathetic posts, but not to stoop to lying. I don't troll anywhere. I post my comments and views. I own use and enjoy all machines and develop games for all platforms too. I will post where I please, and at times I will post stuff I dislike too. I reserve the right to have a view on things I play and use. The fact that it offends true kiddie warriors like you is a bonus.
ill say that you have improved with the comments of late but you used to sound like a kid when you joined up or when i first noticed you. Ill forgive the past an all that but to call others trolls is a tad rich. Sometimes im not sure what angle tin tin is coming from because he's quite balanced in his views and comments. Im sure he prefers the ps3 but that doesn't make him or anybody else a troll. chill out. @ tintin you have to admit that pharell has improved despite him trying to call you out. "I'd despise all French if it weren't for the fact I married a French women... " rofl oxy
Q: why's that? A: Europeans don't want to have anything whith X360! Playstation Rules in Europe!
"think people overhere dont care for online as much as in Anglo Saxxon territories. Maybe cultural....? The UK and USA always seem to be on the same track while France , Germany , Spain , Itamy seem to be "disconnected" " That isnt true actually. The video store in the US has over five times the content. It gets better demos and earlier demos. Most games also prioritise in selecting an american host for multi player games.
So XBL, as the 360, are only in the majority here in the states? That's actually quite funny. Funny because to hear "gamers" talk, Microsoft is dominating everywhere. Nice to hear a MS exec state otherwise.
60 euros is freakin 93 bucks!
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