TTZ: The Wii was brilliant and the Wii U was just average. What can Nintendo do next to save them from being another Sega?
Wii U could have been a game changer if Nintendo used better hardware.
Nintendo has been warned once by gamers when their "under powered over priced" strategy with the 3DS backfired and more people were returning 3DS than buying them until they were forced to slash the price. Yet they were too stubborn and "Oops I did It Again!" with the Wii U. Will they do this again with the NX? Promising next gen hardcore gaming experience without no experience on HD game development on 6 year old console gaming technology was suicide. I hope their new leaders learn from their past mistakes. Fans really need to be honest with Nintendo and talk man to man if Nintendo is even willing to listen and act upon their needs. We will talk about Nintendo's success if they really begin to take the hobbyist gamers, the 37 year old gamer, seriously and not just target little children.
I do not recall hearing anything about 'more people returning 3ds than buying'. Relatively slow sales, yes. Returns due to price? No. You are implying the slow sales of the 3ds were because of power and that Nintendo could have drastically increased the power of the Wii U in about a year's time. I see no facts to back this up, just hyperbole. Implying they will do this with the NX (which, I am getting tired of pointing out, we know NOTHING about), insulting their experience in HD, facetious 'hope for the future', etc. I see no evidence for any of your views and you present your opinions as established facts. The only one I will address is your assumption that they target little children. I contend that they target everyone. What prevents you from having just as much fun with a Mario game as with a Call of Duty game besides your own childish notion of what it means to be an adult? Family friendly does not equate to 'little kids'.
At sylth01 Making it all up,eh? Seriously? Here,facts from Nintendo Everything: From the mouth of Mr. Iwata himself: http://nintendoeverything.c... http://mobile.geek.com/late...
@moto Source 1, single quote, You do realise that all game consoles target kids too right? They were big targeting core gamers at wii U launch. This is iwata saying they will diversify since their Mature efforts seemed not as successful. Source 2: That was one month. Now they only fill up the shops because everyone is upgrading to new 3ds. Who Cares. Context is good. Or should i bring up Hannah montana psp? How about this link? http://www.hardcoregamer.co...
* Your all not looking at it how we should IMO. * WHATEVER it is, it will be more powerful than the Wii U = FACT. Just that alone, makes a ton of complaints about the system go away over night. like instantly. * 3rd party dev's can't complain about it not being able to compete at the PS4/xb1's level. * It will be the new console on the block, which will always get interest from gamers and media a like. I was fine with the Wii U for what it was/is, but it's not getting those 3rd party games and it needed that. The NX will be getting 3rd party. IF Square Enix of all people are considering putting Dragon Quest 11 and FF14 on NX, then the NX must at least be powerful enough to showcase it and run it. I would guess then that the NX is at least as powerful as the PS4, which means it's powerful enough to allow dev's to make games on it and be ambitious with their ideas whilst not having to hold themselves or their games ideas back. * The NX can only be a good thing.....can ONLY be an improvement over the Wii & Wii U. No matter what it is......the specs will be greater than Wii U's = Instantly appeals to gamers. * Nintendo's games look beautiful on the Wii U....the ones they made at least. This means that Nintendo's IP's a long with 3rd parties also will look better than the Wii U games do now. * Super Mario 3D World & Mario Kart 8 are really beautiful games to look at. ^ NX games are going to look BETTER than that. That is enough right there for me to purchase it, let alone all the other features it will include that we don't know of. * Ship it with a Wii U Pro Controller type of controller ( but obviously upgraded), and it's all good.
"WHATEVER it is, it will be more powerful than the Wii U = FACT." The problem with that statement is that the Wii U was more powerful than the Wii as well, but when it launched they were still a generation behind. For the Wii U to succeed with third parties it needs to be more powerful than the current systems and sorry I just don't see that happening. "IF Square Enix of all people are considering putting Dragon Quest 11 and FF14 on NX, then the NX must at least be powerful enough to showcase it and run it." Who says that the NX is getting the same version as the PS4? It could be the 3DS version as far as we know. Also FF14 is out on the PS3 already. This tells us absolutely nothing.
The Kinect and Move didn't have limited success as the article suggests. Both devices sold 25+ million each, which is more than 25% of the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 userbase respectively. Many major add-ons don't reach that wide a market. They were both reflectively successful enough for their successors to incorporate their tech. Since each were superior to Wiimote even with the MotionPlus add-on, its no wonder that Wii sales took a nosedive in 2011 onward. I really don't think that just building a powerful console with parity to their competitors is enough to put it on top as the article suggests. Sony and Microsoft are known to aggressively make exclusive deals with third parties. Nintendo would have to be as aggressive in getting similar third party deals as well as trying to convince core gamers to give up their digital libraries, Achievements/Trophies, friends list, controllers, multimedia functionalities and migrate over to their console. That is too tall an order. Even if their next console has parity it'd be hard trying to convince gamers from purchasing it on PS4, X1, and PC and instead buy it on NX, a console that'd be outdated an quickly replaced by the time 9th gen systems roll around. Wii was very successful in its heyday, but being one generation behind its competitors looks to have done more harm than good in the long term plan for Nintendo.
Actually Sony only has the Move at shipping 15 million not 25+ as you stated. The kinect and wii ballance board are the 2 most successful add on devices of the 7th generation. If Nintendo can get most of the important 3rd party games their next console will look miles better than the WiiU has. The NX won't be nearly in the same position either, because both the PS4 and XbOne just released a short while ago. Neither Sony nor Microsoft are going to chop off their current success to start talking about new hardware anytime soon. I just wish people would wait and see what Nintendo announces this NX to be. If they believe that they have a chance to sell 20 million in the first year after the WiiU's troubled situation. Then obviously they feel there's something great in the making at Nintendo...
Nothing can be done at this point. Their best hope is in the NX and I really really hope they have learnt from past mistakes. Big if
I've owned every major Nintendo console since the SNES, neither has been a 'mistake', sorry. Your idea (I think) is to have the NX near indistinguishable from both Sony and Microsoft consoles, both in terms of hardware and games...nightmare! Ever consider Nintendo is a breath of fresh air to many?
But why not have better hardware to allow the third parties to Dev for it (that means more games which is never a bad thing) as well as keeping the same exclusives?? It doesn't have to be an either or.
Use 'better' hardware, use 'better' hardware, use 'better' hardware, blah, blah, blah! Pish posh. The Wii - compared with both PS3 and 360 - was way below in processing and megahertz, didn't stop it being a massive success and capturing the imagination. Besides, if the most cutting edge tech was key, most would not own a PS4 or XB1 but a high end PC. It's about brand loyalty - stupidity. The WiiU has at its disposal a wealth of great games, many GOTY contenders/winners, a lot game of this gen (thus far) contenders. People (in my opinion) are sold by the latest instalment in a 3rd party franchise. The fact Nintendo and the WiiU doest get these games puts it out of the game in moat peoples minds. Sad really, because look past that it's still Nintendo pushing some incredible games/experiences.
The Wii had some great games but most of them were rubbish. The WiiU is pretty much relying on exclusives at this point. In order for the NX to succeed Nintendo needs ten times the 3rd party support that they currently have, and a more robust multiplayer network.
This I don't understand. Yes, the Wii had its fair share of bad games, as did PS3 and 360 lest we forget. Why focus on that side of the fence however? I wont list them all as it would takeam age, but i had roughly 40-50 Wii games (retail) and absolutely none of them 'filler'/ a lot of which were some of the best games i played that gen across the board.
I can agree. I think the Wii U missed its chance at being the console which can have the more "mature" games and not feel out of place. The funny thing about the Wii is that to a degree, it achieved it, shovelware and hardware limitations notwithstanding.
First of all, I read the article, and it's a bit shallow. Nintendo doesn't need saving. They had losses, sure, but they also have a stash of backup cash from the Wii. It'll take more than the WiiU to sink them. The Wii was successful partially due to their great first-party games, and partially due to the discovery that kids had an affinity for silly minigames, which of course brought about an influx of me-too shovelware. Nintendo's strategy did not change with the WiiU - the paradigm of casual gaming did. It shifted to phones and tablets, as the big Christmas gift for kids was no longer a Nintendo 64, it was an Apple iPad or a Kindle Fire. Also, Minecraft. Therefore, you wind up with a console trying to be the HD Wii, but it can't make the console sales figures it used to make. The non-Nintendo market shifted to mobile, and Nintendo game fans alone couldn't shift that many units. Add the complete bungle that was the Gamepad, which was underutilized and kept the cost of the console up past its prime, and you've got a lukewarm system. I kinda see the WiiU as this generation's Dreamcast. Yes, there were some bad ideas. Yes, the market left them behind. However, the best games that did come out, mostly first-party in the case of the WiiU, were stellar, especially 3D World and Splatoon (which I see as the multiplayer spiritual successor to Jet Set Radio, not SO). Here's hoping they make some business-sense next time. They do not need a ton of third-party support, nor do they need to be yet another iteration of the current consoles. They need to be different, and aim for a different market. A Netflix of classic Nintendo games would be amazing, as would a portable/TV hybrid system instead of fragmentation among portable and home consoles. Imagine if the 3DS library and the WiiU library were the same - we'd be singing one heck of a different tune.
I would also point out that ninty is making money now. The Wii U is turning a profit and is still selling consoles. That means that the huge pile of cash you mentioned is getting bigger and their mobile market is full steam ahead. I do not forsee any trouble for Nintendo at all and this DeNA deal coupled with Amiibos and 3DS is only going to line shareholders pockets with more and more cash. Why cant people who like Nintendo just be left alone and the people who dont do the leaving alone. Like a diehard PS fan would buy a Nintendo console anyway. Most of those types of people do nothing but downplay and ridicule the cute and fun nature of Ninty exclusives. I do believe that Nintendo will not last forever resting on their laurels and unique gameplay experiences. If anything they will need to start getting some third parties involved because their lead developers are getting older and wont live forever. Name one lead developer at Nintendo that is iconic right now with their game designs besides the guys who have been there for ages. It is hard. The guys who made Mario, Zelda, Star Fox, Kirby, Yoshi, Samus, and Smash Bros are a dying breed. Who will keep up that level of quality when they are gone? Third parties have to be involved and or be aquired by Nintendo at some point so that the Nintendo dream can continue.
Nintendo does not need saving. Another flamebate article. Nintendo is actually doing better in more areas of its game business than anyone. Software - Number 1 Handheld - Number 1 Toys to life - Number 1 Hardware sales are the one thing they are not perfect in and they need saving? Come on.
Nothing they don't need saving. Though the WiiU hasn't done that well they have had a monopoly on the handheld market for almost thirty years and a shedload of money in the bank. Finanacially they're actually in a much safer position than Sony are. Creatively they've got the most critically acclaimed exclusive line up of all the current gen consoles. So what exactly are they being saved from. They're nothin like SEGa they have a strong cohesive corporate structure the left hand knows what the right is doing and they're about to release a new machine that i have a feeling will up end the apple cart all over again.
They need to look back at Snes library and get a hint
No. The Super NES's library was good for its time. Nintendo needs to look forward and let the chips fall wherever they may on 3rd-party support.
they can get a hint and transform that for modern times.
The WiiU tried to get by without a major new fully 3D Zelda game or Mario platformer. The name also hung on to former sales glories. The tech would have been really good in about 2009. Mind you, the original Wii's tech never really seemed massively great. Lightning doesn't strike twice when things change so little in the games without having some of the more popular series as well. Would it have killed them to have released Luigi's Mansion : Dark Moon on the WiiU?
"The WiiU tried to get by without a major new fully 3D Zelda game or Mario platformer." Mario 3D World does not count why? Because it goes against your ridiculous position?
It is not a ridiculous position. Compared to Mario 64, Super Mario Sunshine or Super Mario Galaxy where you can adjust the camera, Super Mario 3D World is not a FULLY 3D Mario platformer. It can be called a 3D Mario platformer certainly. But FULLY as in the Mario 64 sense of the word? No. That's why I used the word fully. You're just rude. By the way, I don't even mean to imply that Nintendo were so wrong to release it instead of a FULLY 3D game. The game sold very, very, well compared to how many people own a WiiU. But is it the killer game that people will buy a system just to play? To WiiU owners (and me) it is but not enough to others it seems.
Now I think you are a joke. Having a fully 3D Camera does not mean the Mario on Wii U was not any more substantial or just as good. Thank god you do not work for Nintendo.
You have more control of the camera on Mario 3D World than you did on the Galaxy games. I've played all of them to death, and you, sir, are wrong. Mario 3D Word is, in fact, a major 3D Mario platformer.
Even New Super Mario Bros U was major
@RPGrinder: I love New Super Mario Bros U, but I think the dude was specifically talking about 3D Mario games.
Well you might regard it as major. I might regard it as major. But I can see why some would regard it more like a 3D version of what the 2D games felt like. To all who clicked disagree on my comments, why no care that my comments are tempered by my saying that Super Mario 3D World sold very, very, well compared to how many people own a WiiU? I think the game looks lovely with some inventive ideas. I'm just disputing that it is quite the full 3D that Mario 64 was. Instead, you launched a full out defensive as if I am the enemy. It feels insular of you. I'm engaging with how I see the game- at least it's on my radar. If only it was on more people's then the console might have sold more than it has.
@Picnic: People are hitting the disagree because they disagree with your assertion that Mario 3D World isn't a full 3D Mario game. That isn't hating, or treating you as an enemy. It's exactly what the word "disagree" means: disagreeing. 3D World isn't less of a major 3D Mario game just because it uses the concept of running to the flag before time runs out, if that's what you're getting at. In terms of content, and production values, it's comparable with the Mario Galaxy games. 3D World remains one of the most spectacular looking games on Wii U, and that's not just because of the cartoony graphics. It has great character modeling, it has superb textures and beautiful animations, its environments are rich and detailed and the game runs at a locked 60 fps even on its most hectic scenarios. And on top of all that, it is just as fun to play alone as it is with other players, striking a balance that's quite hard to get on these kind of games (usually, fun multiplayer games are boring when played solo, not the case here). Look at these screens (actual gameplay screens) and tell me it doesn't look amazing: http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Vjf--... https://sickr.files.wordpre... http://images.eurogamer.net... https://sobreloqueopinar.fi... Lastly, your point about sales is completely irrelevant. New Super Mario Bros Wii sold more than any game you can probably think of, but it doesn't make it a "bigger" game than others that sold less. Sales data has nothing to do here. And it doesn't matter anyway, because 3D World sold more than 4 million units, which is a quite impressive number in itself, made only more impressive when you consider the Wii U only has a install base of 10 million users. A 40% attach rate is crazy high, very few games manage this on any platform.
'And it doesn't matter anyway, because 3D World sold more than 4 million units, which is a quite impressive number in itself, made only more impressive when you consider the Wii U only has a install base of 10 million users. A 40% attach rate is crazy high, very few games manage this on any platform' All of which I already chose to say myself right from the very start. But 40% of 10 million is still the same number as 5% of the 80 million minimum consoles that PS4 can expect to sell. It's great success for the game but within a relatively niche number of buyers.
@Picnic I think you do have a bit of a point. While I don't agree that Mario 3D World isn't one of the major Mario games that could've aided the console, it is, really, a completely different type of experience from Mario 64, Sunshine, Galaxy and Galaxy 2. It plays a lot more like a 2D Mario game in a 3D perspective. So you definitely have a point in that line of thinking, and I think a lot of people are misinterpreting what you've said and are getting defensive, to boot. If you meant, "A 3D Mario game like 64, Sunshine, etc." then you're absolutely correct: The Wii U doesn't have a new one of those yet. I absolutely adored 3D World and it's among my favorite Mario games ever (in my top 5, along with 3, World, 64 and RPG, and I don't care that some people don't count RPG lol), but it's nothing like the star-searching 3D Marios- which may have been why I found it refreshing and great, lol.
Presently, Nintendo doesn't need saving. But I do agree that their next home console better not be significantly underpowered compared to whatever Sony and Microsoft comes up with next. I thinking along the lines of the GameCube.
Why must people always say Nintendo might go the way of Sega that's not going to happen Sega only had 1 truly successful console which was the genesis Nintendo on the other hand made profit off of the NES SNES N64 GameCube Wii and they are making profit off the Wii u now Sega had the gamegear which was a failure Nintendo has been nothing but successful in the handheld department plus Sega didn't have amiibo either the only truly unsuccessful thing Nintendo had was the virtual boy granted yes Wii u is not selling well but Nintendo is still making money from it go look at Sega console sales and you can see they were never really successful so the saying Nintendo is going the way of Sega is stupid and never going to happen
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